Denbo Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 I reckon it'll sell for around 8 grand Wonder if there'll be a £15K reserve price on it?
Marc Forrest Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 me neither, must have something to do with this new software I use
Ady Potts Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 Hi Ian, Well nows your chance to get it back, Tim Brown has just put it up for auction on his list, £800 kick off https://www.raresoulvinyl.co.uk/auctions.asp Regards, Ady Ian, Just a thought. Re Gilstrap, don't go selling off any of your big records to pay for it until you definitly want it back, you know how these things can go tits up. Re Frank Wilson. What I really think is a shame is when there are only two known copies of a record, both are in nice condition......until they get over here. One ends up warped & with a dubious looking stain on it, & the other copy ends up with a bloody story written on the label ! Unless the owner that does this damage to the record intends to take it to their grave (& that's a very selfish act) then it's down to them to look after the record for the next generation of ownership. That's my humble little view on it anyway. Ady
Hold Tight Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 (edited) I think it's had thirty one years of people looking for it, and there are still only the two original copies. People are not paying for the music - you can get that on a CD for a tenner. They're paying for the rarity of the edition. It is my belief, having been involved in this mad circus for forty years, that if another copy was going to surface, it would have done so by now, so yes, it will never come up for auction again until Tim Brown passes away. I would think someone from Japan or Germany will end up paying the most for it. Funnily enough, the only record I know to equal it in sheer rarity is Jim Gilstrap's wonderful "Run Run Run", on Bell issue, which I stupidly STUPIDLY sold to Tim Brown for eight hundred quid, and again, to this day, there are only two copies known about in the entire world. Jim Gilstrap's wonderful "Run Run Run", and is on his most current sales list today. beaten to it by Pottsy and thought I read the whole thread Edited February 2, 2009 by hold tight
Guest east rob Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 Wonder if John will list it in his 'Drop Down Bargain Hunt' Normally does with stuff in this condition spot on! pmsl
Ian Seaman Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 Love this thread, DILY-IID, is a record that's a bit like Marmite, you either love it or hate it, it has been controversial from the day it was played at the Casino. I doubt if there is one collector on here who would not like to acutally own it, including myself...but we are looking at the wrong end of a YEARS wages to get it, so failing a lottery win its out of the question. This record will actually sell quite cheaply if Kenny crumbles. It will be going back to the USA, as the $ to £ rate is to the US collectors advantage at the moment so a price of $35,000 is probably $15,000 cheaper than they would have paid last year. You also have to take into account John's commission on the deal, (how about a TV prog. "Manship's real deal ?" -sorry john !) But there are winners all the way around what ever happens 1) John has listed it for sale for the first time ever (?) 2) Kenny sells and makes a nice profit 3) Kenny turns down the largest ammount ever offered for a soul 45 in the world 4) Michael Jackson gets involved to piss off Berry Gordy and buys it through his Saudi mates 5) Tim Brown buys it and snaps it in half (see Den Macs post) 6) Ian Levine (hello Ian) brings in a TV production crew and we have a hours channel 4 special (no at daft as it seems, is it? -I want a bonus if you do it) and the sound track is in place. 7) The Media converge on Melton Mowbray for the final results, the Mayor of Melton bestows the freedom of the pie town on John So I am watching this with great interest- "reality Record dealing" at its best Love it ! Rob John doesn't live in Melton any more Rob !!! There are a pile of acetates of the track all in different stages and the only legit instrumental of it living in Nottingham, wonder how much these are worth now !! Ian.
Jules Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 who ever is running a book on the winning bid price, put me down for £85,000.
CAMBRIDGE SOUL Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 It was Billie Jean Brown's copy originally. There really were only two. Any whispers of any more copies are just an urban myth. And baseless. Tom DePierro owned the other copy, and he confirmed this to me when he was still alive. Was Tom Depirro a black guy from Chicago by any chance?
Jaco Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 I'm confused, now. Is it for sale or not? Post 58 suggested that Kenny had said it wasn't for sale and John Manship has posted on this thread without confirming or denying it.
