Do You Allow The Playing Of Boots At Your Venue

[mischief]

with all your rules and regulations we will eventually end up with people on the door checking to see if your freakin shirt is ironed befor you can come in

to right ... scruffy sods..

[Guest]

to right ... scruffy sods..

ok..... I've had a re-think and I'll go along with that one

[Guest outonthefloor]

Jeeeeeesus H Christ!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you anal retentives keep going the way you are going with all your rules and regulations we will eventually end up with people on the door checking to see if your freakin shirt is ironed befor you can come in

So are you saying the scene would be better if it didnt matter what format the music was played on or if people blayed boots (where the artists get nothing) cd's mp3's etc?

I think the scene is split in two. The little empire builders who wanna have their own nites where its 'instant soul collection' on whatever format they fancy, or the same underground vinyl scene I fell in love with where people spend years collecting and breaking records to play out for others to enjoy. Everyone has a right to enjoy their music their way. I choose the latter, this dont make me better or worse but the essence of any 'scene' is defined by boundaries otherwise we just become one homoginised mush! We dont have a uniform like some scenes all we have to distinguish us from the masses is our music, preserved on vinyl, to lift our hearts and make our feet dance. I for one do not undervalue that.

Helen

xxx

[Guest kid mohair]

It amazes me an old discussion like this can seem to go on for ever but the bottom line is if you DJ .....its with original vinyl only and every man and is dog should know that,if they dont then where the fook you been for the last 40 years.

[mischief]

So are you saying the scene would be better if it didnt matter what format the music was played on or if people blayed boots (where the artists get nothing) cd's mp3's etc?

Helen

xxx

Morning Helen..

I don't think the argument for royalties comes up here as all my vinyl is original..

I bought it all 2nd hand, so as far as me paying royalties to an artist goes .. sorry its nothing ..

if however I wanted to support the artists then I'd play Kent cd's 45's or LP's or even Motown CD's etc..

Then the artist would benefit from it...

I think the arguement is deeper than that.. and one we on here will never sort out..

however the unironed shirt police i'm in favor of...

[Guest kid mohair]

Slightly off topic here but i think sales cds is a cracking idea, just a great way in selling records, so they have a purpose,,,oh and of course for the car journey....

[Guest]

So are you saying the scene would be better if it didnt matter what format the music was played on or if people blayed boots (where the artists get nothing) cd's mp3's etc?

Nowhere did I say that the scene would be better for allowing any format Helen. What I said is that there are certain individuals who criticise events that they know they will never attend (whatever the format being played there). I may have that slightly wrong because the majority of the time events are not named, it seems more of a sweeping statement and they don't even know the events they are talking about; or put simply, talking for talkings sake

If they attended an event and then came on to complain about the format I could accept their views more readily.

n.b. the artist gets nothing if you play an orig

I think the scene is split in two. The little empire builders who wanna have their own nites where its 'instant soul collection' on whatever format they fancy, or the same underground vinyl scene I fell in love with where people spend years collecting and breaking records to play out for others to enjoy. Everyone has a right to enjoy their music their way. I choose the latter, this dont make me better or worse but the essence of any 'scene' is defined by boundaries otherwise we just become one homoginised mush! We dont have a uniform like some scenes all we have to distinguish us from the masses is our music, preserved on vinyl, to lift our hearts and make our feet dance. I for one do not undervalue that.

If we read the threads, the scene is split in more than two dress code / modern / oldies / crossover / souful house / R&B / even the age of people has been under scrutiny

There will always be local nights where the playing a mixture of orig/boots will do for some, and as you say - it is thier right to enjoy the night.

And, has been mentioned on a couple of other threads, some of these local DJ's play a certain record out - get good reactions from the crowd - it gets picked up by a bigger name DJ and they get the credit for 'breaking it' or 'reactivating'

Let's be realistic, I attended one event where a 'big name' DJ was playing. He played a full set of ORIG modern stuff that didnt even sound like the underground soul scene that I 'fell in love with' - it sounded to me like run of the mill stuff similar to what might be played in a local nightclub My choice is not to go where he is playing - but not to come on here and try and lambast others into avoiding the places he plays just because I don't agree with his music policy - that is for them to decide

mike x

Helen

xxx

[Guest kid mohair]

Surly everyone would agree with this ? if a venue as a dj playing boots then it must be stated on the flyer and not in small print, that way people can make up their own minds about attending...

