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Little Beaver's version of "Do It To Me" is pretty expensive (relatively rare and in-demand): could have been that version played in a rare soul set. The Joey Gilmore on Phil L.A. of Soul was quite a big-selling record in some regional markets. I like both versions for different reasons, Gilmore's is quite cool, Beaver's is like a punch in the stomach.

As ever George you've provided fascinating information. Many thanks.

I understand it's CD or MP3 only Dylan!

Thanks for the tip Sean: sounds right up my street. I love his music at it's bluesiest from things like his own "Joey" on Cat to his playing on records such as Gwen McCrae's "I'm Losing The Feeling." Interesting how his career was interlinked with Joey Gillmore's: they were both featured guitarists and vocalists with Frank Williams' Rocketeers and, as the thread shows, often recorded many of the same songs. Thinking about it again it gives an interesting twist to the love triangle lyrics of "Joey".

Hi Sebastian Sean was talking about a LB version of "Somebody Done Took My Baby And Gone."

Wow. I didn't know Beaver did this too. What label? I love most of the Saadia sides: both Joey and the Beaver's version of Blind Man are brilliant deep records and (although it may be sacrilege) I actually prefer them to Bobby Bland!

Both sides are great, but Little Beaver's original of "Do It To Me One More Time" aces Joey's: scorching Miami soul.

The Phil L.A. issue has appreciably better sound quality than the Saadia one.

The b-side of the Charley Wynn 45 is a truly excellent deep record. A tough 45 which rarely comes up for sale.

Unfortunate thing about the 45 is the quality of the pressing: each I've heard is noisy and the music is muffled. The album is a good bit harder to find than the single, but sound quality is much better. A lovely record.

Very helpful Chalky. Much appreciated.

Philippe Wynne wasn't even in The Spinners when "Sweet Thing" was recorded. You talk about facts and research yet can't even get that right.

Adding to the cake is the fact that Dade 2025 is occupied by two records: the aforementioned JBH super-rarity and the Atlantic-distributed white demo of Benny Latimore's "I'll Be Good To You". I've never seen a blue issue of that particular record as the issues all appear to be Dade 2026 with the newer, hand-drawn logo (as per JBH) and no mention of Atlantic distribution. I'm guessing it is the factor of the clashing numbers which explains the extreme rarity of "I Can't Speak."

Hi Baz and Jaco The confusion over Jimmie Bo Horn is that the record has two numbers: D-235 opposite the publishing credit and (2025) under the 'Produced by Brad Shapiro & Steve Alaimo" credit. The four figure number as opposed to the D number is its designation in the Dade series.

The Abet version os basically the same but about thirty seconds longer.

It's on the Modern label. Should be around £80-100. Issues are quite rare. A superb record.

"Love To Hate" by Freddie North (the Abet version rather than the Mankind one) is an absolutely fantastic soul record and will have it's day!

A perfect case of one man's meat being another's poison. The Tim Brown column has been the only thing vaguely worth reading in Manifesto for some years. He has opinions but crucially he can write and is generally entertaining. The records he reviews are always at least interesting. Regarding factual inaccuracies pertaining to the Australian soul scene in Tim's copy I think that's the bailiwick of that publication's letters page really, rather than a public forum where TB is not here to defend himself.

Ian Levine is a wonderful human being. Please buy his tremendous, value for money records. You won't live to regret it!

The issue is far, far rarer and would be an auction item: I've seen hundreds of promo copies and one issue in the flesh. Tough thing about this 45 on a demo is getting a clean copy: a lot of them are worn and have differing degrees of label wear/WOL/SOL/damp etc. A minter would be at a price premium anyway.

Demo is far more common than the issue.

At school I was taught by a bloke who consistently claimed he marked our homework by throwing the essays down his staircase at home. Whichever step the paper landed on corresponded to a grade. I suspect some ebay sellers have followed his patented approach when grading their 45s.

A bit of a grey area, but I think label owner Eugene Davis was instrumental in putting the record out, so it's a legitimate first issue. As you mention above it was during this time that Mr. Davis sent Guy Hennigan the two fabled copies of Joseph Webster on Crow: I think he played it through at home only once, decided it was crap and and eventually sold both copies for £2.00 each. I'm sure Guy won't mind me mentioning this but many years later at Lifeline in Dewsbury we were sat talking in the record bar. Butch was on in the hall and played a record which Guy thought was phenomenal and asked me if I knew it's identity. It was, of course, Joseph Webster on Crow!