Get Over It

[Barry]

As purchasing Northern of late has gotten us all OCD whereby you get all obsessive about how many times your vinyl actually comes into contact with a stylus and all that shit.

You know wherbey you buy a record on the basis that it 'is okay to dj with' (?????)

I read this as I read the prawn sandwich brigade:

It seems that you either have to be that 'hard' or that financially secure to actually 'play' your records on this scene today.

Stop it off lads.

We all know that we have gone out of our way to obtain these tracks, we all know what we are able to do with our records...so, lets stop wanking each other off and admit the only sensible thing to do with our 'record collections' (cos that's what they are these days, just bad tattoos), is preserve them for the bloke you would like to be's perusal.

Don't play 'em, just keep 'em in a box and feel good about that bloke that shows interest in one of 'em.

Copy the feckers, play em and stop giving it the big machismo angle.

Make sense?

I honestly don't believe there's an argument against that,

[Barry]

You know that is a fecking blinder of a question

[Epic]

Barry The vinyl versus CD - MP3 - Memory Stick - Download - Laptop - Wax Cylinder has been done to death on Soul Surce & here are the conclusions - there are two answers :-

1) OVO Only.

2) Don't care what it is played on.

Here endeth the debate.

[KevH]

You know that is a fecking blinder of a question

What was the question Barry?.All this talk of wanking and tattoos,are you on the right forum?

[Stevie]

Think your early morning posts were better

[ajb]

all records i buy/collect are recorded to CD nowadays, so i can play them in the car, work, or were ever.

i'm with epic on this, original vinyl only for the northern scene.

always as been (in alot of places anyway ), always should be

although, i've noticed a lot of (not all, but i'm no expert**) new modern soul comes on CD only

so maybe, it should be original format only, for the future

alan

** maybe it comes on 12" in vinyl form

[paup-ine]

all records i buy/collect are recorded to CD nowadays, so i can play them in the car, work, or were ever.

although, i've noticed a lot of (not all, but i'm no expert**) new modern soul comes on CD only

so maybe, it should be original format only, for the future

alan

** maybe it comes on 12" in vinyl form

Of course it will all be that way..

P

[Epic]

all records i buy/collect are recorded to CD nowadays, so i can play them in the car, work, or were ever.

i'm with epic on this, original vinyl only for the northern scene.

always as been (in alot of places anyway ), always should be

although, i've noticed a lot of (not all, but i'm no expert**) new modern soul comes on CD only

so maybe, it should be original format only, for the future

alan

** maybe it comes on 12" in vinyl form

These days on the more modern side of things tunes are sometimes only ever available as a download & never make it commercially on to cd or vinyl.

[NEV]

As purchasing Northern of late has gotten us all OCD whereby you get all obsessive about how many times your vinyl actually comes into contact with a stylus and all that shit.

You know wherbey you buy a record on the basis that it 'is okay to dj with' (?????)

I read this as I read the prawn sandwich brigade:

It seems that you either have to be that 'hard' or that financially secure to actually 'play' your records on this scene today.

Stop it off lads.

We all know that we have gone out of our way to obtain these tracks, we all know what we are able to do with our records...so, lets stop wanking each other off and admit the only sensible thing to do with our 'record collections' (cos that's what they are these days, just bad tattoos), is preserve them for the bloke you would like to be's perusal.

Don't play 'em, just keep 'em in a box and feel good about that bloke that shows interest in one of 'em.

Copy the feckers, play em and stop giving it the big machismo angle.

Make sense?

I honestly don't believe there's an argument against that,

You been at the sherry Barry

[Mace]

As purchasing Northern of late has gotten us all OCD whereby you get all obsessive about how many times your vinyl actually comes into contact with a stylus and all that shit.

You know wherbey you buy a record on the basis that it 'is okay to dj with' (?????)

I read this as I read the prawn sandwich brigade:

It seems that you either have to be that 'hard' or that financially secure to actually 'play' your records on this scene today.

