Unbelieveably Played At Wigan

[burt weedon]

used dj in sum jazz funk clubs in the 70,s and used to play..rose royce..R n R EXPRESS..WICKED TUNE.it got played at wigan towards the end..had my copy niked,along with aload more..anybody no it..please..

lamont dozier?

[kevinsoulman]

used dj in sum jazz funk clubs in the 70,s and used to play..rose royce..R n R EXPRESS..WICKED TUNE.it got played at wigan towards the end..had my copy niked,along with aload more..anybody no it..please..

released in 81 should be able to pick it up for peanuts

kev

[Pete S]

Sexy Sugar Plum was absolutely huge on import and nobody could get a copy, when the first imports came in they were on vinyl and everyone thought they were bootlegs!

[manus]

Don Covay It's better to have - released in 74 and revived at Wigan a couple of years later. Great Soul music.

Cheers Manus

[De-to]

not sure if it charted but how about babe ruth,elusive?? also im sure these were wigan plays,

love machine,the miracles,

spring rain,silvetti,(not sure if this charted though??)

ive got the need,the moments,

9 times,er cant remember the groups name

plus i remember soul sam playing and being quite enthusiastic about it at the time,"dont go breaking my heart",kiki dee/elton john at either st ives or peterborough all-nighter,anyone else remember that!!!!

[Wiganer1]

not sure if it charted but how about babe ruth,elusive?? also im sure these were wigan plays,

love machine,the miracles,

spring rain,silvetti,(not sure if this charted though??)

ive got the need,the moments,

9 times,er cant remember the groups name

plus i remember soul sam playing and being quite enthusiastic about it at the time,"dont go breaking my heart",kiki dee/elton john at either st ives or peterborough all-nighter,anyone else remember that!!!!

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whatever they spun - WIGAN - THE LEGEND LIVES ON!!!!

[grantdyche]

I wrote about Phyliss Hyman on a facebook Northern page a while ago,I heard it at at Heywood civic hall,and all of my mates looked at me and I looked at them,Yep it's a disco record about 80ish I think,

Yes Iam an old bloke who came back to the scene!!,

The Trammps when you think about it?

It was released in 74 ish,and it does have a good beat,The instrumental is called "Scrub Board",and it features on many Northern collection cd's,

Sexy Sugar Plum,Ah well ummm,

I bought it and tried to dance to it at the Ritz,

I was 16-17 should I have known better???,

If it was a newie today would they dance to it??

If you were a newbie on the scene would you dance to it??

It's all up to you folks,

After all this is a discussion,

No point in saying it should not have / or be played,It was and still is,

"You sexy sugar plum look what you've gone and done"

Cheers

Grant

Ok I dropped a bollock "Scrub Board" is the inst version on ZING sorry,

My wifes pissing herself at me now and I quote"You never get anything WRONG"

I blame it on Stella,that's not my wifes name but the Lager

[De-to]

9 Times was The Moments

thanks for that the old mem not what it was

anyone mentioned vicki sue robinson,turn the beat around,im sure that charted???

[kevinsoulman]

george bad benson supership from 75 charted @ no 30, also on broadway charted in the us in 78 and i think on the b side of the give me the night 12" in 1980.

kev

[grantdyche]

not sure if it charted but how about babe ruth,elusive?? also im sure these were wigan plays,

love machine,the miracles,

spring rain,silvetti,(not sure if this charted though??)

ive got the need,the moments,

9 times,er cant remember the groups name

plus i remember soul sam playing and being quite enthusiastic about it at the time,"dont go breaking my heart",kiki dee/elton john at either st ives or peterborough all-nighter,anyone else remember that!!!!

I've got the need charted by Chuck Jackson,

Love Machine a Deffo chart hit and later by Wham I think,

Not sure about Silvetti charting, if it did it was lower end,Nine times out of ten --Muriel Young charted,

Dont go breaking my heart-----------Give me a break NEVER in my lifetime NO WAY not even Soul Sam would have played it at a Northern venue,It came out in 76,and was number one for a million years in the charts,Now if you had said the Elton John and Rue Paul version played by Ian Levine I might have believed you,LOL

[kevinsoulman]

thanks for that the old mem not what it was

anyone mentioned vicki sue robinson,turn the beat around,im sure that charted???

charted in 1976 ,found out recently she did the vocals on the soundtrack for the pokemon tv series

kev

[Guest madkev]

can no one remember the glitter band , it makes youblind, a c/up if i remember right, fucking crap track

[Shaunfitz]

Think it was released late 75.

