Northern Soul Snob's

[Guest bazrico]

im 53 and i startedgoin when i was 16 is that long enough ?

nah just a young lad you need to get a few more years under your belt

[Guest Trevski]

im 53 and i startedgoin when i was 16 is that long enough ?

If that's the case, then you should know enough to know what's what; regarding this question, and stop provoking stupid arguments. Virtually everything you have posted here is like a big, fat contentious worm on a hook, waiting for a bite.

Edited March 16, 2009 by Trevski

[Guest bazrico]

If that's the case, then you should know enough to know what's what; regarding this question, and stop provoking stupid arguments.

he might be 53 but still young at heart or even mind

[Jumpinjoan]

he might be 53 but still young at heart or even mind

Although it's questionable whether that badge on the jacket in his avatar was there when the photo was taken

[Guest soulboy]

so what are you saying ? im not in your club because i dont agree with what you say ,im not trying to wind anyone up. what is the point of having a forum if you cant have your own ideas about things. I got in to this music because it was different , I know what i like and dont like i dont see any thing wrong in that. you dont know me ,you know nothing about me so why slag off my photo ?

Edited March 16, 2009 by soulboy

[Jumpinjoan]

so what are you saying ? im not in your club because i dont agree with what you say ,im not trying to wind anyone up. what is the point of having a forum if you cant have your own ideas about things. I got in to this music because it was different , I know what i like and dont like i dont see any thing wrong in that.

Who are you talking to?

[Jumpinjoan]

you know nothing about me so why slag off my photo ?

That has got to be the funniest thing I have ever read on here. Pmsl!

[Jumpinjoan]

so what are you saying ? im not in your club because i dont agree with what you say ,im not trying to wind anyone up. what is the point of having a forum if you cant have your own ideas about things. I got in to this music because it was different , I know what i like and dont like i dont see any thing wrong in that. you dont know me ,you know nothing about me so why slag off my photo ?

So you are talking to me.

For a start you have had no ideas of your own that I can see. Just the same old stupid questions that get posted on here on a weekly basis.

But you are right I don't know you. And as for slagging your photo....

[Guest bazrico]

so what are you saying ? im not in your club because i dont agree with what you say ,im not trying to wind anyone up. what is the point of having a forum if you cant have your own ideas about things. I got in to this music because it was different , I know what i like and dont like i dont see any thing wrong in that. you dont know me ,you know nothing about me so why slag off my photo ?

Ok i have been since the 1966/7 i can't believe what you are saying and YES i know alot of lads from Shrews bury borne in Woore grew up in the stoke on Trent area and yes you can have your say but please tone down the attitude.

Your replay's seem to be from a novice not some one who as been around for a number of years

[Billywhizz]

so what are you saying ? im not in your club because i dont agree with what you say ,im not trying to wind anyone up. what is the point of having a forum if you cant have your own ideas about things. I got in to this music because it was different , I know what i like and dont like i dont see any thing wrong in that. you dont know me ,you know nothing about me so why slag off my photo ?

soul badge looked original keep the faith last 70's ken cox's label. Billy

[Guest soulboy]

So you are talking to me.

For a start you have had no ideas of your own that I can see. Just the same old stupid questions that get posted on here on a weekly basis.

But you are right I don't know you. And as for slagging your photo....

if its a stupid question why reply? and if my photo made you smile thats a good thing ,

[Jumpinjoan]

if its a stupid question why reply? and if my photo made you smile thats a good thing ,

I suppose when you love something as much as I do you just can't help yourself.

And yes, you made me laugh out loud. And that is a very good thing.

[Modernsoulsucks]

Sorry Rod what you are saying is Utter Bollocks IMO-

Ive got amate in the Us who has this new thing - I get abootleg done/ carver cos I cant be arsed looking for it. Is that acceptable - NO! and never should be.

Even if its oldies it should be original cos thats what they were when they were new things that was driving it forward.

Im a total snob where this is concerend ! No Im just someone who believes on the originality of how this scene came about and continue to keep that way - so to speak.

I wasn't really thinking of carvers in connection with oldies nights. No one gets a carver do they of something that's already booted or re-issued. Getting carvers of current sounds is obviously a no-no but it's nothing new unless I imagined all those Emidiscs back in the 70's.

Im not sure where this obsession with oldies originated but I'd guess Mr M's. I don't think the records played in there were all originals so there is no OVO history with that part of the scene.

I'd say if anybody dj-ing is pissed off when someone plays a boot or re-issue of a 45 on your playlist then maybe it's time to look at your own box cos obviously you need to refresh.

As for telling people that they're some kinda second class soul fan cos OVO plays no part in their thinking it's condescending and patronising. There's a multiple of choices available so I'd have thought avoiding the venues where anything goes is enough without also demonising anyone involved from promoter down to clientelle.

ROD

[Citizen P]

surely its quite simple

if you dont care whether you are playing originals or not, then get back round the other side of the decks and listen to people that do care....i'll get me coat!

Damn Right!

And, why do people, who ain't got no originals,don't know anybody with originals think that it is OK to start yet another night of "Classics".

Oh, and I'll come with ya.

Tony

[Guest gordon russell]

If you are listening to records at home fair enough.

Anyone at a venue playing records to punters should be playing originals... or they shouldn't be up there.

thats the point joan..........the folk running their little local venue who slap the back of anyone just to get a spot,they play boots cause they neither have the nounce,the knowledge,the desire or the PASSION for this music.They would sell their soul to the devil just to get behind the decks,whatever it takes they'll do it.They run their little venues........but do you see em out and about at other larger venues....NO and to me that speaks volumes,how can you not want to go to places like lifeline,barnsley and all the other venues that are rocking the soul scene.........the answers easy they don't like the music full stop,anyone who does want to go to the more upfront venues....are simply labelled SOUL SNOBS and ELITIST

[Guest]

I would not play bingo either........but I may be tempted to play Beano (that's bingo in its orig format for those who didn't know)

[Guest soulboy]

I suppose when you love something as much as I do you just can't help yourself.

And yes, you made me laugh out loud. And that is a very good thing.

I love the music to joan,not mad keen on the r&b thats started to get played a few years ago so i went down the more modern side of it ,and maybe im a bit to old for modern? just like what i like .in a ideal world we would all like a pot of gold to spend on records ,that dont mean i love the music any less than some one who can afford to lash out £1000000000000 on one record .

[Guest BigPaul]

but your not answering it, your replying thats not an answer, so if some bloke down the street won zillions on the bingo and buys frank wilson for whatever to start dj'ing cos you can only play the original ,and people are going to want him to dj so they can hear that record that makes him a good dj then?

You really should get out more

Try the local Bingo Hall for starters

[Guest soulmaguk]

I love the music to joan,not mad keen on the r&b thats started to get played a few years ago so i went down the more modern side of it ,and maybe im a bit to old for modern? just like what i like .in a ideal world we would all like a pot of gold to spend on records ,that dont mean i love the music any less than some one who can afford to lash out £1000000000000 on one record .

I like that amount, one billion pounds...ooohhaaaa, Dont worry soul.boy, everyone gets a kickin' off jumpin joan every now and then. I only play OVO, dont consider myself a soul snob in any way, if other folk do consider me as one, are they the snobs thenselves?

[Guest soulboy]

I like that amount, one billion pounds...ooohhaaaa, Dont worry soul.boy, everyone gets a kickin' off jumpin joan every now and then. I only play OVO, dont consider myself a soul snob in any way, if other folk do consider me as one, are they the snobs thenselves?

god i wish id never asked it now my head hurts !

[davidwapples]

ovo only

id rather listen to a set of records that cost £5 each and were mainly rubbish in my opinion than a hour of boots of classics

even if the dj played records i didnt like i would still appreciate that he had taken time to find them and then organise his set list without resorting to the easy method of carvers or boots

if playing carvers is going to be acceptable i can have margaret little , king moses , joseph webster , lil major williams and a host of others done by the weekend if anyone will pay me to dj :D

[Ernie Andrews]

I wasn't really thinking of carvers in connection with oldies nights. No one gets a carver do they of something that's already booted or re-issued. Getting carvers of current sounds is obviously a no-no but it's nothing new unless I imagined all those Emidiscs back in the 70's.

