Roger Williams

It's all good mate, most of us know that. Have you heard the new Jazzanova record? https://www.juno.co.uk/ppps/products/328496-01.htm I reckon you'll like it, and it's on a seven. Roger

He's certainly demolished this one!!! JOKE!!!! Sorry Paul, it's just the usual scenario of words on a screen and a too quick response and all that. Roger

I like the new pastiche designs, I've done a few for Expansion over the years and I think the idea of doing them should be looked on as complimentary, rather than looked on as something derogatory. Got to agree on the typeface issue though (being a typographer I would do!), the choice of font can be all-important to the genuine look of these labels. Roger

Don't talk down to me Paul, there's a good lad. Roger

Ian, what you might want to realise that people clicking on a zshare link cross-posted on various forums doesn't necessarily equate to 530 people actually downloading the track to their computer because they think it's great and thereby creating a 'monster' sound - every single click on a link on that site registers as a 'download' - people more often than not will click on a link simply out of curiosity to hear it, as I did. I'm sure any member of this forum could upload any track along with massively excited hype along the lines of 'best undiscovered 60s northern soul dancer in history' attached to it in a lot of their forum posts and the 'downloads' would be in the hundreds in a short space of time, regardless of who posted it. But that said, ribbing aside and despite my own personal opinion on it, I wish you the very best of success with it mate, seriously. And regarding my top 500 for 2008, I'm not actually going to bother this year, because I've seen the light and now understand that the only worthwhile new releases are those that sound like they were made in the 1960s, I've been wrong all along and now bow down to those far superior to me. Roger

For the crime of raving about Gary Masterblaster I'd put Ian Dewhirst in prison, on Deaf Row.

I know.

Are you printing up some certificates for these venues to hang behind the decks? Or badges for OVO DJ's to wear? You could set up your own organisation, Steve, in the way we have to conform to ISO standards at work, and you could recruit OVO Inspectors to go round each venue on a quarterly basis and ask all the DJ's and promoters to fill in forms and problem/complaint reports and file them away to show to the OVO Inspectors when they do their rounds. Could be onto something here don't you think? Look out for stickers being printed up and put in the back window next to the OKEH stickers of cars with tenuous registration plates containing the letters OUL coming to a car park outside a venue near you. Roger

Here's a question: When did 'modern' soul only become relevant if it sounded like a 60s record?

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Well I am 50, Dave!!!! Names have never bothered me but strangely, people spelling my name with a 'd' in the middle does!!

Dave, I might not agree with it but I actually can relate to the whole OVO issue and understand that original releases are part of the scene's roots, especially in collecting terms, but sometimes on here I think people take it just a tad too far when they bandy around words like 'integrity' and 'honesty' and 'respect' etc. in terms of playing music at a venue, it all just seems so overblown and out of context to me. Soul music and the scene is a hobby, a leisure time pursuit, granted a passionate one for most of us, but does it really warrant people believing they have a better venue than others or they're a better DJ than others because they buy and play original releases of records? Fair enough, if original vinyl is your thing, fine, it actually is for me in terms of the LPs I've always collected, but why on earth make a list of OVO and "CR&P" venues in the first place, if not to do down and belittle the soul 'lower classes' or 'substandard venues' playing their music with no concern of format? At least that's the feeling I get from a lot of the posts in this thread. And how come people who run these 'ordinary' nights never start threads like this? Surely people would get more 'respect' if they just went about their scene business in the best way they can and consistently upheld their own views and beliefs, rather than coming on here worrying and moaning about what other people should and should be doing or playing? Roger

What has actually been the point of this thread in the first place? Why do the venues need listing? Don't people just go where they're going to go anyway, regardless? It's probably the most forum-led overblown issue there is. Or isn't as the case may be.

Why are you in dancingcollector's avatar?

I don't disagree with you, but when these people are dancing to these real gems for under 50 quid of yours, what do you think will be the uppermost thought in their mind . . . "Wow, I love this, this is a great record" or "I hope this is original vinyl he's playing or I'm going to walk off the dancefloor"? I'd hazard a guess at the former. Roger

As does spending a fortune on OVO to get and play the current big tunes. Taste, common sense and the ability to not worry about what others are doing can't be bought though, sadly.

Of course we get along Russ, that's not the issue mate, I know you're passionate and one of the good guys, it was just how your post read at face value. Roger

Quite possibly THE most ridiculously patronising and condescending and elitist post I've ever read on this forum. Not wanted to sound elist? "These people are unassuming and harmless"? "Speaking a different language"? "Dancing to ORDINARY club classics?" Bloody hell Russ, you couldn't have been anymore so if you tried mate!!!. I'm better at soul music than you lot!!!! Roger

Ahhh, but what if a new track is only released in download format Steve, as is happening a lot now? Do we simply not play it because it's not in original CD format?

I'd walk out in disgust and complain to the promoter if they weren't!!

It doesn't, that's why Seb - the concept of recording to carver or CDR is identical, a copy is a copy and in effect a carver is a vinyl CDR regardless how some might try and justify breaking their own self imposed laws to suit. A debate without end, that's for certain!!

How will you know if they have the original? Will they have to bring it along with them to prove it to the people who might ask about it?

Good to know this kind of meaningful debate still rages on in 2008 Steve.

You mean by starting a thread of this nature? :lol: :lol: