You Know The Weren't

[Gene-r]

I reckon "Oh Pretty Woman" by Roy Orbison would have had potential had it not been a chart hit in the UK. So, too, could have been "Something Here In My Heart (Keeps A Tellin' Me No)" by the Paper Dolls.

Also a couple of interesting B-sides come to mind:

THE BROTHERS: Love Don't Change (UK Bus Stop) - B-side of "Sing Me" and, yes, another bunch of Opportunity Knocks winners

GLITTER BAND: Makes You Blind (UK Bell) - B-side to "People Like You & People Like Me". Stomping instrumental, though I think a lot of people already know about this.

Edited April 3, 2009 by Gene-R

[Mach]

In what context, a pile of crap? I must be the only mug who saw 13 of the Glass Spider concerts and all of them ended with that.

yeah! ..nowt comes close to Ziggy Stardust & Spiders from mars.i know every word to every track on that vintage album..

[Pete S]

I reckon "Oh Pretty Woman" by Roy Orbison would have had potential had it not been a chart hit in the UK. So, too, could have been "Something Here In My Heart (Keeps A Tellin' Me No)" by the Paper Dolls.

Anyone heard "All the time in the world" by The Paper Dolls? Same track as Stevie Kimble on Decca though not as wild. NIce though, dancer.

[spirit]

Another Bronski Beat one, 'It Aint Necessarily So'

I've got it on a 7". Hmm i wonder...

Heh heh. Dare you. There'd be a riot.

I would love to go to an event where the only criteria was danceability, and 'soul' in its abstract sense.

I tried convincing a DJ/collector aquaintance recently that Loves "Maybe The People Would Be The Times Or Between Clark and Hilldale" from the wonderful "Forever Changes" album would be eminently danceable on a Northern floor. He was very sceptical.

I can't find an audio link to the original, but here's a very competent live version from the late great creator of the record, Arthur Lee.

[Gene-r]

Anyone heard "All the time in the world" by The Paper Dolls? Same track as Stevie Kimble on Decca though not as wild. NIce though, dancer.

Yep - it is nice Pete! Also the B-side to their single.

[ImberBoy]

Brandy (You're A Fine Girl) - Looking Glass

[Gene-r]

About 25 years ago I used to have an excellent 45 on Pye by Guy Fletcher called "Keep On Loving Me". It was a yellow demo and dates (according to the stamp) from May 1968. It is a brilliant UK uptempo pop-stomper with overtones of "Baby Now That I've Found You". I have NEVER seen another copy - UK collectors (and Pete, take note!), keep a look out for this!

From what I can recall, Guy Fletcher was a song-writing partner with Doug Flett, and I think they wrote a fair bit of material for Cliff Richard which were submitted as potential Eurovision entries that year, but were rejected. However, their composition "Power To All Our Friends" did make the 1973 Eurovision for Cliff.

Also, on the subject of Eurovision, what about "Love Games" by Belle & The Devotions?

Edited April 3, 2009 by Gene-R

[ImberBoy]

Commin right outta the cupboard

[Stubbsy]

Billy Ocean - "Love Really Hurts Without You"

Or perhaps this one is Northern?

[Guest Ste Brazil]

As skinheads everyone moonhopped to Free All Right Now and Norman Greenbaum Spirit In The Sky.

Seriously? Thats bizzare, just cant picture it?!

Ste.

[Guest in town Mikey]

Billy Ocean - "Love Really Hurts Without You"

Or perhaps this one is Northern?

Great tune. He was on Radio 2 on Saturday morning. Seemed a good laugh.

Its a great one for the local disco soul section.

[Gene-r]

Seriously? Thats bizzare, just cant picture it?!

Ste.

I can - and probably changing the title of the Free track to something a bit more supremacist?

[paup-ine]

Billy Ocean - "Love Really Hurts Without You"

Or perhaps this one is Northern?

Remember seeing him live somewhere somes years back, and the set was dark, and he had a dark suit on!!

Show was very good though!

P

[Little-stevie]

You know they weren't

But you wished they were

Mens bits ..

Oooh sorry wrong topic... Will get to freebasing...

[Citizen P]

Always had a soft spot for Daryl Hall & John Oates, especially She's Gone, & Sara Smile

Tony

[KevH]

Here's on for you lot!!!.Sold this to Garry Churm donkey's years ago,he's still got it covered up waiting for the right time!!!!

Get yer dancing shoes on....and wait for the break.!!!

The wonderful Howard DeVoto and Magazine.

