Frank Wilson - Do I Love You

[Tomangoes]

I first heard it a Wigan at the same time I bought the UK demo copy on release.

I met Frank at the LA 04 gig and found him to be very polite.

Ive heard the record almost everywhere you can imagine such as tv ads, soccer matches, tk maxx, played it myself going down Rodeo Drive/windows open, played it to my work mates in Delhi 1995, weddings, birthday bashes, etc etc etc.

Mary Fox asked me and some others to name the most famous record in NS history and of course I chose this one.

As far as I am concerned it ticks all the boxes that can be ticked for making it option A in this poll.

Anybody not voting for option A is probably not a Northern Soul fan. Maybe they are Soul fans even Rare Soul fans, but not Northern Soul fans in the most accepted definition.

Ed

Edited January 14, 2009 by tomangoes

[Jumpinjoan]

Anybody not voting for option A is probably not a Northern Soul fan. Maybe they are Soul fans even Rare Soul fans, but not Northern Soul fans in the most accepted definition.

Please explain what a Northern Soul fan is please?

And then what a Soul fan and a Rare Soul fan is?

Thanks

[Guest nubes]

.Overplayed , yes. But if you were there at that first airing.... .......well youd never forget it. Never ever.

Deffo mate ...brill post .... ...Delxxxxx

[Paul R]

I was going to stay out of this, although I was one of the first to vote option A.

I believe it is a great record and so different in my opinion to a lot of those tedious formulaic motown sounds like the Temps "Forever In My Heart". lets face it, most of the mid to uptempo motown that slots into the "Northern" Bracket is just so samey(?). FW is not my favourite Northern Track, or even my Favourite Motown track(that is possibly Kim Weston "I'm Still Loving You"). Bit it mainly suffers from the Rare(Northern) soul snobs problem with mainstream popularity.

Of course this is all IMHO.

Paul

[Tabs]

In a nutshell.

Overplayed without a doubt but at the time this was quite simply outstanding.

I'll pose another question.

If this had only been played out in the last 6 months as a c/u by the likes of Butch or Sam would the detractors have the same opinion.

I doubt it, they would be creaming there jeans and every time they heard it.

Guess which way I voted.

It's a classic - an overplayed classic maybe - but a classic none the less.

Derek

[Guest Bearsy]

In a nutshell.

Overplayed without a doubt but at the time this was quite simply outstanding.

I'll pose another question.

If this had only been played out in the last 6 months as a c/u by the likes of Butch or Sam would the detractors have the same opinion.

I doubt it, they would be creaming there jeans and every time they heard it.

Guess which way I voted.

Tabs you cream your pants listening to Bon Jovi

it aint a cover up it aint great soul and it is now boring and should be left to those to only play it that own the original SOUL release which then entails onky 1 dj has it and if you avoid him you avoid DILY

good pop and as a first ever heard Northern tune its great but when you hear all them other fantastic tunes out there it really is only a good average poppy tune imho of course

[Tabs]

You missed the point I was making.

But I guess I should expect that from a Pikey

If this was being played as a new discovery now then its effect would be the same as it was 30 years ago.

It got you into the scene........... perhaps it has got it's bad points after all

See you at Rugby and when you buy me a pint we can debate further

Tabs you cream your pants listening to Bon Jovi

it aint a cover up it aint great soul and it is now boring and should be left to those to only play it that own the original SOUL release which then entails onky 1 dj has it and if you avoid him you avoid DILY

good pop and as a first ever heard Northern tune its great but when you hear all them other fantastic tunes out there it really is only a good average poppy tune imho of course

[Mike]

bit of a interesting poll that along with the comments

after 3 or 4 days in the sun

think times right to move it here as other wise it just keep jumping to top every time someones votes

[jocko]

If this had only been played out in the last 6 months as a c/u by the likes of Butch or Sam would the detractors have the same opinion.

I doubt it, they would be creaming there jeans and every time they heard it.

Actually Tabs thats actually the point I am making, I really don't think it does hold its own with most of the subsequent discoveries.

