Barry Posted March 6, 2009 Posted March 6, 2009 ...to sitting with the angels, it seems. Having done this for a spell, I can honestly say that it is generally a backward step - in todays scene that is. Promoting today is a highway to Hell. 'Little fish - little pond' don't touch it'. Be a punter, there's more heart in it.
Guest Posted March 6, 2009 Posted March 6, 2009 (edited) ...to sitting with the angels, it seems. Having done this for a spell, I can honestly say that it is generally a backward step - in todays scene that is. Promoting today is a highway to Hell. 'Little fish - little pond' don't touch it'. Be a punter, there's more heart in it. I agree Barrington , that promoting - especially in this day and age , can be a pain in the ass , but it can have its' upside as well ..... I have promoted " soul music nights " for more years than I care to recall ( I started roughly about the same time Adam and Eve reached puberty ) , and did it out of the love of / for the music ( the odd bit of money I have made has been a bonus , but that has been outweighed by the " cause " so to speak ) and done to spread the word ( or should it be the sound ? ) over and down the years . Until recently , I had steered away from promoting for two years , following the demise of my last regular night , soured by the reduction in the rewards gained for gained - both spiritually and monetary - for the effort I was putting in to stage it . The end came - on the spiritual front - when a pissed up punter , came up to me whilst I was DJing , and shouted in my face " I don't pay f****g good money to listen to f*****g shit like this - I want f*****g Northern , so play the c**t " .......... The record playing at the time was Timi Yuro's " It'll Never Be Over For Me " . I walked away that night , vowing not to promote again , that was , until six weeks ago ........ I had harboured the idea for a special one - off night for a while , and following discussions with , and encouragement by a like minded soul ( no pun intended ) , Paul Donnelly ( and aided by Jez Jones ) , to put flesh onto the bones of that idea and get on with it . That idea was to stage a Torch reunion night , along the lines of " The Class Of 72 / 73 Ride Again " , getting like minded folk back together such as Paul , Jez and myself , to pay our homage to that venue and hear the music again , that provided the soundtrack to our lives during that time . We wanted a venue as near to the home / site of The Torch in Hose Street as we could , and found that venue in The Ryan Hall , which is 400 yards from Hose Street as the crow stomps , and oozes " old time " ........ coupled with the combination of original Torch DJs , the music from 1972 to 1973 , and in a venue that is within spitting distance , I think we have got as near to being authentic as we can . We wanted a " Reunion " , and not just a " revival " , for that has been done before , and no disrepect to those who have staged those revivals , we wanted a special night . The main aim was to provide a bloody good night for those attending , and if anything was left over after expenses , it would go to charity . The Torch Reunion was announced on Soul Source just under a month ago , and as of typing this , only 34 tickets are left out of the 280 tickets originally offered for sale . This has restorded my belief - and faith - in promoting , and more so , the people who frequent the NS scene . Malc Burton THE TORCH REUNION - SATURDAY 24TH OCTOBER Only 34 Tickets Left ......... Email today and register for the remaing tickets or go on line for directions, accomodation, venue photos and ticket hotline https://dkof.freewebpages.org/Torch%20reunion/home.html Ticket reservations - burtonmalc@yahoo.co.uk / pauldonnellybp@aol.com " Build it ( well , sort of ) and they will come " - They are ........ ALL PROFITS will go to The Douglas Macmillan Hospice and The Stroke Association For more information about these worthy causes , log onto www.dmhospice.org.uk and www.stroke.org.uk Edited March 6, 2009 by Malc Burton
Guest Mrs Simsy Posted March 6, 2009 Posted March 6, 2009 ...to sitting with the angels, it seems. Having done this for a spell, I can honestly say that it is generally a backward step - in todays scene that is. Promoting today is a highway to Hell. 'Little fish - little pond' don't touch it'. Be a punter, there's more heart in it. Barry, sorry for stating the obvious but if everyone was a punter then where would we go to punt as it were. If all the good men & women folk that put their hearts and erm souls into putting on nights for us to enjoy, stopped then we would have nowhere to go! Granted, there's the argument that there may be a little too much choice nowadays with people spread a bit thinly but i personally would rather have that then everyone hanging up their boots!
pikeys dog Posted March 6, 2009 Posted March 6, 2009 Am I the only one who remembers Barry pontificating about a night he was going to promote?
