Guest Posted March 16, 2009 Posted March 16, 2009 bit off track but are you the guy in 'myspace' that is everyones friend when they first open an account???? you look the model! just a familiar face!
Guest familytree Posted March 16, 2009 Posted March 16, 2009 just a familiar face! very familiar face... whats are you doing here?! ha.. whats the odds on that
Guest WPaulVanDyk Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 Well i see it like this. i collect vinyl and CD's. i even have a full IPod of Northern soul i listen to when i go out until inside the venues. Now i try and buy what i can on original record and if there is any song i really want i try and buy it on original vinyl. If i can't get the vinyl yet and find it on CD or have it on MP3 so be it that is a start. But if i was to DJ i would play original if i possibly can but sadly and i don't care what anyone says and shoot me for all i care but i would still play a re-issue of a song if i really liked it and wanted to play it since i may not be able to afford the original in the first place. I don't always have a desire to buy a record that is say £100 when i can buy loads of records for that price which are just as good. Same as playing if needed off an album will i be considered bad cause it's not from a single. Lastly what about tracks not on vinyl or more likely rare acetates how do you play them cause for me i would prob want it so bad on vinyl i get it carved as i did with 2 motown tracks and one DJ i know did play one side of it out as it was something different. just because a lot of soul snobs can prob afford lots of rare records you shouldn't look down on ones who can't afford them
TOAD Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 Well i see it like this. i collect vinyl and CD's. i even have a full IPod of Northern soul i listen to when i go out until inside the venues. Now i try and buy what i can on original record and if there is any song i really want i try and buy it on original vinyl. If i can't get the vinyl yet and find it on CD or have it on MP3 so be it that is a start. But if i was to DJ i would play original if i possibly can but sadly and i don't care what anyone says and shoot me for all i care but i would still play a re-issue of a song if i really liked it and wanted to play it since i may not be able to afford the original in the first place. I don't always have a desire to buy a record that is say £100 when i can buy loads of records for that price which are just as good. Same as playing if needed off an album will i be considered bad cause it's not from a single. Lastly what about tracks not on vinyl or more likely rare acetates how do you play them cause for me i would prob want it so bad on vinyl i get it carved as i did with 2 motown tracks and one DJ i know did play one side of it out as it was something different. just because a lot of soul snobs can prob afford lots of rare records you shouldn't look down on ones who can't afford them records need not cost the earth theres thousends to go at and many e bay bargins to be had as for second hand record shops, record fairs and lets not forget ...charity shops theres tunes out there just need to keep looking
Guest Trevski Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 (edited) what a badge like this.... n' poly's like these (and the vest is cotton too ) i may be unmasked but the faith i will still defend ! pete n' susan.... In York, No self-respecting Super Hero wouldn't be seen in anything other than leather soles. Pollivelts were considered Girls shoes........ Do they belong to Wonder Woman? Edited March 17, 2009 by Trevski
Godzilla Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 In York, No self-respecting Super Hero wouldn't be seen in anything other than leather soles. Pollivelts were considered Girls shoes........ Do they belong to Wonder Woman? Scruffy as well Back in the day it had to be a pair of Royal Brogues in my neck of the woods. None of the cheapy copies with that dotty band split into two either.
TOAD Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 last time i wore a vest was at infant school when did they become a fashion
Guest rachel Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 Deleted a few posts - please keep personal squabbles off the forum, thanks.
