Patto Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 After a long time want in the form of I'm Not Loving A Beginner--Jesse Fisher--Way Out Know its in-demand,but willing to pay up to £85 for one in ex condition. thanks for looking.PM please if you've got one for sale Patto Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Lfcjunkie Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 After a long time want in the form of I'm Not Loving A Beginner--Jesse Fisher--Way Out Know its in-demand,but willing to pay up to £85 for one in ex condition. thanks for looking.PM please if you've got one for sale Patto at £85 is that for the multi coloured one Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
NEV Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 (edited) at £85 is that for the multi coloured one surely it is a multi-coloured one?? Oh and its "your not loving a beginner" Edited March 6, 2009 by NORTHERN NEV Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Alan Pollard Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 surely it is a multi-coloured one?? Oh and its "your not loving a beginner" The multi coloured is as far as I know authentic, but it appears to be a re-press as the original is a white and red label (Way Out). Regards Alan Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Russ Smith Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 The multi coloured is as far as I know authentic, but it appears to be a re-press as the original is a white and red label (Way Out). Regards Alan Its a press shortly after the red and white , by the company probably 2 years after.. ? They were both about when it was played in the 70s, and went for similar money then. Soul Bowl had the red and white ones, i bought one off the front page for £3.. They are both " real" issues, Jesse Fisher had some success with his funkier bits a couple of years later and Way Out probably reissued it on the back of these i guess.. Great record on any label ! Sheer class .. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
arnie j Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Its a press shortly after the red and white , by the company probably 2 years after.. ? They were both about when it was played in the 70s, and went for similar money then. Soul Bowl had the red and white ones, i bought one off the front page for £3.. They are both " real" issues, Jesse Fisher had some success with his funkier bits a couple of years later and Way Out probably reissued it on the back of these i guess.. Great record on any label ! Sheer class .. am sure someone on here was selling a red and white one in sales tother day, £130 i think, i missed one a couple years ago for £60, brill tune Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Garethx Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 (edited) Its a press shortly after the red and white , by the company probably 2 years after.. ? They were both about when it was played in the 70s, and went for similar money then. Soul Bowl had the red and white ones, i bought one off the front page for £3.. They are both " real" issues, Jesse Fisher had some success with his funkier bits a couple of years later and Way Out probably reissued it on the back of these i guess.. Great record on any label ! Sheer class .. What do you base the 'two years after' supposition on? Have you got any concrete information about the respective dates of the two releases? An expert on Ohio recordings has told us on here before that this theory is pure speculation. The different presses are simply from different plants. My preference will always be for the multicoloured press as the sound reproduction is a bit better than on the red and white label copies. Edited March 6, 2009 by garethx Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Russ Smith Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 (edited) What do you base the 'two years after' supposition on? Have you got any concrete information about the respective dates of the two releases? An expert on Ohio recordings has told us on here before that this theory is pure speculation. The different presses are simply from different plants. My preference will always be for the multicoloured press as the sound reproduction is a bit better than on the red and white label copies. Supposition, calm down, I've had both issues, now have the multicoloured, and was just trying to read some sense into the theories..They were both about in equal-ish quantaties back then..You're right its probably nowhere like 2 years between the 2 releases and if its different plants, thats it.. If an expert on Ohio stuff has posted before then cool, then thats the more likely theory then.. Chill out ! Somebody asked if the multi colored were re-issues, just tried to put my thoughts in, thats all.. I bought this record in the 70s when it was only a couple/ few years old, just trying to pass on info... Will never post a theory again... Edited March 7, 2009 by Russ Smith Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Russ Smith Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 (edited) What do you base the 'two years after' supposition on? Have you got any concrete information about the respective dates of the two releases? An expert on Ohio recordings has told us on here before that this theory is pure speculation. The different presses are simply from different plants. My preference will always be for the multicoloured press as the sound reproduction is a bit better than on the red and white label copies. Good then, I'm glad you have the same pressing as i have. Sounds lush to me ! Edited March 7, 2009 by Russ Smith Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
paultp Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 There's one on ebay US [here] - buy it now Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Garethx Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 (edited) Good then, I'm glad you have the same pressing as i have. Sounds lush to me ! Hi Russ sorry if my post comes across a bit aggressively, that wasn't my intention (lesson: never post late on Friday!). One of the good things about forums like this is that we can delve deeper into the various theories that have grown up about particular records and have been handed down on tablets of stone over the years. The Ohio guy, George, said that the different copies were pressed at Boddie in Cleveland, and either ARP or Archer in Michigan. The Boddie numbering system used the master date as part of its maxtrix numbering system. I don't have copies of either release at the moment to check, but if someone could post the matrices on the respective copies it might be possible to determine release dates for the two editions. Edited March 7, 2009 by garethx Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 his other release on the label is multi coloured. i even think the multi couloured is the first issue and coz it sold well on initial release wayout scrambled around for some other labels and found a batch on the old label design.lets face it that sounds feasable.either way they are all original.white and red being a little more expensive coz its slightly tougher. no other reason dave Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ady Croasdell Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 surely it is a multi-coloured one?? Oh and its "your not loving a beginner" well it should be 'you're not loving a beginner', dreadful grammar some of these chaps! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Garethx Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 (edited) his other release on the label is multi coloured. i even think the multi couloured is the first issue and coz it sold well on initial release wayout scrambled around for some other labels and found a batch on the old label design.lets face it that sounds feasable.either way they are all original.white and red being a little more expensive coz its slightly tougher. no other reason dave Mel Brat stated that during the record's first period of popularity at the Mecca the standard copy was the multi-coloured one. He didn't remember seeing a red and white until some years later by which time the Jesse Fisher 45 was very much an oldie. Of course that doesn't mean that the multicoloured was definitively released first, but it's worth bearing in mind that there is at least anecdotal evidence of that being the case. Edited March 7, 2009 by garethx Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 Mel Brat stated that during the records first period of popularity at the Mecca the standard copy was the multi-coloured one. He didn't remember seeing a red and white until some years later by which time the Jesse Fisher 45 was very much an oldie. Of course that doesn't mean that the multicoloured was definitively released first, but it's worth bearing in mind that there is at least anecdotal evidence of that being the case. Moderators: not advertising event - it was last year. just posting for the sound Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 The red and white one I've see at double the price of the multi-coloured one. Andy Dyson has a red/white one in his sales box. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
KevH Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 Mel Brat stated that during the record's first period of popularity at the Mecca the standard copy was the multicoloured one. He didn't remember seeing a red and white until some -years later by which time the Jesse Fisher 45 was very much an oldie. Of course that doesn't mean that the multicoloured was definitively released first, but it's worth bearing in mind that there is at least anecdotal evidence of that being the case. that's my take on it as well Gareth. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
NEV Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 well it should be 'you're not loving a beginner', dreadful grammar some of these chaps! Sotp slptitnig hira's Ady Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ted Massey Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 The sensations demanding man is on red and white wonder if the number of that is before or after jesse Fisher Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Garethx Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 The sensations demanding man is on red and white wonder if the number of that is before or after jesse Fisher The Sensations "Demanding Man" is from 1969-70, predating Jesse Fisher by a couple of years. The c.1966 date on the label refers to the date of incorporation of the label, rather than the year of release of this particular 45. The Way Out label is a bit of a minefield for a full and sequential discography, with different numbering sequences, label designs, distribution from MGM etc. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Eamesy Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 We have a red & white copy for sale - £125 if interested?? Alan Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 well it should be 'you're not loving a beginner', dreadful grammar some of these chaps! actually Ady on the multi coloured labels it is "Your" but it's "You're" on the Red/white label copies Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
NEV Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 (edited) actually Ady on the multi coloured labels it is "Your" but it's "You're" on the Red/white label copies Mine is the multi-coloured one Chalky, but i didn't want to say anything(in a posh accent please) Maybe there is a clue there too, the multi one was 1st ,they realised the mistake ,and duly corrected the grammer on the red&white copy sounds good to me Edited March 7, 2009 by NORTHERN NEV Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Billyboy Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 actually Ady on the multi coloured labels it is "Your" but it's "You're" on the Red/white label copies So in conclusion... The Red/white copies are for Grammer school type peep's & the multi coloured copies are for the Secondary/Comprehensive School ordinary type Joe... "mines multicoloured"......& so is my copies label.......haven't played Oridinary Joe for years...must go and dig it out. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
George G Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Mel Brat stated that during the record's first period of popularity at the Mecca the standard copy was the multi-coloured one. He didn't remember seeing a red and white until some years later by which time the Jesse Fisher 45 was very much an oldie. Of course that doesn't mean that the multicoloured was definitively released first, but it's worth bearing in mind that there is at least anecdotal evidence of that being the case. Interesting, thanks. The Jesse Fisher record was reported in a Cleveland paper as getting play on three local radio stations, this was November or December of 1971. Assume then the record was released around October/November of 1971. I actually have a vague memory of hearing it, but I could be fooling myself. As noted, the two pressing have different EQ/masterings. The red/white one is inferior to the red/yellow one, IMO and I think most everyone would agree. One reason is pretty obvious - the width of the track on the red/white one is smaller, meaning less groove 'space' and usually that means less fidelity. The acetates for both were probably cut at Boddie, as Tom Boddie's mark is in the dead wax. They were wise not to press them there! I think both were ARP pressings, like most of the post MGM Way Outs. I really don't think the record was repressed a couple years later....things moved too fast back then. I'm going to ASSUME that the red/white was first and the inferior fidelity was noted and the record remastered. Also since the record was a local 'hit' there would have been a possible need to repress in 'real time'. There's a couple other clues I need to look at. The perspective of availability is very interesting, I suspect one reason being that the red/white ones were mainly distributed in the Cleveland area and the red/yellow ones had more stock available, so when the record was discoverd by the UK scene and copies exported they took the available back stock, which was red/yellow. Again, I'm just speculating here. Regarding the date for the Sensations 'Demanding Man', late 1969 or early 1970 is correct. The previous Way Out 45, by the Harmonics (label number 2003/4, Sensations is 2005) is from late 1969, I am working to confirm a more exact date. How many of you know that one member of the Sensations later played in the rock band Rainbow Canyon who had a LP (in the US)? I think he was out of the group by the time Demanding Man was recorded. I'm trying to get an interview with him. - George Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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