Compare it to Larry Clinton or Eddie Parker (IG) - it just doesn't exist in the same stratosphere, its peoples memories of the time that makes it the classic in their opinion, I feel, and that may be the same for the above two for me, but as a piece of dance music do you think it even comes close to above, or more recently the Parliaments or Mello Souls? I just cant hear it myself and thats the key for me, I really think people are protecting it as a remnant of their time, and I get that, rather than actually objectively listening to it now.

I really dont think it would raise much interest as a new discovery now (other than that there isn't that many new ones coming along! )

[Guest gordon russell]

Please explain what a Northern Soul fan is please?

And then what a Soul fan and a Rare Soul fan is?

Thanks

l'm a northern soul fan joan,to be one you have to say things like ...right on soul bro/sis....keep the faith or kfc...go to venues with a brightly coluored bowling shirt wiv the name of ya club on it....and the club you go to has to have great big banners saying northern soul. .

Rare soul is that stuff....well you know,that stuff that they play at all night discos with a boomperty,boomperty beat by singers we don't know

soul music.....now thats hard.....is it LUTHOR LOADADROSS,TEDDY SMOKESOMEGRASS,LIONEL BITCHIE...hope thats about right...oh sorry, IMHO

[Guest gordon russell]

But they must think its quite good ,or they would not be dancing to it .

PRIMARK ....makes millions of £'s profit now tell me theirs goods are high quality,well made,made to last ect ect .....it's a british desease ....everyone loves crap over quality always been the same

[harpo1]

A great record in its time, and i'm sure if it had been on a lesser label(in terms of commerciality) it would have remained a classic monster oldie.

Sadly it got hammered, but you then have to question why?? and i think as was the case with the likes of "Landslide" and "Out on the floor", but not nesceserrily(spellings shite and without my glasses can't see print in the dictionary sorry) "The snake", it was because they were so good, and instant.

Wish i had only heard it now and again since 1980'ish, and if that were the case i'm pretty sure it would stand big, loud 'n' proud.

Harpo

[Jem Britttin]

PRIMARK ....makes millions of £'s profit now tell me theirs goods are high quality,well made,made to last ect ect .....it's a british desease ....everyone loves crap over quality always been the same

Would'nt disagree with any of that. However as a record i personally like it despite some of its cringeworthy connections , just wish it was a twenty quid oldie that was played every so often,then it would'nt have got the media intrest it did and we would'nt all be discussing it in great depth on here...just there was'nt an option in the voting for "do you like the record but believe its reputation had been tarnished due to its over exposure an subsequent pantomime status on the Northern Soul scene" else i might have voted for that one

[Jumpinjoan]

In a nutshell.

Overplayed without a doubt but at the time this was quite simply outstanding.

I'll pose another question.

If this had only been played out in the last 6 months as a c/u by the likes of Butch or Sam would the detractors have the same opinion.

I doubt it, they would be creaming there jeans and every time they heard it.

Guess which way I voted.

You're having a laugh!

I don't need Butch et al to play a record for me to like it. I can make my own mind up thank you very much.

I hated Frank Wilson the very first time I heard it, almost 30 long years ago.

I thought it was pants then and I think it is pants now. Albeit a little bit tighter round the waist then they were back then.

If it had been left up to records like this - I would never have got into Northern Soul music.

Have I said I think it's pants?

[Guest SteveC]

Anybody not voting for option A is probably not a Northern Soul fan. Maybe they are Soul fans even Rare Soul fans, but not Northern Soul fans in the most accepted definition.

Ed

Is this a wind up mate!!! Incidentally I voted A but don't want to hear it out unless its Cleggers Sunday night party night or Stoke (when and if I go)!! Time and place.......and all that!!

[Guest SteveC]

I was going to stay out of this, although I was one of the first to vote option A.

