Simsy Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 I'd go with two already mentioned, Melvin Moore & Margaret Little. Also the track that Butch covers as Rita & The Tiaras - Out of your life? Mick H has also..
Guest POTTERIESPECK Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 DANNY MONDAY'S - BABY WITHOUT YOU. THINK SAM BROKE IT ANYWAY. I FIRST HEARD HIM PLAY IT AT TIFFS,NEWCASTLE AROUND ABOUT 74-75.
Jumpinjoan Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 'Love Finds a Way' Margaret Little? Brian Jeez, what an awful record. Pants even
MarkWhiteley Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 Jeez, what an awful record. Pants even Joan you are so right Think amongst Sams recent plays, Second Re$surection -' Youre Done, Let Daylight Catch You' is the one that does it for me M.
ockers Posted January 22, 2009 Posted January 22, 2009 the best thing ive ever heard him play was ronnie barnes youve got my heart i think the other side is a belter too but rarely hear that it was a poorly attended gig at palm court southport early 1990 i think got there in the back of kev edwards van with barrie may and one or two other reprobates ellipses people recently was a cracker played out at the orwell last couple of years
Freebie Posted January 22, 2009 Posted January 22, 2009 Don't know about best or worst, but a tune I always associate with Soul Sam is Over The Top by Roy Dawson (if I remember correctly it was covered up as something else but i can't remember what). It always reminds me of Sundays at Birmingham Locarno, whenever Sam was on this guy would appear out of the dark and scary Bali Hai room and start doing his thing, usually to just one or two records but it always included Over the Top. Loved the tune then love it now.
SteveM Posted January 22, 2009 Posted January 22, 2009 Don't know about best or worst, but a tune I always associate with Soul Sam is Over The Top by Roy Dawson (if I remember correctly it was covered up as something else but i can't remember what). It always reminds me of Sundays at Birmingham Locarno, whenever Sam was on this guy would appear out of the dark and scary Bali Hai room and start doing his thing, usually to just one or two records but it always included Over the Top. Loved the tune then love it now. James Mack and the Chicago Gangsters ! 1
Jumpinjoan Posted January 22, 2009 Posted January 22, 2009 Joan you are so right Don't you think it would be the perfect song for Cilla Black? I love Soul Sam. It doesn't matter whether you rate what he's playing or not, his enthusiam and devotion to soul music and the soul scene is second to none. 3
Freebie Posted January 22, 2009 Posted January 22, 2009 James Mack and the Chicago Gangsters ! I knew somebody would come up with the answer, thanks, these memory lapses can do your head in.
Joesoul1958 Posted February 11, 2019 Posted February 11, 2019 Tommy Dent (Soul Thing) Cobblestone, not just because of it’s rarity, but what an absolute banger of a tune,
Ted Massey Posted February 12, 2019 Posted February 12, 2019 On 17/01/2009 at 19:59, Alan Pollard said: As far as I know Sam was first to play Tolbert "I've got it" Rojac so I'll nominate that one. Regards Alan He bought that from me for the Lucky Man side i didn't know what i had a at the time lol
DtheD Posted February 12, 2019 Posted February 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Ted Massey said: He bought that from me for the Lucky Man side i didn't know what i had a at the time lol ....and that was after he ran up (yes literally) on to the stage to ask me what it was when i played it at one of lynn Taylors do's in the Midlands... 2
Tomangoes Posted February 12, 2019 Posted February 12, 2019 Too many to mention from his Snaith all dayers but nearly all with a modern twist, and as I recall new releases. As mentioned earlier, this stood out: Ed
Kegsy Posted February 12, 2019 Posted February 12, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ted Massey said: He bought that from me for the Lucky Man side i didn't know what i had a at the time lol 9 minutes ago, DtheD said: ....and that was after he ran up (yes literally) on to the stage to ask me what it was when i played it at one of lynn Taylors do's in the Midlands... As usual, who is perceived to have played it first and who actually played it first of often differ. I seem to remember the Second Re$surection, mentioned earlier, being a Mecca play, probably Colin. Edited February 12, 2019 by Kegsy 1
Chalky Posted February 12, 2019 Posted February 12, 2019 I don’t think Margaret Little was Sam first, Mark Speakman if memory serves. Dynamics was a Gavin Page spin back in the early 90s, long before any mentioned here.