Guest Matt Male Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 (edited) dont think i condoned boots did i??? if its not o.v it doesnt mean the only other option is a boot!.... my point was there are d.js out there who work at their set and if they feel there is a void in their collection and a reissue fills it then so bloody what! an ov collector does not go hand in hand to being a d.j... yes in the majority of cases their passion, dedication and commitment to the scene guarentees a great set but not always, there is an art to d.jing believe it or not! you are basically saying if you dare to own a reissue your not a dedicated soulie, you havnt earned your badge of honour..bullshit! your right its not a personality contest but not an ego one either! saying that, as a prommoter you have the right to dictate what policy you want at your event.. so whats the problem? let the feet do the talking. But why would anyone play reissues at all when there are so many quality originals out there? It shows a lack of imagination and inventiveness to DJ with reissues. Not exactly what i'd call artistry in DJing. This scene was once all about sourcing original vinyl, listening to new sounds, being experimental and imaginative. It was exciting. It makes me really sad and a bit angry that it seems ok now to play any old format. Why did anyone ever bother sourcing and collecting original i ask myself if others come along and shit on the scene with their reissues and boots and CDs? It's got nothing to do with ego or snobbery or dedication either in my opinion. It's all about self respect and respect for the scene and the music. Everyone knows boots and reissues were played in the past so that isn't a new thing and plenty of well known DJs did it but it seems this scene has changed and split into two thesedays. I'm sure you enjoy listening to the sets by DJs playing reissues (and believe me those same DJs will also play boots) but to be honest i don't find them that interesting or imaginative. I'd rather listen to Killa for example and know he's put together a thoughtful and powerful set of originals without resorting to reissues because he can't think what to play next. Price isn't a factor either as he's currently playing Visitors - Lonely One Only Son which is a £10 record. Pure quality. Each to their own i suppose. Good luck Edited March 17, 2009 by Matt Male
Guest BigPaul Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 (edited) Was Darcyboy used as the model for this Casino Badge from the 70s? Just a stab in the dark thats all Edited March 17, 2009 by BigPaul
Guest Brett F Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 We seem to have been here a thousand times ; What sets the "Soul Scene" apart from virtually every other music culture for me is the aspect of playing original records (and in the full- on modern circles original cd's) the collecting ideal has always has it's elitism, and for me that keeps things fresh and exciting, I could care less if a record is a thousand pounds or a few quid, if it's any good then I want to hear it (and also would like the chance to own it....but I'm usually skint !) I was brought up on those very foundations, i.e.; it has to be an original. I count many friends who don't even collect, but have as much passion for the music as I, but the difference with those is that they fully understand the culture of the original vinyl ethic. Brett F
Reg Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 Maybe I'll pm Andy Dyson and ask him if I can dj at the next lifeline -I can put a set together to rival anybody...if I can include cds, mp3s etc I went to a Christmas do a fews months ago and a faceless man sat there in front of a laptop playing random tracks....it gave a new meaning to the "office" party. I've heard that there are some NS events that do the same-is this a myth? I don't think you get it if you think it's okay to play non original format at a rare/northern soul event, I really don't...sorry
Guest Matt Male Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 (edited) I don't know why i bother getting into arguments about originals vs. other formats. At the end of the day there are two scenes and there are a few people who care about originals and many who don't. Lets just stick to our ovo venues and let them stick to their any format venues and never the twain shall meet i say. Sad but true. Edited March 17, 2009 by Matt Male
Guest gordon russell Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 Was Darcyboy used as the model for this Casino Badge from the 70s? Just a stab in the dark thats all yeh thats a picture taken of me after l was run over after a night sleep walking,still got my vest and jimmy jams on
Guest Byrney Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 In York, No self-respecting Super Hero wouldn't be seen in anything other than leather soles. Pollivelts were considered Girls shoes........ Do they belong to Wonder Woman? Confession time but I had a pair in the 70s, but so did everyone at school - regardless of into soul or not. School shoes IMO and good for kicking a tennis ball around on the play ground; but blummin ugly as a moose's tush
Ian Parker Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 (edited) I've been asked to do a spot at a local night (soon). I have at my disposal some originals, some boots and a couple of 'carves', classics, underplayed and early transitional tunes . are you all telling me that i can only play the originals ?? idiots all of you that say i should !! if i play a CD i dont really think the punters will come up (as proven) and give me an ear holing because of it. Snobs is a fitting word, music first, format second . the thread title pretty much sums it up Edited March 17, 2009 by IanP