Edited April 19, 2009 by kid mohair

[Guest Bearsy]

Surly everyone would agree with this ? if a venue as a dj playing boots then it must be stated on the flyer and not in small print, that way people can make up their own minds about attending...

[Guest]

Surly everyone would agree with this ? if a venue as a dj playing boots then it must be stated on the flyer and not in small print, that way people can make up their own minds about attending...

but where do we stop Andy ?

Perhaps some flyers could say, 'You will hear some sh*te that ain't even soul, but at least it will be played off orig format'.

[Guest Bearsy]

but where do we stop Andy ?

Perhaps some flyers could say, 'You will hear some sh*te that ain't even soul, but at least it will be played off orig format'.

Mike can you please keep to the ORIGINAL question please

Do YOU allow the playing of boots at your promotion, yes or no

[Guest kid mohair]

but where do we stop Andy ?

Perhaps some flyers could say, 'You will hear some sh*te that ain't even soul, but at least it will be played off orig format'.

Yea i agree there is loads of shite but at least its original shite. i think the original format is the most important one for me.

[Guest outonthefloor]

Morning Helen..

I don't think the argument for royalties comes up here as all my vinyl is original..

I bought it all 2nd hand, so as far as me paying royalties to an artist goes .. sorry its nothing ..

if however I wanted to support the artists then I'd play Kent cd's 45's or LP's or even Motown CD's etc..

Then the artist would benefit from it...

I think the arguement is deeper than that.. and one we on here will never sort out..

however the unironed shirt police i'm in favor of...

Hi Paul xx

Take your point re royalties Hope you are well xx

Mike,

Sorry Didnt know how to quote you as you wrote in my quote but yeah you make some good points. Not every Original vinyl record is good thats for sure.

I take your point about people just usuing it as an excuse to moan at places they dont attend but I for one try to comment on the music policy only on events I have attended even if I then decide not to return.

I dont think we are in disagreement Mike but I do think some of the boundaries of the scene are fundamental .......my shirt is always ironed lolol xxx

[Guest]

Mike can you please keep to the ORIGINAL question please

Do YOU allow the playing of boots at your promotion, yes or no

hi Paul.

I have only promoted a few events and that came about more by accident. I have never had the interest to promote however a nightclub owner contacted me and asked it I could put a night on. I didn't want the responsibility of putting on a soul nite but reluctanlty agreed.

the first event saw a capacity crowd of 160 people and it was a fantastic night. some DJ's played all orig, some played a mix of orig/boots. The dancefloor was heaving all night.

a second event there saw a similar turn-out. Orig only DJ's with others who mixed orig/boot. dancefloor heaving all night.

moved to a bigger venue with finacial backing from a 'proper' promoter (although they knew nothing about soul, they promote reggea / hip hop / drum & bass so most of work was down to me) fantastic turn-out again. 7 DJ's played - 6 all orig, 1 played mix of orig/boots. dancefloor was heaving all night.

last one i was involved in (with same finacial backer) was OVO. This decision came about from a chat between myself and one of the DJ's for the night regarding 'credibility' for future events. we had a similar turn-out as the previous nights. dancefloor was heaving all night.

I have no plans of putting on any more as I am a lazy git at heart and don't want the responsibility (but never say never )

So there ya go Paul, hope I've answered your original question - yes & no

regards,

mike

[Guest outonthefloor]

Surly everyone would agree with this ? if a venue as a dj playing boots then it must be stated on the flyer and not in small print, that way people can make up their own minds about attending...

All joking aside I think this is a great Idea. Who will be the first one to do it though and would ovo Dj's then not dj at the same dos?

Would there be a Northern Soul Court to decide the fate of the liars and decievers?

[mischief]

Or by putting OVO on your flyer could it bite you on the bum ..

normal punters who want to go out see there mates and dance pick up your flyer..

Oh look on there flyer it says OVO.. bet there all snobs and chin strokers.. i'm not going there!!!