I believe it is a great record and so different in my opinion to a lot of those tedious formulaic motown sounds like the Temps "Forever In My Heart". lets face it, most of the mid to uptempo motown that slots into the "Northern" Bracket is just so samey(?). FW is not my favourite Northern Track, or even my Favourite Motown track(that is possibly Kim Weston "I'm Still Loving You"). Bit it mainly suffers from the Rare(Northern) soul snobs problem with mainstream popularity.

Of course this is all IMHO.

Paul

Paul

If you'd been doing the niter circuit regularly since the Wigan days and heard it out as much as those who have then I'm sure your outlook would be different.

As for the "soul snobs" you mentioned, these are generally the folk who kept our scene alive in the 80's and who because of that have wanted or needed to seek out newer/fresher stuff which isn't shite or pants or same old......just not heard before which seems to turn them into the "soul snobs" you mentioned. Open up your ears and stop living in the past mate. There are more than 500 classy Northern soul records out there. They weren't all discovered in the 70's you know.

[Guest SteveC]

Actually Tabs thats actually the point I am making, I really don't think it does hold its own with most of the subsequent discoveries.

Compare it to Larry Clinton or Eddie Parker (IG) - it just doesn't exist in the same stratosphere, its peoples memories of the time that makes it the classic in their opinion, I feel, and that may be the same for the above two for me, but as a piece of dance music do you think it even comes close to above, or more recently the Parliaments or Mello Souls? I just cant hear it myself and thats the key for me, I really think people are protecting it as a remnant of their time, and I get that, rather than actually objectively listening to it now.

I really dont think it would raise much interest as a new discovery now (other than that there isn't that many new ones coming along! )

Spot on Jocko

[Modernsoulsucks]

Actually Tabs thats actually the point I am making, I really don't think it does hold its own with most of the subsequent discoveries.

Compare it to Larry Clinton or Eddie Parker (IG) - it just doesn't exist in the same stratosphere, its peoples memories of the time that makes it the classic in their opinion, I feel, and that may be the same for the above two for me, but as a piece of dance music do you think it even comes close to above, or more recently the Parliaments or Mello Souls? I just cant hear it myself and thats the key for me, I really think people are protecting it as a remnant of their time, and I get that, rather than actually objectively listening to it now.

I really dont think it would raise much interest as a new discovery now (other than that there isn't that many new ones coming along! )

How does it compare with the Sweet Things and Glories? I know a bit of a daft question but I don't really get these comparisons. The record is obviously of a standard with any decent Northern 45 that's been played before or since. We all have our favourites. And now "Forever in my heart" is boring and formulaic. Don't remember many saying that on it's first outing.

If Im following recent developments right,Frank is pants and Tennesse Ernie Ford is a decent R&B mover and more records like Joi Cardwell should be played.

Have I stumbled into some kinda weird alternate reality?

ROD

[Pete S]

Anyone not voting for option A shouldn't even be on this site as a) they obviously haven't got a clue what constitutes Northern Soul and they are f*cking deaf

that should wake you up a bit

Edited January 15, 2009 by Pete S

[Koolkat]

Anyone not voting for option A shouldn't even be on this site as a) they obviously haven't got a clue what constitutes Northern Soul and they are f*cking deaf

that should wake you up a bit

Never one to mince words are you.........and more to the point ...........you are spot on. You make me grin at the vdu.

Edited January 15, 2009 by Koolkat

[Guest gordon russell]

You're having a laugh!

I don't need Butch et al to play a record for me to like it. I can make my own mind up thank you very much.

I hated Frank Wilson the very first time I heard it, almost 30 long years ago.

I thought it was pants then and I think it is pants now. Albeit a little bit tighter round the waist then they were back then.

If it had been left up to records like this - I would never have got into Northern Soul music.

Have I said I think it's pants?

are you sure joan?.....you never liked johnny howard til butch played it...now you love it

[Guest gordon russell]

why do you think MOTOWN never released it?

[Pauldonnelly]

why do you think MOTOWN never released it?

probably the same reason wjy they didn't release The Originals- Baby Have Mercy On Me, coz its shyte.

