Guest rigs28 Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 CAN ANYONE TELL ME IF ANY OF THE GRAPEVINE RELEASES ARE WORTH ANYTHING.I HAVE ABOUT TWENTY OR SO IN MY COLLECTION INCLUDING AL WILLIAMS-SAM WILLIAMS-BETTY BOO ETC.CHEERS.
Dave Moore Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 CAN ANYONE TELL ME IF ANY OF THE GRAPEVINE RELEASES ARE WORTH ANYTHING.I HAVE ABOUT TWENTY OR SO IN MY COLLECTION INCLUDING AL WILLIAMS-SAM WILLIAMS-BETTY BOO ETC.CHEERS. Probably the best 'pound for pound' UK label ever as far as NS is concerned. The history behind the releases makes them worth collecting imo. Pete Smith wrote a piece, (when he was a young lad) for Record Collector that recounts John Anderson's involvement in the logo. If you have 20...keep em Mate, get the others and complete the set.
Guest nubes Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 Probably the best 'pound for pound' UK label ever as far as NS is concerned. The history behind the releases makes them worth collecting imo. Pete Smith wrote a piece, (when he was a young lad) for Record Collector that recounts John Anderson's involvement in the logo. If you have 20...keep em Mate, get the others and complete the set. What if you have the complete set bar a couple??...just interested...Delxxxx
Pete S Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 They're worth keeping as they stand together as a great collection but don't believe the hype of people who reckon Al Williams is worth £75. The cheapest are the worst (Come And Get Theses Memories, These Boots) at £3 apiece, the best stuff goes for £15 to £25, but it's worth remembering that practically every record on this label apart from the last few sold a couple of thousand copies each.
Ernie Andrews Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 Distributed by RCA if Im not Mistaken when Richard Searling worked for them!
pikeys dog Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 They're worth keeping as they stand together as a great collection but don't believe the hype of people who reckon Al Williams is worth £75. The cheapest are the worst (Come And Get Theses Memories, These Boots) at £3 apiece, the best stuff goes for £15 to £25, but it's worth remembering that practically every record on this label apart from the last few sold a couple of thousand copies each. Spot on - never paid more than £20 for one - and that was the Sam & Kitty so that I could complete the run.... Nabay has fetched the most in recent years - over £100 - but that was obviously caused by nut jobs having to get the full set as quickly as possible on eBay. Average price / value is probably a tenner. Demos slightly more.
Harry Crosby Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 I often wondered if there were any test presses that never made it to release? was suprised at the time that cecil washington never made a release, there was a rumour going round that they tried for vickie baines, but was stopped by the owners of the track, anyone shed any light on that
Ian Parker Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 I got the album, "talk of the grapevine" cant even remember whats on it
Guest Russ Smith Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 I got the album, "talk of the grapevine" cant even remember whats on it At one stage i had all the issues, albums (even the cassette of the 1st) and all the printed demos( some later ones were stickers over the issues) Never thought they would fetch much, i just loved going down to your local shop at the time and buying the new releases and picking up the demos at niters. Just a brilliant series of releases bar a few, i still have all the demos and would never think of parting with them.. What price for the set of Demos ?
Wiganer1 Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 I often wondered if there were any test presses that never made it to release? was suprised at the time that cecil washington never made a release, there was a rumour going round that they tried for vickie baines, but was stopped by the owners of the track, anyone shed any light on that ====== 137 is the missing one Harry ....was going to be Ronnie & Robin ...
