phatspinner Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Can anyone give me any info on the following modern tracks. 1. Jimmy James and the Vagabonds Missing You. IMO this is a great modern track but I've never seen it mentioned or listed. It's on the mojem label, it's a 4 track ep and just to add to the mystery the label is on the wrong side so you have to play Loving you is easy. I guess it's a UK production, there's no date, number is BECK 857 which seemd odd in itself! 2. Jackie Wilson It only happens when I look at you. Appears to have been written by Golde and Denne who I seem to recall were UK writers for Real Thing etc. How did they come to write this for Jackie? Also to add to the mystery again, the copy I have is a Spanish Picture cover which lists Nobody but You as the title but the disc is It only Happens plus Where is Love. Initially I thought wrong sleeve but the number 00B521 is same on sleeve and disc. Also has sticker with date 10.3.66. on label but this can't be right can it ? 3. Finally, bit easier I think! Johnny Johnson and Bandwagon Strong Love Proud Love from 1974. It's a Biddu production anyone know it or rate it ? Was it issued in US ? So come on experts solve my mysteries ! Andy Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Liljimmycrank Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Not sure on these, but Johnny Johnson's flip of Honey Bee track, "i dont know why" is an amazing crossover tune! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Cunnie Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Hey up Andy Jackie Wilson 'It Only Happens' was also recorded as a UK only release by Delegation on State records. State was part of the MCA group so explains the JW connection. Always assumed JW was the 1st version but maybe not I guess. Delegation version quite nice as well & could do with a copy if anybody has a spare. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
phatspinner Posted March 13, 2009 Author Share Posted March 13, 2009 Not sure on these, but Johnny Johnson's flip of Honey Bee track, "i dont know why" is an amazing crossover tune! Yes no mystery there though, A side played at Torch I recall. Must have been a new release at the time though I doubt I knew it at the time! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
phatspinner Posted March 13, 2009 Author Share Posted March 13, 2009 Hey up Andy Jackie Wilson 'It Only Happens' was also recorded as a UK only release by Delegation on State records. State was part of the MCA group so explains the JW connection. Always assumed JW was the 1st version but maybe not I guess. Delegation version quite nice as well & could do with a copy if anybody has a spare. Hiya Martin Did the Jackie Wilson get a US release ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Cunnie Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Hiya Martin Did the Jackie Wilson get a US release ? Good question, can't ever recall seeing a US copy. Seem to see more UK demo's around than issues as well. Think the Jimmy James also had a European release in a picture cover as well, not sure which country though. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gasher Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Did the Jackie Wilson get a US release ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gasher Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 never seen it on UK issue..anyone got a scan ? gasher Good question, can't ever recall seeing a US copy. Seem to see more UK demo's around than issues as well. Think the Jimmy James also had a European release in a picture cover as well, not sure which country though. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sean Hampsey Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Can anyone give me any info on the following modern tracks. 1. Jimmy James and the Vagabonds Missing You. IMO this is a great modern track but I've never seen it mentioned or listed. It's on the mojem label, it's a 4 track ep and just to add to the mystery the label is on the wrong side so you have to play Loving you is easy. I guess it's a UK production, there's no date, number is BECK 857 which seemd odd in itself! Andy I have this Andy - it is in a pic sleeve (autographed by JJ) and is something that was only available at his gigs in the late 70's, therefore quite a rarity! Agree - "Missing You" is an OK tune that I played out a couple of times when I first got it... but haven't played in years. Sean Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Cunnie Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 I have this Andy - it is in a pic sleeve (autographed by JJ) and is something that was only available at his gigs in the late 70's, therefore quite a rarity! Agree - "Missing You" is an OK tune that I played out a couple of times when I first got it... but haven't played in years. Sean Bloody hell Sean. Saw Jimmy at St Philips club in Sheffield in the late 70's & he was selling tapes & some 7" records & didn't bother buying ow't. Live & learn eh! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
sepia Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 SURE I HAD A MAJORS VERSION ON UK MAGNET OF IT ONLY HAPPENS. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gasher Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Dont remember hearing you play that Sepia?? nice version..still love JW though so good we played it twice in 20 mins haha gasher Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
phatspinner Posted March 14, 2009 Author Share Posted March 14, 2009 (edited) Thanks everyone for the info so far, particularly Sean for info.re Jimmy James track, no wonder I couldn't track one down in any guide. Mine hasn't the pic sleeve, does Sean's copy also have the label on wrong side ? Still waiting for any info on the Johnny Johnson track and has anyone else got the Jackie Wilson in the Spanish pic sleeve who could confirm it's the same sleeve even though it qotes a different track on cover ? Edited March 14, 2009 by phatspinner Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sean Hampsey Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 Thanks everyone for the info so far, particularly Sean for info.re Jimmy James track, no wonder I couldn't track one down in any guide. Mine hasn't the pic sleeve, does Sean's copy also have the label on wrong side ? Yes mate, the labels are on the wrong side on mine. So.... what we have here is a 'Two known copy' - modern day Frank Wilson! Sean Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