Marc Forrest Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 I'm confused, now. Is it for sale or not? Post 58 suggested that Kenny had said it wasn't for sale and John Manship has posted on this thread without confirming or denying it. 1. Kenny B is not selling his copy 2. so there ain`t a copy up on Manships and so far there wonT in the near future 3. also Tim Brown is not selling his copy 4....so no copy up on Tims site 5. Tim indeed is auctioning Jim Gilstrap on Bell starting at 800 UKP that sums up this thread quite complete..
Jaco Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 1. Kenny B is not selling his copy 2. so there ain`t a copy up on Manships and so far there wonT in the near future 3. also Tim Brown is not selling his copy 4....so no copy up on Tims site 5. Tim indeed is auctioning Jim Gilstrap on Bell starting at 800 UKP that sums up this thread quite complete.. Thank you, Marc. Perfectly clear, now.
Mick Reed Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 (edited) I'm confused, now. Is it for sale or not? Post 58 suggested that Kenny had said it wasn't for sale and John Manship has posted on this thread without confirming or denying it. but is it these 2 or is there another one ? Edited February 2, 2009 by Mick Reed
arnie j Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 1. Kenny B is not selling his copy 2. so there ain`t a copy up on Manships and so far there wonT in the near future 3. also Tim Brown is not selling his copy 4....so no copy up on Tims site 5. Tim indeed is auctioning Jim Gilstrap on Bell starting at 800 UKP that sums up this thread quite complete.. i have before me johns list number 1033,in it he states..... 50 YRS OF MOTOWN CATALOGUE MONSTER CATALOGUE DEVOTED EXCLUSIVELY TO TAMLA MOTOWN ETC INCLUDING THE AUCTION OF FRANK WILSON-DO I LOVE YOU-SOUL35019 DJ not sure if he means last time this was auctioned ?
Eddie Hubbard Posted February 2, 2009 Author Posted February 2, 2009 As I started this thread prehaps John could explain if Frank Wilson is going to be for sale ? Anyone reading the back page of Manifesto would have come to the same conclusion as myself I'm sure .Best ,Eddie
doublecookin Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 not being part of the scene, I'm sort of confused given these two copies, how the record got played in the first place. Was it 'discovered' via one of these two copies, via an acetate, etc.? thanks. how many versions of the truth are there with this record, I know R Winstanley quite openly claims it was his discovery (via his uncle in the states) and most people ridicule his version of events, but how did it get to the decks at Wigan? where there more than 2 copies in the 70`s? whats happened to them?
Premium Stuff Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 i have before me johns list number 1033,in it he states..... 50 YRS OF MOTOWN CATALOGUE MONSTER CATALOGUE DEVOTED EXCLUSIVELY TO TAMLA MOTOWN ETC INCLUDING THE AUCTION OF FRANK WILSON-DO I LOVE YOU-SOUL35019 DJ not sure if he means last time this was auctioned ? Got this today too. I just take it that there is a copy of Frank Wilson for auction in the catalogue. A catalogue is a list of things for sale. Having an account of a previous auction would be out of place and a rather misleading claim. I think we can take it that John has one for sale by auction and what better time to auction it than the 50th anniversary Quite exciting - hope I'm not wrong on this Richard
arnie j Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 Got this today too. I just take it that there is a copy of Frank Wilson for auction in the catalogue. A catalogue is a list of things for sale. Having an account of a previous auction would be out of place and a rather misleading claim. I think we can take it that John has one for sale by auction and what better time to auction it than the 50th anniversary Quite exciting - hope I'm not wrong on this Richard i think u are correct there bud, if u can make out the writing on the pic of the 50 yrs of motown catalogue it defo states TO BE AUCTIONED, then i can see a date in red as 08,04,2009, and i agree with u thats its quite exciting ! thought john would have been on here to give us the lowdown on this
Ian Dewhirst Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 Was Tom Depirro a black guy from Chicago by any chance? Nope. White guy. I actually introduced Soussan to him in the first place when Motown very nearly signed Shalamar, so I guess it's indirectly my fault LOL...... The record is still technically the property of Motown Records but I guess the statute of limitations has run out by now. Ian D
Ian Dewhirst Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 how many versions of the truth are there with this record, I know R Winstanley quite openly claims it was his discovery (via his uncle in the states) and most people ridicule his version of events, but how did it get to the decks at Wigan? where there more than 2 copies in the 70`s? whats happened to them? I'm sure Russ had an acetate of it supplied by the notorious Mr Soussan. Only the one known copy of it in the 70's and that went from Soussan to Les McCutcheon to Johnathan Woodliffe....... Ian D