Simon M Posted March 6, 2009 Posted March 6, 2009 Am I the only one who remembers Barry pontificating about a night he was going to promote? yeah I remember that ! Did it ever happen ?
mischief Posted March 6, 2009 Posted March 6, 2009 yeah I remember that ! Did it ever happen ? Best thing is to ask him..
Simon M Posted March 6, 2009 Posted March 6, 2009 Best thing is to ask him.. I thought I had just asked him ? Hey you seen MrBearsy lately ?
mischief Posted March 6, 2009 Posted March 6, 2009 I thought I had just asked him ? Hey you seen MrBearsy lately ? No but i'll be seeing him next week at Modrapheniacs.. Stanford.. were both djing down there... mind you I don't miss seeing him he's a boring Fu8ker in real life.. just funny on forums...
Simon M Posted March 6, 2009 Posted March 6, 2009 No but i'll be seeing him next week at Modrapheniacs.. Stanford.. were both djing down there... mind you I don't miss seeing him he's a boring Fu8ker in real life.. just funny on forums...
Paul Shirley Posted March 6, 2009 Posted March 6, 2009 (edited) Barry, sorry for stating the obvious but if everyone was a punter then where would we go to punt as it were. If all the good men & women folk that put their hearts and erm souls into putting on nights for us to enjoy, stopped then we would have nowhere to go! Granted, there's the argument that there may be a little too much choice nowadays with people spread a bit thinly but i personally would rather have that then everyone hanging up their boots! I AGREE BUT AS A PROMOTOR ALL I CAN SAY IS THERE IS FAR TO MANY POLITICS INVOLVED THESE DAYS AND MORE OFTEN THAN NOT ITS A THANKLES TASK!!! I SOPOSE YOU COULD SELL ALL YOUR RECORDS BUY A LOAD OF BOOTS OF WIGAN CASINO CLASICS FIND A DUMP TO PLAY THEM ALL IN AND YOU CANOT GO WRONG . DO IT THE RIGHT WAY AND THE F...RS WILL GO AND FIND THE DUMP Edited March 6, 2009 by steptoe
Guest dundeedavie Posted March 6, 2009 Posted March 6, 2009 ...to sitting with the angels, it seems. Having done this for a spell, I can honestly say that it is generally a backward step - in todays scene that is. Promoting today is a highway to Hell. 'Little fish - little pond' don't touch it'. Be a punter, there's more heart in it. Depends what you're promoting and to whom , personally i'm quite happy with the promotion i'm involved with , the patrons are lovely , the venue likes us and the music is brilliant
KevH Posted March 6, 2009 Posted March 6, 2009 ...to sitting with the angels, it seems. Having done this for a spell, I can honestly say that it is generally a backward step - in todays scene that is. Promoting today is a highway to Hell. 'Little fish - little pond' don't touch it'. Be a punter, there's more heart in it. i take it you're from the "big fish,big pond" school.
Guest Soultown andy Posted March 6, 2009 Posted March 6, 2009 ...to sitting with the angels, it seems. Having done this for a spell, I can honestly say that it is generally a backward step - in todays scene that is. Promoting today is a highway to Hell. 'Little fish - little pond' don't touch it'. Be a punter, there's more heart in it. Posted very early morning again,and utter shite again.
Dr Good Soul Posted March 6, 2009 Posted March 6, 2009 I AGREE BUT AS A PROMOTOR ALL I CAN SAY IS THERE IS FAR TO MANY POLITICS INVOLVED THESE DAYS AND MORE OFTEN THAN NOT ITS A THANKLES TASK!!! I SOPOSE YOU COULD SELL ALL YOUR RECORDS BUY A LOAD OF BOOTS OF WIGAN CASINO CLASICS FIND A DUMP TO PLAY THEM ALL IN AND YOU CANOT GO WRONG . DO IT THE RIGHT WAY AND THE F...RS WILL GO AND FIND THE DUMP I've been saying this for afew years now could'nt have put it better myself Don't let it get you down mate ATB Steve.