Im not sure where this obsession with oldies originated but I'd guess Mr M's. I don't think the records played in there were all originals so there is no OVO history with that part of the scene.

I'd say if anybody dj-ing is pissed off when someone plays a boot or re-issue of a 45 on your playlist then maybe it's time to look at your own box cos obviously you need to refresh.

As for telling people that they're some kinda second class soul fan cos OVO plays no part in their thinking it's condescending and patronising. There's a multiple of choices available so I'd have thought avoiding the venues where anything goes is enough without also demonising anyone involved from promoter down to clientelle.

ROD

Well lets throw all this OVO in the bucket then cos Thats what our cousins were doing years back and the reason we got hooked onto it.

What was the reason we liked this stuff as opposed to mainstream soul - eg Three degrees/ Mac & katie Cassoon - George macrae etc Quite simple - It was bloody great and not readily available - It was our clique and you felt proud of it. IT was OVO then and it should be now. The boots werent done for the Djs they were done for the masses cos cds werent around.

Maybe I have a different view than others cos I worked in the business for a time (Global etc) But what is embarrasing is people buying represses Boots carvers - running a soul night and expecting them to be considered on the same platform as me (AND IM a league 2 DJ)

I have a lightweight collection compared to lots of people even in my area but at least I can play a set without reverting to a boot or repress just to fill the dance floor. I can do an excellent set of oldies If I want at these oldies nights. I just choose not to.

So I still disagree with you Rod cos if its only about what it sounds like to the punters on the dance floor we might as well just crawl into a corner and give up.! However I will spend my time looking /searching for that excellent record I can try in my next set and feel Ive done agood days work rather than just buy boots and try to make out Im abloody good DJto the masses.

[mrs soul]

SOUL SNOBS and ELITIST

THATS ME AND PROUD OF IT

[Spanner]

If you are listening to records at home fair enough.

Anyone at a venue playing records to punters should be playing originals... or they shouldn't be up there.

Why not ,most of the punters are not bothered about originals or boots or cds

[John Elias]

Why not ,most of the punters are not bothered about originals or boots or cds

must be the ones that care about handbags then

[Guest Byrney]

well Byrney.. do you know us by sight? ( i left my cape at home and just wore a vest lol )

Can't say I do but AWWWW Casper lad you've unmasked!! Defenders of the faith just don't do that. You won't catch the rare soul ram raider unmasked. No sireee

BTW, that vest is out of step and does not fit with the strict baggie authenticity test, egads it should be cotton and adorned with patch of glorious colour. Therefore I shall have no truck with you sir. I beseech you begone. Nurse - where's me polys?

[Guest Trevski]

Why not ,most of the punters are not bothered about originals or boots or cds

Sweeping generalization there Span'. Most punters? I know more punters go to 'oldies do's' than upfront, but then do all oldies punters not give a damn? I would hazard a tentative guess that the majority of 'upfront & rarities' punters expect 100% OVO, so add those to the oldie-goers that do care, and I find it hard to agree with 'most'.

Edited March 16, 2009 by Trevski

[Ted Massey]

Why not ,most of the punters are not bothered about originals or boots or cds

That is probably the horrible truth

[mrs soul]

That is probably the horrible truth

BECAUSE WE AINT AN UNDERGROUND SCENE ANYMORE PERHAPS?

[Guest familytree]

i think you have to consider just exactly what a d.j is.... on any scene! i dont think you qualify just because your a collector of o.v, far from it! you have to know what your punters want, read the crowd, play new releases you think they would enjoy...entertain! and if you can do that you qualify in my book, what ever your puttin on the turn table....

keep o.v collectors seperate to d.js.... unless they are d.js which many are but equally many are not!.. boring the punter with their collection is self endulgent imo.... its insane to limit who qualifys as a d.j by o.v.. and very controlling.

[Guest Soultown andy]

There are now that many nites being run every week this shouldnt be an issue,those that dont or more to the point cant spin ovo shouldnt be booked by venues that advertise ovo.And most who prefer ovo only should easily be able to tell the venues that are ovo only, by the dj lineup.