Edited April 3, 2009 by KevH

[Guest dundeedavie]

BANANA SPLITS! Not the theme tune, but the bits they played during the programme, soulful as f**k! Think they even had an LP out, theres some stuff on youtube!!!

there is a couple of tracks , "doin' the banana split " written by Barry White and "Gonna Find A Cave " written by Jimmy Radcliffe ...i've played them both at soul and mod do's and of course been thoroughly lambasted by certain dicks on here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-v7s1VZ1DE

Edited April 3, 2009 by dundeedavie

[Mach]

Remember seeing him live somewhere somes years back, and the set was dark, and he had a dark suit on!!

Show was very good though!

P

Are you sure it was him? ..

[Guest Matt Male]

Always had a soft spot for Daryl Hall & John Oates, especially She's Gone, & Sara Smile

Tony

You're right 'She's Gone' does have that floaty northern quality, especially the chorus.

What about 'Relight My Fire'? Dan Hartman or Take That version?

Small confession Instant Replay is one of my favourite all time records. Has me running to the floor.

Edited July 6, 2009 by mike

[Pete S]

Here's on for you lot!!!.Sold this to Garry Churm donkey's years ago,he's still got it covered up waiting for the right time!!!!

Get yer dancing shoes on....and wait for the break.!!!

The wonderful Howard DeVoto and Magazine.

Can't believe I forgot this, bought it when it came out, the version on that youtube clip sounds a bit remixed? Added echo maybe, not enough bass.

[ChrisOD1964]

Any one remember this?

Blue Rondo a La Turk - Klacto Vee Sedstein, I remember them on "Swap shop" stomping.

Yes i remember that and i still quite like it.

Chris

[ChrisOD1964]

The Bitterest Pill. A wee bit soulfull me thinks??

chris

[Ady Croasdell]

Seriously? Thats bizzare, just cant picture it?!

Ste.

All in a big circle moonhopping and clapping hands. It wasn't the music of choice but it fitted the bill when you couldn't get reggae or soul. Wearing DMs meant you pretty much had to moonhop.

[Martint]

The best of the lot, Swing Out Sister "you on my mind" someone post it up

Steve J

defo, awesome record (not read the rest of the thread yet, sorry )

[Richard Bayley]

Shame - Evelyn "Champagne" King ..........choooon!

Full 12" version, naturally - I can almost feel my floppy wedge growing back as I listen to this

[Paul R]

Can't forget this one

Paul

[Soulfinger]

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah - The Pogues

[Guest bazabod_downunder]

Yes....but she wasn't the singer, it was Tina Charles, she was used as the 'frontwoman' for 5000 Volts for 'ahem' obvious reasons....I think they got bubbled after their second release.

KTF

Baz

Doubt it but it was definitely played at Wigan - I have a tape of the instrumental being played.

p.s. I always thought 5000 Volts were fronted by the actress Luan Peters, when I did a bit of research I found out that Luan Peters recorded in the 60's as...Karol Keyes! (Did versions of One in a million and You beat me to the punch)

[paup-ine]

Are you sure it was him? ..

Thats what it said on the ticket anyway!

P

[paup-ine]

Shame - Evelyn "Champagne" King ..........choooon!

Full 12" version, naturally - I can almost feel my floppy wedge growing back as I listen to this

Yes love that, whats a floppy wedge? Or shouldn't I ask?

P

[Guest marge]

Don't say no! And it was arranged by ... erm something to do with Duffy. The orchestral arrangements? Maybe it was just a good pop song.

Were those Bowie tracks mentioned earlier on 'don't be fooled by the name' lp?

Only have a tape of that lp

[Stubbsy]

Can't forget this one

Paul

Love that one Blue eyed soul methinks!

Was it 1974?

Looked at Sunny's version on you tube and lo and behold what was next to this but Jane McDonalds more recent version, from Loose Women and what's more I like it (am I losing the plot? )

Edited April 3, 2009 by Stubbsy

[Richard Bayley]

Yes love that, whats a floppy wedge? Or shouldn't I ask?

P

Haircut

[Gene-r]

Yes....but she wasn't the singer, it was Tina Charles, she was used as the 'frontwoman' for 5000 Volts for 'ahem' obvious reasons....I think they got bubbled after their second release.

KTF

Baz

Interesting. Here's the pic sleeve for my German copy of I'm On Fire.........she does look a bit like Tina Charles, come to think of it. The other side (which wasn't released here), "Bye Love", is also a crossover-type dancy track; and it's a male vocal.

[Citizen P]

Always liked Donna Summer-Loves Unkind-for that Phil Spectorish feel

Tony

[kevinsoulman]

About 25 years ago I used to have an excellent 45 on Pye by Guy Fletcher called "Keep On Loving Me". It was a yellow demo and dates (according to the stamp) from May 1968. It is a brilliant UK uptempo pop-stomper with overtones of "Baby Now That I've Found You". I have NEVER seen another copy - UK collectors (and Pete, take note!), keep a look out for this!