I THINK I HEARD THELMA HOUSTON - DONT LEAVE ME THIS WAY (MOTOWN)

ONE NIGHT FOR SURE

[De-to]

I've got the need charted by Chuck Jackson,

Love Machine a Deffo chart hit and later by Wham I think,

Not sure about Silvetti charting, if it did it was lower end,Nine times out of ten --Muriel Young charted,

Dont go breaking my heart-----------Give me a break NEVER in my lifetime NO WAY not even Soul Sam would have played it at a Northern venue,It came out in 76,and was number one for a million years in the charts,Now if you had said the Elton John and Rue Paul version played by Ian Levine I might have believed you,LOL

sorry but he deffo played,dont go breaking my heart,at the time even i thought er whats that all about,

[Guest NorthernDancer]

Prince buster AL CAPONE

[ChrisOD1964]

Disco Inferno??

chris

[grantdyche]

Disco Inferno??

chris

Yes it did as did Thelma Houstons version of Don't Leave Me

[grantdyche]

Are you sure Chuck charted???

Sorry mate just checked the Guinness book and no It did not chart,

The reason I thought it charted was that I found it in my mates record box,and he only ever had stuff that charted,It must have been a close run thing for him to have it though,

Its an All Platinum,same label that did the Rimshots in the UK

[Guest east rob]

Or was it not Idris Muhammed...........!!!!!!!

idris mohammed-turn this mutha out. big at the ritz back in the day

Edited April 11, 2009 by east rob

[grantdyche]

And Moments did the same song on the same label

Talkng about Chart Records at Wigan on the same label

Rhetta Young-Sending out an S.O.S

Good to have you on board,mate!!

[/quote

Rhetta Young charted in 75 top spot 28(Good Book That Guinness)

Thanks for your comment

Just checked the Rimshots I thought "Do What You Feel" charted but guess what IAM WRONG AGAIN,It was 7654321,

I'm on a loser here LOL

Grant

[grantdyche]

God,yes l remember that!!Has anybody got any info on this fella??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EStIjUWVf1s

Here you go then

[grantdyche]

God,yes l remember that!!Has anybody got any info on this fella??

Hope this helps

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idris_Muhammad

Grant

[Guest east rob]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EStIjUWVf1s

Here you go then

thats the baby! still sounds good to me.

[Barry]

A very anal, yet understandable, thread borne from the need to be accepted.

Basically yet another stab by someone I would understand has never put his balls on the line to step up to the plate and be a 'DJ'!?

A negative post at heart but I understand it's root to an extent....mate....we can all look back over 30 years of listening and pick on the low points - the low points (not by my standards, by yours), made by a number of DJ's over a heavy number of years.

Now I'm not having a pop, I actually think it isn't a bad thread, but focus on the plusses mate.

Is 'plusses' a word?

[Guest KEN-SOUL]

Pete, Richard was playing it in 76, but i don't know about at the Casino, cause i was not going there myself at the time.

This was the case at all-nighters everywhere. Why did the d'j's do this- it was sacrelige!!! explain yourself d'j's damn it!

[goodisonturf]

Worst thing i ever heard at The Casino was Russ playing this bloody aweful instrumental cover up and it turned out to be on UK Bell - The Glitter Band "Makes you blind", deaf more like it.

[Guest Leigh J]

The Night - Frankie Valli

Nosmo King

Did Afternoon on the Rhino Chart ?

Wigans Ovation ,Footsee and Wayne Gibson were on top of the Pops

Betty Wright ?

[Guest]

i think i prob owned all the records mentioned in this thread around the 70s ...new release us soul did very well in the charts,lots after exposure on our scene,cant say i would listen to any of it now tho, ezzie

This type of quote baffles me.

I am a northern fan of over 35 years but I also have a large section of US 70s Soul in my collection. The type of records that 'did very well in the charts'. Records like 'Young Hearts run free', 'Walking In Rythym', 'The Love I lost', 'I love Music', 'Harvest For The World' and a host of others.

These records have two things in common with JEFF PERRY, THE VOICES OF EAST HARLEM, PAT LUNDI, THE CARSTAIRS, ACE SPECTRUM etc, etc.