Guest bazabod_downunder Posted March 6, 2009 Posted March 6, 2009 Yes it can be a thankless task sometimes, but somebodies got to do it, you can make it as hard as ypu want to. I, along with two others share the load which makes it easier, we make no money, we have an acoss the board music policy, a attitude of use it or 'lose it' & a complaints procedure which comprises of if you don't like it 'f*** off'.....once they stop coming through the doors, it'll be time to stop....we also don't have all the politics that you seem to suffer from. KTF Baz
Maark Posted March 6, 2009 Posted March 6, 2009 I agree Barrington , that promoting - especially in this day and age , can be a pain in the ass , but it can have its' upside as well ..... I have promoted " soul music nights " for more years than I care to recall ( I started roughly about the same time Adam and Eve reached puberty ) , and did it out of the love of / for the music ( the odd bit of money I have made has been a bonus , but that has been outweighed by the " cause " so to speak ) and done to spread the word ( or should it be the sound ? ) over and down the years . Until recently , I had steered away from promoting for two years , following the demise of my last regular night , soured by the reduction in the rewards gained for gained - both spiritually and monetary - for the effort I was putting in to stage it . The end came - on the spiritual front - when a pissed up punter , came up to me whilst I was DJing , and shouted in my face " I don't pay f****g good money to listen to f*****g shit like this - I want f*****g Northern , so play the c**t " .......... The record playing at the time was Timi Yuro's " It'll Never Be Over For Me " . I walked away that night , vowing not to promote again , that was , until six weeks ago ........ I had harboured the idea for a special one - off night for a while , and following discussions with , and encouragement by a like minded soul ( no pun intended ) , Paul Donnelly ( and aided by Jez Jones ) , to put flesh onto the bones of that idea and get on with it . That idea was to stage a Torch reunion night , along the lines of " The Class Of 72 / 73 Ride Again " , getting like minded folk back together such as Paul , Jez and myself , to pay our homage to that venue and hear the music again , that provided the soundtrack to our lives during that time . We wanted a venue as near to the home / site of The Torch in Hose Street as we could , and found that venue in The Ryan Hall , which is 400 yards from Hose Street as the crow stomps , and oozes " old time " ........ coupled with the combination of original Torch DJs , the music from 1972 to 1973 , and in a venue that is within spitting distance , I think we have got as near to being authentic as we can . We wanted a " Reunion " , and not just a " revival " , for that has been done before , and no disrepect to those who have staged those revivals , we wanted a special night . The main aim was to provide a bloody good night for those attending , and if anything was left over after expenses , it would go to charity . The Torch Reunion was announced on Soul Source just under a month ago , and as of typing this , only 34 tickets are left out of the 280 tickets originally offered for sale . This has restorded my belief - and faith - in promoting , and more so , the people who frequent the NS scene . Malc Burton THE TORCH REUNION - SATURDAY 24TH OCTOBER Only 34 Tickets Left ......... Email today and register for the remaing tickets or go on line for directions, accomodation, venue photos and ticket hotline https://dkof.freewebpages.org/Torch%20reunion/home.html Ticket reservations - burtonmalc@yahoo.co.uk / pauldonnellybp@aol.com " Build it ( well , sort of ) and they will come " - They are ........ ALL PROFITS will go to The Douglas Macmillan Hospice and The Stroke Association For more information about these worthy causes , log onto www.dmhospice.org.uk and www.stroke.org.uk He was right tho....that Timi Yuro track is dirgy shite..........
