Garethx

I think the dj copy with just the ballad might be quite rare. Most seem to have both sides.

I look forward to it.

One thing to bear in mind with this record is that the absolutely brilliant deep flip, Why Did Our Love Go, came out on double sided deejay copies (i.e. without Why Would You Blow It). If anyone has one of those for sale I would be very interested in buying it. Sold WWYBI when it started to become in-demand, but still really miss the flip.

What's the Tommy Tate on ABC Paramount like Steve? One I've seen on discographies for years and on the odd playlist of yours in recent times. It's certainly very elusive.

£100.

Thing I always go back to with regard to Frederick Hymes III is John Anderson telling me at Cleethorpes the year Butch, Arthur etc. strarted playing it and copies turned up for sale: "don't touch them with a bargepole, they're all re-presses" I have seen two distinct presses of this record: enough to feel like an epiphany when I saw the copy which was different to the one I first saw. I remember ringing my brother at some un-godly hour to tell him that i'd seen an original Frederick Hymes. It belonged to a well-known deejay and would have cost him a right few quid. It was incontravertably different to the copies friends had bought from various sources from top dollar-down. If John Manship has empirically tested two copies to see if they're the same I can only come to the conclusion that he tested two originals against each other or two re-presses. There's been a huge wall of dis-information about this record, moreso than any other I can think of in the recent past: shouldn't that set alarm bells ringing? I don't want to be a scaremonger but I suspect most people have been saddled with the repress of the record. They can dress it up any way they want to, but this is a scam record.

The Sensations "Demanding Man" is from 1969-70, predating Jesse Fisher by a couple of years. The c.1966 date on the label refers to the date of incorporation of the label, rather than the year of release of this particular 45. The Way Out label is a bit of a minefield for a full and sequential discography, with different numbering sequences, label designs, distribution from MGM etc.

Mel Brat stated that during the record's first period of popularity at the Mecca the standard copy was the multi-coloured one. He didn't remember seeing a red and white until some years later by which time the Jesse Fisher 45 was very much an oldie. Of course that doesn't mean that the multicoloured was definitively released first, but it's worth bearing in mind that there is at least anecdotal evidence of that being the case.

Hi Russ sorry if my post comes across a bit aggressively, that wasn't my intention (lesson: never post late on Friday!). One of the good things about forums like this is that we can delve deeper into the various theories that have grown up about particular records and have been handed down on tablets of stone over the years. The Ohio guy, George, said that the different copies were pressed at Boddie in Cleveland, and either ARP or Archer in Michigan. The Boddie numbering system used the master date as part of its maxtrix numbering system. I don't have copies of either release at the moment to check, but if someone could post the matrices on the respective copies it might be possible to determine release dates for the two editions.

What do you base the 'two years after' supposition on? Have you got any concrete information about the respective dates of the two releases? An expert on Ohio recordings has told us on here before that this theory is pure speculation. The different presses are simply from different plants. My preference will always be for the multicoloured press as the sound reproduction is a bit better than on the red and white label copies.

Yes Gene, the same people were behind Patience by Rokk.

That's a completely different Don Thomas (even the spelling is different, Donn as opposed to Don.) I'd be interested in a nice copy of Calling Me Home if anyone has one for sale.

They should clean their scanner.

A shame in a way that this brilliant record has been 'de-rarified' by a haul in California a few years ago. Great that it's fairly readily available, but this is a situation which often leads to collectors becoming blase about the music in the grooves, and perversely lessens the chances of hearing it played in clubs. To me this is one of the greatest uptempo female 70s soul records featuring phenomenal performances by all those involved.

Last week there was one in a glass cabinet at Record & Tape Exchange in London for £45.

Jessie Butler has now been sold. Apologies to all those who made offers for the record, but the fairest way was to sell it to the first person who got in touch.

FOR SALE: THE METROS SWEETEST ONE US RCA VICTOR LSP-3776 STEREO M-(COVER)/M-(VINYL) £65 Beautiful copy of this great Pied Piper produced album: cellophane only recently removed; both sleeve and record in pristine condition. Contains the classic Since I Found My Baby, I'll Never Forget You and the great Egyptian Love. FREDDIE SCOTT LONELY MAN US COLUMBIA CL9460 STEREO VG+(COVER)/VG++(VINYL) £55 Underrated album form this great singer, in great overall shape. Reverse of cover has small sticker residue and small, neat biro; front cover is spotless. Vinyl looks to have been played only a couple of times, but has no marks or play scratches. If you like sophisticated big-voiced NYC soul this is a terrific album from one of the masters of the genre, with beautiful arrangements from Garry Sherman and great songwriting from Clyde Otis, Van McCoy, Belford Hendricks and Scott himself. Don't know if any of this was issued on singles, but I'll Try Again is a potentially wonderful ender. GLASS HOUSE INSIDE THE GLASS HOUSE US INVICTUS ST-3705 STEREO VG++ w/cutout (COVER)/M-(VINYL) £40 Quite tough-to-find first album from the Invictus group. Interesting and varied early 70s soul all the way from Ty Hunter, Pearl Jones, Scherrie Payne and Larry Mitchell. GLASS HOUSE THANKS, I NEEDED THAT US INVICTUS ST-9810 STERO VG++ w/cutout (COVER)/M-(VINYL) £50 The second Glass House long player. More of the same really, but with the bonus of the great midtempo stepper I Don't See Me In Your Eyes Any More, which is identical to the Ty Hunter 45 of the song. Postage will depend on buyer's location. I accept Paypal (fees additional), cashiers cheques, bank transfers. TIA for any interest, gareth

Hi Sean Interesting news about the new venue. Should be quality. Regarding "Runaway": where would I have heard that before? When the record was auctioned I played the soundclip and instantly remembered the song, if not that mix of it. Was it on the Chris Wells tape of out-takes from The Poet and Poet II sessions? I have a dim memory of some of these making it onto a radio show in the 80s: could have been Robbie Vincent on Radio 1 or Bob Jones on one of the pirates he used to deejay on. Anyone else have a similar memory of that particular track?

That's looks like a more recent boot that I didn't know about when I made reference to the Sagittarius thing, so thanks for pointing it out. The Coral boot looks pretty lame and you'd have to be pretty unlucky to end up with one sold as an original.

You've put this in Wants rather than Sales. Maybe that's why the second poster offered a copy for sale. Perhaps the moderators could move this to the correct section to avoid any more confusion.

Hi Dave "I've Given All My Love" is on the flip of the Sagittarius boot of "Pain Stain" rather than the real flips of either.

This was booted, but not on Coral. Think the boot is on a blue label called Sagittarius. What a stunning series of records Patti Austin released on Coral. Almost every side is at least good and the best tracks absolutely brilliant: all essential purchases for anyone with an interest in 60s soul I reckon.

Don't think the LJH Soul Shack 45 is anything like as rare as some of the 45s mentioned here. I'm sure it's the kind of thing Soul Bowl would have had in at least a small quantity at one time.

In my opinion no reading of this song matches the keening purity of Dan Penn's original, but I love Marvin & Tammi's version from their "Easy" album too, where it's given a slick midtempo dance treatment. James & Bobby Purify cut this a couple of times: the version which was a UK Chart hit in the early 70s was by James with a different "Bobby" I seem to recall.

The black label copies are reissues/boots. The original demo is white with black type. The original issue is off-white with a red International Soulsville logo and credits in black type. Pretty rare in either original format. Hope this helps.