1. They are all GREAT SOUL RECORDS.

2. They were all released in the 70s.

During a 70s oldies session, these type of records compliment each other perfectly. Its just a shame that MOSES SMITH, HOAGY LANDS, SAM WILLIAMS and all the other 60s Northern Iccons that we treasure did not enjoy the sanme type of commercial success achieved by the artists who recorded the tracks above. Their own lives may have been somewhat enriched then. For people in the UK to dismiss great soul records on the grounds that they were commercially successful is the worst type of cultural snobbery and is an attitude which has given critics of our scene, great ammunition over the years.

I understand the comment about 'travelling 400 miles' but that only stands up if a whole raft of DJ'S trot out a four hour selection of well-established oldies at a night designed to break 'new' or fresh records. Slipping in a modern classic like the FOUR TOPS alongside lesser known rarities and obscurities makes perfect sense to most people who like to hear a few proven classics amongst sounds they dont yet know.

I well remember Dave Thorley playing EVELYN 'CHAMPAGNE' KING'S 'Shame' at Yate (And well after it had hit the pop charts) amongst rarer tracks and to me and many others who danced to it, it sounded great.

It is the quality of a record that matters and nothing else. And if people cannot hear that the records described above are great soul records, then I question their understanding of what soul music is all about.

[Soul Shrews]

Ok I dropped a bollock "Scrub Board" is the inst version on ZING sorry,

My wifes pissing herself at me now and I quote"You never get anything WRONG"

I blame it on Stella,that's not my wifes name but the Lager

Yo can pick your bollock up "Scruboard"

is

the inst to "Hold Back The Night" both on the "Legendary Zing" LP

Remember Dave Evison playing LJ Johnson "Your Magic Put A Spell On Me" the 1st night I spent at Wigan (Sept 78) after it went top 30 in 76 was overjoyed to flog my copy for a fiver in the record bar a week later

Cheers Paul

[Guest Scarborosoul]

The Northern Soul Scene is always known as A Rare Soul Scene

But some of them weren't rare and l remember these been played

at The Casino just before they hit the charts;

Queen of Clubs-KC and The Sunshine Band

I'm on Fire-5000 Volts

and.................................................

First,last everything-Barry White

Anymore out there??

I guess that the above is why I spent most of my time in Ms!! Having first attended the Casino in early 74 I can honestly say I never heard any of the above played. So ive either blocked them out or just thought fooking crap and gone up stairs. As for things like Curtis Mayfield - CHOON and would still fill most nighter floors if played out.

The worst record ever played at the Casino was without doubt The Playground. It ranks even worst than Joe 90, Tim Tam, or the dreadfull My Corner of the Night.

Rick

[Pauldonnelly]

as its been a wonderful Golf Weekend on BBC thought I'd post this, was it c'uped as Soul a GO GO?

[Steve G]

Surprised no one has mentioned "Casanova" yet by Coffee

[grantdyche]

Surprised no one has mentioned "Casanova" yet by Coffee

I dont believe they played that at Wigan,Good god never please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Steve G]

I dont believe they played that at Wigan,Good god never please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes it was played. Quite big too.....

[harpo1]

Hope this helps

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idris_Muhammad

Grant

Don't forget "boogie to the top" another biggie from the day

[harpo1]

I well remember Dave Thorley playing EVELYN 'CHAMPAGNE' KING'S 'Shame' at Yate (And well after it had hit the pop charts) amongst rarer tracks and to me and many others who danced to it, it sounded great.

And rightly so ...a great tune...was playing it yesterday!!

It is the quality of a record that matters and nothing else. And if people cannot hear that the records described above are great soul records, then I question their understanding of what soul music is all about.

Thats the point that is most important, most of the records mentioned are "soul" records, and isn't that the real criteria that is required, a beat that you can dance to is a biggie, but we all love those monster slow tracks just now and then that just do the head and stay in the mind , first time i heard Jackie Beavers was such a moment. We have a history of playing records with dubious, often lacking any relation to "soul", even in its widest description, and i guess in the day we have all liked stuff that in retrospect is toe curlingly awful, to a point of total shame, i wont think to hard on that it is a scary thought

Harpo

Edited April 14, 2009 by harpo1

[harpo1]

When you think of the TOTW Stafford, so many people dismiss totally the modern, current release tracks that certainly at first were a significant part of the playlist.