Guest bazrico Posted March 6, 2009 Posted March 6, 2009 (edited) I agree Barrington , that promoting - especially in this day and age , can be a pain in the ass , but it can have its' upside as well ..... I have promoted " soul music nights " for more years than I care to recall ( I started roughly about the same time Adam and Eve reached puberty ) , and did it out of the love of / for the music ( the odd bit of money I have made has been a bonus , but that has been outweighed by the " cause " so to speak ) and done to spread the word ( or should it be the sound ? ) over and down the years . Until recently , I had steered away from promoting for two years , following the demise of my last regular night , soured by the reduction in the rewards gained for gained - both spiritually and monetary - for the effort I was putting in to stage it . The end came - on the spiritual front - when a pissed up punter , came up to me whilst I was DJing , and shouted in my face " I don't pay f****g good money to listen to f*****g shit like this - I want f*****g Northern , so play the c**t " .......... The record playing at the time was Timi Yuro's " It'll Never Be Over For Me " . I walked away that night , vowing not to promote again , that was , until six weeks ago ........ I had harboured the idea for a special one - off night for a while , and following discussions with , and encouragement by a like minded soul ( no pun intended ) , Paul Donnelly ( and aided by Jez Jones ) , to put flesh onto the bones of that idea and get on with it . That idea was to stage a Torch reunion night , along the lines of " The Class Of 72 / 73 Ride Again " , getting like minded folk back together such as Paul , Jez and myself , to pay our homage to that venue and hear the music again , that provided the soundtrack to our lives during that time . We wanted a venue as near to the home / site of The Torch in Hose Street as we could , and found that venue in The Ryan Hall , which is 400 yards from Hose Street as the crow stomps , and oozes " old time " ........ coupled with the combination of original Torch DJs , the music from 1972 to 1973 , and in a venue that is within spitting distance , I think we have got as near to being authentic as we can . We wanted a " Reunion " , and not just a " revival " , for that has been done before , and no disrepect to those who have staged those revivals , we wanted a special night . The main aim was to provide a bloody good night for those attending , and if anything was left over after expenses , it would go to charity . The Torch Reunion was announced on Soul Source just under a month ago , and as of typing this , only 34 tickets are left out of the 280 tickets originally offered for sale . This has restorded my belief - and faith - in promoting , and more so , the people who frequent the NS scene . Malc Burton THE TORCH REUNION - SATURDAY 24TH OCTOBER Only 34 Tickets Left ......... Email today and register for the remaing tickets or go on line for directions, accomodation, venue photos and ticket hotline https://dkof.freewebpages.org/Torch%20reunion/home.html Ticket reservations - burtonmalc@yahoo.co.uk / pauldonnellybp@aol.com " Build it ( well , sort of ) and they will come " - They are ........ ALL PROFITS will go to The Douglas Macmillan Hospice and The Stroke Association For more information about these worthy causes , log onto www.dmhospice.org.uk and www.stroke.org.uk You Have a product which soulies want to be part of and thank god will be a great night out, ive got my tickets promoting is all about giving soulies something they seek. Edited March 6, 2009 by bazrico
Barry Posted March 7, 2009 Author Posted March 7, 2009 Some good replies there, cheers. Picking up on Malcs use of the word 'Re-union' over 'Revival'. The word 'Revival' smacks of money-making to me, whilst the 'Re-union' is a very adult term that tells me the promoter is doing it for the right reasons. I love you Malc.
Barry Posted March 7, 2009 Author Posted March 7, 2009 Posted very early morning again,and utter shite again. Aw Andy mate no need for that attitude. I think you'd really like me, you know, as a friend like.
Ady Croasdell Posted March 7, 2009 Posted March 7, 2009 Depends what you're promoting and to whom , personally i'm quite happy with the promotion i'm involved with , the patrons are lovely , the venue likes us and the music is brilliant That's the ticket. That's all we want; though a few quid in the back pocket is handy too.
Epic Posted March 7, 2009 Posted March 7, 2009 Some good replies there, cheers. Picking up on Malcs use of the word 'Re-union' over 'Revival'. The word 'Revival' smacks of money-making to me, whilst the 'Re-union' is a very adult term that tells me the promoter is doing it for the right reasons. I love you Malc. Re-union says to me that people who actually went to The Torch in circa 1972 will be attending. Fair play to Malcolm his ticket sales have gone well - realistically you are giving the people what they want - another "oldies" night. If he had promoted a rare, underplayed, crossover, modern soul night I think the tickets might not have sold so well. The scene basically lives & breathes "oldies" because that is its life blood - it is no surprise really that promoters wanting to do something "different" fail because people only want to attend venues where the tried & trusted tunes are played. Doesn't matter whether you use the words revival, re-union, oldies, night etc. an old record still sounds the same. Barry - if you play The Fuller Brothers at a "re-union" does it sound any different than if you play it at a "revival" 'cos I don't really understand your point.