Stevie Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 I've been asked to do a spot at a local night (soon). I have at my disposal some originals, some boots and a couple of 'carves', classics, underplayed and early transitional tunes . are you all telling me that i can only play the originals ?? idiots all of you that say i should !! if i play a CD i dont really think the punters will come up (as proven) and give me an ear holing because of it. If it suits the venue, then fine..............personally speaking I choose my venues more carefully
Guest Trevski Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 (edited) Confession time but I had a pair in the 70s, but so did everyone at school - regardless of into soul or not. School shoes IMO and good for kicking a tennis ball around on the play ground; but blummin ugly as a moose's tush Cornish Pasties, we used to call 'em. The most popular ones, if popular is the right word, had a raised seam that ran from where the big toe was, round one side only, hence the likening to the lovely meaty Cornish treat! Edited March 17, 2009 by Trevski
Guest Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 (edited) Maybe I'll pm Andy Dyson and ask him if I can dj at the next lifeline -I can put a set together to rival anybody...if I can include cds, mp3s etc I went to a Christmas do a fews months ago and a faceless man sat there in front of a laptop playing random tracks....it gave a new meaning to the "office" party. I've heard that there are some NS events that do the same-is this a myth? I don't think you get it if you think it's okay to play non original format at a rare/northern soul event, I really don't...sorry Serious question: The 'not getting it' statement - do you consider those that get carvers done and play them out to fall in that category; even if they tell you they own the orig? I ask as there does not seem to be a categorical imperitive to what is and what is not 'allowed' - you only have to read this thread to see the contridictions. Also, another forum gave a great example of the contridictions: An event advertised OVO. The organiser (DJ) played a reissue as a request. On his 'playlist' that he posted up he included the reissue. Another person who is VERY, VERY, VERY anti anything but OVO (DJ) posts a comment to say that it was acceptable because the DJ owned up to playing it on a forum. My impression is that sometimes it comes across as if it depends who you are as to what you are allowed to play & most of the time it is DJ's who have the beef with anything other than OVO. It does make me wonder why Are they trying to 'protect' something other than 'the scene' and/or a set of 'beliefs'? Edited March 17, 2009 by mikecook
KevH Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 Was Darcyboy used as the model for this Casino Badge from the 70s? Just a stab in the dark thats all looks like he's about to mount a moped
Guest Trevski Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 (edited) Serious question: Are they trying to 'protect' something other than 'the scene' and/or a set of 'beliefs'? Collecting is collecting, be it vinyl or anything else. If you collect something you want the real thing. When I started out, Wheel and Torch boys drummed it into me, "Only buy originals" Well, it stuck but hey, I only buy original anything What's the point of sporting a fake Breitling or Rolex? Hanging a fake Monet on the wall? Wearing fake 'Label' clothing? No point whatsoever, exept that the fake owner almost manages to convince themselves it's the real thing! If you can't get/can't afford the real deal, do without! If envy of what you can't have drives you to owning cheap copies of the real thing, not only is it sad, but the only one they are really fooling is themselves; like bootleg players, in some back-street pub, fooling themselves they are actually a Northern Soul D.J...... Edited March 17, 2009 by Trevski
Hermanthegerman Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 Collecting is collecting, be it vinyl or anything else. If you collect something you want the real thing. When I started out, Wheel and Torch boys drummed it into me, "Only buy originals" Well, it stuck but hey, I only buy original anything What's the point of sporting a fake Breitling or Rolex? Hanging a fake Monet on the wall? Wearing fake 'Label' clothing? No point whatsoever, exept that the fake owner almost manages to convince themselves it's the real thing! If you can't get/can't afford the real deal, do without! If envy of what you can't have drives you to owning cheap copies of the real thing, not only is it sad, but the only one they are really fooling is themselves, like bootleg players, in some back-street pub, fooling themselves they are actually a Northern Soul D.J...... Completely agree!
Tricky Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 I've been asked to do a spot at a local night (soon). I have at my disposal some originals, some boots and a couple of 'carves', classics, underplayed and early transitional tunes . are you all telling me that i can only play the originals ?? idiots all of you that say i should !! if i play a CD i dont really think the punters will come up (as proven) and give me an ear holing because of it. Snobs is a fitting word, music first, format second . the thread title pretty much sums it up I am a snob.I uphold to the true ideals of this scene.OVO.You are the idiot my friend.In reality playing boots should at least get you a fine,if not your bloody head chopped off.