And seeing how everyman and his dog seemed to go there, as i often hear(all i can say is , as one who went to 'em all is, they wern't in the same building as us) that seems odd, could there have ever been a bigger Stafford record, in terms of commercial sales, and success than

Booker Newberry 111 "Love Town"

treat her like a lady, don't you get so mad, i am somebody(as i remember the first big Stafford record), the crown, get down saturday night, Band AKA etc....etc...

Its rare to see devotees mention on cd's tapes etc...the likes of Garfield Fleming, Jan Jones and other big class tunes, so to have to think of the ones above may leave some in trauma, but i danced to 'em all and so many others, to packed floors, a good record may become out of its time or too played , but it is still a good record, yet theres a lot more shit sub standard 60's ones that are given creedence, guess that was when they were played at the other TOTW!!!!

[harpo1]

Yes it was played. Quite big too.....

Coffee

Oh yes it was a regular, my lady Sandi was cringing only yesterday when we saw the album at a friends, as already said it was not the worst by far!!

Edited April 14, 2009 by harpo1

[Stuart Bower]

The Northern Soul Scene is always known as A Rare Soul Scene

But some of them weren't rare and l remember these been played

at The Casino just before they hit the charts;

Queen of Clubs-KC and The Sunshine Band

I'm on Fire-5000 Volts

and.................................................

First,last everything-Barry White

Anymore out there??

GARY GLITTER-ROCK N` ROLL PART 2-BELL

RON GRAINER-THEME FROM THE PRISONER.

And many other gems like these..

[Daved]

Did Billy Ocean get played at Wigan "Red Light...." and "Love Really Hurts....."?

[Stuart Bower]

GG was 72 and Wigan opened in 73 so how did that get in the equation??

Don`t ask..Someone played it though in 1974 i think and people danced to it..That place was well strange at times..Anyone remember that guy-who used to walk to the centre of the dancefloor and just stood there motionless-except for clapping his hands to the music. Wonder if he`s still around?

Edited April 14, 2009 by Mike Socket

[Stuart Bower]

Don't remember him but l bet the bloke who cleaned the toilets isn't!!!

[grantdyche]

Don`t ask..Someone played it though in 1974 i think and people danced to it..That place was well strange at times..Anyone remember that guy-who used to walk to the centre of the dancefloor and just stood there motionless-except for clapping his hands to the music. Wonder if he`s still around?

I think I remember the guy you are on about,

If it's the same one did he looke a bit like a Hippy,Longish hair always wore jeans,and a poncho sometimes, Looked to me like someone who had stayed behind after the Rock night,Always looked like he was smashed of his tit's,He would just stand on the floor and then suddenly run to the side,then stop for a few minutes and then run back again,It must be the same one?

Grant

[grantdyche]

Don't forget "boogie to the top" another biggie from the day

Boogie to the top was that by Rokotto??

Grant

[Guest Little Anthony]

A few more to add:

Miracles : Love Machine, played in 1975

Edwin Starr : Happy Radio, played by Minshull as a new release..1978 I think.

Pig Bag : Poppa's got a brand new pig .. played by Steve Whittle in M's.

Mr Bloe : Grovin' with Mr Bloe, played by Minshull at the oldies..in addition to Tammi Lynn, Guy Darrell etc.

[grantdyche]

This type of quote baffles me.

I am a northern fan of over 35 years but I also have a large section of US 70s Soul in my collection. The type of records that 'did very well in the charts'. Records like 'Young Hearts run free', 'Walking In Rythym', 'The Love I lost', 'I love Music', 'Harvest For The World' and a host of others.

These records have two things in common with JEFF PERRY, THE VOICES OF EAST HARLEM, PAT LUNDI, THE CARSTAIRS, ACE SPECTRUM etc, etc.

1. They are all GREAT SOUL RECORDS.

2. They were all released in the 70s.

During a 70s oldies session, these type of records compliment each other perfectly. Its just a shame that MOSES SMITH, HOAGY LANDS, SAM WILLIAMS and all the other 60s Northern Iccons that we treasure did not enjoy the sanme type of commercial success achieved by the artists who recorded the tracks above. Their own lives may have been somewhat enriched then. For people in the UK to dismiss great soul records on the grounds that they were commercially successful is the worst type of cultural snobbery and is an attitude which has given critics of our scene, great ammunition over the years.

