How Do They Get Away With This?

[Pete S]

It's so blatant but Ebay take no notice

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NORTHERN-SOUL-2-CD-C...%3A1|240%3A1318

[Steve G]

It's so blatant but Ebay take no notice

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NORTHERN-SOUL-2-CD-C...%3A1|240%3A1318

Beats me Pete. Ebay is getting more like I-Offer every day.

[Pete S]

And another one

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/57-NORTHERN-SOUL-ALB...%3A1|240%3A1318

this ones on every week

[Guest]

It's so blatant but Ebay take no notice

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NORTHERN-SOUL-2-CD-C...%3A1|240%3A1318

AMAZING, BUT THE WORST THING IS, THERE'S ALWAYS SOME IDIOT THAT'LL BUY FROM THESE TOSSERS

[Pete S]

AMAZING, BUT THE WORST THING IS, THERE'S ALWAYS SOME IDIOT THAT'LL BUY FROM THESE TOSSERS

They don't even look any good though, the second one ripped off that badge from oneof the Aussie soul sites.

And if I were going to do them at least I'd give them value for money and do 15,000 tracks at a time

[Guest Awake 502]

It's so blatant but Ebay take no notice

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NORTHERN-SOUL-2-CD-C...%3A1|240%3A1318

Looking at his feedback, someone actually paid £62.00, a fool and his money.....

[Wiganer1]

Looking at his feedback, someone actually paid £62.00, a fool and his money.....

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been thinkin about this recently some1 is booting rebooting everything...making ebay a very dull trawl...........

[Epic]

Think there was a discussion about OOTP bootlegs on here a couple of weeks ago - it's been going on since the Northern Soul year dot what why all the indignation & surprise?

Let's be really honest here we have all bought pressings at one time or another & before the soulier than thou brigade start chipping in, this remark is aimed at people aged around 50 who could only afford pressings back in 1972/73.

Surprise for me is that anyone would want these inferior looking CDs when your local supermarket can furnish you with any number of Northern Soul CDs at a bargain price.

[Pete S]

Think there was a discussion about OOTP bootlegs on here a couple of weeks ago - it's been going on since the Northern Soul year dot what why all the indignation & surprise?

Let's be really honest here we have all bought pressings at one time or another & before the soulier than thou brigade start chipping in, this remark is aimed at people aged around 50 who could only afford pressings back in 1972/73.

Surprise for me is that anyone would want these inferior looking CDs when your local supermarket can furnish you with any number of Northern Soul CDs at a bargain price.

Thats more or less what I meant really - packaging looks so shoddy for a start

[Guest bazrico]

AMAZING, BUT THE WORST THING IS, THERE'S ALWAYS SOME IDIOT THAT'LL BUY FROM THESE TOSSERS

and why not it's a free market out there. let me ask you a question do you pay royalties when you buy records or sell them i think not

[Hermanthegerman]

The problem is today´s techniques, every tighta... can do a CD on his computer for a few pence.

But who collects CDs anyway?

[Guest bazrico]

The problem is today´s techniques, every tighta... can do a CD on his computer for a few pence.

But who collects CDs anyway?

no problem there nearly evey one i know and i might add most record dealers sell cds bootleg or not

[Ric-tic]

It's so blatant but Ebay take no notice

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NORTHERN-SOUL-2-CD-C...%3A1|240%3A1318

i saw someone else selling that earlier today and that guy is also knocking up russ winstanleys new 4 c.d set and ian dewhursts mecca /wigan.wheel/torch set at £20 what a nerve especially the latter as they are on sale at my h.m.v for £3 each so i could get the real deal for £12

if someone speaks to russ or ian please let them know...

Edited January 24, 2009 by ric-tic

[Guest bazrico]

Think there was a discussion about OOTP bootlegs on here a couple of weeks ago - it's been going on since the Northern Soul year dot what why all the indignation & surprise?

Let's be really honest here we have all bought pressings at one time or another & before the soulier than thou brigade start chipping in, this remark is aimed at people aged around 50 who could only afford pressings back in 1972/73.

Surprise for me is that anyone would want these inferior looking CDs when your local supermarket can furnish you with any number of Northern Soul CDs at a bargain price.

excuse me but do think that those who were around pre 1972/73 could only afford pressing let me tell you i think not we in those days we could only buy originals.

[Guest bazrico]

i saw someone else selling that earlier today and that guy is also knocking up russ winstanleys new 4 c.d set and ian dewhursts mecca /wigan.wheel/torch set at £20 what a nerve especially the latter as they are on sale at my h.m.v for £3 each so i could get the real deal for £12

if someone speaks to russ or ian please let them know...

you have been around a while you know someone will try to make a quick £ if they can so why knock them, a fool is soon departed with there money

[pow wow mik]

and why not it's a free market out there. let me ask you a question do you pay royalties when you buy records or sell them i think not

you're not legally or morally obligated to. A record, even if made as a demo or acetate, is a product that once released onto a market is under the ownership of the buyer. Only reproduction for profit or public use of the music on it is illegal.

