Garethx

Not really valuable as such, just good. One of the 1960s Hi titles where you tend to see just as many demos as issues, so I'd value it at no more than fifteen quid 'dealer price'. In the world of ebay etc. it should be possible to pick it up even cheaper than that.

I'd love the Tony Ashley from a collector's point of view but I think Don Bryant's is the better record. Bryant's timing is that bit better, and although Ashley is a fine singer in his own right Don Bryant gets more emotion out of the song. That's what I meant in saying that sometimes the writer can get that indefinable bit more from his own song.

Maybe a Decca demo of one of his other 45s, which are both reasonably common, but very good. This one is in a different league in terms of availability.

Bizarrely enough I heard Tony Ashley's version before Don Bryant's original and was simply knocked out by the Hi record. Sometimes a writer's version of their own song has that bit extra. Both are great though and in an ideal world it would be nice to own a copy of each. I would love to hear a longer version of Don Bryant's cut as, at under two minutes, it always leaves me wanting more.

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390130686399&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:GB:1123#ht_500wt_952 Over $1000 dollars. A great record which I've personally never seen for sale before. Anyone on the forum got one or had one in the past?

Not really a case of first or second issues, just regionally pressed differences. Vinyl copy is a red label with black type. Styrene copy (for the west coast?) has an orange label with white logo and credits in black type.

Simon I don't think Guy ever considered JW good enough to play out, but he did handle the original couple of copies. First spins were probably at Thorne by Pete Shirley and Rod Dearlove a few years later.

Hi Andy the scratching out on the matrix sounds like it might be significant, so thanks for the info. take care, gareth

A completely different song. Credit on the Running Water album is 'Reid-Nesmith'.

I've never actually heard it! He's usually a fantastic vocalist, practically an alltime great with tremendous power and a great falsetto shriek which is very distinctive. A quick google search reveals that Ady Pountain played it at Thorne in recent months.

I'd say the price is right for "Just Ask The Lonely". A rare record.

Hi chaps. I think the point of the two Polydor issues of 14176 is that most feature a version of Ollie Nightingale's "I Gave Her Everything That She Needed" a dead slow ballad, mis-credited as "It's Too Late". Some copies feature the real "Is It Too Late" a completely different midtempo song featured in the soundclip at the link above. I would imagine the latter is an extremely rare record which would be very difficult to price. Double sided issues of the two ballads are reasonably difficult to find in their own right. Anomalies like this on major labels are fascinating. I had certainly never heard of it until John Ridley updated his article on Pep Brown. I wonder if anyone on here has this particular issue and if there are any visual clues in the deadwax which might distinguish the two issues other than actually playing them. For what it's worth I don't think the guitar part ruins the record, which is extremely good to my ears. It's great to hear his voice on anything, so this find is a real treat.

A solid 100 quid.

George Sharp.

Pyramid was Tim Ashibende to Dave Thorley wasn't it?

Who was first to think of George Pepp on Coleman as a potential Northern Monster?

I think Gail Nevels is the better version for home consumption. As a dance record in a club the Carol Anderson has more appeal.

To be honest Pete I had to check a copy of Nine Times. I'm generally fairly interested in the credits on records but even I had never really given much thought to who was behind the song.

Just played them one after the other and to be honest neither are brilliant pressings. George is correct in stating that the track width is slightly wider on the multi-coloured copy and is slightly louder. Both suffer from what I can only describe as cloudiness. One channel of the multi-coloured copy I have has pronounced distortion during the louder/higher notes. I think the theory about the coloured stock coming over here en-masse is probably right. Several people who bought the record in the UK in the mid 70s have stated on here that they didn't see the red and white copy until relatively recently. A shame that the master transfer is so poor on the record as in my opinion it's one of the greatest tracks ever played on the Northern scene. It has everything really: committed vocal, fantastic song, breaks, drama, the lot really.

Yes. the same guy. The vocal on the "More Beautiful Than Life" is noticeably the same singer as on "For Real". Lately I've been interested in a few of these "black soft rock" type records. I realise they're not to everyone's taste but I think "Tomorrow" is a beautifully crafted record with an identity all of its own. The key change into the saxophone solo is great.

I think Flip-Dip is a great record.

He wrote and produced "Nine Times" Pete, among many other of the Moments greatest, er, moments. Don't think he was ever actually in any incarnation of the group itself, but their history is long and quite tangled. Time has shown that the business practices of Joe and Sylvia Robinson at All Platinum were sometimes quite creative (to say the least), so I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that he may have actually sung on some of the Moments tracks. I've never heard any of Tommy Keith's Vibration material, but if it is him on the Wand 45 he had a more than competent voice. I really love "Not Now But Later", the midtempo side on Wand and was gobsmacked when told how rare it actually is. On a side note I'd be really grateful if someone could post the long-deleted Moments CD-only track "Sleep Won't Come" in refosoul. I'm sure it's just relative unfamiliarity which has held this track back from being a total monster on the allnighter scene. As far as feel-good 70s dancers with instant hooks go it's of the same calibre as classics such as "Nine Times": a magnificent record basically.

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Again you bring up Motown and Mirwood. Irrelevant. If people like Shrine records and wish to buy them please let them. Essentially telling them to concentrate on something else entirely smacks of the sanctimonious condescension you've bought to practically each and every one of your forum posts.

If anyone's interested in quality ballads and doesn't have it I recommend the Dan Brantley at that price as a steal. Tremendous record and dead hard these days.