Sharon Cooper Posted March 7, 2009 Posted March 7, 2009 ...to sitting with the angels, it seems. Having done this for a spell, I can honestly say that it is generally a backward step - in todays scene that is. Promoting today is a highway to Hell. 'Little fish - little pond' don't touch it'. Be a punter, there's more heart in it. um your'e right Going to places you don't want to go to to get people you don't really want to come, to come? lol but i guess they are the ones who help you buy that next must have record.
Guest dundeedavie Posted March 7, 2009 Posted March 7, 2009 That's the ticket. That's all we want; though a few quid in the back pocket is handy too. it would be nice yeah but not THAT important to us
KevH Posted March 7, 2009 Posted March 7, 2009 ...to sitting with the angels, it seems. Having done this for a spell, I can honestly say that it is generally a backward step - in todays scene that is. Promoting today is a highway to Hell. 'Little fish - little pond' don't touch it'. Be a punter, there's more heart in it. All depends what you mean of course by "promoting". Knocking a few flyers up,going to a few venues,and using SS.?. Don't be so negative Barry. .
Guest andrew bin Posted March 7, 2009 Posted March 7, 2009 (edited) it always puzzles me how some people think that promoting soul nights alnighters is hard work or a thankless task if you feel like that then don't do it, life's to short, laying kerbs or trying to organize a load of stroppy ground workers and tarmacers is hard work ringing dj's, booking venues,sorting out flyers etc ain't, it's fun Edited March 7, 2009 by andrew bin
Stuart Bower Posted March 7, 2009 Posted March 7, 2009 All depends what you mean of course by "promoting". Knocking a few flyers up,going to a few venues,and using SS.?. Don't be so negative Barry. . That`s right-Don`t be so negative. It`s great to able to give our friends (punters..don`t you just hate that word..) the music they know (or don`t yet know) and love. Without promoters this scene (or any scene for that matter) wouldn`t even exist. But on the other hand it`s not just as easy as "knocking up a few flyers, going to a few venues and using SS" as you stated. But SS has made the job easier. I`ve been DJing at other peoples venues for longer than I can remember but only relatively recently (last 4 years) have I had the opportunity to actually promote and organise our own venue from the bottom up as it were. Love it.
Guest Soultown andy Posted March 7, 2009 Posted March 7, 2009 Aw Andy mate no need for that attitude. I think you'd really like me, you know, as a friend like. Ive no doubt your a good guy its just that promoters always seem to get a hard time on here,unless of course your in the ss good guys crew.Luckily there is a world of difference bettween what you read on here and what the promoters and venues are actualy like.