Stop it off lads.

We all know that we have gone out of our way to obtain these tracks, we all know what we are able to do with our records...so, lets stop wanking each other off and admit the only sensible thing to do with our 'record collections' (cos that's what they are these days, just bad tattoos), is preserve them for the bloke you would like to be's perusal.

Don't play 'em, just keep 'em in a box and feel good about that bloke that shows interest in one of 'em.

Copy the feckers, play em and stop giving it the big machismo angle.

Make sense?

I honestly don't believe there's an argument against that,

So why have a vinyl record on a deck as your avatar and club promo logo?

Maybe it has more credibity than a similar one of a CD/Laptop would have.

Oh the irony..........

[Guest Mrs Simsy]

This may be a stupid question but does vinyl wear out eventually? It just occured to me that obviously these records are 40+ years old. Does that mean that the younger generation will have to make pressings/carvers etc to continue to play on vinyl in years to come or will it just switch to cd/mp3 & all that jazz?

P.S I'm part of the OVO brigade!

[Simsy]

I know Steve G has said he had carvers done of some of his rarer pieces for preservation purposes.

[Paulb]

You tell em Bazza lad.

[KevH]

This may be a stupid question but does vinyl wear out eventually? It just occured to me that obviously these records are 40+ years old. Does that mean that the younger generation will have to make pressings/carvers etc to continue to play on vinyl in years to come or will it just switch to cd/mp3 & all that jazz?

P.S I'm part of the OVO brigade!

It does.Usually on the knees and elbows first.

[Rich B]

I know Steve G has said he had carvers done of some of his rarer pieces for preservation purposes.

As my Bernie Wiliams and Billy Woods got worse I had some high quality photocopy labels made and stuck on bootlegs for "playing out". I always carries the originals to prove I had them though!

Now I couldn't care less what format they are, just as long as I can put them on my ipod...

regards,

RB

[Dave Abbott]

As my Bernie Wiliams and Billy Woods got worse I had some high quality photocopy labels made and stuck on bootlegs for "playing out". I always carries the originals to prove I had them though!

in that case, just play them on cd...

[Guest kev such]

OVO. Credibilty and the great deilight in playing the flip on OV and finding an equally good if not better tune than the one you bought it for.

Kev

Cream Cracker 21st March.

DJ's. Johnny Red Pants, Dr Pickles, Martin Stanford, Molly, Marky Mole, Alan Leighton (30 minute punter spot) and Kev Such

7.30pm to 2am. £4.00 OTD.

Playing 60's Northern, RnB and Early Crossover

Edited March 12, 2009 by kev such

[Jellybean]

OVO. Credibilty and the great deilight in playing the flip on OV and finding an equally good if not better tune than the one you bought it for.

Kev

Cream Cracker 21st March.

DJ's. Johnny Red Pants, Dr Pickles, Martin Stanford, Molly, Marky Mole, gus (30 minute punter spot) and Kev Such

7.30pm to 2am. £4.00 OTD.

Playing 60's Northern, RnB and Early Crossover

[Mark R]

I know Steve G has said he had carvers done of some of his rarer pieces for preservation purposes.

But why have carvers done??.....a copy's a copy.......might ya just as well put it on CD???

Seems bizarre, no

Cheers,

Mark R

[Ian Dewhirst]

This may be a stupid question but does vinyl wear out eventually? It just occured to me that obviously these records are 40+ years old. Does that mean that the younger generation will have to make pressings/carvers etc to continue to play on vinyl in years to come or will it just switch to cd/mp3 & all that jazz?

P.S I'm part of the OVO brigade!

Yes, vinyl wears out eventually and yes, future generations will have no choice but to play music files as all the decent copies of O.V. will be worn out by then plus styli won't be available anymore........

Ian D

[Guest bazabod_downunder]

Couldn't agree more, of course vinyl will wear out eventually, but it'd have to be hammered to do so, providing you have a good copy to start with (sometimes hard), a quality stylus that's changed regularly, there shouldn't be many problems, let's be honest tunes come & go in popularity, some are always going to be played or revitalised, but unless you're playing it every night a few times it should last longer than your lifespan.

