Lost Soul

PM'd you to buy Roger Hatcher and Steinways, Thanks Jools

PM'd you for this one, La Shell & Shelletts - You better check yourself - Eagle 101 M- £20 Thanks Jools

Sean bought the Ivories on Wand

agreed - PURE QUALITY!

unless I'm reading you wrong "unless I'm reading you wrong" Yes you are! I'm not trying to say you (or anyone for that matter) doesn't have a right to post comments, as you rightly point out its an open forum about soul music, so of course you have the right. I was merely pointing out that people should not post in the events look-backs with opinions of events that they had clearly not been to. i.e. If you went to an event and loved or hated it by all means comment, you went, paid your money and spent your time there, so you have earned the right to comment and voice your opinions - good, bad, or indifferent. However if you were not even at the event, how can you comment on happenings, music played, atmosphere, and so on....

Sadly there is another type of 'soulie' we've not mentioned yet... The guys who don't go to any soul nights, don't go to any all-nighters, all-dayers., weekenders, etc... They just sit in front of their computer screen, yet have an opinion on every venue and soul issue out there.... I was once at Prestatyn a few years back, and unfortunately there was a little bit of trouble, not much to mention and it was cleared up and sorted out within minutes. However there were people sat at home on their computers telling a completely different story and expanding and exaggerating on what had actually happened, as if they were there and witnessing the events first hand! Clearly not the case as the times of their posts proved. I even got a phone call telling me what had gone on from 150 miles away, just minutes after the incident. All blown up out of all proportion, (I know as the incident happened right in front of me). it would be laughable if not so sad. I've known people who don't go to venues, even asking for set lists of what certain DJ's have played (in the look-backs). If you want to know what's been (or currently being) played, get of your arses and visit and support the venues in question... hard to label this soul animal 'spare bedroom soulie' might fit the bill??

Great Point Kev! I thought I had it all covered. lol. I DJ at soul nights most weekends, which sadly leaves me not doing as many nighters as I'd like to these days. When I do go to Nighters though, I find the music very refreshing (for me anyway). I think after going out to soul nights every Fri/Sat for years on end, you get conditioned to 'soul night' music. Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking club soul here by any stretch of the imagination, just well,, 'tame and safe' (as some may describe). So when I hit a nighter every now and then it usually blows be away musically. (and I nearly always come away with another record or two on my wants list)!! Musically, Its sometimes as different as chalk and cheese. Although if you play nighter sounds at soul nights they tend to 'bomb out' dance floor wise anyway, as the regular soul night goers are not used to nighter sounds, and the people who love the nighter sounds are usually at a nighter anyway (not a soul night). I think you are quite right, yet again a completely different 'type of soulie'. dare I say a little more of a 'purist'.. I find the music policy at nighters sort of governs itself anyway, (I can't imagine any respected nighter DJ's coming on here asking what records they dare play, or what they could get away with (referring to opening topic here). So many different aspects considered, all under the Northern Soul umbrella.....

It's a clear-cut thing as far as I can see! - It's all about what the punters in that venue want. Its not about what the DJ wants to play (either for himself or to impress his couple of mates stroking their chins in the corner) - IMHO too many DJ's forget this! (Some of the records I play in my spots do absolutely nothing for me personally, but they have either been requested, or I know that they will go down well on the night, but I'm not playing them for myself, and I'm not ashamed to play them for the people who love those records) it's all part of the job (and there are certain aspects in any job that we don't like, but we get on with it). After all, when you accept a gig DJ-ing at an established venue, with an estabished music policy (oldies or otherwise) its your job to keep the paying punters happy, and make judgments on what will go down well, as you go along. If you don't like (or are too embarrassed) playing oldies then why would you accept a gig at an oldies venue in the first place??? If the punters are looking forward to a night of dancing and reminiscing to oldies, then why disappoint them by playing underplayed/rare records or alternative versions that mean nothing to them? (after all if they wanted to hear rare or underplayed stuff they would go to a venue that catered for that particular taste in soul music). by the same token, If they wanted to hear modern soul they would go to a modern night. Simples! People often ask me, 'What are you going to play this Friday (or Saturday) night then' ? etc... My stock answer is - 'I don't know, and I won't know until I'm in the venue' When I arrive at a venue that I'm DJ-ing at, I look at what sort of crowd is in the venue and the dance floor reaction to what is being played. (reading the dancefloor) it's not rocket science to weigh up whats going down well, and whats bombing out. I know certain DJ's who sort their records out and create a set list at home, before they even venture out of the house! Unless you have a crystal ball, you don't know (A) whats going to be played already out of your selected records by the previous DJ's before your spot has even started, and (B) How can you judge the reaction and atmosphere of an event before its even started. I find there are two main types of active soulies on the scene. Those that go out every Friday and Saturday night, (and grab as many Sunday sessions/weekenders as they can). If you fall under this category you will obviously get tired of hearing the same 200 overplayed oldies that have become a predicted soundtrack to your nights out. These people are more 'accepting' (I don't like the word progressive used to describe soul music) and crave to hear something fresh and different, or at least something they haven't heard played out in the last 12 months or more.... (their main complaints, they are sick of listening to the same records week in week out - Play something different). They obviously hear the records more, because they go out more.... The other type of Soulie Goes out once or twice a month, Loves to hear the familiar oldies they know so well. These are the guys and girls that want to hear Oldies and Well-Knowns. The records they know so well bring memories flooding back from the best and happiest times of there lives, (times without mortgage's, bills to pay, the stress that comes with age and responsibility). They can dance to a record and know every word and every beat. They are only going out once a month or so, consequently when they do go out they expect to hear these same records, (as once a month is not overplayed to them). They are not interested if a well known DJ has just discovered a rare unknown track in Detroit last week! As this has no baring on what Northern Soul is to them, and holds no memories. They want to reminisce their times at the casino etc... (their main complaints... The music has been rubbish, we only knew about 3 records in the last hour - Play something we know - i.e. oldies). Mixing the 2 categories above is the key, (especially at an 'Across The Board' soul night). Going back to the main topic though, I'm still a firm believer that if you accept and agree to play a spot at an Oldies venue, then you should be playing Oldies, end of.. and don't over-think it. They are not expecting to hear different rare or alternative versions of tracks. so go with the flow and make 'em happy...... By the way, my fav oldie? Chuck Wood - Seven Days Is Too Long (bought 35 years ago - still love it to this day - and not ashamed to say so) All The Best Jools