From what I can recall, Guy Fletcher was a song-writing partner with Doug Flett, and I think they wrote a fair bit of material for Cliff Richard which were submitted as potential Eurovision entries that year, but were rejected. However, their composition "Power To All Our Friends" did make the 1973 Eurovision for Cliff.

Also, on the subject of Eurovision, what about "Love Games" by Belle & The Devotions?

thanks for the info googled it and got a copy off music stack only one on there can't wait to hear it

kev

[Gene-r]

thanks for the info googled it and got a copy off music stack only one on there can't wait to hear it

kev

Well done Kev! Hope you enjoy, and that you're not disappointed.

[Guest Steve Lehair]

Hi Simon

just back up a bit, did,nt the two from Swing out sister go to wigan any way? and one Mike Pickering who formed M people was an old soul boy

talked to him one night at a club where they did there act just before they got goin. As for Pretty woman by Roy Orbison there was a monster of an instrumental version by the SUNSET STRINGS played at Cleethorpes niter and quite rare i believe

Steve

[Guest bazabod_downunder]

Yes it is Tina Charles on this pic sleeve, story goes as I remember that 5000 volts turned up at the beeb for recording not with the girl that fronted the band on TOTP but with Tina so that's how it was rumbled, I guess after that they had to come clean, I can only surmise that 'they' (record company execs or marketing dept) had a grudge against diminutive women...lol......of course soon after Tina embarked on her own solo career.

KTF

Baz

Interesting. Here's the pic sleeve for my German copy of I'm On Fire.........she does look a bit like Tina Charles, come to think of it. The other side (which wasn't released here), "Bye Love", is also a crossover-type dancy track; and it's a male vocal.

[ImberBoy]

Dionne Warwick - Are You There (With Another Girl)

This is an absolute corker of a track and so soulful, sorry I cant find it on The TUBE?

Lyrics to Are You There (With Another Girl) :

I hear the music coming out of your radio

Are you there with another girl instead of me

I hear your laughter and there's something I've got to know

Are you there with another girl instead of me

Well, I'm standing on your doorstep and I don't know what to do

Should I ring your doorbell or just walk away

My friends all say that you were never true

Hiding in the shadows

I see two silhouettes in back of your window shade

Are you there with another girl when I am gone

I can't believe you'd break the promises that you made

If you're there with another girl, I can't go on

Oh, I only know I love you and I couldn't say goodbye

So if there's another I don't want to know

If you should go, oh, I would surely die

Love requires faith, I've got a lot of faith but

I hear the music comin' out of your radio

Oh, I only know I love you and I couldn't say goodbye

So if there's another I don't want to know

If you should go, oh, I would surely die

You would never leave me, hurt me or deceive me

I'm a fool to doubt you, worry so about you

Love requires faith, I've got a lot in me but

I hear the music coming out of your radio

Any one got a file of this?????

[ImberBoy]

Hi Simon

just back up a bit, did,nt the two from Swing out sister go to wigan any way? and one Mike Pickering who formed M people was an old soul boy

talked to him one night at a club where they did there act just before they got goin. As for Pretty woman by Roy Orbison there was a monster of an instrumental version by the SUNSET STRINGS played at Cleethorpes niter and quite rare i believe

Steve

Hi Steve,

[Guest]

Interesting. Here's the pic sleeve for my German copy of I'm On Fire.........she does look a bit like Tina Charles, come to think of it. The other side (which wasn't released here), "Bye Love", is also a crossover-type dancy track; and it's a male vocal.

Tina Charles WAS the vocalist who recorded " IOF " .

Posted below is a clip from German TV at the time of release ( taken from boobtube ) , showing TC singing the song ......

Malc Burton

[Guest]

Tina Charles WAS the vocalist who recorded " IOF " .

Posted below is a clip from German TV at the time of release ( taken from boobtube ) , showing TC singing the song ......

Malc Burton

This was played on t'scene as well ........ sorry .

Malc Burton

[paup-ine]

This is nice:

Was Not Was -

A) Out Come The Freaks

Out Come The Freaks (predominately Funk Version remixed by the Detroit Wasmopolitan Mixing Squad)

And produced in Detroit by Don St. Was, David St. Was & Jack Tann.

Slightly Smokey Robinson ish?

And I haven't a clue who they are?

P

Maybe it was a was , and not a not was

Edited April 5, 2009 by paup-ine

[Pete S]

This is nice:

Was Not Was - Out Come The Freaks

Slightly Smokey Robinson ish?