There's nothing sadder than either buying or finding a class record that looks like it's been on the bottom of somebodys shoe for a while.

As for CD's...they have their place but at an event it has to be vinyl, cast your mind back, I know that after travelling 350+ miles to Wigan (or any other venue) to hear a DJ play a track from the 70's equivalent of a CD, namely a cassette tape, I'd be pretty pissed off & so would the vast majority of others, the DJ would've been hung, drawn, quartered & left out for the birds with his credibilty been torn to shreds.

This scene has been built on the blood, sweat & tears of many DJ's, collectors that have done the hard yards to obtain those rare (& not so rare) sounds......I will concede that it's a tad easier these days with 'tinternet & that has taken some of the fun out of it.

Of course all these rare records by long forgotten artists could be remixed, revamped put on a CD & sold at your local flea market or 5 & dime so every numpty could have a copy.....but of course that's already been done.

BTW Kev, look after Johnny, we want him back.

KTF

Baz

OVO. Credibilty and the great deilight in playing the flip on OV and finding an equally good if not better tune than the one you bought it for.

Kev

Cream Cracker 21st March.

DJ's. Johnny Red Pants, Dr Pickles, Martin Stanford, Molly, Marky Mole, Gus (30 minute punter spot) and Kev Such

7.30pm to 2am. £4.00 OTD.

Playing 60's Northern, RnB and Early Crossover

[Steve G]

But why have carvers done??.....a copy's a copy.......might ya just as well put it on CD???

Seems bizarre, no

Cheers,

Mark R

Well yes Mark except a lot of northern venues don't have CD players. Have only really put acetates and a couple of cover ups onto carvers....the acetates are the real problem as they do deteriorate esp. with some of the knitting needle styli you see at certain venues

Steve

[Guest wrighty]

Well yes Mark except a lot of northern venues don't have CD players. Have only really put acetates and a couple of cover ups onto carvers....the acetates are the real problem as they do deteriorate esp. with some of the knitting needle styli you see at certain venues

Steve

but why take a chance on any venue's (knitting) needles steve when for the price of a cheapie you can buy and take your own?

[ImberBoy]

When I go to a venue I expect the DJ to play original vinyl and he expects me to pay with real money.

If he is playing CD's then I expect to get in with monopoly money.

[Steve G]

but why take a chance on any venue's (knitting) needles steve when for the price of a cheapie you can buy and take your own?

A good point Ian.....I still rely on the promotor to 'do the right thing' Some of them do to be fair.

[Steve G]

If he is playing CD's then I expect to get in with monopoly money.

Spot the CD.....

Edited March 10, 2009 by Steve G

[Guest wrighty]

A good point Ian.....I still rely on the promotor to 'do the right thing' Some of them do to be fair.

yeah some do...but the old 'oh they're fine - only changed em a 'coupla weeks' ago mate' line is much more the norm

Edited March 10, 2009 by wrighty

[Mark R]

Well yes Mark except a lot of northern venues don't have CD players.

Steve

Of course, I do understand you might be catering for such an eventuality Mr G !

Cheers,

Mark R

[Guest kev such]

BTW Kev, look after Johnny, we want him back.

KTF

Baz

Dont worry Baz, we'll take good care of him mate.

Kev

[Steve G]

Of course, I do understand you might be catering for such an eventuality Mr G !

Cheers,

Mark R

Funny story here, when I first got the Mario Biondi CD the first three gigs I was on at, I couldn't play it.......Steve

[viphitman]

I think Northern Soul Djs should sing a capella only!!!!!

A.C.O.A aka. People with an hermeneutic principle or ''What a lovely voice''

By the way my ovo#s (very old) are fine, while some of my cds started to rust a bit (20 years of age) ?!

I do live in a dry house!!!