[Guest WPaulVanDyk]

I like Frank Wilson but then again he did write Whole Lotta Shakin Goin on in my heart which is class

but i am never gonna worry if i don't hear the song out and to be honest i play it sometimes or if not i would expect should i turn the radio on and it's say a soul show DJ might play it

However please if i went to a venue like soul night and hear Frank Wilson more then once i won't be happy since no idiot or a DJ who is playing be it by himself or with others needs to play it anymore then once. some people will want to hear it fine but 2 or 3 or up to 6 times is rather silly and makes you look a fool. When there are hundreds and thousands of soul records we can play

I would also love to hear My Sugar Baby by Frank Wilson (lesser played and quality)

[Pete S]

probably the same reason wjy they didn't release The Originals- Baby Have Mercy On Me, coz its shyte.

Do you mean Suspicion? The greatest of all the Motown unissueds? You need locking up.

[Guest]

If Im following recent developments right,Frank is pants and Tennesse Ernie Ford is a decent R&B mover and more records like Joi Cardwell should be played.

Have I stumbled into some kinda weird alternate reality?

ROD

now there's a good perspective

...... but some continue to post comments that say it is the people who wont 'open their ears' that are killing the scene

[Pauldonnelly]

Do you mean Suspicion? The greatest of all the Motown unissueds? You need locking up.

I was being sarcatsic Pete toward Tezza who was suggesting that the reason why FW didn;t get released was because it was not good enough..

sorry I upset you

[Guest SteveC]

now there's a good perspective

...... but some continue to post comments that say it is the people who wont 'open their ears' that are killing the scene

Who are the some Mike?...............oh you meant me ...just say the name mate!! Sweeping, ridiculous statement and I thought you weren't part of the same old same old brigade

[Jumpinjoan]

Jeez, it's one bloody record. And one record does not make a soul scene.

Some think its pants. Ok, I think its pants. But so what?

It would seem that the consensus of opinion on here is that you can't be a true Northern Soul fan if you don't love this record?

Well who put you lot in charge of deciding what a true Northern Soul fan is?

Anyway, all this is detracting from the real shock of this thread. There are 10 people on here who think their opinion's don't count.

[Guest blockley]

Remember me old mate Harry Crosby draggin me down to the record bar at the casino to show me it in the hands of a dealer who was floggin it and had it in my hands for a brief period, good memories of that and Harry's face cos he wanted to buy it- was always a floor packer particlurly when it got pressed as eddie foz' so good memories of that at Casino - but feel it has been overplayed a lot to the detriment of not playing other stuff that was and is as good and better as it - note that its been included on the motown 50th cd ( again taking up vital space ) where other northern classics like the isleys (why when love, tell me its just a rumour - or 4 tops - cant seem to get you outta my mind - or stevie's - nothings too good for my baby could have been put)

[Paul R]

Paul

If you'd been doing the niter circuit regularly since the Wigan days and heard it out as much as those who have then I'm sure your outlook would be different.

As for the "soul snobs" you mentioned, these are generally the folk who kept our scene alive in the 80's and who because of that have wanted or needed to seek out newer/fresher stuff which isn't shite or pants or same old......just not heard before which seems to turn them into the "soul snobs" you mentioned. Open up your ears and stop living in the past mate. There are more than 500 classy Northern soul records out there. They weren't all discovered in the 70's you know.

Steve, I stopped regularly going to allnighters before FW was discovered, so I am not swept away with the dewey eyed nostalia of my first hearing of it filled with black bombers with my baggies & vest on.

The fact that I have not developed with the allnighter scene for the last 30 odd years does not take away the fact that FW is a good Northern soul record. The fact that someone paid a huge amount of his own money to purchase it, does not make it a bad northern soul record. The fact that it appeared in a fast food ad, the fact that it is on the latest happy birthday motown boxed set, the fact that it is used over "wife swap", the fact that it does appear on various radio and TV things and the fact that it is often trotted out on Documentaries about "Northern" soul does not make it a bad record.