doublecookin Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 if your not careful you`ll be starting a soussan thread again
Ian Dewhirst Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 if your not careful you`ll be starting a soussan thread again LOL, couldn't stomach that! Ian D
Premium Stuff Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 I'm sure Russ had an acetate of it supplied by the notorious Mr Soussan. Only the one known copy of it in the 70's and that went from Soussan to Les McCutcheon to Johnathan Woodliffe....... Ian D There is a scan of it in one of the Wigan books! Richard
Guest Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 (edited) how many versions of the truth are there with this record, I know R Winstanley quite openly claims it was his discovery (via his uncle in the states) and most people ridicule his version of events, but how did it get to the decks at Wigan? where there more than 2 copies in the 70`s? whats happened to them? It was an acetate of " DILY " - not the original 45 - that RW had , sent to him by Simon Soussan , in January 1978 . It is concievable by that time , RW's association with SS had become friendly enough to call him " Uncle " .......... Malc Burton Edited February 3, 2009 by Malc Burton
Sjclement Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 I would think someone from Japan or Germany will end up paying the most for it. Shouild we start a campaign to keep it in Britain the home of Northern Soul
flashback Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 I reckon it will be up for interest only and wont actually be sold me thinks?!.
Benji Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 I would think someone from Japan or Germany will end up paying the most for it. Shouild we start a campaign to keep it in Britain the home of Northern Soul Tis is the 2nd post in this thread mentioning that someone in Germany might buy it. Where did you guys get the impression from that someone in Germany would be that loaded to pay 25K for a Motown record?
Guest Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 The story is: We have an email confirmation from a very reliable 100% honest person who wants us to auction FRANK WILSON on SOUL through our auction arena. We used Kenny's 45 scan in the recent ad (with permission) from Ken. Unless the owner fails to follow through and i doubt that very much as I have a long-standing relationship with him and he is a man of his word. there will be a Frank Wilson on auction on the dates noted. (this allows us to do some media advertising) All terms and conditions and an article on the 45 will be inside our MOTOWN 50th. colour catalogue which is available soon and covers all the Motown & Detroit vinyl we have in stock including some mighty fine memorabillia. link https://www.raresoulman.co.uk/d/166669/MOTOWN+VINYL+CATALOGUE £5 fully refundable on purchases What I can tell you is there will be NO RESERVE as John Manship Records is underwriting the owners expected winning bid. IE if the winning bid is £8000 like Pete Smith suggests, we will write the cheque, as if the 45 achieved the owners expectations. We are so confident we can not only achieve his expected price but well exceed it. We have no hesitation in taking this unprecedented step of guaranteeing his offerings value. we are more than confident a Frank Wilson will be up for bids and for winning, on the quoted dates. John
Jaco Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 The story is: We have an email confirmation from a very reliable 100% honest person who wants us to auction FRANK WILSON on SOUL through our auction arena. We used Kenny's 45 scan in the recent ad (with permission) from Ken. Unless the owner fails to follow through and i doubt that very much as I have a long-standing relationship with him and he is a man of his word. there will be a Frank Wilson on auction on the dates noted. (this allows us to do some media advertising) All terms and conditions and an article on the 45 will be inside our MOTOWN 50th. colour catalogue which is available soon and covers all the Motown & Detroit vinyl we have in stock including some mighty fine memorabillia. link https://www.raresoulman.co.uk/d/166669/MOTOWN+VINYL+CATALOGUE £5 fully refundable on purchases What I can tell you is there will be NO RESERVE as John Manship Records is underwriting the owners expected winning bid. IE if the winning bid is £8000 like Pete Smith suggests, we will write the cheque, as if the 45 achieved the owners expectations. We are so confident we can not only achieve his expected price but well exceed it. We have no hesitation in taking this unprecedented step of guaranteeing his offerings value. we are more than confident a Frank Wilson will be up for bids and for winning, on the quoted dates. John John, If we assume that this is not Tim Brown's copy (he would auction it himself, wouldn't he?) and it's not Kenny's, does this mean there is a 3rd copy out there?