O.V.O.A aka P.(eople) with S.(oul) or ''Every Record Tells a Story''

I always like the example with an art gallery......

[davidwapples]

makes me laugh when people say they have acetates cut to protect the sound of rare records , more like to protect their investment

pay ££££ for a record / acetate , pay 20 quid for a carver , play the carver but have original in box incase soul police ask.

can still sell the original again on after a while as condition has not worsened

[Guest]

makes me laugh when people say they have acetates cut to protect the sound of rare records , more like to protect their investment

pay ££££ for a record / acetate , pay 20 quid for a carver , play the carver but have original in box incase soul police ask.

can still sell the original again on after a while as condition has not worsened

...And it makes me laugh that some people have acetates cut, play them out at gigs, yet still voice the opinion that it should be OVO

hyp⋅o⋅crite

noun

1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.

2. a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

Edited March 12, 2009 by mikecook

[Steve G]

makes me laugh when people say they have acetates cut to protect the sound of rare records , more like to protect their investment

pay ££££ for a record / acetate , pay 20 quid for a carver , play the carver but have original in box incase soul police ask.

can still sell the original again on after a while as condition has not worsened

Hooorray - you get it!

[Guest]

When these DJ's play at gigs, I wonder if Imberboy could get away with photocopying a fiver and paying on the door with that? He could always say that he has a real one in his pocket

[ImberBoy]

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Modernsoulsucks]

...And it makes me laugh that some people have acetates cut, play them out at gigs, yet still voice the opinion that it should be OVO

Easily remedied if you do away with the OVO policy, a lot of which revolves around "willy-waving" and in it's place substitute "fresh and different". I don't really think the format in a club is that important.

With a strict OVO policy then of course Steve G shouldn't play carvers but if he is featuring lesser known stuff then it's entirely up to him how he presents it to the crowd.

Im guessing he's shelling out quite a bit of cash for these 45s and would not want to risk them on dodgy equipment.

ROD

[Paul-s]

When I go to a venue I expect the DJ to play original vinyl and he expects me to pay with real money.

If he is playing CD's then I expect to get in with monopoly money.

That says it ALL...SPOT ON. Cant even believe this is being discussed. F--k cds! If your 45s too worn out, dont play it at all. I have battered rarities, but would NEVER carve them. Misses the whole point of original vinyl.

On the carving basis, I could pick up a totally battered copy of an extremely rare record that doesn't play and then get a sound file, cd or friends copy, carve it, play it out and say "BUT look I have the original". What a con.

There is also a practice where peole own the original, carve it, photo copy the label (looks good in semi light of venues) and sell the original on! BUT, continue playing the carve!

B-llocks to all that OVO.

[Jumpinjoan]

There is also a practice where peole own the original, carve it, photo copy the label (looks good in semi light of venues) and sell the original on! BUT, continue playing the carve!

B-llocks to all that OVO.

Do people really do that Paul?

That's disgraceful!

[Simon M]

Do people really do that Paul?

That's disgraceful!

yeah some of the best known NS DJ's do it Joan !

[Paul-s]

yeah some of the best known NS DJ's do it Joan !

Thats the truth. So, maybe more of us should go up and have a look when a V rare tunes on. Its a totlly dishonest practice and these guys should just not be booked any more...should be retired , just as they have retired their vinyl. I dont give a flying f--k what they 'Once' owned.

Edited March 12, 2009 by paul-s

[Modernsoulsucks]

When I go to a venue I expect the DJ to play original vinyl and he expects me to pay with real money.

If he is playing CD's then I expect to get in with monopoly money.

That says it ALL...SPOT ON. Cant even believe this is being discussed. F--k cds! If your 45s too worn out, dont play it at all. I have battered rarities, but would NEVER carve them. Misses the whole point of original vinyl.

On the carving basis, I could pick up a totally battered copy of an extremely rare record that doesn't play and then get a sound file, cd or friends copy, carve it, play it out and say "BUT look I have the original". What a con.