[Supercorsa]

All joking aside I think this is a great Idea. Who will be the first one to do it though and would ovo Dj's then not dj at the same dos?

Would there be a Northern Soul Court to decide the fate of the liars and decievers?

If they admit to it, then they're not deceiving anyone.

Or by putting OVO on your flyer could it bite you on the bum ..

normal punters who want to go out see there mates and dance pick up your flyer..

Oh look on there flyer it says OVO.. bet there all snobs and chin strokers.. i'm not going there!!!

This is just confirming that there are two opposing factions.

I think most promoters (those that need to break even at least) want to attract the people that fall somewhere between the two.

[Guest outonthefloor]

Or by putting OVO on your flyer could it bite you on the bum ..

normal punters who want to go out see there mates and dance pick up your flyer..

Oh look on there flyer it says OVO.. bet there all snobs and chin strokers.. i'm not going there!!!

If they thought that Paul wouldnt that tell you summit anyway? Couldnt they just find a nice pub with a good jukebox then? And what is a 'normal' punter?

I'm quite an average punter I think n isnt it all about the music? my head hurts n Im confused now........I do know that more and more events are plauged with Pi**heads n people complaining of drink on the dancefloor. There were people takin the mickey out of my mate dancing at the 100 club a couple of weeks ago, my mate Rach got a drink thrown over her recently and more n more thefts happening.....it all has a knock on effect.

[Supercorsa]

I do know that more and more events are plauged with Pi**heads n people complaining of drink on the dancefloor. There were people takin the mickey out of my mate dancing at the 100 club a couple of weeks ago, my mate Rach got a drink thrown over her recently and more n more thefts happening.....it all has a knock on effect.

I think this is probably more of a deterent for attending someplaces nowadays than it ever used to be. I've read a few lookbacks in recent months that have influenced my thoughts on attending certain venues. Brink back membership schemes is what I say!

[mischief]

None of us on here are average punters..

lets be honest we may not admit it but we are the equivelent to them strange people who take train numbers down and sit at the end of the platform all day..

[Guest outonthefloor]

I think this is probably more of a deterent for attending someplaces nowadays than it ever used to be. I've read a few lookbacks in recent months that have influenced my thoughts on attending certain venues. Brink back membership schemes is what I say!

Hear Hear Ian,

Ive said that on nearly every thread Ive posted on .....but would you be a member of a club that didnt play OVO????? lololol

Edited April 19, 2009 by outonthefloor

[Guest Bearsy]

hi Paul.

I have only promoted a few events and that came about more by accident. I have never had the interest to promote however a nightclub owner contacted me and asked it I could put a night on. I didn't want the responsibility of putting on a soul nite but reluctanlty agreed.

the first event saw a capacity crowd of 160 people and it was a fantastic night. some DJ's played all orig, some played a mix of orig/boots. The dancefloor was heaving all night.

a second event there saw a similar turn-out. Orig only DJ's with others who mixed orig/boot. dancefloor heaving all night.

moved to a bigger venue with finacial backing from a 'proper' promoter (although they knew nothing about soul, they promote reggea / hip hop / drum & bass so most of work was down to me) fantastic turn-out again. 7 DJ's played - 6 all orig, 1 played mix of orig/boots. dancefloor was heaving all night.

last one i was involved in (with same finacial backer) was OVO. This decision came about from a chat between myself and one of the DJ's for the night regarding 'credibility' for future events. we had a similar turn-out as the previous nights. dancefloor was heaving all night.

I have no plans of putting on any more as I am a lazy git at heart and don't want the responsibility (but never say never )