Mike Posted February 12, 2019 Posted February 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, chalky said: I don’t think Margaret Little was Sam first, Mark Speakman if memory serves. Dynamics was a Gavin Page spin back in the early 90s, long before any mentioned here. nah Chalky fairly sure sam had it before mark anyway the topics not about his 'first plays' - its about his 'plays' 1
Tomangoes Posted February 12, 2019 Posted February 12, 2019 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Kegsy said: As usual, who is perceived to have played it first and who actually played it first of often differ. I seem to remember the Second Re$surection, mentioned earlier, being a Mecca play, probably Colin. YouTube is full of tributes to the Mecca playlists...if it was broken there, it will probably be listed. Personally I can't remember this being played in the 70s, but maybe it was a one play wonder Edited February 12, 2019 by tomangoes Spello
Chalky Posted February 12, 2019 Posted February 12, 2019 13 minutes ago, mike said: nah Chalky fairly sure sam had it before mark anyway the topics not about his 'first plays' - its about his 'plays' Yep yer right just found an old topic... If weare talking what Sam has played then the list will be endless
Kegsy Posted February 12, 2019 Posted February 12, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, tomangoes said: YouTube is full of tributes to the Mecca playlists...if it was broken there, it will probably be listed. Personally I can remember this being played in the 70s, but maybe it was a one play wonder When the all nighter crowd left the Mecca to set off to wherever, and the crowd thinned out later on, there were dozens of new/recent 70's releases played in the last couple of hours. Due to the "Carstairs" split in the scene, many never really reached the nighter scene, and gained more exposure, until much later. Stevens & Foster, Innersection, Bettye Swann Kiss My Love, Sam Dees Fragile...... to name just a few. Quite often the records were played for a couple of weeks only then replaced with other new releases. Edited February 12, 2019 by Kegsy 2
Mike Posted February 12, 2019 Posted February 12, 2019 Just now, chalky said: Yep yer right just found an old topic... yeah i can remember sam playing it at the carlton llandudno sunday night the weekend he first got it Just now, chalky said: If weare talking what Sam has played then the list will be endless yep my fault, should have said about 'best plays' 1
Tomangoes Posted February 12, 2019 Posted February 12, 2019 57 minutes ago, Kegsy said: When the all nighter crowd left the Mecca to set off to wherever, and the crowd thinned out later on, there were dozens of new/recent 70's releases played in the last couple of hours. Due to the "Carstairs" split in the scene, many never really reached the nighter scene, and gained more exposure, until much later. Stevens & Foster, Innersection, Bettye Swann Kiss My Love, Sam Dees Fragile...... to name just a few. Quite often the records were played for a couple of weeks only then replaced with other new releases. Yes, I heard that was the case with records sometimes only getting one spin. Only went a few times myself.... Felt out of my comfort zone surrounded by mohair jumpers and drainpipe keks with bondage straps.....:) Loved most of the playlists though. Ed
Guest Posted February 12, 2019 Posted February 12, 2019 (edited) First time I heard "Say It Isn't So" by Betty Boo around 1978. It was a new sound to the Northern Scene and it was Soul Sam who played it that night! Maybe not the first to have it, I don't know, but it was great to hear! A Northern Soul classic. Both the record and the man who played it! Edited February 12, 2019 by Guest
Ted Massey Posted February 12, 2019 Posted February 12, 2019 5 hours ago, mike said: nah Chalky fairly sure sam had it before mark anyway the topics not about his 'first plays' - its about his 'plays' Sam bought it of Ady Pierce John Anderson had never seen or heard of one before 5k i think
Kegsy Posted February 12, 2019 Posted February 12, 2019 26 minutes ago, Ted Massey said: Sam bought it of Ady Pierce John Anderson had never seen or heard of one before 5k i think Which means, in my experiences of dealing with Sam, Ady probably wanted 10k for it and was lucky to get 5.