There is also a practice where peole own the original, carve it, photo copy the label (looks good in semi light of venues) and sell the original on! BUT, continue playing the carve!

B-llocks to all that OVO.

Agree with your final two paragraphs although completely unaware of "pooling" practice.

Thing is though I could bore you to death with my OVO as no doubt could many others which is why I think the emphasis should be on the "newer" aspect rather than the format. You wouldn't be playing newer stuff on CD anyway unless I guess it was some previously unreleased thing. Adey plays carvers but I suppose he drops the track when it gets released on Kent CD or 45 to make way for next addition to playlist.

Unfortunately it's not 1975 anymore and our more cavaliar attitude to the actual records has gone. I think that's a shame as it does seem more of a business rather than a pleasure.

I was reminded of this reading Manny results. Imagined conversation at Wigan

"Have you got Salvadors,mate"

" Yes, the 1.09 mm version"

WTF is that about!!

ROD

[pikeys dog]

I don't understand anyones need to play CDs.

For me they are now equal to playing a track off of a C60 cassette.

Ok for throwing in the CD player in the car, but completely lacking in atmosphere.

They can't replace that feeling you get as you pull a record from it's sleeve, gently wipe any dust off, carefully place it on the turntable and lower the needle onto the groove.. the first couple of seconds of gentle crackle, or the sound of the stylus riding the groove, then Wham... the music hits you.

[KevH]

Thats the truth. So, maybe more of us should go up and have a look when a V rare tunes on. Its a totlly dishonest practice and these guys should just not be booked any more...should be retired , just as they have retired their vinyl. I dont give a flying f--k what they 'Once' owned.

i agree paul.

btw,iv'e got a print of the Mona Lisa if anyone want to pay to look at it,,,,,fook the Louvre .

[Paul-s]

i agree paul.

btw,iv'e got a print of the Mona Lisa if anyone want to pay to look at it,,,,,fook the Louvre .

[Benji]

I don't understand anyones need to play CDs.

For me they are now equal to playing a track off of a C60 cassette.

Ok for throwing in the CD player in the car, but completely lacking in atmosphere.

They can't replace that feeling you get as you pull a record from it's sleeve, gently wipe any dust off, carefully place it on the turntable and lower the needle onto the groove.. the first couple of seconds of gentle crackle, or the sound of the stylus riding the groove, then Wham... the music hits you.

You're playing Wham 45s at venues? What's the most popular one "wake me up before you go-go"?

Seriously, playing a vinyl record gives a haptic experience you just don't get from CDs. Period.

[Mark S]

Cd,s boots acetates copys of all kind have no provenance and no place in the NS scene . the exeption being new releases that are not available in any other format .

[ImberBoy]

Brilliant analogy "The Mona Lisa"

Every one and his fookin dog has seen that picture, it is so well known that it means next to fook all to many.

My son went to visit the Louvre last year on a school trip, he is 15.

He intends to study art and told me that seeing the original Mona Lisa moved him and his class to nigh on tears but then again he makes his own fookin dress the little puff!! Art? We wont be having any of that nonsense in this house young fellow me lad, you're a Yorkshire man son and don't ever forget it! Fookin art!!!!!!

[Guest maria]

Brilliant analogy "The Mona Lisa"

Every one and his fookin dog has seen that picture, it is so well known that it means next to fook all to many.

My son went to visit the Louvre last year on a school trip, he is 15.

He intends to study art and told me that seeing the original Mona Lisa moved him and his class to nigh on tears but then again he makes his own fookin dress the little puff!! Art? We wont be having any of that nonsense in this house young fellow me lad, you're a Yorkshire man son and don't ever forget it! Fookin art!!!!!!

Did you know that art and the love of music are one of the same, you probably passed the gene to him,

you should be proud of him. Hopefully his language, shall we say, came from another family member.

[ImberBoy]

I do hope your not suggesting that I'm not cultured?

I have culture commin out of my arse!