Russ Vickers Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 I've been asked to do a spot at a local night (soon). I have at my disposal some originals, some boots and a couple of 'carves', classics, underplayed and early transitional tunes . are you all telling me that i can only play the originals ?? idiots all of you that say i should !! if i play a CD i dont really think the punters will come up (as proven) and give me an ear holing because of it. Snobs is a fitting word, music first, format second . the thread title pretty much sums it up If you have any self respect, yes...........are you blind. Russ
Mark B Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 Well i see it like this. i collect vinyl and CD's. i even have a full IPod of Northern soul i listen to when i go out until inside the venues. Now i try and buy what i can on original record and if there is any song i really want i try and buy it on original vinyl. If i can't get the vinyl yet and find it on CD or have it on MP3 so be it that is a start. But if i was to DJ i would play original if i possibly can but sadly and i don't care what anyone says and shoot me for all i care but i would still play a re-issue of a song if i really liked it and wanted to play it since i may not be able to afford the original in the first place. I don't always have a desire to buy a record that is say £100 when i can buy loads of records for that price which are just as good. Same as playing if needed off an album will i be considered bad cause it's not from a single. Lastly what about tracks not on vinyl or more likely rare acetates how do you play them cause for me i would prob want it so bad on vinyl i get it carved as i did with 2 motown tracks and one DJ i know did play one side of it out as it was something different. just because a lot of soul snobs can prob afford lots of rare records you shouldn't look down on ones who can't afford them Off topic but i see you are headline dj'ng at a night in manchester Good luck. mark
Godzilla Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 I am a snob.I uphold to the true ideals of this scene.OVO.You are the idiot my friend.In reality playing boots should at least get you a fine,if not your bloody head chopped off. Possibly the most over the top post I've seen on here Keep up the good work.
KevH Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 The next time i have the honour,and i mean honour,to be asked to do a spot,i'll put it all on cd and send my mother along to press the buttons. Same thing ,no?. Of course i'm only joking.I will have my butler there to carry my box tho'.
Ged Parker Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 I've been asked to do a spot at a local night (soon). I have at my disposal some originals, some boots and a couple of 'carves', classics, underplayed and early transitional tunes . are you all telling me that i can only play the originals ?? idiots all of you that say i should !! if i play a CD i dont really think the punters will come up (as proven) and give me an ear holing because of it. Snobs is a fitting word, music first, format second . the thread title pretty much sums it up You can play what you like as long as the promotor is OK with it he's employing you. Peoples own perspective will dictate whether or not they respect you for it. Calling them an idiot won't help. I have moderated my views on this somewhat over the years. I want to be true to myself. You be true to yourself do what you believe is right and I hope the punter like it. I also hope that enough material keeps being found to keep the scene alive because if anyone can play anything on any format the feeling I had this weekend of the hairs on the back of my neck standing up when hearing Mello Souls, Hank Hodge, Eddie Billups etc at Prestatyn will be gone forever and they'll all become as mundane and run of the mill as Frank Wilson. If you can't see that, I question your definition of an idiot.
Guest Andy Kempster Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 Serious question: The 'not getting it' statement - do you consider those that get carvers done and play them out to fall in that category; even if they tell you they own the orig? I ask as there does not seem to be a categorical imperitive to what is and what is not 'allowed' - you only have to read this thread to see the contridictions. Also, another forum gave a great example of the contridictions: An event advertised OVO. The organiser (DJ) played a reissue as a request. On his 'playlist' that he posted up he included the reissue. Another person who is VERY, VERY, VERY anti anything but OVO (DJ) posts a comment to say that it was acceptable because the DJ owned up to playing it on a forum. My impression is that sometimes it comes across as if it depends who you are as to what you are allowed to play & most of the time it is DJ's who have the beef with anything other than OVO. It does make me wonder why Are they trying to 'protect' something other than 'the scene' and/or a set of 'beliefs'? think you'll find that was me that played the reissue, it was doni burdick (but is it really a reissue, having never previously been issued, another thread/category entirely me thinks) it was steve guarnori who mentioned it, on the night, standing right next to me, laughing in that way that only steve can, i dont care you can name names if you like, in fact perhaps there should be more of it....