Harry Crosby Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 ====== 137 is the missing one Harry ....was going to be Ronnie & Robin ... cheers mark, was there two albums done as well? remember the talk of the grapevine one, but can`t remember the title of the other
Guest Russ Smith Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 (edited) cheers mark, was there two albums done as well? remember the talk of the grapevine one, but can`t remember the title of the other "This is Northern Soul" was the 2nd LP. Lester Tipton, Al Williams, luther Ingram,Agents, Gil Blanding etc.. etc Edited January 28, 2009 by Russ Smith
Soul-slider Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 cheers mark, was there two albums done as well? remember the talk of the grapevine one, but can`t remember the title of the other 3 albums alltogether: TALK OF THE GRAPEVINE THIS IS NORTHERN SOUL SOUND OF THE GRAPEVINE
Harry Crosby Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 3 albums alltogether: TALK OF THE GRAPEVINE THIS IS NORTHERN SOUL SOUND OF THE GRAPEVINE Thanks for that guys
Guest Russ Smith Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 3 albums alltogether: TALK OF THE GRAPEVINE THIS IS NORTHERN SOUL SOUND OF THE GRAPEVINE Time is not helping my powers of recall.. Just found the 3rd one..Nice one Soul slider !!
Soul-slider Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 Time is not helping my powers of recall.. Just found the 3rd one..Nice one Soul slider !! Russ...! The 3rd one has the Detroit map - (US Motown 45s style) on the cover don't it. I think the second one is the most in-demand, great cover (I did know who the artist was on the cover but I can't recall now ) and different style than the other 2, laminated also but the other 2 weren't. Not sure which of the 3 is the rarest though??
Stuart Bower Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 Probably the best 'pound for pound' UK label ever as far as NS is concerned. The history behind the releases makes them worth collecting imo. Pete Smith wrote a piece, (when he was a young lad) for Record Collector that recounts John Anderson's involvement in the logo. If you have 20...keep em Mate, get the others and complete the set. Got quite a few of `em missen including Lester Tipton, Stanley Woodruff and many others. A legacy from my teenage years-I spent quite a while trying to collect `em all..(but failed) For durability and sound quality over time you can`t beat British -even if they aren`t (for the most part on this label) original sixties/seventies releases..
Ian Dewhirst Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 I often wondered if there were any test presses that never made it to release? was suprised at the time that cecil washington never made a release, there was a rumour going round that they tried for vickie baines, but was stopped by the owners of the track, anyone shed any light on that Releasing Vickie Baines would have meant dealing with the notorious Alan Klein (ex Beatles and Rolling Stones Manager at one time), owner of Abko which owned Cameo-Parkway and he was the most litigious person in the history of the Music Business. I doubt very much if he'd have even bothered about a small release on a little UK label, so John saved himself a whole heap of bother by not releasing that one! Ian D
Pete S Posted January 29, 2009 Posted January 29, 2009 Russ...! The 3rd one has the Detroit map - (US Motown 45s style) on the cover don't it. I think the second one is the most in-demand, great cover (I did know who the artist was on the cover but I can't recall now ) and different style than the other 2, laminated also but the other 2 weren't. Not sure which of the 3 is the rarest though?? The second one has the map cover - the third one paraodies Atalntic's This Is Soul and is the rarest of the 3, though that was mainly for To The Ends Of The Earth and as son as that was booted, demand dropped of again. 15, 20 and 25 for the three lp's.
Harry Crosby Posted January 29, 2009 Posted January 29, 2009 Releasing Vickie Baines would have meant dealing with the notorious Alan Klein (ex Beatles and Rolling Stones Manager at one time), owner of Abko which owned Cameo-Parkway and he was the most litigious person in the history of the Music Business. I doubt very much if he'd have even bothered about a small release on a little UK label, so John saved himself a whole heap of bother by not releasing that one! Ian D Cheers ian, thought i`d heard something like that
Stubbsy Posted January 29, 2009 Posted January 29, 2009 What if you have the complete set bar a couple??...just interested...Delxxxx Del, Then get the other couple, as quickly as possible
Guest moggy Posted January 29, 2009 Posted January 29, 2009 As stated a great UK label with some seriously good choices chosen for release, and super sound quality Sam Williams and Edward Hamilton my faves from the grapevine collection.