I understand the comment about 'travelling 400 miles' but that only stands up if a whole raft of DJ'S trot out a four hour selection of well-established oldies at a night designed to break 'new' or fresh records. Slipping in a modern classic like the FOUR TOPS alongside lesser known rarities and obscurities makes perfect sense to most people who like to hear a few proven classics amongst sounds they dont yet know.

I well remember Dave Thorley playing EVELYN 'CHAMPAGNE' KING'S 'Shame' at Yate (And well after it had hit the pop charts) amongst rarer tracks and to me and many others who danced to it, it sounded great.

It is the quality of a record that matters and nothing else. And if people cannot hear that the records described above are great soul records, then I question their understanding of what soul music is all about.

It's a hard subject this one in the view of what was bad / good,

In my opinion tracks that did / do chart,all have there place in Northern Soul genre,Wether some of these tracks are really soul is a different matter,The Evelyn King track mentioned was a big track at the Ritz in Manchester,It was played mainly by the Mecca Dj's as a New York disco track,as were many others"Center City" by Fat Larry for instance,

Many tracks like this also got played at Wigan and also went on to have chart entries,

Who do we blame for this? "The People Who Bought Them",

How many artists recorded songs thinking "I hope this record is a bummer,because it might become a Northern Soul classic in the future",

How many times do we hear of singers / song writers dying in poverty,or living on benefits,The point of these artistes making these records was to try and live a dream and if lucky become famous,or at the very least to try and make a living out of what they loved,To be quite blunt about it they wanted to make some dosh!!!,

I love Nothern Soul,but over the years I have become a bit pi**ed off with the "Its a commercial track that",

They all started out with the intention of being commercial tracks,that was the point in releasing them!

If you thought it was a Northern tune in the past then it still is now,

As for shite records that is a different matter,

Really hope I do not offend anyone with my opinions,but then again this is a discussion board,So let's discuss,

Cheers ktf

Grant

[Barry]

Does no one understand that without 'yesterdays Northern Scene plays', todays would not have been possible?

It is 'stab in your eye' simple.

To actually become good at something you have to make mistakes.

Now, I use the word 'mistake' loosely.

Hindsight is something that is utilised and easily preyed upon.

To the newbies:

"Your forebears wrote the book, laid the (Khan) law down, danced for you and made 'your' hindsitical mistakes for you."

Without the aforementioned (in your minds) 'mistakes', you'd have feck all.

Show a tad of the adult in you and have a little respect for something that, if you were there, you obviously didn't understand and if you weren't there, you can't (but should) understand.

Progression is borne of the dancefloor - dancers, the scene (I'm sick of pointing this out), NS at the time tells it's own story - don't make the mistake of reading the last paragraph and thinking you know the whole story....you weren't there to help write it.

All the high-lighted tracks above, were not worthy of ridicule, the jocks felt them worthy of play - the dancefloor asked for and accepted them, Northern Soul was delivered, in todays form, to your doorstep.

Nuff said.

[Barry]

...and Phyllis Hyman's 'You Know How To Love Me' was simply one of Wigans biggest moments for me.

A genius Searling moment.

Now I don't know if you know but Phyllis appeared in Playboy magazine in 1980 (biggest selling PB in years as it happens), as she was a true beauty but I don't know if you know how she ultimatley exited this world....I hate to be negative but this has always stuck with me as I loved the woman's music...check it out.... a sad loss to our world and an for nothing.

Go to your normal Northern nights and see lukewarm/sparse floors.

Then play 'YKHTLM' and see the girls flush the floor with true Soul feeling.

Phyllis Hyman's track is as stitched in a Northern Soul track as any sixties record you could mention.

[Guest Nick Harrison]

Yes it was played. Quite big too.....

Correct Steve, good call as this recorded featured in many a saturday nite set by Mr Barnfarther and Mr Serling. If my memory serves me correctly.

[Dave]

Are you sure Chuck charted???

If it didn't it came close.. all over the radio at the time.

Did Billy Ocean get played at Wigan "Red Light...." and "Love Really Hurts....."?

Don't know about Wigan because I once I'd discovered Cleggy, that was my preference, but Love Really Hurts was defo played on the eastern side of the country.

Others I can remember hearing included Esther Phillips- What a Difference, 76 I would reckon, and I think in Peterborough, Moments- Dolly My Love and Detroit Emeralds- Feel the Need.