Mal C Posted February 12, 2019 Posted February 12, 2019 I dont think this will be heralded as one of his very best or remembered but I very much like Cornel Gunter / love In my heart on Together Heard sam played that first? Mal
Hooker1951 Posted February 12, 2019 Posted February 12, 2019 Don’t want to sound disrespectful but he,s also played thousands off records that were absolutely rubbish , never ever heard him play a full hour of good tunes yet, Rose tinted glasses spring to mind, Anyway each to their own. No offence meant just the truth ML
Chas Posted February 12, 2019 Posted February 12, 2019 This sought after track from Sam, album or 45,it matters not when they're this good. Also briefly a killer version of 'a new day begins' by the changing times which has to be heard to be believed!. Strangely going back to Mr Manship after very limited exposure. Mmm. 1
Theothertosspot Posted February 12, 2019 Posted February 12, 2019 On 18/01/2009 at 21:05, phild said: Don Gardner - Cheating Kind. Can there be any record to even approach this from Sam's lengthy playlists over the years? Did JM first play this at the Manchester Ritz and it cleared the floor. He then promptly sold it to Ian Levine for £3. I think the copy then found it’s way to Sam who made it big (Also the Vicar had a copy) Think I’m correct, sure I’ll be told if I’m not
Tomangoes Posted February 12, 2019 Posted February 12, 2019 3 hours ago, Hooker1951 said: Don’t want to sound disrespectful but he,s also played thousands off records that were absolutely rubbish , never ever heard him play a full hour of good tunes yet, Rose tinted glasses spring to mind, Anyway each to their own. No offence meant just the truth ML Name 5 absolutely rubbish records he played first... Name 1 record you've broke. No disrespect? Ed
Popular Post Hooker1951 Posted February 13, 2019 Popular Post Posted February 13, 2019 9 hours ago, tomangoes said: Name 5 absolutely rubbish records he played first... Name 1 record you've broke. No disrespect? Ed Hi Tomangoes i don’t remember rubbish records but I will say this if the question had been Sam,s worst records you would have needed a set of Encyclopedias to list them all .I know from experience over the years I’ve had to follow him on after his spot on numerous occasions to a dance floor where the only thing missing was a bit of tumbleweed blowing across it . I’m just doing a little bit of Arron Neville I’m telling it like is , To much Emperor,s new Clothes on this site instead of honesty if you like Soul Sam,s music good luck to you . I Don’t . That’s what as ruined this scene lack of truth I didn’t ask the question just gave an honest answer to it. There are a little too many false idols on this scene It’s the Music what’s the boss. Again no Offence meant just the truth . ML 6
Hooker1951 Posted February 13, 2019 Posted February 13, 2019 Hi Tomangoes It’s not for me to say what records I’ve broke it’s for other people to remember I wouldn’t be so vain as to say I was the first to play a tune but I do know this that I’ve played many a tune what well done Dj, s have come to ask me what it was , what label it was on , how much was it? And they hadn’t heard it before that’s enough for me. Come to think of it I broke six records one night when I dropped my box, ML 3
Guest Spain pete Posted February 13, 2019 Posted February 13, 2019 14 hours ago, Hooker1951 said: Don’t want to sound disrespectful but he,s also played thousands off records that were absolutely rubbish , never ever heard him play a full hour of good tunes yet, Rose tinted glasses spring to mind, Anyway each to their own. No offence meant just the truth ML Don't matter what he plays that's up to him one man's meat and all that but what he's all about is he's devotion and passion for soul music in all its guises and that's enough for me
Hooker1951 Posted February 13, 2019 Posted February 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, Spain pete said: Don't matter what he plays that's up to him one man's meat and all that but what he's all about is he's devotion and passion for soul music in all its guises and that's enough for me It should matter what he plays, he,s supposed to be entertaining and kicking a vibe in for the crowd not playing maybe one tune in a full set for some anorak that’s what’s up with this scene it does matter, And the scene will continue to decline unless most people demand it matters, ML 1
Tomangoes Posted February 13, 2019 Posted February 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Hooker1951 said: Hi Tomangoes i don’t remember rubbish records but I will say this if the question had been Sam,s worst records you would have needed a set of Encyclopedias to list them all .I know from experience over the years I’ve had to follow him on after his spot on numerous occasions to a dance floor where the only thing missing was a bit of tumbleweed blowing across it . I’m just doing a little bit of Arron Neville I’m telling it like is , To much Emperor,s new Clothes on this site instead of honesty if you like Soul Sam,s music good luck to you . I Don’t . That’s what as ruined this scene lack of truth I didn’t ask the question just gave an honest answer to it. There are a little too many false idols on this scene It’s the Music what’s the boss. Again no Offence meant just the truth . ML Don't hold back! But the devil is in the detail. There is no detail. I doubt Martin has even broke 0000's of records in any case, good or bad. First time I've heard one DJ slag another one off, but maybe you are the first to break a silence! Ed