So there ya go Paul, hope I've answered your original question - yes & no

regards,

mike

great answer Mike and hope your well and all is good for you matey

i personally think if a soulie is going to a venue and they just want to hear tunes to get them dancing and they couldnt give a monkeys about format then fine and i hope they have a great time, what about soulies who dare care about format if they are lead to believe the event is an OVO event and then boots gets played

if all venues was OVO then this debate would never exist and all the soul world would live in harmony for ever more and me and my unironed shirts could dance in peace

im seriously thinking of opening up a designer clothes shop and charging full price for snide clobber

and in my honest opinion the worst djs are the ones that play boots as they think they are the dogs bolox but they never change their sets and play the same overplayed rarer tunes (£5ers to them) that garuantee a packed floor at most venues

im bored

[Guest]

great answer Mike and hope your well and all is good for you matey

i personally think if a soulie is going to a venue and they just want to hear tunes to get them dancing and they couldnt give a monkeys about format then fine and i hope they have a great time, what about soulies who dare care about format if they are lead to believe the event is an OVO event and then boots gets played

if all venues was OVO then this debate would never exist and all the soul world would live in harmony for ever more and me and my unironed shirts could dance in peace

im seriously thinking of opening up a designer clothes shop and charging full price for snide clobber

and in my honest opinion the worst djs are the ones that play boots as they think they are the dogs bolox but they never change their sets and play the same overplayed rarer tunes (£5ers to them) that garuantee a packed floor at most venues

im bored

I hear what you are saying there Paul

On the other side of the coin, there are some that never change their sets and play the same overplayed rarer tunes off orig format - and it get's just as boring

p.s. yes, all good thanks hope all is well with you

Edited April 19, 2009 by mikecook

[Guest outonthefloor]

and in my honest opinion the worst djs are the ones that play boots as they think they are the dogs bolox but they never change their sets and play the same overplayed rarer tunes (£5ers to them) that garuantee a packed floor at most venues

im bored

Sooooo true xx

[Guest Bearsy]

I hear what you are saying there Paul

On the other side of the coin, there are some that never change their sets and play the same overplayed rarer tunes off orig format - and it get's just as boring

p.s. yes, all good thanks hope all is well with you

too true Mike too true

yes im fine thanks and trying to keep my sets fresh and slightly different each time with rarity and price a non factor without being to up me own arse but then ive always been into anal things

[Guest kev such]

Afternoon Bearsy.

No do not allow boots at the Cracker, however sometimes they may creep in without you knowing. They can be devilish little buggers. I dare say boots are played by people who have no imagination ragarding playing lesser known lower priced tunes and not accepting the notion that they may not get a standing ovation or full floor to every tune they play. Half the fun is playing a tune that you as a DJ feel passionate about, sticking with it even after the 5 or so times there is next to no reaction from the floor only to see it fill the floor one day or have someone ask you to play "that tune you played last time i saw you that i wanted to dance to but no-one else was but now a few more like it i think i'll dance to it"

See you next month mate.

Kev

[Guest Bearsy]

Afternoon Bearsy.

No do not allow boots at the Cracker, however sometimes they may creep in without you knowing. They can be devilish little buggers. I dare say boots are played by people who have no imagination ragarding playing lesser known lower priced tunes and not accepting the notion that they may not get a standing ovation or full floor to every tune they play. Half the fun is playing a tune that you as a DJ feel passionate about, sticking with it even after the 5 or so times there is next to no reaction from the floor only to see it fill the floor one day or have someone ask you to play "that tune you played last time i saw you that i wanted to dance to but no-one else was but now a few more like it i think i'll dance to it"

See you next month mate.

Kev

Brilliant post Kev

yep cant wait to play for your Cracker crowd Kev im really looking forward to it and i promise not to be anal too

see you soon matey

Bearsy

[Guest nhsoulie]

what the fook is a boot?

[Guest]

what the fook is a boot?

good question

recently the word 'boot' on these forums include all legitimate re-issues. Even legitimate first UK release items such as Bobby Sheen have almost been caught up in the vogue style of dismissing the validaty of someones love of the music

[Guest kid mohair]

what the fook is a boot?

Great question, why dident i think of asking that???

[Guest nhsoulie]

good question

recently the word 'boot' on these forums include all legitimate re-issues. Even legitimate first UK release items such as Bobby Sheen have almost been caught up in the vogue style of dismissing the validaty of someones love of the music

i understood that up to legitimate re-issues after that god knows where did you learn words like that lol. i dont see a problem with boots then no changed my mind boots are shite

Edited April 19, 2009 by nhsoulie

[Mike]

two recent posts moved into this more recent topic

closing this topic now as the previous last post was back in 2009 and the linked one is current and so better suited

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