And produced in Detroit by Don St. Was, David St. Was & Jack Tann.

And I haven't a clue who they are?

P

Maybe it was a was , and not a not was

I love that record, bought it when it came out, it was actually a radical reworking of a song they put out a couple of years earlier.

[paup-ine]

I love that record, bought it when it came out, it was actually a radical reworking of a song they put out a couple of years earlier.

Reading you load and clear Pete

P

[Guest]

This is nice:

Was Not Was -

A) Out Come The Freaks

Out Come The Freaks (predominately Funk Version remixed by the Detroit Wasmopolital Mixing Squad)

And produced in Detroit by Don St. Was, David St. Was & Jack Tann.

Slightly Smokey Robinson ish?

And I haven't a clue who they are?

P

Maybe it was a was , and not a not was

A really good record IMHO .........

For your consideration Pauline , the beef on Was , Not Was from wikipedia ........

Was (Not Was) is an eccentric pop group founded by David Weiss (a.k.a. David Was) and Don Fagenson (a.k.a. Don Was). They gained popularity in the 1980s and early 1990s.

Weiss and Fagenson were childhood friends who grew up together in suburban Detroit. Partly due to Fagenson's poverty they decided to form Was (Not Was) in 1979. The name of the band was derived from Fagenson's son Zane, who enjoyed contradicting words such as "Blue" with "Not Blue". Their first recording was "Wheel Me Out", a 12-inch dance record for the avant-garde ZE Records.

Their first album Was (Not Was) (1981) was an amalgam of rock, disco, Weiss's beat poetry, Reagan-era commentary, and jazz. On vocals they recruited Harry Bowens and "Sweet Pea" Atkinson, who proved to be distinctive, soulful front men, who frequently found themselves singing absurdist and satirical songs, alongside tender ballads. The MC5's Wayne Kramer, The Knack's Doug Fieger and Mingus trumpeter Marcus Belgrave were among the guest players.

In 1982 the group played on a rare solo album for lead singer "Sweet Pea" Atkinson called Don't Walk Away.

The eclectic Born to Laugh at Tornadoes (1983) had even more guest musicians, including Ozzy Osbourne rapping over electro, Mitch Ryder belting out a techno-rockabilly number, Mel Torm crooning an odd ballad about asphyxiation, and an abstract funk piece called "Man vs. the Empire Brain Building". Singer Donald Ray Mitchell joined the group as third lead vocalist.

In 1988 they found their biggest hit with the album What Up, Dog?, which featured the singles "Walk the Dinosaur" and "Spy in the House of Love". Special guests included Stevie Salas, John Patitucci, Frank Sinatra, Jr., and a writing credit for Elvis Costello. Artist/animator Christoph Simon created videos to accompany some of their songs, such as "What Up Dog?", "Dad I'm in Jail", and the Tom Waits-style "Earth to Doris". These appeared on MTV's Liquid Television and in various film festivals, including the Spike & Mike festival. About this time, the Was Brothers developed separate careers as producers, film scorers, and music supervisors.

The group followed up with Are You Okay? in 1990, spearheaded by a cover of "Papa Was a Rollin' Stone". Guest musicians included Iggy Pop, Leonard Cohen, The Roches, and Syd Straw. After a tour with Dire Straits in 1992 and a UK Top 5 single with "Shake Your Head" (vocals from Ozzy Osbourne and Kim Basinger), Weiss and Fagenson drifted apart and nothing was heard from the band but a compilation album Hello Dad... I'm in Jail. Some members, however, did appear on Don's Orquestra Was project Forever Is a Long Long Time (1997), which re-interpreted Hank Williams in a jazz/R&B vein.

In 1997, Steve Winwood released a tune which borrowed not just the title of Was (Not Was)'s single "Spy in the House of Love" but also the bass line and other elements. However, no lawsuits ensued (or were settled out of court).[citation needed]

In late 2004, Was (Not Was) reformed and were back on stage for a two-month club tour through the Northeast and East Coast of the US, as well as California, Missouri, Ohio, Illinois (including stops at the House of Blues in Cleveland and Chicago), Maryland, New York, and Pennsylvania (in the Trocadero in Philadelphia). In October 2005, they played four gigs at the Jazz Caf in London.

In 2008, they released their fifth studio album Boo!, featuring guest appearances from Kris Kristofferson, Wayne Kramer, Marcus Miller and Booker T. Jones, plus a song originally co-written with Bob Dylan nearly 20 years earlier.