Kevinkent Posted January 29, 2009 Posted January 29, 2009 (edited) I had a mate who was working on sign fixing, next door to a record shop in Windsor a couple of years ago. He walks in with "Got any Northern Soul mate?" and is directed out back. Ends up walking out with the whole Grapevine collection, minus 2 I think, for a total of £7 . I drive there a couple of weeks later and it's closed down. Edited January 29, 2009 by KevinKent
Guest nubes Posted January 29, 2009 Posted January 29, 2009 Del, Then get the other couple, as quickly as possible Oh no..it's not me ..just finding out info for me mate ..... ...Delxxxx
Guest nubes Posted January 29, 2009 Posted January 29, 2009 3 albums alltogether: TALK OF THE GRAPEVINE THIS IS NORTHERN SOUL SOUND OF THE GRAPEVINE Just out of interest....how much are these worth if ..out of interest...someone had all three albums??...just being nosy....Delxxxx
Guest vinylvixen Posted January 29, 2009 Posted January 29, 2009 I had a mate who was working on sign fixing, next door to a record shop in Windsor a couple of years ago. He walks in with "Got any Northern Soul mate?" and is directed out back. Ends up walking out with the whole Grapevine collection, minus 2 I think, for a total of £7 . I drive there a couple of weeks later and it's closed down. When I was working in K-Two Records in the Pentagon, Chatham, the RCA rep used to come in with all the Grapevine stuff on demo and say 'Jo, you like all this old rubbish, don't you.....here you go, have them'....they never sold well down South and he was fed up of carting extra weight round in his sales folio. Happy happy days Still got them somewhere....must find them.
Pete S Posted January 29, 2009 Posted January 29, 2009 Just out of interest....how much are these worth if ..out of interest...someone had all three albums??...just being nosy....Delxxxx I priced them a few posts above Del..
Wiganer1 Posted January 29, 2009 Posted January 29, 2009 When I was working in K-Two Records in the Pentagon, Chatham, the RCA rep used to come in with all the Grapevine stuff on demo and say 'Jo, you like all this old rubbish, don't you.....here you go, have them'....they never sold well down South and he was fed up of carting extra weight round in his sales folio. Happy happy days Still got them somewhere....must find them. === there are now some extremely rare 10" acetates,,spellbound - betty boo,,spaceland etc..seen one years ago at wigan..
Guest vinylvixen Posted January 29, 2009 Posted January 29, 2009 === there are now some extremely rare 10" acetates,,spellbound - betty boo,,spaceland etc..seen one years ago at wigan.. These were just the normal 7" demos...sadly
Guest nubes Posted January 29, 2009 Posted January 29, 2009 I priced them a few posts above Del.. Where Pete cant see it mate..soz...Delxxx
Guest Brian Ellis Posted January 29, 2009 Posted January 29, 2009 Where Pete cant see it mate..soz...Delxxx Del See post #19 HTH Brian
Stuart Bower Posted January 29, 2009 Posted January 29, 2009 (edited) Probably the best 'pound for pound' UK label ever as far as NS is concerned. The history behind the releases makes them worth collecting imo. Pete Smith wrote a piece, (when he was a young lad) for Record Collector that recounts John Anderson's involvement in the logo. If you have 20...keep em Mate, get the others and complete the set. And also nice to see that RCA put a few "bonus" tracks on their Grapevine LPs which weren`t issued as Grapevine 45`s- obviously to boost the album sales. I remember people who were primarily Gravevine singles collectors also buying the albums for stuff like "To The Ends Of The Earth" and such.. Edited January 29, 2009 by Stuart Bower
Guest nubes Posted January 29, 2009 Posted January 29, 2009 Del See post #19 HTH Brian ...seen it now ...Thanks Brian.... ...Delxxxxx
arnie j Posted January 29, 2009 Posted January 29, 2009 i think larry clinton-shes wanted in three states is quite sought after on grapevine also
Stuart Bower Posted January 29, 2009 Posted January 29, 2009 i think larry clinton-shes wanted in three states is quite sought after on grapevine also Also you don`t see stuff like Flame N` King-Ho Happy Day/Bold Ones-Ain`t Nobody Jivin` often anymore...