In the 31 years since it first graced the turntables it has been played far more times that is good for it & most people are sick of hearing it, but it is still a good Northern soul record.

I also think that some comments made like "I really dont think it would raise much interest as a new discovery now " from Jocko, make me think that I'm glad I don't attend allnighters now.

Many of the detractors of FW and similar are soul snobs, but I suppose to a certain extent I am a "Northern Soul" snob. Much of what I hear that is played nowadays is IMHO Nice, but doesn't set my soul on fire. A lot of the "modern" I hear just reminds me of Andy peebles Soul Train on Piccadilly that was played as I was getting ready to go out on a friday, or as I was coming down on a Sunday i.e. what I was escaping to Wigan/Mecca from. I like my nostalgia, & I like good soul music. The music I tend to enjoy listening to or dancing to is the music that when you hear the first few bars for the first time it makes you sit up & listen & makes your feet move.

In the end it is each to his or her own. I still get excited when I am out somewhere & someone plays Darrow Fletcher. Or like at one of you dos I attended when you played You're a Puzzle & Fool To Fool. It was a few years ago, but I had not heard them for donkeys years. I think I will leave the current scene to yourself and stick with my listening to thousands of oldies(not 500) that I love from the last 40 years.

Sorry to go off topic a bit, but that SteveC can be a handfull

Oh & Steve... Keep The Faith, Right on now son

Paul

Edited January 17, 2009 by Paul r

[Guest gordon russell]

I was being sarcatsic Pete toward Tezza who was suggesting that the reason why FW didn;t get released was because it was not good enough..

sorry I upset you

you just didn't know the title

[Guest gordon russell]

Jeez, it's one bloody record. And one record does not make a soul scene.

Some think its pants. Ok, I think its pants. But so what?

It would seem that the consensus of opinion on here is that you can't be a true Northern Soul fan if you don't love this record?

Well who put you lot in charge of deciding what a true Northern Soul fan is?

Anyway, all this is detracting from the real shock of this thread. There are 10 people on here who think their opinion's don't count.

they don't

[Guest gordon russell]

by the way l bet not many of you know this is TONY PARKERS no 1 want and has been for years

[Jumpinjoan]

they don't

I'm a bit worried leaving you all on your own on here while we go to Burnley. Lord only knows what kind of trouble you will have got yourself into by the time we get back!

[Guest]

EDDIE FOSTERS VERSION IS VERY SIMILIAR.

[Guest Gogs]

Steve, I stopped regularly going to allnighters before FW was discovered, so I am not swept away with the dewey eyed nostalia of my first hearing of it filled with black bombers with my baggies & vest on.

The fact that I have not developed with the allnighter scene for the last 30 odd years does not take away the fact that FW is a good Northern soul record. The fact that someone paid a huge amount of his own money to purchase it, does not make it a bad northern soul record. The fact that it appeared in a fast food ad, the fact that it is on the latest happy birthday motown boxed set, the fact that it is used over "wife swap", the fact that it does appear on various radio and TV things and the fact that it is often trotted out on Documentaries about "Northern" soul does not make it a bad record.

In the 31 years since it first graced the turntables it has been played far more times that is good for it & most people are sick of hearing it, but it is still a good Northern soul record.

I also think that some comments made like "I really dont think it would raise much interest as a new discovery now " from Jocko, make me think that I'm glad I don't attend allnighters now.

Many of the detractors of FW and similar are soul snobs, but I suppose to a certain extent I am a "Northern Soul" snob. Much of what I hear that is played nowadays is IMHO Nice, but doesn't set my soul on fire. A lot of the "modern" I hear just reminds me of Andy peebles Soul Train on Piccadilly that was played as I was getting ready to go out on a friday, or as I was coming down on a Sunday i.e. what I was escaping to Wigan/Mecca from. I like my nostalgia, & I like good soul music. The music I tend to enjoy listening to or dancing to is the music that when you hear the first few bars for the first time it makes you sit up & listen & makes your feet move.

