Little-stevie Posted May 31, 2005 Posted May 31, 2005 Thats commercial tv for you mate...To get a programme like that through at that time of the night they have to go for the mainstream and a large viewing public..Ina commercial world they have to play safe..Like we have always said mate,if you want the real deal you really have to search for it... link I also love comments like they should be shot by my Swedish brother Some say its only music and not the end of the world..without the rare soul scene i think my world would not be the same place..Its my milk in my coffee and the sugar in my tea(is that from a soul song?)....Good comments on here but you know the way its gonna go..Not gonna get disco tony coming on here and saying that all them obscure soul tracks were obscure because no people liked them...If he did then he would be shot ..I would like to see this topic on a mainstream forum with you lot against the wedding djs and the like..Now that would be fun.. ..
Chalky Posted May 31, 2005 Posted May 31, 2005 I agree that records like Baby Love have no place on the rare soul scene, but for quite different reasons. Basically, you can hear it on the radio, at home, at "normal' discos etc etc. Therefore it becomes MOR. But musically and the reason it was produced is imo one and the same as Jackie Beavers on Revilot. You think the Solid Hitbound Team or the folks at Pied Piper did what they did for the love of it?? Read Jack Ashfords book. Kinda puts things in perspective. If you speak to artists still involved in the business, they STILL see the $$$ when you discuss their current projects. (ie. What's in it for me? This is how I make my living), and quite rightly so. You wouldn't ask a plumber to fix your leak for nothing would you. No difference imo. "Aimed at white audiences as that's where the money was". Too right Chalky lad. And thank God they did eh? Nice talkin' to ya.... Regards, Dave www.hitsvillesoulclub.com link Revilot and other smaller labels I agree they wanted to make money but can you honestly say that some of the releases onn the smaller local labels were aimed specifically at the mass white audience the way acts like the Supremes was? There are many labels that aimed there output specifically at the local black buying market. You can't say that about many of the Motown Corporations major sellers. I also agree about the artists and that they are in it for the money. I bet half of them didn't or wouldn't give a shit what style they sang as long as it made them rich I've read Jack Ashfords book and it still doesn'ty change my thinking about Motown.
Mark Bicknell Posted May 31, 2005 Posted May 31, 2005 With respect, this programme isn't really aimed at the hardcore fans of Rare Soul. It's aimed at the Observer Music Monthly demographic. It's a pretty good effort considering the limitations on archive material etc. that the producers must have had to put up with. Could a Rare Soul version of such a programme ever be made? I'd be surprised if it could. Scene politics would make it very unlikely, let alone the extremely specialist nature of the subject being deemed commercial enough to get an airing on even a channel such as BBC4. Seeing as TV is a visual medium, how would you fill the time, without artist footage, or even artist interviews? it's a scene that's so esoteric and based in abject failure that there's not much visual that ever got recorded to support a TV Series. Let's not forget that most attempts there has been to represent the Rare Soul scene in media has been mostly met with derision, suspicion or indifference by the "Hardcore fans". You get a lot of people telling you what's wrong with it, but not many willing to put their money where their mouth is and make something better. Look at the grief Levine got for SWONS, for example. link Here,here this is by far the most constructive reply here, i agree with every point made, Northern Soul is very often given a very bad retro nostalgic overview by the mainstream media, i don't think there has ever been a decent full story told so far, Levine had the chance and blew it in my opinion. There is some footage out there which could be used with interviews etc. to make a worts and all documentary but again it would not have commercial mainstream appeal. I think to be honest it's best left alone as often tv people and production companies think they know best and we know that this far from the truth, so we will have to put up with the 'keep the faith'. 'brothers and sisters' kind of vibe or nothing, there really seems to be no middle ground on this one, it's always gonna be the 'Wigan Casino' as the heyday period, baggie trousers,flat caps and whippets it's how it is....... Regards - Mark Bicknell.
Dave Moore Posted May 31, 2005 Posted May 31, 2005 I think to be honest it's best left alone as often tv people and production companies think they know best and we know that this far from the truth, so we will have to put up with the 'keep the faith'. 'brothers and sisters' kind of vibe or nothing, there really seems to be no middle ground on this one, it's always gonna be the 'Wigan Casino' as the heyday period, baggie trousers,flat caps and whippets it's how it is....... Regards - Mark Bicknell. link This maybe true in UK and imo it's too ingrained in the publics perception of "Northern Soul". However..............Northern/Rare Soul is now a worldwide phenomenon and the "foreign" scenes have two advantages: 1. There's no hang up about the 70s and all it's complications to wrestle with. The "Foreign" scenes didn't exist then. 2. The experiences of Ex Pat UK fans coupled with the expertise and enthusiasm of local fans breathes "fresh air" into a "fledgeling" scene. The "mistakes" of the UK scene can be avoided, whilst the positive aspects can be enhanced, and all this with no "politics" undermining everyone's efforts. The collapse of the VegasShuffle event was a perfect example of how 'importing" the UK scene doesn't work, unless you bring your own punters, DJs, scene, with you. So...........watch this space..... Regards, Dave www,hitsvillesoulclub.com
Mark Bicknell Posted May 31, 2005 Posted May 31, 2005 This maybe true in UK and imo it's too ingrained in the publics perception of "Northern Soul". However..............Northern/Rare Soul is now a worldwide phenomenon and the "foreign" scenes have two advantages: 1. There's no hang up about the 70s and all it's complications to wrestle with. The "Foreign" scenes didn't exist then. 2. The experiences of Ex Pat UK fans coupled with the expertise and enthusiasm of local fans breathes "fresh air" into a "fledgeling" scene. The "mistakes" of the UK scene can be avoided, whilst the positive aspects can be enhanced, and all this with no "politics" undermining everyone's efforts. The collapse of the VegasShuffle event was a perfect example of how 'importing" the UK scene doesn't work, unless you bring your own punters, DJs, scene, with you. So...........watch this space..... Regards, Look forward to it Dave, thought the Vegas Shuffle thing going up the pictures was more to do with the financial backer getting cold feet, still i take your point and agree, also given your website a big shout on my Solar radio show this coming sunday via an email from Dave Ferguson, great site by the way hope it all goes well. Regards - Mark Bicknell.
Dave Moore Posted May 31, 2005 Posted May 31, 2005 Look forward to it Dave, thought the Vegas Shuffle thing going up the pictures was more to do with the financial backer getting cold feet, still i take your point and agree, also given your website a big shout on my Solar radio show this coming sunday via an email from Dave Ferguson, great site by the way hope it all goes well. Regards - Mark Bicknell. link Cheers Mark, we listen on the East Coast on Sundays. Great Job. Best, Dave www.hitsvillesoulclub.com
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