Edited March 16, 2009 by Soultown andy

[Guest familytree]

There are now that many nites being run every week this shouldnt be an issue,those that dont or more to the point cant spin ovo shouldnt be booked by venues that advertise ovo.And most who prefer ovo only, should easily be able to tell the venues that are ovo only by the dj lineup.

a simple solution... sorted! common sense privails

[Gasher]

."..the folk running their little local venue who slap the back of anyone just to get a spot,they play boots cause they neither have the nounce,the knowledge,the desire or the PASSION for this music.They would sell their soul to the devil just to get behind the decks,whatever it takes they'll do it."

darcyboy...........

well said that man.

gasher

Edited March 16, 2009 by GASHER

[Baz Atkinson]

i think you have to consider just exactly what a d.j is.... on any scene! i dont think you qualify just because your a collector of o.v, far from it! you have to know what your punters want, read the crowd, play new releases you think they would enjoy...entertain! and if you can do that you qualify in my book, what ever your puttin on the turn table....

keep o.v collectors seperate to d.js.... unless they are d.js which many are but equally many are not!.. boring the punter with their collection is self endulgent imo.... its insane to limit who qualifys as a d.j by o.v.. and very controlling.

Boring the punter particulary in relation to ovo at upfront dos very rarely happens ,like minds and a sense of history and community see that point off.Are you reffering to the rare soul scene here? Oh and how can you seperate ov collectors to djs,most good ones do both remember its a passion first and dj is a bolt on imo.

As for who qulaifies i cant quite crasp that argument I do know that there is a good plethora of djs who grace upfront venues who can play fresh sets if your good youll get asked back etc etc.IMO its all about ov and those who are fortunate enough to play at the more upfromt dos usually have a sense of respect from most punters and their peers imo.

I also think that letting djs have cart blanch at venues just does not happen as most upfront venues have a certian flavour to their sound and playlist.

baz a

[Guest Soultown andy]

."..the folk running their little local venue who slap the back of anyone just to get a spot,they play boots cause they neither have the nounce,the knowledge,the desire or the PASSION for this music.They would sell their soul to the devil just to get behind the decks,whatever it takes they'll do it."

darcyboy...........

well said that man.

gasher

hundred per cent right but these venues never last long.

[Baz Atkinson]

."..the folk running their little local venue who slap the back of anyone just to get a spot,they play boots cause they neither have the nounce,the knowledge,the desire or the PASSION for this music.They would sell their soul to the devil just to get behind the decks,whatever it takes they'll do it."

darcyboy...........

well said that man.

gasher

yep i agree and im pleased at last that alot of people have come out and supported the ovo argument,ive kept quiet too long on this issue,keep the oldies retro debate in the local community hall/pub and let the upfront soul scene move on remember we still have the best djs ,vitality and still set the pace and trends,not bad for a scene thats 40+ years old.

BAZ A

[Guest gordon russell]

most upfront venues that l go to the djs sweat buckets before their sets,sweat buckets during their sets and worry like f**k if they feel they may have played an iffy spot......it's because they actually care about entertaining the attendees.In contrast most oldies only venues have only to play one big oldie after another and that will guarantee a good response

[Guest familytree]

Boring the punter particulary in relation to ovo at upfront dos very rarely happens ,like minds and a sense of history and community see that point off.Are you reffering to the rare soul scene here? Oh and how can you seperate ov collectors to djs,most good ones do both remember its a passion first and dj is a bolt on imo.

As for who qulaifies i cant quite crasp that argument I do know that there is a good plethora of djs who grace upfront venues who can play fresh sets if your good youll get asked back etc etc.IMO its all about ov and those who are fortunate enough to play at the more upfromt dos usually have a sense of respect from most punters and their peers imo.