Guest Trevski Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 Well i see it like this. i collect vinyl and CD's. i even have a full IPod of Northern soul i listen to when i go out until inside the venues. Now i try and buy what i can on original record and if there is any song i really want i try and buy it on original vinyl. If i can't get the vinyl yet and find it on CD or have it on MP3 so be it that is a start. But if i was to DJ i would play original if i possibly can but sadly and i don't care what anyone says and shoot me for all i care but i would still play a re-issue of a song if i really liked it and wanted to play it since i may not be able to afford the original in the first place. I don't always have a desire to buy a record that is say £100 when i can buy loads of records for that price which are just as good. Same as playing if needed off an album will i be considered bad cause it's not from a single. Lastly what about tracks not on vinyl or more likely rare acetates how do you play them cause for me i would prob want it so bad on vinyl i get it carved as i did with 2 motown tracks and one DJ i know did play one side of it out as it was something different. just because a lot of soul snobs can prob afford lots of rare records you shouldn't look down on ones who can't afford them Why not? 99.9% of expensive records originally cost peanuts until someone found them and played 'em out. Playing a boot takes the p**s out of those that put in all the hard work finding 'em, and those that later, had the luck, or money to buy 'em. I can't afford a fraction of what I want, but I don't resort to boots or fakes of any anything, and don't envy those more fortunate. I'll probably never own an Aston Martin, but I can dream, until then, I'm not gonna paint my car British racing green and superglue an Aston badge on it..... "Them that's got shall get, them that's not shall lose, so the bible said, and it still is news. Pappa may have, Momma may have, but God bless the child that's got his own" So get your own, or do without!
Guest sarahleen Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 I love the music to joan,not mad keen on the r&b thats started to get played a few years ago so i went down the more modern side of it ,and maybe im a bit to old for modern? just like what i like .in a ideal world we would all like a pot of gold to spend on records ,that dont mean i love the music any less than some one who can afford to lash out £1000000000000 on one record . its ok but it can seem to drag on a bit after a while
Guest Brett F Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 Well i see it like this. i collect vinyl and CD's. i even have a full IPod of Northern soul i listen to when i go out until inside the venues. Now i try and buy what i can on original record and if there is any song i really want i try and buy it on original vinyl. If i can't get the vinyl yet and find it on CD or have it on MP3 so be it that is a start. But if i was to DJ i would play original if i possibly can but sadly and i don't care what anyone says and shoot me for all i care but i would still play a re-issue of a song if i really liked it and wanted to play it since i may not be able to afford the original in the first place. I don't always have a desire to buy a record that is say £100 when i can buy loads of records for that price which are just as good. Same as playing if needed off an album will i be considered bad cause it's not from a single. Lastly what about tracks not on vinyl or more likely rare acetates how do you play them cause for me i would prob want it so bad on vinyl i get it carved as i did with 2 motown tracks and one DJ i know did play one side of it out as it was something different. just because a lot of soul snobs can prob afford lots of rare records you shouldn't look down on ones who can't afford them You say yourself that you can buy a load of records for £100...Exactly, plenty of cheap and fantastic tracks, basically if you haven't got it then don't play it..............Why play re-issues of exremely rare records, where is the kudos in that ?. Do yourself a favour (and get some respect) by searching for those obscure cheaper tunes.there are THOUSANDS of them........ Can't believe i've got involved in this.............Get me some Guinness i need a drink. Brett F
Sean Hampsey Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 Get me some Guinness i need a drink. Brett F Murphys not good enough Brett? Happy St Patricks Day Think I'll join ya! Sean
Guest Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 Collecting is collecting, be it vinyl or anything else. If you collect something you want the real thing. When I started out, Wheel and Torch boys drummed it into me, "Only buy originals" Well, it stuck but hey, I only buy original anything What's the point of sporting a fake Breitling or Rolex? Hanging a fake Monet on the wall? Wearing fake 'Label' clothing? No point whatsoever, exept that the fake owner almost manages to convince themselves it's the real thing! If you can't get/can't afford the real deal, do without! If envy of what you can't have drives you to owning cheap copies of the real thing, not only is it sad, but the only one they are really fooling is themselves; like bootleg players, in some back-street pub, fooling themselves they are actually a Northern Soul D.J...... editing my post like that makes it a completely different question - not the ORIGINAL question I asked at all is it Trevski Aslo I would like to point out that your imanginary perception on 'envy' is complete nonsense if it is directed at me. I can own any record I like; as I said in an earlier post, I buy for my own enjoyment at home - as for DJ'ing with non orig that is up to the organiser (please see previous post). Envy/Ego/Imaginary perceptions Whatever is going on with you & your reply to my post, I would like to respond by saying - One of the gigs I put on I was not going to include me in the line-up (my suggestion) so that we could get someone who is more 'up-front'; but it was suggested that I should do a spot for the work I put into orgainsing & advertising the gig. I took the suggestion on in the same way, as I said in an earlier post, we all played OVO on the night. I love the music - it is the superior, condesending atitutes that keeps me away from the 'scene'.