Wiganer1 Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 The story is: We have an email confirmation from a very reliable 100% honest person who wants us to auction FRANK WILSON on SOUL through our auction arena. We used Kenny's 45 scan in the recent ad (with permission) from Ken. Unless the owner fails to follow through and i doubt that very much as I have a long-standing relationship with him and he is a man of his word. there will be a Frank Wilson on auction on the dates noted. (this allows us to do some media advertising) All terms and conditions and an article on the 45 will be inside our MOTOWN 50th. colour catalogue which is available soon and covers all the Motown & Detroit vinyl we have in stock including some mighty fine memorabillia. link https://www.raresoulman.co.uk/d/166669/MOTOWN+VINYL+CATALOGUE £5 fully refundable on purchases What I can tell you is there will be NO RESERVE as John Manship Records is underwriting the owners expected winning bid. IE if the winning bid is £8000 like Pete Smith suggests, we will write the cheque, as if the 45 achieved the owners expectations. We are so confident we can not only achieve his expected price but well exceed it. We have no hesitation in taking this unprecedented step of guaranteeing his offerings value. we are more than confident a Frank Wilson will be up for bids and for winning, on the quoted dates. John ======== wow thats fantastic mate...what an historic occasion that will be....i think it'll go for £32k.....are u involving Coral/betfred etc ???
Guest moggy Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 The story is: We have an email confirmation from a very reliable 100% honest person who wants us to auction FRANK WILSON on SOUL through our auction arena. We used Kenny's 45 scan in the recent ad (with permission) from Ken. Unless the owner fails to follow through and i doubt that very much as I have a long-standing relationship with him and he is a man of his word. there will be a Frank Wilson on auction on the dates noted. (this allows us to do some media advertising) All terms and conditions and an article on the 45 will be inside our MOTOWN 50th. colour catalogue which is available soon and covers all the Motown & Detroit vinyl we have in stock including some mighty fine memorabillia. link https://www.raresoulman.co.uk/d/166669/MOTOWN+VINYL+CATALOGUE £5 fully refundable on purchases What I can tell you is there will be NO RESERVE as John Manship Records is underwriting the owners expected winning bid. IE if the winning bid is £8000 like Pete Smith suggests, we will write the cheque, as if the 45 achieved the owners expectations. We are so confident we can not only achieve his expected price but well exceed it. We have no hesitation in taking this unprecedented step of guaranteeing his offerings value. we are more than confident a Frank Wilson will be up for bids and for winning, on the quoted dates. John John, you have just got the Soul world in a tizz, I do like the way you have not given the whole story to us, most cunning. So let the theories begin, this should be some thread from here on in. Happy of Birmingham
Guest moggy Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 I've never bid on a JM auction are people able to snipe bid in the last few seconds etc can you accentuate on how this auction will be carried out also is it because you have underwritten the owners valuation, that they have chosen not to go through one of the major auction houses, like Christie or Sotherbys. how do you propose to reach media outlets, catalouge apart. Im getting a bit worked up here, all these questions
Guest Bearsy Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 I've never bid on a JM auction are people able to snipe bid in the last few seconds etc can you accentuate on how this auction will be carried out also is it because you have underwritten the owners valuation, that they have chosen not to go through one of the major auction houses, like Christie or Sotherbys. how do you propose to reach media outlets, catalouge apart. Im getting a bit worked up here, all these questions No sniping with Johns autions moggy, the end time is extended by 2 minutes every time a bid comes in to give the other bidder a chance to counter bid as each bid has a minimum bid increment, its not like ebay where you put you highest in and at the end thats that and the highest wins, well if i remember rightly thats how it used to be John has a massive massive client list and knows every or near on every seriuos collector there is to know of soulmusic but no doubt John will look to increase his potential buyers list in every way possible, JM is the place for me to sell something like this imho