I also think that letting djs have cart blanch at venues just does not happen as most upfront venues have a certian flavour to their sound and playlist.

baz a

[Guest soulboy]

i think you have to consider just exactly what a d.j is.... on any scene! i dont think you qualify just because your a collector of o.v, far from it! you have to know what your punters want, read the crowd, play new releases you think they would enjoy...entertain! and if you can do that you qualify in my book, what ever your puttin on the turn table....

keep o.v collectors seperate to d.js.... unless they are d.js which many are but equally many are not!.. boring the punter with their collection is self endulgent imo.... its insane to limit who qualifys as a d.j by o.v.. and very controlling.

best answer so far !

[Guest]

How about O.P.O. (Original People Only), as this is the true problem. Far too many cookie cutters more than happy to play whatever others have already been playing for years. Even if that means having to carver up a tune with fake labels, a bootleg OR paying a ridiculous price for a record just have that big tune so-and-so made big. The problem is lack of imagination and fragile egos, a horrible combination!!

No one who truly does their own thing and truly loves soul music could be called a snob for their passion. These people are usually far too humble for that as they put the music first and foremost above their own ego.....

[Baz Atkinson]

Boring the punter particulary in relation to ovo at upfront dos very rarely happens ,like minds and a sense of history and community see that point off.Are you reffering to the rare soul scene here? Oh and how can you seperate ov collectors to djs,most good ones do both remember its a passion first and dj is a bolt on imo.

As for who qulaifies i cant quite crasp that argument I do know that there is a good plethora of djs who grace upfront venues who can play fresh sets if your good youll get asked back etc etc.IMO its all about ov and those who are fortunate enough to play at the more upfromt dos usually have a sense of respect from most punters and their peers imo.

I also think that letting djs have cart blanch at venues just does not happen as most upfront venues have a certian flavour to their sound and playlist.

baz a

yes i take your point to some degree.. i just think soulies with a passion for the music and perhaps a talent for d.jing should not be excluded just because they havnt been able to get everything they want to play on ov... he may be able to put together a great set and should be allowed to do so without feeling inferior... but yes these things/places should be established and if ov is the criteria at a certain venue then that is the promotors right i guess x

Cant speak for people feeling inferior never felt that the unwritten principles of earning a bit respect from your peers before been given the pleasure of spinning a few tunes to me is the rare soul scene ,its not snobbery its a sense of beloning and in a way a affirmation that the crowd you intend to play to respect the fact that yuve worked your bollocks off trying to find a few new tunes on a scene that has never suffered fools and seldom gives compliments.

BAZ A

[Guest Matt Male]

yes i take your point to some degree.. i just think soulies with a passion for the music and perhaps a talent for d.jing should not be excluded just because they havnt been able to get everything they want to play on ov... he may be able to put together a great set and should be allowed to do so without feeling inferior... but yes these things/places should be established and if ov is the criteria at a certain venue then that is the promotors right i guess x

No one is restricted by playing OVO. What are you on about? There are literally hundreds of thousands of quality 45s on original vinyl under £50. If a DJ cannot put together an original and interesting set without resorting to boots then they are a f**king idiot and don't deserve to be calling themselves a DJ.

They should feeling inferior because they bloody well are.

I can't believe what i'm hearing that it's ok to play boots as long as they've got a good DJ personality. It's not Radio 1

Edited March 16, 2009 by Matt Male

[Gasher]

No one who truly does their own thing and truly loves soul music could be called a snob for their passion. These people are usually far too humble for that as they put the music first and foremost above their own ego.....

[Gasher]

There are literally hundreds of thousands of quality 45s on original vinyl under £50. If a DJ cannot put together an original and interesting set without resorting to boots then they are a f**king idiot and don't deserve to be calling themselves a DJ.

They should feeling inferior because they bloody well are.

I can't believe what i'm hearing that it's ok to play boots as long as they've got a good DJ personality. It's not Radio 1

[NEV]

best answer so far !

DOE'S IT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THEN??

Just i thought your question asked "what is a northern soul snob"??

For me this term is one bandied about ,usually by people, who feel threatened by those who have ,knowledge , passion and patience for the scene .

One thing that always bugs me regarding the ovo issue is, there are plenty of people only too keen to say ovo ,there are plenty of people who don't collect records but attend venues ,who say they don'y care what medium they hear it on..but just how many people have you EVER seen on here, who openly state they play bootleg or re-issues at venues???

