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Every single one I think Kev.

This was also released outside Chicago on Ra-Bra. Have a spare of that if you're interested.

Dana Valery was recorded in New York. The bass player is probably the record's arranger Charlie Calello.

Maybe you should amend your list to reflect what you're still looking for.

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Think we've been through this before but if I recall the Uptown Ambassadors were a different group from Cleveland.

Her Arctic sides are a mixture of Philly and Miami productions. Listening to the track in question again I wonder if it's not from the first session (which yielded the first single Don't Make The Good Girls Go Bad) which is arranged by Clarence Reid but in Philadelphia as opposed to his usual Miami base. Apparently Steve Alaimo was unwilling to record the song on Della for his group of labels, thinking it was too close to Betty Wright's recent "Girls Can't Do What The Boys Do", so Clarence Reid did the deal with Arctic and went to Philadelphia to record. Listening to Wait Until Dark again it is almost certainly the same drummer, so I take back my first post.

I'd say it's unlikely to be the same drummer. Most probably Earl Young on the Ambassadors but the Della Humphrey is a leased in Miami production.

^ Spot on.

I think there's a problem with the plates used to press this 45. I've had two mint copies which both had the same marks in the last minute causing heavy clicks.

Also the final carriers on the UK side are private contractors, not experienced Royal Mail operatives. I would not trust one of these contractors with a valuable record. On other stuff I buy from ebay I don't have any great objections to the GSP as it has cut the time spent getting items out of customs, but for records I would give it a wide berth for all the reasons outlined above.

Am I alone in finding this record second-rate? If it wasn't for the accident of its rarity it would surely have been consigned to the league of so-so 70s records.

Those two clips directly above are identical versions. Only two different versions across 4 single releases. Federal 12545 King 6124 King 6158 are all exactly the same version, with master number F-921 King 6202 has a King master number and is the re-recorded version with completely different vocal, arrangement and band take.

King 6158 is the same as Federal. Only 6202 (with What Do I Have To Do on the flip) has a "K" master number. The others are all F-921 master number.

The US sounds fine. Any problems with the UK?

Cheers for that Dave. Still be interested to know if the versions of "Sugar Baby" are identical. Same timing on the Hart and Holland 45s, which suggests at least the same band track.

Is Jimmy Hart's "Sugar Baby" the exact same recording as Jimmy Holland's on Syco? Are they the same artist? Both Andre Williams productions and the Holland and Hart Blue Rock/Mercury recordings have consecutive master numbers.

Way Out records is a fascinating label and deserves its own thread. Then more stuff about the label, its studio and its backers and distributors can find a home where it can breathe. All the important information about the Jesse Fisher 45 is contained in this one.

It was initially involved in the discussion in error.

Some members have asked for clarity on this particular topic. The information about Boddie pressing is not germane to this release as it is not a Boddie pressing.

Neither of these Jesse Fishers were pressed at Boddie. They were pressed at ARP. The label copy is ARP and they are both stamped as such. Owners of both releases have confirmed they have ARP stamps. What makes you think they are Boddie presses?

Simple Chalky: The easiest way to tell is the title. "YOUR NOT LOVING A BEGINNER" matrix W104A. The "muffled" one. Available on all Magenta/Yellow labelled copies, but also on some Red/White labelled copies. "YOU'RE NOT LOVING A BEGINNER" matrix W104A3. The one with too much top end in the mix. Only on the remainder of the Red/White labelled stock. I'd say both these were pressed at ARP and the information above about the Boddie pressing plant is a red herring. Some later Way Out releases may have been pressed there and at Rite Pressing, but those look really different. As to which is the best version I'd say opinion is split down the middle. Personally I think the "muffled" one is musically superior and I can live with the muddiness of the mix. Others I'm sure will disagree with me and are free to do so!

Bear in mind Kev that both versions are available on red and white.

Cheers Ted. Confirms what I remembered of it.

I have a feeling that the "Your Not Loving A Beginner" version (both red/white & magenta/yellow labels) was pressed at ARP in Michigan: the typesetting is very distinctive. I no longer have any copies of this 45, but it would be good if anyone who does have one could check. Their stamp was "ARP" in italic script. The plant burned down in 1972. I suspect the Boddie copies were pressed after this.