Stuart Bower Posted March 7, 2009 Posted March 7, 2009 (edited) That`s right-Don`t be so negative. It`s great to able to give our friends (punters..don`t you just hate that word..) the music they know (or don`t yet know) and love. Without promoters this scene (or any scene for that matter) wouldn`t even exist. But on the other hand it`s not just as easy as "knocking up a few flyers, going to a few venues and using SS" as you stated. But SS has made the job easier. I`ve been DJing at other peoples venues for longer than I can remember but only relatively recently (last 4 years) have I had the opportunity to actually promote and organise our own venue from the bottom up as it were. Time consuming. Plus much more responsibility and a sense of achievement at the end when it`s gone well. And if only one person says they`ve enjoyed it at the end of the night it`s been worth it. Edited March 7, 2009 by Mike Socket
Makemvinyl Posted March 7, 2009 Posted March 7, 2009 (edited) That's the ticket. That's all we want; though a few quid in the back pocket is handy too. one day one day one day one day one day if you think it,it will happen one day one day one day Edited March 7, 2009 by Makemvinyl
Jez Jones Posted March 7, 2009 Posted March 7, 2009 Re-union says to me that people who actually went to The Torch in circa 1972 will be attending. Fair play to Malcolm his ticket sales have gone well - realistically you are giving the people what they want - another "oldies" night. If he had promoted a rare, underplayed, crossover, modern soul night I think the tickets might not have sold so well. The scene basically lives & breathes "oldies" because that is its life blood - it is no surprise really that promoters wanting to do something "different" fail because people only want to attend venues where the tried & trusted tunes are played. Doesn't matter whether you use the words revival, re-union, oldies, night etc. an old record still sounds the same. Barry - if you play The Fuller Brothers at a "re-union" does it sound any different than if you play it at a "revival" 'cos I don't really understand your point. Hiya Epic Can I just come in here a minute mate. A lot of what you've said is true and I agree. Can I just pick up on the use of revival vs re-union. The Torch event is built around re-union and everything on the day is geared to that. It is people based, sharing stories,seeing old friends and meeting new. It was recognised from the outset that a 'revival' night means reviving old sounds--and re-union means re-uniting people. Hence the need for it to be in Tunstall----A Torch re-union HAS to be in Tunstall--A Torch revival can be anywhere(some have even held them in shopping centres ) The venue chosen is the only one within pi**ing distance of Hose St and it had to be that-- so folks can mosey around to the 'site' Bigger venues could have been chosen---but not in Tunstall--therefore not a reunion The records played for wnat of a better phrase is secondary. A majority of the folks coming couldn't care less about the records spun---as long as they were played at The Torch. They possibly want a chinstroke about the history of the record played. ie can you remember when you bought Fuller Brothers for £15 and it was dead rare and you had to lend Minsh the copy to play cos he had sold his............. etc etc I hope that clears it up from being just another 'oldies' night
Ian Williams Posted March 7, 2009 Posted March 7, 2009 it would be nice yeah but not THAT important to us Nor us in Brizzle either, after 5 years of our little nights (60 to 120 thro the door) we're about £300 in the black.... It does however allow us to put on our soul boat cruise around Bristol docks where we lose money on the night but have a great time.. Oooh see what I did there - just a little promotion
Guest Soultown andy Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 That's the ticket. That's all we want; though a few quid in the back pocket is handy too. After 8 yrs of running niters only made a profit one year,so we spent it on an artist.After paying him we managed to lose 500 quid on the year,and our average attendance is 500 plus every nite .A few quid in the back pocket,you will have to let me know the secret ady .
Guest Scarborosoul Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 After 8 yrs of running niters only made a profit one year,so we spent it on an artist.After paying him we managed to lose 500 quid on the year,and our average attendance is 500 plus every nite .A few quid in the back pocket,you will have to let me know the secret ady . Most of you promoters that know me know my views on promoters etc that are just in it for the money. I am saying this from the bottom of my heart to the promoters who do it for the right reasons THANK YOU from me and all the other punters for giving use such fantastic places like Middleton, 100, Wilton, Burnley etc etc where we can go and listen and dance to the music we love. Cant wait for Steam to reopen Andy. Rick
Barry Posted March 8, 2009 Author Posted March 8, 2009 I'm not knocking promoters, I am one and I'm certainly not being negative - just pointing out the pit-falls and bringing about healthy scene-based pontifications. My point about the use of the word 'Re-union' as opposed the use of the word 'Revival' simply tells me a great deal about the person behind the use of each. I still do love Malc on the basis of the above. Next!
Guest SoulRenaissance Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Re-union says to me that people who actually went to The Torch in circa 1972 will be attending. Fair play to Malcolm his ticket sales have gone well - realistically you are giving the people what they want - another "oldies" night. If he had promoted a rare, underplayed, crossover, modern soul night I think the tickets might not have sold so well. The scene basically lives & breathes "oldies" because that is its life blood - it is no surprise really that promoters wanting to do something "different" fail because people only want to attend venues where the tried & trusted tunes are played. Doesn't matter whether you use the words revival, re-union, oldies, night etc. an old record still sounds the same. Barry - if you play The Fuller Brothers at a "re-union" does it sound any different than if you play it at a "revival" 'cos I don't really understand your point. Not necessarily so. After 2 years the United Sound of Soul is still going strong, with crowds of between 75-115 and rising. Because they want to hear something different, not oldies or the same old stuff. Lifeline too, 5 years?