phatspinner Posted March 14, 2009 Author Share Posted March 14, 2009 Yes mate, the labels are on the wrong side on mine. So.... what we have here is a 'Two known copy' - modern day Frank Wilson! Sean Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
phatspinner Posted March 14, 2009 Author Share Posted March 14, 2009 "Yes mate, the labels are on the wrong side on mine. So.... what we have here is a 'Two known copy' - modern day Frank Wilson! Sean" And Martin hasn't seen a third copy in someone's collection either !! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sean Hampsey Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 Hi Mate What was the flip side of the Aretha track LP only, Dave! The 'You' album from '75. Sean Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soulboy69 Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 LP only, Dave! The 'You' album from '75. Sean Great l.p. which also features the brilliant "Sha La Bandit" and worth buying just for the funky picture of Aretha on the cover Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Thorley Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 LP only, Dave! The 'You' album from '75. Sean Thanks for that Sean Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Cunnie Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 "Yes mate, the labels are on the wrong side on mine. So.... what we have here is a 'Two known copy' - modern day Frank Wilson! Sean" And Martin hasn't seen a third copy in someone's collection either !! Oh yes he has Picture below is of the copy I just won on e bay for a very modest fee Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sean Hampsey Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 Oh yes he has Picture below is of the copy I just won on e bay for a very modest fee So.... what we have here is a 'Three known copy' - modern day Frank Wilson! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
John Benson Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 Best make it a 'Four known copies' I'm sure I stuck one of those tracks on a tape for you back in the mid 80's I forget just which one it was tho' Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Cunnie Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 So.... what we have here is a 'Three known copy' - modern day Frank Wilson! All within about a 10 mile radius as well Sean. Might sell mine to a rich Scottish DJ though for an extortionate amount though Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Cunnie Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 Best make it a 'Four known copies' I'm sure I stuck one of those tracks on a tape for you back in the mid 80's I forget just which one it was tho' Bloody hell John, we're never going to get rich at this rate! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sean Hampsey Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 I'm sure I stuck one of those tracks on a tape for you back in the mid 80's You might have done John, but I don't recall. Had it for years. Have you got the picture cover and are the labels reversed on yours? Sean Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sean Hampsey Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 All within about a 10 mile radius as well Sean. That stands to reason Martin. He was living in Retford at the time and did loads of local clubs, around these parts, back then. Those that had them originally (pre eBay) got them from his local gigs. Stone rarity mate. Only 4 known copies. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
John Benson Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 (edited) I'm not so sure about the picture sleeve, or reversed sides, but if all the other copies are, then mine may well be also I do seem to think it came off a local market stall, so the fact that he was living around these parts at the time sounds about right I'll just go and see if I can find it .... Edited March 14, 2009 by John Benson Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Cunnie Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 That stands to reason Martin. He was living in Retford at the time and did loads of local clubs, around these parts, back then. Those that had them originally (pre eBay) got them from his local gigs. Stone rarity mate. Only 4 known copies. Sure I saw him sell 5 copies at St Philips as mentioned earlier. Here we go again Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
John Benson Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 Just checked a few likely boxes - but no luck there! I'll have to have another look later when I've more time and no-one around to nag at me for upsetting the house with boxes everywhere Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
John Benson Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 phatspinner said: 3. Finally, bit easier I think! Johnny Johnson and Bandwagon Strong Love Proud Love from 1974. It's a Biddu production anyone know it or rate it ? Was it issued in US ? Andy Hi Andy, This is the one you asked about - I knew I had it somewhere I was still looking for that Jimmy James EP when I came across it. (Still yet to 'find' Jimmy though - but I definately do have it... somewhere!) As you can see, it's another Biddu production and as far as I know, not released in the States. (The B side is "Fast running out of world") It's not really one of his better 45s on EMI, I much prefer "All the way" to this one. But that's just my opinion There was a thread on his 45s on here not all that long ago Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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phatspinner Posted March 18, 2009 Author Share Posted March 18, 2009 Thanks for all replies everyone on this somewhat South Yorks -centric thread. I hate mysteries and to tell the truth I'm still somewhat perturbed by the Marie Celeste so I'll be back with more in the near future ! Andy Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Cunnie Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Thanks for all replies everyone on this somewhat South Yorks -centric thread. I hate mysteries and to tell the truth I'm still somewhat perturbed by the Marie Celeste so I'll be back with more in the near future ! Andy Thanks for starting such an enjoyable thread Andy albeit a bit Gods own county biased The Jimmy James arrived today & can confirm that the labels are reversed so dread to think what will happen if I ever play it out after a few beers! Bit baffled as to what's getting played in the instrumental break in Missing You - sounds like 'Comb & Izal' to my ears What label's the Marie Celeste on mate Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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