Guest Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 (edited) I've never bid on a JM auction are people able to snipe bid in the last few seconds etc can you accentuate on how this auction will be carried out also is it because you have underwritten the owners valuation, that they have chosen not to go through one of the major auction houses, like Christie or Sotherbys. how do you propose to reach media outlets, catalog apart. Im getting a bit worked up here, all these questions Moggy, The raresoulman.co.uk the AUCTION is LIVE! If you are bidding live against other bidders, the program works, that if no bids are received 2 minutes before 18:00hrs the auction is closed by the website exactly on 18:00hrs. If any bids are received after 17.58 the items remains open for an extra 2 minutes to allow a counterbid if there is anyone who wants to do so. If counterbid is made it remains open for a further 2mins to allow you to bid back, if you wish! If you or nobody else bids for within the 2 mins the the last leading bid wins the item for the stated bid increment over your top bid. Winning bids only pay the increment over their nearest rival bid. IE you can bid £3,000 on an item if your nearest rival bids £2200 and the increment is £11 you win the item for £2211. Your maximum bids are only known you the bidder. If you Phone bid, then only you & we know your maximum. This system has worked flawlessly for us and bidders for over five years. Below is a link to the workings of the auction as laid out by the creators of the system. Any questions Lisa on 01664 464526 will be happy to clarify. link for rules and regs https://www.raresoulman.co.uk/auction/auction_about.php As for Sotherbys, Christie etc. Our auction has a mailshot of 8,000 with 77,000 unique visitors in January alone. The website last month January 2009 received 12.1 million hits, that depth of website traffic, is one reasons the owner chose us to auction this 45. One point we shall be following is the vetting of every bidder and bid. We are also considering the printing of an exclusive classy t-shirt with I Bid On (45 picture) indeed I did.. only to be given to bidders on the 45 as a bit of exclusive memorabilia.. or is that a tacky? You see you've got me getting carried away.. john Edited February 3, 2009 by john manship
Pete S Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 We are also considering the printing of an exclusive classy t-shirt with I Bid On (45 picture) indeed I did.. only to be given to bidders on the 45 as a bit of exclusive memorabilia.. or is that a tacky? You see you've got me getting carried away.. john Yes it is tacky. It should be printed on a limited edition coffee mug.
Guest moggy Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 Moggy, The raresoulman.co.uk the AUCTION is LIVE! If you are bidding live against other bidders, the program works, that if no bids are received 2 minutes before 18:00hrs the auction is closed by the website exactly on 18:00hrs. If any bids are received after 17.58 the items remains open for an extra 2 minutes to allow a counterbid if there is anyone who wants to do so. If counterbid is made it remains open for a further 2mins to allow you to bid back, if you wish! If you or nobody else bids for within the 2 mins the the last leading bid wins the item for the stated bid increment over your top bid. Winning bids only pay the increment over their nearest rival bid. IE you can bid £3,000 on an item if your nearest rival bids £2200 and the increment is £11 you win the item for £2211. You maximum bids are only known to the bidder. If you Phone bid then only we know your maximum. This system has worked flawlessly for us and bidders for over five years. Below is a link to the workings of the auction as laid out by the creators of the system. Any questions Lisa on 01664 464526 will be happy to clarify. link for rules and regs https://www.raresoulman.co.uk/auction/auction_about.php As for Sotherbys, Christie etc. Our auction has a mailshot of 8,000 with 77,000 unique visitors in January alone. The website last month January 2009 received 12.1 million hits, that depth of website traffic, is one reasons the owner chose us to auction this 45. One point we shall be following is the vetting of every bidder and bid. We are also considering the printing of an exclusive classy t-shirt with I Bid On (45 picture) indeed I did.. only to be given to bidders on the 45 as a bit of exclusive memorabilia.. or is that a tacky? You see you've got me getting carried away.. john John I'll start the bidding at a Tenner Can you post my t-shirt now please
Val (Chunky) Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 John I'll start the bidding at a Tenner Can you post my t-shirt now please £11.....size L please
Steve L Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 Its like Agatha Christie, is this a 3rd copy or not.....the suspense is killing me