These sellers are infringing copyright and making a profit from smething that they do not own.

[Mattbolton]

you're not legally or morally obligated to. A record, even if made as a demo or acetate, is a product that once released onto a market is under the ownership of the buyer. Only reproduction for profit or public use of the music on it is illegal.

These sellers are infringing copyright and making a profit from smething that they do not own.

I was thinking of knocking off loads of 100 Club recordings gleaned from a 2 bob recorder with a microphone the size of a pea. Loads of unissued stuff and rarities. Will even cut out the talking over the start and end of the track so you can enjoy them in a concise, but albeit pure, format. Plenty of soundbites of Butch talking and if you listen closely enough you can just about hear Mick dancing to Eric Lomax.

This is one for the true soul connoiseur.

Anyone interested?

(If there's no takers I'm just gonna ebay it for the benefit of the Japanese)

[boba]

and why not it's a free market out there. let me ask you a question do you pay royalties when you buy records or sell them i think not

any criminal activity, especially ones that rip off the original artists, is okay legally and morally, you know, because "it's a free market". if your car gets stolen, that's cool too because it's a free country.

the bigger target of people's hate, more than these bs dvds and even vinyl bootlegs, should be the unlicensed mass produced and well distributed CD compilations.

[Ady Croasdell]

any criminal activity, especially ones that rip off the original artists, is okay legally and morally, you know, because "it's a free market". if your car gets stolen, that's cool too because it's a free country.

the bigger target of people's hate, more than these bs dvds and even vinyl bootlegs, should be the unlicensed mass produced and well distributed CD compilations.

Nice one Bob.

[Ian Dewhirst]

i saw someone else selling that earlier today and that guy is also knocking up russ winstanleys new 4 c.d set and ian dewhursts mecca /wigan.wheel/torch set at £20 what a nerve especially the latter as they are on sale at my h.m.v for £3 each so i could get the real deal for £12

if someone speaks to russ or ian please let them know...

Actually I am aware of these things Ric-Tic. Someone actually posted the Vespa DVD up on a Music Biz forum and it was then subsequently reported to the MCPS, where, as per usual, nothing has happened, or at least nothing that I'm aware of.

However I'm afraid that we're now living in age where I think all bets are off. To put things in context, you could easily have gone into HMV in Oxford St anytime over the last 10 years and freely bought bootlegs of most major label stuff which was displayed on the wall! I've actually been there with a guy from Universal and literally picked up half a dozen 'import' bootlegs of their repertoire and stuff which we were in the process of legitimately re-issuing. He bought the offending items and........nothing ever happened.

And then you look at the latest International Federation Of The Phonographic Industry report and read that 95% of all music downloads are illegal where 40 billion illegal music files were shared last year - https://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/jan/1...legal-downloads. I actually think that figure is b*llocks. By my reckoning it's at least 10 times that!

So given the above and the fact that I can walk into half a dozen shops within 30 minutes of here and see bootleg RnB, Hip-Hop and Rare-Groove albums on display and being sold, I'd say that the E-Bay stuff is at the bottom of a long, long list.

In 1994 I put out a TV advertised Al Green compilation called "Al" which caused me a considerable amount of stress because of the huge level of investment which was required - we needed to sell around 30,000 copies to break-even with the cost of the TV campaign. In the second week of the albums release I happened to be in Camden on a visit to Rhythm records and I noticed a street stall selling bootleg CD's and right in the middle of the CD's on display I saw a badly photocopied copy of my album which was selling @ £3 or 2 for £5. So I went up to the stall and picked the CD up and examined it and said to the bloke, "Do you realise this is a bootleg"? He said, "If I were you I'd f*ck off mate" so I tipped his stall over and then got in a fight with him and two other blokes who appeared out of nowhere.

End result? I was arrested for causing an affray!

And the CD stall carried on selling bootlegs, seeminly immune to any kind of law enforcement.

So I'm pretty cynical about the enforcement against bootleggers. Most record companies don't want to bother going through the legal processes of busting bootleggers and incurring the legal expenses which they'll probably never recoup. The majority of small bootleg busts lead nowhere, so I guess they try and target the bigger operations.

It's a pisser but there's seemingly little we can do about it. I worry about how long the legitimate Record/CD business will last...........

Ian D

[Benji]

I think the question, is selling bootleg CDs ok or not, simply depends on the amount of copies and money involved.

Knocking together CDs with the same old played out oldies and selling 100s of copies over the internet or at venues for ridiculous prices is not on, period.

But selling a few copies of homemade CDs with not so obvious tracks for a few quid is ok with me. It's the natural successor to the homemade tapes that people used to sell at venues (or in some cases may still do), isn't it?

[paultp]

I think the question, is selling bootleg CDs ok or not, simply depends on the amount of copies and money involved.