Wiganer1 Posted January 29, 2009 Posted January 29, 2009 These were just the normal 7" demos...sadly ==== no jo,,the ones i seen were 10" inch acetates at wigan tiffs circa 82..i think john vincent had them...appaerntly they were sent to certain djs..
Pete S Posted January 29, 2009 Posted January 29, 2009 Was all of them from master tapes ?? No there are a few dubbed from vinyl - in fact I;d say over half of them - thats why the Tomangoes was scrapped, the quality was poor having been dubbed off a VG++ single
paup-ine Posted January 30, 2009 Posted January 30, 2009 (edited) Just a bit of useless info! In 2004 the entire collection got to £268.67 (reserve not met) on Ebay. Just thought I'd share it with you!! P The old 100 series that is. Edited January 30, 2009 by paup-ine
Andybellwood Posted January 30, 2009 Posted January 30, 2009 (edited) I often wondered if there were any test presses that never made it to release? was suprised at the time that cecil washington never made a release, there was a rumour going round that they tried for vickie baines, but was stopped by the owners of the track, anyone shed any light on that steve plumb has a test press for sale on his site NORTH YORKSHIRE SOUL CLUB @ THE RILEY SMITH HALL, TADCASTER. YORKSHIRE. LS24 9JB. SAT 28th MARCH .7.30 pm til' 01.00. Late bars & caf. Large (free) car park opposite. Recently restored 1920s Art Deco ballroom with balcony . Fantastic wooden dance floor (reputedly the largest sprung dance floor in England) 2ND room for rarer & underplayed soul. DJ's PAT BRADY, NEIL RUSHTON, COLIN WOOD, STEVE WOOMBLE, MARTIN BYRD, JOHN PARKER, TONY HATFIELD, ANDY BELLWOOD, DAVE JAMES (Original Whafedale Soul Club DJ).Tickets:£4 adv/ £5 door. NEW WEBSITE LAUNCHED https://www.imonmyway.me.uk/index.html Info Dale Byers Tel 07709276357, Tony Hatfield Tel 07742054847. Future 09 dates: Frid 22 May, Frid 23 Oct, Sat 19 Dec (Xmas party) Edited January 30, 2009 by andybellwood
Andybellwood Posted January 30, 2009 Posted January 30, 2009 (edited) Just a bit of useless info! In 2004 the entire collection got to £268.67 (reserve not met) on Ebay. Just thought I'd share it with you!! P here you are..... https://www..co.uk/product_detail.asp?id=3048 NORTH YORKSHIRE SOUL CLUB @ THE RILEY SMITH HALL, TADCASTER. YORKSHIRE. LS24 9JB. SAT 28th MARCH .7.30 pm til' 01.00. Late bars & caf. Large (free) car park opposite. Recently restored 1920s Art Deco ballroom with balcony . Fantastic wooden dance floor (reputedly the largest sprung dance floor in England) 2ND room for rarer & underplayed soul. DJ's PAT BRADY, NEIL RUSHTON, COLIN WOOD, STEVE WOOMBLE, MARTIN BYRD, JOHN PARKER, TONY HATFIELD, ANDY BELLWOOD, DAVE JAMES (Original Whafedale Soul Club DJ).Tickets:£4 adv/ £5 door. NEW WEBSITE LAUNCHED https://www.imonmyway.me.uk/index.html Info Dale Byers Tel 07709276357, Tony Hatfield Tel 07742054847. Future 09 dates: Frid 22 May, Frid 23 Oct, Sat 19 Dec (Xmas party) Edited January 30, 2009 by andybellwood
Pete S Posted January 30, 2009 Posted January 30, 2009 here you are..... https://www..co.uk/product_detail.asp?id=3048 Thats a completely different label unfortunately..