Paul Shirley Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 it always puzzles me how some people think that promoting soul nights alnighters is hard work or a thankless task if you feel like that then don't do it, life's to short, laying kerbs or trying to organize a load of stroppy ground workers and tarmacers is hard work ringing dj's, booking venues,sorting out flyers etc ain't, it's fun yeah and what your forgeting is after laying kerbs all day and all the rest of it ........you then have to start sorting your soul do out for the next month or two and take it from me there is a lot more to it than ringing a few dj's up
Guest andrew bin Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 yeah and what your forgeting is after laying kerbs all day and all the rest of it ........you then have to start sorting your soul do out for the next month or two and take it from me there is a lot more to it than ringing a few dj's up i've ran one or two soul nights in the past so i do know what little work is involved but as i said in my earlier post it's easy and fun if it wasn't i wouldn't do it and i'm sure that a lot of others think the same , i'm not saying it's not a tiny bit stressful i'm sure that all promoters would want their nights to go well and for every one to enjoy themselves so rightly enough they worry about it this is how i promote a soul night 1 ring to book venue 2 orgainize sound equipment etc 3 book dj's 4 design a shit flyer and get it printed etc half hour tops
Guest dundeedavie Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 i've ran one or two soul nights in the past so i do know what little work is involved but as i said in my earlier post it's easy and fun if it wasn't i wouldn't do it and i'm sure that a lot of others think the same , i'm not saying it's not a tiny bit stressful i'm sure that all promoters would want their nights to go well and for every one to enjoy themselves so rightly enough they worry about it this is how i promote a soul night 1 ring to book venue 2 orgainize sound equipment etc 3 book dj's 4 design a shit flyer and get it printed etc half hour tops i think there is more to it than that .. number 3 "book dj's" should be changed to "book the RIGHT Dj's" and depending on your night you have to create an identity so your not just another soul night . i guess we're lucky in that we have a long standing booking and the venue love us (at the moment ) , they supply the PA and decks (we supply the stylii) , they also supply a sound engineer for the whole night ( )
Stuart Bower Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 After 8 yrs of running niters only made a profit one year,so we spent it on an artist.After paying him we managed to lose 500 quid on the year,and our average attendance is 500 plus every nite .A few quid in the back pocket,you will have to let me know the secret ady . We lose money most months but we keep doing it because we love it. The most our venue will hold is around 150 people max but we`ve never quite filled it to capacity. Most months we are nowhere near that. After paying for the room, paying the deejays and everyone else that needs paying plus drinks all night for the residents and a taxi home we normally end up losing approx. £20. Not bad for a quite awesome (and cheap might I add) party night out where everyone is invited don`t you think?