Knocking together CDs with the same old played out oldies and selling 100s of copies over the internet or at venues for ridiculous prices is not on, period.

But selling a few copies of homemade CDs with not so obvious tracks for a few quid is ok with me. It's the natural successor to the homemade tapes that people used to sell at venues (or in some cases may still do), isn't it?

People bootlegging issued CD's on any scale is just not on IMHO because it deters the legal issuers from producing any more.

I used to sell CDs off the These Old Shoes web site, I got them directly from Goldmine, Kent and a few distributers at trade prices and sold them for not much profit. I stopped because sales dropped due to people bootlegging them and selling them round the scene and on ebay.

Edited January 29, 2009 by paultp

[Benji]

People bootlegging issued CD's on any scale is just not on IMHO because it deters the legal issuers from producing any more.

I used to sell CDs off the These Old Shoes web site, I got them directly from Goldmine, Kent and a few distributers at trade prices and sold them for not much profit. I stopped because sales dropped due to people bootlegging them and selling them round the scene and on ebay.

Paul, bootlegging legally issued CDs is something completely different and anyone doing this should get reported to the authorities, banned from venues or whatever to stop doing that. My post was only about homemade CDs.

[Davetay]

excuse me but do think that those who were around pre 1972/73 could only afford pressing let me tell you i think not we in those days we could only buy originals.

Sorry i don,t get this post!

Are you saying that back than there was no pressings?

Or are you saying that every N S fan was in the Soul Police and would not buy pressings?

[Guest moggy]

Just to throw my adjustable spanner in the works

Is everyone on here also saying they have never watched a booted DVD of the latest film etc, cos it was £2 quid and the chances of you going the cinema or buying it legit were about as likely as 50 FW turning up

I along with many others bought the 25p shit looking and in most cases shit sounding boots of the 70ts, cos it was all I could afford then, and no one gave a rats arse back then.

Not saying it's right

Just stating, you would have to have been born in the back of beyond not to have encountered some type of rip off, whatever it may be, not just music, and can you honestly say not guilty, whether it be a washing machine through the back door, to hooky clobber, and dodgy DVDs

Regards

Nasty Nigel

[Guest Bearsy]

Just to throw my adjustable spanner in the works

Is everyone on here also saying they have never watched a booted DVD of the latest film etc, cos it was £2 quid and the chances of you going the cinema or buying it legit were about as likely as 50 FW turning up

I along with many others bought the 25p shit looking and in most cases shit sounding boots of the 70ts, cos it was all I could afford then, and no one gave a rats arse back then.

Not saying it's right

Just stating, you would have to have been born in the back of beyond not to have encountered some type of rip off, whatever it may be, not just music, and can you honestly say not guilty, whether it be a washing machine through the back door, to hooky clobber, and dodgy DVDs

Regards

Nasty Nigel

I can honestly say i have never bought seen looked at or watched played danced to shagged to or heard anything booted in my whole life

except the odd 1000 or 2 porn films and a few records and a few lates release dvds and the odd bit that fell off a back of a lorry and at crimbo bought me brother the odd snide shirt or 2 but no apart from that i can honestly say i aint

[Guest Bogue]

People bootlegging issued CD's on any scale is just not on IMHO because it deters the legal issuers from producing any more.

I used to sell CDs off the These Old Shoes web site, I got them directly from Goldmine, Kent and a few distributers at trade prices and sold them for not much profit. I stopped because sales dropped due to people bootlegging them and selling them round the scene and on ebay.

To me this is worse than the old 45 bootlegs...those were of obscure records that were never going to earn the artists anything anyhow. Or the record companies really..as they never seemed keen on re-issuing at the time.

But in these cases it destroys the market for the likes of Kent...who legaly put these tunes out...& so hurts everyone connected with NS. Because lets face it ...if they were forced to shut up shop we would all be the poorer for the loss of the previously unavailable or unobtainable tunes that they continue to painstakingly eek out !

Paul, bootlegging legally issued CDs is something completely different and anyone doing this should get reported to the authorities, banned from venues or whatever to stop doing that. My post was only about homemade CDs.

The thing is though Paul, the source for these is more than likely the issued CD's....they just mix up the order a bit to cover the fact.

Just to throw my adjustable spanner in the works

Is everyone on here also saying they have never watched a booted DVD of the latest film etc, cos it was £2 quid and the chances of you going the cinema or buying it legit were about as likely as 50 FW turning up

I along with many others bought the 25p shit looking and in most cases shit sounding boots of the 70ts, cos it was all I could afford then, and no one gave a rats arse back then.

Not saying it's right

Just stating, you would have to have been born in the back of beyond not to have encountered some type of rip off, whatever it may be, not just music, and can you honestly say not guilty, whether it be a washing machine through the back door, to hooky clobber, and dodgy DVDs

Regards

Nasty Nigel

It's 'Knock off Nigel' by the way oh dispicable fury scumbag