Detroit's Metro Times described the band as "an endearing mess... ...a sausage factory of funk, rock, jazz and electronic dance music, all providing a boogie-down backdrop for a radical (and witty) political message of unbridled personal freedom and skepticism of authority."[1] On April 22, 2008, they performed on the British show Later... with Jools Holland, and on May 2, they were the musical guest on Late Night with Conan O'Brien.

Malc Burton

[paup-ine]

A really good record IMHO .........

For your consideration Pauline , the beef on Was , Not Was from wikipedia ........

Was (Not Was) is an eccentric pop group founded by David Weiss (a.k.a. David Was) and Don Fagenson (a.k.a. Don Was). They gained popularity in the 1980s and early 1990s.

Weiss and Fagenson were childhood friends who grew up together in suburban Detroit. Partly due to Fagenson's poverty they decided to form Was (Not Was) in 1979. The name of the band was derived from Fagenson's son Zane, who enjoyed contradicting words such as "Blue" with "Not Blue". Their first recording was "Wheel Me Out", a 12-inch dance record for the avant-garde ZE Records.

Their first album Was (Not Was) (1981) was an amalgam of rock, disco, Weiss's beat poetry, Reagan-era commentary, and jazz. On vocals they recruited Harry Bowens and "Sweet Pea" Atkinson, who proved to be distinctive, soulful front men, who frequently found themselves singing absurdist and satirical songs, alongside tender ballads. The MC5's Wayne Kramer, The Knack's Doug Fieger and Mingus trumpeter Marcus Belgrave were among the guest players.

In 1982 the group played on a rare solo album for lead singer "Sweet Pea" Atkinson called Don't Walk Away.

The eclectic Born to Laugh at Tornadoes (1983) had even more guest musicians, including Ozzy Osbourne rapping over electro, Mitch Ryder belting out a techno-rockabilly number, Mel Torm crooning an odd ballad about asphyxiation, and an abstract funk piece called "Man vs. the Empire Brain Building". Singer Donald Ray Mitchell joined the group as third lead vocalist.

In 1988 they found their biggest hit with the album What Up, Dog?, which featured the singles "Walk the Dinosaur" and "Spy in the House of Love". Special guests included Stevie Salas, John Patitucci, Frank Sinatra, Jr., and a writing credit for Elvis Costello. Artist/animator Christoph Simon created videos to accompany some of their songs, such as "What Up Dog?", "Dad I'm in Jail", and the Tom Waits-style "Earth to Doris". These appeared on MTV's Liquid Television and in various film festivals, including the Spike & Mike festival. About this time, the Was Brothers developed separate careers as producers, film scorers, and music supervisors.

The group followed up with Are You Okay? in 1990, spearheaded by a cover of "Papa Was a Rollin' Stone". Guest musicians included Iggy Pop, Leonard Cohen, The Roches, and Syd Straw. After a tour with Dire Straits in 1992 and a UK Top 5 single with "Shake Your Head" (vocals from Ozzy Osbourne and Kim Basinger), Weiss and Fagenson drifted apart and nothing was heard from the band but a compilation album Hello Dad... I'm in Jail. Some members, however, did appear on Don's Orquestra Was project Forever Is a Long Long Time (1997), which re-interpreted Hank Williams in a jazz/R&B vein.

In 1997, Steve Winwood released a tune which borrowed not just the title of Was (Not Was)'s single "Spy in the House of Love" but also the bass line and other elements. However, no lawsuits ensued (or were settled out of court).[citation needed]

In late 2004, Was (Not Was) reformed and were back on stage for a two-month club tour through the Northeast and East Coast of the US, as well as California, Missouri, Ohio, Illinois (including stops at the House of Blues in Cleveland and Chicago), Maryland, New York, and Pennsylvania (in the Trocadero in Philadelphia). In October 2005, they played four gigs at the Jazz Caf in London.

In 2008, they released their fifth studio album Boo!, featuring guest appearances from Kris Kristofferson, Wayne Kramer, Marcus Miller and Booker T. Jones, plus a song originally co-written with Bob Dylan nearly 20 years earlier.

Detroit's Metro Times described the band as "an endearing mess... ...a sausage factory of funk, rock, jazz and electronic dance music, all providing a boogie-down backdrop for a radical (and witty) political message of unbridled personal freedom and skepticism of authority."[1] On April 22, 2008, they performed on the British show Later... with Jools Holland, and on May 2, they were the musical guest on Late Night with Conan O'Brien.

Malc Burton

I knew you would come up with the goods

P

[Guest east rob]

Does Underworld - Harry Truman qualify?

P

underwater- harry thuman? Edited April 5, 2009 by east rob

[Pete S]

underwater- harry thuman?

You see what I mean Pauline?