Guest Spain pete Posted February 13, 2019 Posted February 13, 2019 24 minutes ago, Hooker1951 said: It should matter what he plays, he,s supposed to be entertaining and kicking a vibe in for the crowd not playing maybe one tune in a full set for some anorak that’s what’s up with this scene it does matter, And the scene will continue to decline unless most people demand it matters, ML but that's your opinion simples! don't go near the geezer and go to a oldies night only
Hooker1951 Posted February 13, 2019 Posted February 13, 2019 There are thousands of details thousands of punters who know the truth who have heard and seen what happened at various venues over the years they are the forgotten majority , Im not slagging Sam of at all he might be a fine human being I don’t know him that well but I do know that I am not fond of his spots and some of the music he plays and this is a soul forum isn’t it? Everybody,s got their own unique opinion and that’s mine and I will stick by it . It’s nothing personal we will have to agree to disagree, if I had to go into detail now that would be something else. ML 1
Hooker1951 Posted February 13, 2019 Posted February 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Spain pete said: but that's your opinion simples! don't go near the geezer and go to a oldies night only I will go where I want when I want and there is nobody on this scene capable of stopping me ML 1
Guest Spain pete Posted February 13, 2019 Posted February 13, 2019 17 minutes ago, Hooker1951 said: I will go where I want when I want and there is nobody on this scene capable of stopping me ML so accept him for what he is like people accept you they can't all be fans of yours
Mike Posted February 13, 2019 Posted February 13, 2019 22 minutes ago, Hooker1951 said: I will go where I want when I want and there is nobody on this scene capable of stopping me ML 3 minutes ago, Spain pete said: so accept him for what he is like people accept you they can't all be fans of yours think fair to say that most things have been said on this bit of the discussion can we take things now back to the original thrust - best soul sam play thanks
Tomangoes Posted February 13, 2019 Posted February 13, 2019 23 minutes ago, Hooker1951 said: I will go where I want when I want and there is nobody on this scene capable of stopping me ML A wind up surely? Ed 1
Davenpete Posted February 13, 2019 Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Spain pete said: but that's your opinion simples! don't go near the geezer and go to a oldies night only ALL of this is OPINION - YOUR'S TOO. Sam used to play Coffee 'Casanova' when it was in the charts - he told me himself and if that ain't a crap record I don't know what is... The music policy upstairs at Blackburn was as upfront and modern as it is possible to get thanks to Mick, so the snotty oldies comments are well out of order. I heard A LOT of wonderful god garage and soulful house there well before it was gaining mainstream acceptance on the scene. Dx PS Tomangoes - Hooker1951 is probably the only guy on the scene who can say that truthfully. Edited February 13, 2019 by DaveNPete 1
Tomangoes Posted February 13, 2019 Posted February 13, 2019 It's a simple enough topic. If you don't know a record played by Sam first or nearly first or that he got popular, and you think it's good, don't comment! Ed
Mike Posted February 13, 2019 Posted February 13, 2019 2 hours ago, mike said: think fair to say that most things have been said on this bit of the discussion can we take things now back to the original thrust - best soul sam play thanks temp closed will reopen later now reopened again ask lets get back to the original thrust
Woodbutcher Posted February 13, 2019 Posted February 13, 2019 Back on track , for a while at least ... The Poets on J2 and "Johnny on the Spot/I Didn't Have To" will do for me ...
Ted Massey Posted February 13, 2019 Posted February 13, 2019 16 minutes ago, WoodButcher said: Back on track , for a while at least ... The Poets on J2 and "Johnny on the Spot/I Didn't Have To" will do for me ... Sure that was Clarkie Poets
Woodbutcher Posted February 13, 2019 Posted February 13, 2019 Wasn't saying 'first' sir , just best ... 7 hours ago, tomangoes said: A wind up surely? Ed
Chalky Posted February 13, 2019 Posted February 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ted Massey said: Sure that was Clarkie Poets Butch 2
Theothertosspot Posted February 13, 2019 Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) First time I heard Lover by De-lites was when Sam spun it at Notts Palis in the 70’s, though not sure if he had first play. Seem to think he had first play of Toni Basil, Breakaway, covered as Lada Edmund, break these chains. Think both are great tracks But as always, I could be wrong. Edited February 13, 2019 by theothertosspot
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