well one of the venues was free entry , the other was posted on here as a sell out turned out the owners of the venue allocated so many tickets to the promoters of the event and then sold the rest to who ever ,and then sold them on the door on the night ,. so don't think the greed of the promoter figures , venue owners definitely ,.
but then the owners of many venues insist on being able to sell tickets ,
the question for me is how can promoters police entry and who should be let in ,.