If they don't think theyre doing anything to feel guilty of,why do they skulk away and stay silent!

I for one don't care if someone wants to run a venue playing non ov ,but just wish theyd be honest and upfront about it.

I have some good friends on the scene ,who collect and play re-issues ,i don't give them a hard time over it,it's entirely their choice .

[Phild]

most upfront venues that l go to the djs sweat buckets before their sets,sweat buckets during their sets and worry like f**k if they feel they may have played an iffy spot......it's because they actually care about entertaining the attendees.In contrast most oldies only venues have only to play one big oldie after another and that will guarantee a good response

But surely by "guaranteeing a good response" they are "entertaining the attendees"?

Nothing wrong with big oldies (a lot of 'em anyway) to my mind. As long as they are vinyl (or styrene) originals.

Phil

[Guest familytree]

No one is restricted by playing OVO. What are you on about? There are literally hundreds of thousands of quality 45s on original vinyl under £50. If a DJ cannot put together an original and interesting set without resorting to boots then they are a f**king idiot and don't deserve to be calling themselves a DJ.

They should feeling inferior because they bloody well are.

I can't believe what i'm hearing that it's ok to play boots as long as they've got a good DJ personality. It's not Radio 1

dont think i condoned boots did i??? if its not o.v it doesnt mean the only other option is a boot!.... my point was there are d.js out there who work at their set and if they feel there is a void in their collection and a reissue fills it then so bloody what! an ov collector does not go hand in hand to being a d.j... yes in the majority of cases their passion, dedication and commitment to the scene guarentees a great set but not always, there is an art to d.jing believe it or not! you are basically saying if you dare to own a reissue your not a dedicated soulie, you havnt earned your badge of honour..bullshit! your right its not a personality contest but not an ego one either! saying that, as a prommoter you have the right to dictate what policy you want at your event.. so whats the problem? let the feet do the talking.

[Casper]

Can't say I do but AWWWW Casper lad you've unmasked!! Defenders of the faith just don't do that. You won't catch the rare soul ram raider unmasked. No sireee

BTW, that vest is out of step and does not fit with the strict baggie authenticity test, egads it should be cotton and adorned with patch of glorious colour. Therefore I shall have no truck with you sir. I beseech you begone. Nurse - where's me polys?

what a badge like this.... n' poly's like these (and the vest is cotton too )

i may be unmasked but the faith i will still defend !

pete n' susan....

Edited March 16, 2009 by casper

[Guest soulboy]

DOE'S IT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THEN??

Just i thought your question asked "what is a northern soul snob"??

For me this term is one bandied about ,usually by people, who feel threatened by those who have ,knowledge , passion and patience for the scene .

One thing that always bugs me regarding the ovo issue is, there are plenty of people only too keen to say ovo ,there are plenty of people who don't collect records but attend venues ,who say they don'y care what medium they hear it on..but just how many people have you EVER seen on here, who openly state they play bootleg or re-issues at venues???

If they don't think theyre doing anything to feel guilty of,why do they skulk away and stay silent!

I for one don't care if someone wants to run a venue playing non ov ,but just wish theyd be honest and upfront about it.

I have some good friends on the scene ,who collect and play re-issues ,i don't give them a hard time over it,it's entirely their choice .

I honestly didnt think the question i asked in the first place would get this reaction ,the girl who used it to me seemed to be on about playing a record that some one had asked for ,some thing may be more handbaggy ,my topic seems to have run away with its self a little ?

[Guest familytree]

How about O.P.O. (Original People Only), as this is the true problem. Far too many cookie cutters more than happy to play whatever others have already been playing for years. Even if that means having to carver up a tune with fake labels, a bootleg OR paying a ridiculous price for a record just have that big tune so-and-so made big. The problem is lack of imagination and fragile egos, a horrible combination!!

No one who truly does their own thing and truly loves soul music could be called a snob for their passion. These people are usually far too humble for that as they put the music first and foremost above their own ego.....

bit off track but are you the guy in 'myspace' that is everyones friend when they first open an account???? you look the model!