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Looks like it's been to war. The Words 'Mint Minus' spring to mind - NOT

There was once a 'wants' ad in Record Collector. A Guy wanted a copy of Bobby Goldsboro's 'Honey' (A simple UK chart single from the late 70's, nothing rare at all). He said in his advert, that he would pay up to £50.00 for the record (it was basically a £1.50 record). Why don't you read and quote the full post BEFORE you reply! - Then you would understand the man was not 'deranged' His wife had just died, it was there favorite song, and he wanted the record to play at her funeral! So he placed a want's ad in record collector saying he would pay up to £50 for the record. it's all there in my original post!

The records you mention in the list above are small change! The one below is worth your entire list added together many times over! The most expensive record ever sold (to my knowledge) is the infamous copy of the 'Double Fantasy' LP by John Lennon. The record was signed by John Lennon at 1 west, 72nd st, (The Dakota), New York, on the 8th December 1980. The LP was signed for Mark David Chapman (the security Guard, who then murdered Lennon, shortly after the record was signed). The record sold at auction for a cool $850.000 (over three quarters of a million!). The album John Lennon autographed for his killer Mark David Chapman on the day he was murdered is up for sale. The current owner has decided to sell the signed Double Fantasy record for a staggering $850,000 (£567,000) after receiving death threats since purchasing the LP ... (who said that owning your ultimate collectable 'grail' record could make you happy). Incidentally, (from your list) - I had the record below in my 'record fair' days in the mid 1980's. 13: John's Children – A Midsummer Night's Scene/Sara Crazy Child (1967 UK Track 604005 7'' 45rpm, £5,000) Withdrawn 45 from Marc Bolan's stint with John's Children is a grail for both psych- and Bolan-collectros. I'd had it listed in Record Collector Magazine on numerous occasions, with no offers, or interest at all. It was on my wall display stand for a couple of years, travelling every Saturday and Sunday to record fairs thoughout the UK with very little interest, (other than people asking) "is that really the price for that record" etc.... I ended up selling it at the Griffin Hotel Record Fair in Leeds (on a very quiet cold Sunday) for £125 quid and 4 copies of David Bowie's Ashes To Ashes (with the individual sets of stamps, that were worth about £20 each at the time). The record sold to a T-Rex collector, that also came from Leeds and had written many articles on Bolan/T-Rex for Record Collector Magazine, fan club stuff, etc... (my copy also had the 'Factory Sample' stamp on the label). If we only had ebay then eh? It just goes to show, that ANY item is worth no more, or no less, than what someone is prepared to pay for it, at that given time. A quick little story for you (to substantiate the worth/value of records)... There was once a 'wants' ad in Record Collector. A Guy wanted a copy of Bobby Goldsboro's 'Honey' (A simple UK chart single from the late 70's, nothing rare at all). He said in his advert, that he would pay up to £50.00 for the record (it was basically a £1.50 record). In the coming months people started advertising the Bobby Goldsboro disc for £50 (as they had seen, and word had got round, that someone had advertised for the record at the said price, and they had assumed that £50 had to be it's current value right? - WRONG). It turned out that the guy's wife had just died, and he knew nothing about records or thier values, he just wanted a copy desperately to play at his wife's funeral. (obviously after losing his wife, the record had such a sentimental value to him that £50 was neither here or there). He probably walked in to WH Smith's and asked for the record, was told it was deleted and no longer available, and most likely the sales assistant had pointed him to the magazine stand, and told him that record collector was his best bet. However, this does not, or never will mean the record is worth £50. (it was still only a £1.50 record). It was only ever worth £50 to ONE person at that particular time in his life, and once he had a copy, the record was only worth what any other ex-chart record was worth at that time (£1 - £1.50) Unless someone else wanted it so desperately, and didn't have a clue where to buy second hand records... Well that's my 2p's worth. Take Care all (I did some great dance moves at the weekend, sadly on the ice outside, not the dance floor) . Be careful... Jools