Guest Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 think you'll find that was me that played the reissue, it was doni burdick (but is it really a reissue, having never previously been issued, another thread/category entirely me thinks) it was steve guarnori who mentioned it, on the night, standing right next to me, laughing in that way that only steve can, i dont care you can name names if you like, in fact perhaps there should be more of it.... no mate - it was someone else playing Frank Beverly - request for someones birthday no need for me to name names - It is the principles I am talking about, not individuals
Guest Andy Kempster Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 no mate - it was someone else playing Frank Beverly - request for someones birthday no need for me to name names - It is the principles I am talking about, not individuals should have kept my mouth shut the eh mike
Guest familytree Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 But why would anyone play reissues at all when there are so many quality originals out there? It shows a lack of imagination and inventiveness to DJ with reissues. Not exactly what i'd call artistry in DJing. This scene was once all about sourcing original vinyl, listening to new sounds, being experimental and imaginative. It was exciting. It makes me really sad and a bit angry that it seems ok now to play any old format. Why did anyone ever bother sourcing and collecting original i ask myself if others come along and shit on the scene with their reissues and boots and CDs? It's got nothing to do with ego or snobbery or dedication either in my opinion. It's all about self respect and respect for the scene and the music. Everyone knows boots and reissues were played in the past so that isn't a new thing and plenty of well known DJs did it but it seems this scene has changed and split into two thesedays. I'm sure you enjoy listening to the sets by DJs playing reissues (and believe me those same DJs will also play boots) but to be honest i don't find them that interesting or imaginative. I'd rather listen to Killa for example and know he's put together a thoughtful and powerful set of originals without resorting to reissues because he can't think what to play next. Price isn't a factor either as he's currently playing Visitors - Lonely One Only Son which is a £10 record. Pure quality. Each to their own i suppose. Good luck you make your point very elloquently and i truly understand what you are saying, i respect the history believe me.. my life has been dominated by soul music, i am surrounded by thousands upon thousands of ov. of course as a collector of ov it has to be just that but as a d.j i think it can be relaxed surely, so long as the ethos is there.. as ive aid if there is a tune you would like to play to compliment your set thats a reissue then so be it.. respect should not be lost because of it. boots are a different story and i have never condoned them...i think your nights of rare soul/ov are in a different league where its dominated by collectors on the decks sharing their finds, a record collectors night out? so perhaps i have my wires crossed. a night out is a night out to me and my mind isnt dominated with such worries as to whether its a reissue or not... does this make me less of a soulie? i beg to differ!...some people in here reply with such venom its impossible to debate. they act like we dont know are music or its history and have no place in commenting unless we agree whole heartedly and its an insult.... i dont refer to you when i say this, you make a good arguement and i can feel your passion so respect .