Ady Potts Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 ...............We are also considering the printing of an exclusive classy t-shirt with I Bid On (45 picture) indeed I did.. only to be given to bidders on the 45 as a bit of exclusive memorabilia.. or is that a tacky? You see you've got me getting carried away.. john Bet some bugger will boot them. "I've had my t-shirt booted" ! oh no, just thought, John Manships price guide on t-shirts, followed by John Manships t-shirt bootleg guide Just a thought John, can you put a stipulation into the sales write up on this one....It's being sold under the strictest terms that it wont be sat on top of the local chippies deep fat fryer or have love notes written all over the label. Cheers, Ady
Pete S Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 Its like Agatha Christie, is this a 3rd copy or not.....the suspense is killing me Well if it's not Kenny's...and Tim Brown would not let JM auction his own copy...it's got to be a 3rd one. Please excuse me if I don't join in the hysteria everyone, in a straight auction without all this razzamataz it wouldn't make anywhere near 15 grand.
Ian Dewhirst Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 Moggy, We are also considering the printing of an exclusive classy t-shirt with I Bid On (45 picture) indeed I did.. only to be given to bidders on the 45 as a bit of exclusive memorabilia.. or is that a tacky? You see you've got me getting carried away.. John No, that's a BRILLIANT idea John! A FANTASTIC piece of Marketing genius right there mate! That alone could be worth the price of the winning bid in terms of incredible PR for the site and publicity for the auction itself. Face it, it's a once in a lifetime opportunity and I think literally 100's of people would be encouraged to bid just to get the t-shirt (even if they only bid a few quid)! It could be the must-have fashion item for the year and I can see this getting dozens of column inches and exposure right across the media. Whoever came up with that deserves a medal. Seriously. So two questions:- 1) Can I do your PR? 2) Can I do your T-Shirts? If you play this properly, it could be the most widely covered auction story of the year and give Sotheby's some competition for a change. Also the publicity will be absolutely phenomenal in terms of marketing the new website which must be a major plus point. I'll certainly put a bid in on that basis, so order me a triple x large! This could play as a hugely unique once in a lifetime event and you have to market it as such. It's also perfect for those 1 minute 'feel good' slots at the end of the news and I guarantee that no one will be able to resist this story. Forget 77,000 vistors in January - this could bring 100 times that amount easily. Best of luck with it all mate - it's really a one-off opportunity which most of us will never see again in our lifetimes. Ian D
Guest Bearsy Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 I bid £50 & £500 can i have 2 T-Shits please
Ian Dewhirst Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 I bid £50 & £500 can i have 2 T-Shits please T-Shits are slightly more expensive than T-Shirts Bearsy! Also harder to produce to order....... Ian D
Suinoz Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 The story is: We have an email confirmation from a very reliable 100% honest person who wants us to auction FRANK WILSON on SOUL through our auction arena. We used Kenny's 45 scan in the recent ad (with permission) from Ken. Unless the owner fails to follow through and i doubt that very much as I have a long-standing relationship with him and he is a man of his word. there will be a Frank Wilson on auction on the dates noted. (this allows us to do some media advertising) All terms and conditions and an article on the 45 will be inside our MOTOWN 50th. colour catalogue which is available soon and covers all the Motown & Detroit vinyl we have in stock including some mighty fine memorabillia. link https://www.raresoulman.co.uk/d/166669/MOTOWN+VINYL+CATALOGUE £5 fully refundable on purchases What I can tell you is there will be NO RESERVE as John Manship Records is underwriting the owners expected winning bid. IE if the winning bid is £8000 like Pete Smith suggests, we will write the cheque, as if the 45 achieved the owners expectations. We are so confident we can not only achieve his expected price but well exceed it. We have no hesitation in taking this unprecedented step of guaranteeing his offerings value. we are more than confident a Frank Wilson will be up for bids and for winning, on the quoted dates. John Do i detect a French connection here John as you have had a heap of his on your auction site recently ? Was'nt aware he owned one but you can keep anything quiet if you want to eh?? Just curious anyway. You missed a blinder of a night at the FLY last Saturday by the way. Till next time. Tony T BONE. OZ, K.T.F.
Guest Bearsy Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 T-Shits are slightly more expensive than T-Shirts Bearsy! Also harder to produce to order....... Ian D oops
Paul Dunn Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 I seem to remember a dealer in the early ninetees boasting he had bought an entire radio station stock and a Frank Wilson was included, he said it would be up for auction in the near future but I never heard anything further just assumed he never got it. Could he really have sold it privately subject to complete secrecy?
Sunnysoul Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 (edited) If there is another Frank Wilson to be offered for auction by John, it will not surprise. I've said it before on soul source several times over the years that, on the balance of probabilities, there just had to be more copies in existence. Wipe away all the myths that have evolved since the record hit the northern scene in the 70's and think about about all of this logically and sensibly ... and answer the following: Why would would Motown only have pressed up just a handful of demo copies of Frank Wilson - if a handful was in fact all there ever was - if they wanted to promote and break the record with radio stations across America in the normal way as they did with just about all their other releases ? And even if Motown actually pressed up more than a handful, a few boxes of them even, why go to the trouble of destroying them apart from a file copy or two - as the story goes - if Berry Gordy and his Marketing Department had decided against promoting the record ? To prevent the record from becoming becoming popular and avoid having their up and coming young producer Frank Wilson from becoming a performing star ? Don't think so: Gordy was the ultimate pragmatist and if he felt that a record would be a hit and earn the company millions, you can bet he would have put it out ! Frank Wilson wasn't that important to Motown in the general scheme of things in '65 ! And why actually destroy almost all known copies ? They weren't state secrets that had to be shredded out of existence !!! All Motown had to do was toss the boxes away in the vaults and forget about them and that would have been the end of it ! More likely the Motown Marketing Department had simply decided that by this time they were having so many hits on their other more established artists that they couldn't fit the Frank Wilson record into the release schedule at that time to the detriment of one of their other acts. Better to use all their promotional muscle on the next 4 Tops or Miracles release than on Frank Wilson. It's a music industry maxim that one company can only put out a certain amount of product on the market at any one time without affecting their other releases, right ? ......................... Incidentally, I suspect that the winning bidder will be a Motown label completist from the US and that the winning bid will be well over the $40,000.00 to 50,000.00 US mark. ......................... And there are probably more copies of Frank Wilson out there in the world ... possibly in the hands of record collectors who neither know about nor care about the northern scene ... and who have no desire to trumpet the fact that they own it to the northern scene or anyone else for that matter . Edited February 3, 2009 by sunnysoul
Guest Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 I seem to remember a dealer in the early ninetees boasting he had bought an entire radio station stock and a Frank Wilson was included, he said it would be up for auction in the near future but I never heard anything further just assumed he never got it. Could he really have sold it privately subject to complete secrecy? no i remember that one too, all a publicity stunt i'm afraid..
Dave Fleming Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 WTF I dont see it ???? gashwer Gash it`s the 3rd one down the list Dave f..............
John Elias Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 no i remember that one too, all a publicity stunt i'm afraid..
Guest moggy Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 Fook Frank Wilson, now theres three copies JM just print 1 xl T-Shirt and destroy the plates and any evidence lying around, and post the one and only orig to me Manny boy be worth a choofin fortune I gotta be honest though, like Smithy Im pissin me pants waiting to here the full story of how its come about.
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