Paul Shirley Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 (edited) this is my take andrew this is only part of it find a venue? big? small ?not been done before? right location ? right price ? closing time ? bouncers ? some council's insist on them , noise limiter ? equipment fortunes for proper gear!!! flyers ha ha waste of time , radio internet local press going out and about to more venues than you would like to go to . the right venues to go to .the right people you would hope to come ? music preference ? the right dj's for your music policy or style contacting lots and lot of folks ...arguing with lots and lots of folks paying lots and lots of folks, politcs we aint coming to your do coz ?????????????? zilian petty resons am not going to theirs they dont come to mine lol, amp blowing up idiot dj wont understand volume to high blows f.... everything up and loses you venue , people who come moan music not this to much that and so on then you try and please the other lot music to much that and not enough this not sure about your venue mate but this is just one little bit of the workings of my do' and i havent even mentiond the hard work and worry i had trying to sort out somthing called acoustic feedback or humm ? only time i could try to sort it was one hour before start of the night as could not get in to club any other time . this went on for 3 months spoiling the night nearly, no sound engineer at our club mate!!!! just me !!! every sugestion under the sun failed what a sweat that was , also geting all my gear to the venue in a vehical that isant big enough three 15 mile round trips on the friday before the do' then van foooooked desperation frenzy and so on , yeah right mate nothing to it. earn a living and run yer own business all at the same time but as somebody mentiond despite all the moaning and negatives it is nice when 1or 2 people praise you for doing it and then after all that you dare not pack it in because some other buggers are waiting to swoop hhaaaaaaaa Edited March 8, 2009 by steptoe
Boogaloo Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Promotings like an addiction and I have to admit I’m an addict. I love getting people together and giving them a great night out with some awesome music thrown in. Mind you it’s not for everyone because it can be stressful and I’ve seen lots of people lose hair, money, sleep, friends, sanity, their perspective on life and the will to live. My tip, for what it’s worth, is if you love it do it but don’t forget it’s not the only thing in your life.Â
Paul Shirley Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Promotings like an addiction and I have to admit I'm an addict. I love getting people together and giving them a great night out with some awesome music thrown in. Mind you it's not for everyone because it can be stressful and I've seen lots of people lose hair, money, sleep, friends, sanity, their perspective on life and the will to live. My tip, for what it's worth, is if you love it do it but don't forget it's not the only thing in your life. i can agree with that but just to get folks to come and listen to awesome music and then carry on coming would be fine lol
Guest Soultown andy Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 I think some are makeing it out to be far harder than it is,personaly really enjoy it.
Jumpinjoan Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 I think some are makeing it out to be far harder than it is,personaly really enjoy it. I have to say I couldn't do it. My one and only brush with promoting was probably the most stressful thing I have ever done. And that was a one-off event that was free to get in! You have to be ruthless to the point of being vicious and I just don't have that in me I'm afraid. Saying that, I am so glad so many people are suited to it. Long live promoters!
Guest Soultown andy Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 I have to say I couldn't do it. My one and only brush with promoting was probably the most stressful thing I have ever done. And that was a one-off event that was free to get in! You have to be ruthless to the point of being vicious and I just don't have that in me I'm afraid. Saying that, I am so glad so many people are suited to it. Long live promoters! Ruthless to the point of being vicious,surely not joan .I think you have made a good point thou its not for everyone especialy if you are easily upset.
Jumpinjoan Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Ruthless to the point of being vicious,surely not joan .I think you have made a good point thou its not for everyone especialy if you are easily upset. Trying to find a date that didn't clash and upset anybody just about killed me Andy. And that's the truth Promoting is definitely not for me!
Guest Soultown andy Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Trying to find a date that didn't clash and upset anybody just about killed me Andy. And that's the truth Boy do i know that feeling .
Guest dundeedavie Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Ruthless to the point of being vicious,surely not joan .I think you have made a good point thou its not for everyone especialy if you are easily upset. i guess the hardest bit is when people ask for a spot(often friends) and you have to refuse ...it's not because they aren't good dj's but they aren't right for the club ....
Guest Soultown andy Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 i guess the hardest bit is when people ask for a spot(often friends) and you have to refuse ...it's not because they aren't good dj's but they aren't right for the club .... Mine dont ask because they know its not a problem saying no,see joans post .
Ian Williams Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Boogaloo Mar 8 09, 05:56 PM post='1020873'] Promotings like an addiction and I have to admit I'm an addict. I love getting people together and giving them a great night out with some awesome music thrown in. Mind you it's not for everyone because it can be stressful and I've seen lots of people lose hair, money, sleep, friends, sanity, their perspective on life and the will to live. My tip, for what it's worth, is if you love it do it but don't forget it's not the only thing in your life. Ah - we like events too and started our little nights in Brizzle cos noone else would put on Soul Music and we got a little fed up of travelling. Bristol is a very multicultural place with huge diversity but no 60's Soul Nights despite being surrounded by 'traditional' soul towns and cities. So we started our nights, and thought that we should get a night where we invite our friends along and get people together - hence Getting Together ! Anyone else wonder why Brizzle hasnt had a thriving NS scene out of Yate or were all the Yaters travellers from further North (and South)
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