Spanner Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 No one is restricted by playing OVO. What are you on about? There are literally hundreds of thousands of quality 45s on original vinyl under £50. If a DJ cannot put together an original and interesting set without resorting to boots then they are a f**king idiot and don't deserve to be calling themselves a DJ. They should feeling inferior because they bloody well are. I can't believe what i'm hearing that it's ok to play boots as long as they've got a good DJ personality. It's not Radio 1 £50 for a record ,just to be a dj lol ,sooner pay a £ for a boot [ 50 boots ]
Guest gordon russell Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 The next time i have the honour,and i mean honour,to be asked to do a spot,i'll put it all on cd and send my mother along to press the buttons oh well, your mum will be saved a trip then
Guest Trevski Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 editing my post like that makes it a completely different question - not the ORIGINAL question I asked at all is it Trevski Aslo I would like to point out that your imanginary perception on 'envy' is complete nonsense if it is directed at me. I can own any record I like; as I said in an earlier post, I buy for my own enjoyment at home - as for DJ'ing with non orig that is up to the organiser (please see previous post). Envy/Ego/Imaginary perceptions Whatever is going on with you & your reply to my post, I would like to respond by saying - One of the gigs I put on I was not going to include me in the line-up (my suggestion) so that we could get someone who is more 'up-front'; but it was suggested that I should do a spot for the work I put into orgainsing & advertising the gig. I took the suggestion on in the same way, as I said in an earlier post, we all played OVO on the night. I love the music - it is the superior, condesending atitutes that keeps me away from the 'scene'. I was answering the highlighted question bit at the end of your post, about protecting and nothing was aimed at you, personally or otherwise. It was a comment about my thoughts in general about playing boots, and applies to all who do, and no-one in particular. Scenario: I play a boot of say, the Mello Souls. The dancefloor fills, do the punters think "What a fine fellow for playing that" do I think "Arn't I a fine fellow for filing the floor" do I put it back in my box and think "Some mug paid £1000's for that and I paid £15" and go merrily on my way? I'm sure a lot who play boots do just that, but for me, the guilt of doing that would crush me. Even if no-one else knew, I would, and couldn't have a shred of self respect, knowing I had played a cheap copy of something someone had paid a fortune for, I would feel like a twat, and for what? 2:30 mins of music to a full floor, when a cheap original record would have done the same thing. Thats the difference between bootleg DJ's and OVO purists. The OVO purist care. Not what anyone else thinks, but how they feel themselves. It's called Integrity If thats superior, condescending, snobbish, then I'm glad to be one. End of.
Guest gordon russell Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 I've been asked to do a spot at a local night (soon). I have at my disposal some originals, some boots and a couple of 'carves', classics, underplayed and early transitional tunes . are you all telling me that i can only play the originals ?? idiots all of you that say i should !! if i play a CD i dont really think the punters will come up (as proven) and give me an ear holing because of it. Snobs is a fitting word, music first, format second . the thread title pretty much sums it up why would you want to dj ....without any tunes and why would someone ask ya.Thats the problem these days people get asked to dj cause they're a nice bloke or whatever.A good promoter friend of mine told me that he keeps asking fellas with great collections of tunes to dj for him and they say "Nah! can't be bothered ",then he gets the most amount of phone calls from twats who can't even be bothered to attend his venue,asking if they can dj,best of it is these guys never have any tunes or a bloody clue,so when he turns em down,they get the arse
Guest Matt Male Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 you make your point very elloquently and i truly understand what you are saying, i respect the history believe me.. my life has been dominated by soul music, i am surrounded by thousands upon thousands of ov. of course as a collector of ov it has to be just that but as a d.j i think it can be relaxed surely, so long as the ethos is there.. as ive aid if there is a tune you would like to play to compliment your set thats a reissue then so be it.. respect should not be lost because of it. boots are a different story and i have never condoned them...i think your nights of rare soul/ov are in a different league where its dominated by collectors on the decks sharing their finds, a record collectors night out? so perhaps i have my wires crossed. a night out is a night out to me and my mind isnt dominated with such worries as to whether its a reissue or not... does this make me less of a soulie? i beg to differ!...some people in here reply with such venom its impossible to debate. they act like we dont know are music or its history and have no place in commenting unless we agree whole heartedly and its an insult.... i dont refer to you when i say this, you make a good arguement and i can feel your passion so respect . Thanks for that You're right at the end of the day it's not life and death (i hope not anyway) . This will sound like a contradiction and probably hypocritical but i think it is possible to enjoy a night out that isn't OVO and have a bloody good dance as well. The Coop in Nuneaton is not OVO and i attend every one (and not just because Mark is a mate). I certainly don't think dancing to reissues or CDs is the problem and i'd never be so pompous to suggest anyone was less of a soulie because they dance to reissues (i do myself). My only problem is the DJing side of things. Personally it's OVO all the way for me (and i've got a very mediocre collection by the way ) and probably don't even consider myself a DJ, just a bloke who wants to share some different and underplayed sounds. So far we've had nothing but praise for the music policy at Move On. I just think part of that success is because we stressed OVO from the start. Cheers Matt