Steve Plumb Posted January 30, 2009 Posted January 30, 2009 The second one has the map cover - the third one paraodies Atalntic's This Is Soul and is the rarest of the 3, though that was mainly for To The Ends Of The Earth and as son as that was booted, demand dropped of again. 15, 20 and 25 for the three lp's. And that's exactly how much I have them for sale Pete https://www.soulmusic.co.uk/LP_List_Various.htm Only yesterday I loaded a truck load of Northern compilations! Cheers Steve
Pete S Posted January 30, 2009 Posted January 30, 2009 And that's exactly how much I have them for sale Pete https://www.soulmusic.co.uk/LP_List_Various.htm Only yesterday I loaded a truck load of Northern compilations! Cheers Steve Smashing list that Steve.
Steve Plumb Posted January 30, 2009 Posted January 30, 2009 steve plumb has a test press for sale on his site Hi Andy This is the Grapevine 2000 series not the original 70's releases! (It can be found here www.soulmusic.co.uk/Default.htm ) btw I do have one or two test pressings and a handful of demos of some of the later series for sale. I know i've posted it before BUT here it is again Fascinating Fact - Grapevine 2000 only made Test Pressings of releases 100 to 112 (& strangely enough #153!) Only 14 out of a total of 63 releases! 100-104 are blank labels & 105-112 (& #153) have custom made labels. Cheers Steve
Steve Plumb Posted January 30, 2009 Posted January 30, 2009 Smashing list that Steve. Thank you Mr Smith
Patto Posted February 1, 2009 Posted February 1, 2009 Something magical about the first Grapevines,Lots of prices seen on them over the years.Took me ages to get Flame N King,Lester Tipton,and Flaming Emeralds Demos.Some of them just don't come up for sale much.Sean Chapman,and Pat Brady always have a few for sale
Guest Brett F Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 I often wondered if there were any test presses that never made it to release? was suprised at the time that cecil washington never made a release, there was a rumour going round that they tried for vickie baines, but was stopped by the owners of the track, anyone shed any light on that Hi Harry, i have the later Grapevine 2000 series 45' of Percy Stone's "Chained" that was demo only, but(i believe) was withdrawn (for whatever reasons?). Always wanted the Betty Boo 45', the one that was an unreleased thing (once again i think it was unreleased till grapevine cut it) Brett
Freebie Posted February 9, 2009 Posted February 9, 2009 I was reading through this thread and it got me wondering about some of the other compilation albums I've got. I've never been a serious collector (as some of the titles below might show) but I was just curious as to the collectability of them even if its just for novelty purposes: Out on the Floor Tonight (Inferno 001) featuring Dobie Gray, Frank Beverley, The Cairstairs, Four Perfections etc. Keeping the Faith Vol.2 (PRC5573) featuring Joy Lovejoy, Mitch Ryder, Casualeers and sleeve notes by Tilly Rutherford (one time associate of Pete Waterman?) Chess/Janus Mobile Discotheque Vol.1(6310 128) featuring Denise Lasalle, Fontella Bass, Soulful Strings, Tony Clarke etc. The Best of Northern Tracks (Spark SRLM 502) featuring Tommy Hunt, Gene Latter, Wigans Ovation??) Stax Northern Disco Sounds(PYE label with STXB3002 number) featuring sleeve note by DJ Frank(Ian Dewhirst) and tunes by William Bell,Johnny Taylor, Major Lance etc. I also have some of the first releases of albums under the Kent label from the 6T's/100Club crew(For Dancers Only, For Dancers Also, Moving On Up). If anybody can shed any light that would be great. Thanks.
Guest Posted February 9, 2009 Posted February 9, 2009 Just a bit of useless info! In 2004 the entire collection got to £268.67 (reserve not met) on Ebay. Just thought I'd share it with you!! P The old 100 series that is. Early 2007 I bought an entire run of the original Grapevines, 80% of them being demos off ebay for £345. All mint/EX+. As soon as I got them I split them up and listed them individually on ebay and got a combined price of £728.....one of the quickest and easiest £250 I ever made . Though do sometimes wish I had kept them, as has been said some great tracks on those 45s. Adam.
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