Guest gordon russell Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 I was answering the highlighted question bit at the end of your post, about protecting and nothing was aimed at you, personally or otherwise. It was a comment about my thoughts in general about playing boots, and applies to all who do, and no-one in particular. Scenario: I play a boot of say, the Mello Souls. The dancefloor fills, do the punters think "What a fine fellow for playing that" do I think "Arn't I a fine fellow for filing the floor" do I put it back in my box and think "Some mug paid £1000's for that and I paid £15" and go merrily on my way? I'm sure a lot who play boots do just that, but for me, the guilt of doing that would crush me. Even if no-one else knew, I would, and couldn't have a shred of self respect, knowing I had played a cheap copy of something someone had paid a fortune for, I would feel like a twat, and for what? 2:30 mins of music to a full floor, when a cheap original record would have done the same thing. Thats the difference between bootleg DJ's and OVO purists. The OVO purist care. Not what anyone else thinks, but how they feel themselves. It's called Integrity If thats superior, condescending, snobbish, then I'm glad to be one. End of. hey trevski...you can't have or use the word INTEGRITY on this scene it's like winning the pools it's summat other folk have or do
TOAD Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 if you carnt find an hours worth of music ovo to pack a floor you shouldnt even be let near the decks
Guest Trevski Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 hey trevski...you can't have or use the word INTEGRITY on this scene it's like winning the pools it's summat other folk have or do you would think so, sometimes! To me, its like Class, or Style, you can't buy it, "You either got, or you haven't got..." as the song goes.
Guest familytree Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 I don't know why i bother getting into arguments about originals vs. other formats. At the end of the day there are two scenes and there are a few people who care about originals and many who don't. Lets just stick to our ovo venues and let them stick to their any format venues and never the twain shall meet i say. Sad but true. the twain shall always meet... we love the same music! ... just not all hung up on having to dance/listen to ov when out.. simple...... (nothing is ever simple.. sigh) i have a theory that collectors have to hold these beliefs so ademently to justify their addiction and it is an addiction i dont care what you say..can any collector on here honestly say they havnt sacrificed something or even someone for their obsession in their lifetime as a collector, has it cost you the breakdown of a relationship?? or have you bought v when you really couldnt afford to do so at the exspense of others close to them... because you just had to have it? answers on a postcard! peace x
Guest Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 (edited) the twain shall always meet... we love the same music! ... just not all hung up on having to dance/listen to ov when out.. simple.... .. (nothing is ever simple.. sigh) i have a theory that collectors have to hold these beliefs so ademently to justify their addiction and it is an addiction i dont care what you say..can any collector on here honestly say they havnt sacrificed something or even someone for their obsession in their lifetime as a collector, has it cost you the breakdown of a relationship?? or have you bought v when you really couldnt afford to do so at the exspense of others close to them... because you just had to have it? answers on a postcard! peace x I'll reply here - It will save the cost of postcard and stamp - I need the money to go toward another record Edited March 17, 2009 by mikecook
Guest Brett F Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 (edited) Why not totally divide the forum forever, those who believe in original format (whatever it came out on.) and those who don't give a F*** what it comes on...... But.... if you're in one camp you can't be a part of the others threads.................. Glad I know which side of the fence I'm on............... Edited March 17, 2009 by Brett F
Guest andrew bin Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 Why not totally divide the forum forever, those who believe in original format (whatever it came out on.) and those who don't give a F*** what it comes on...... But.... if your in one camp you can't be a part of the others threads.................. Glad I know which side of the fence I'm on............... if it came out on album only then play the album if it was only ever released on cd then play the cd although i haven't got any thing against people that run these hand bagger type of nights that play cd's pressings etc, horses for courses
Steve L Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 Why not totally divide the forum forever, those who believe in original format (whatever it came out on.) and those who don't give a F*** what it comes on...... But.... if you're in one camp you can't be a part of the others threads.................. Glad I know which side of the fence I'm on............... Great idea, its two totally separate scenes anyway, and its like groundhog day reading these threads over and over again. You have to be a sad bastard to keep reading them all Lets cast out all the heathens for ever........................... Long live the beautiful people
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