In the end it is each to his or her own. I still get excited when I am out somewhere & someone plays Darrow Fletcher. Or like at one of you dos I attended when you played You're a Puzzle & Fool To Fool. It was a few years ago, but I had not heard them for donkeys years. I think I will leave the current scene to yourself and stick with my listening to thousand of oldies(not 500) that I love from the last 40 years.

Sorry to go off topic a bit, but that SteveC can be a handfull

Oh & Steve... Keep The Faith, Right on now son

Paul

fantastic answer

and my feelings entirely

gogs

[Madmandy]

IMO good record - not great!!

Biggest problem with it these days is that it has become synonymous with the current "badge buying - white label double sider reissue - spencer soul bags & beer towels still look good brigade"

They generally frequent "oldies only - keep the dancefloor full at all costs venues" The night for them is a "total washout - the worse DJs ever - they will never attend the venue" again unless the obligatory Frank Wilson is played!

I attend Oldies venues should I hide now ????

I 'm not keen on this tune but that wasnt the poll question ..It said was it a classic tune and I would say yes

So when you've finished putting us all in boxes for being badge wearing white sock spencer soul bag / beer towel wearers

Remember there wouldn't be a Northern Soul Scene if it wasn't for tune like this.

Doesn't say we all have to like it.

Mand

[Madmandy]

Jeez, it's one bloody record. And one record does not make a soul scene.

Some think its pants. Ok, I think its pants. But so what?

It would seem that the consensus of opinion on here is that you can't be a true Northern Soul fan if you don't love this record?

Well who put you lot in charge of deciding what a true Northern Soul fan is?

Anyway, all this is detracting from the real shock of this thread. There are 10 people on here who think their opinion's don't count.

HERE HERE Joan

The voice of reason

As for the 10 ...LOL have to agree with you there too Joan

Mand

[Guest familytree]

I attend Oldies venues should I hide now ????

I 'm not keen on this tune but that wasnt the poll question ..It said was it a classic tune and I would say yes

So when you've finished putting us all in boxes for being badge wearing white sock spencer soul bag / beer towel wearers

Remember there wouldn't be a Northern Soul Scene if it wasn't for tune like this.

Doesn't say we all have to like it.

Mand

Well said, my feelings exactly... Is it a classic? of course it bloody is ! whether you like it or not, whether your sick of hearing it or not does not detract from the facts, the history behind it, the lengths certain people went to get it because they knew it was perfect for the n.s scene.

[Madmandy]

Well said, my feelings exactly... Is it a classic? of course it bloody is ! whether you like it or not, whether your sick of hearing it or not does not detract from the facts, the history behind it, the lengths certain people went to get it because they knew it was perfect for the n.s scene.

Thanks Familytree

They are classic records without which there wouldnt be the scene we have today

If it wasn't for classic oldies there'd be no modern

Mand

[Simsy]

'I prefer to sit on the fence, my opinions don't count'.

10 people went for this option so far.. Sit on the fence, okay but your opinions don't count?? Deary dear ..

[BrianB]

Steve, I stopped regularly going to allnighters before FW was discovered, so I am not swept away with the dewey eyed nostalia of my first hearing of it filled with black bombers with my baggies & vest on.

The fact that I have not developed with the allnighter scene for the last 30 odd years does not take away the fact that FW is a good Northern soul record. The fact that someone paid a huge amount of his own money to purchase it, does not make it a bad northern soul record. The fact that it appeared in a fast food ad, the fact that it is on the latest happy birthday motown boxed set, the fact that it is used over "wife swap", the fact that it does appear on various radio and TV things and the fact that it is often trotted out on Documentaries about "Northern" soul does not make it a bad record.

In the 31 years since it first graced the turntables it has been played far more times that is good for it & most people are sick of hearing it, but it is still a good Northern soul record.

I also think that some comments made like "I really dont think it would raise much interest as a new discovery now " from Jocko, make me think that I'm glad I don't attend allnighters now.

Many of the detractors of FW and similar are soul snobs, but I suppose to a certain extent I am a "Northern Soul" snob. Much of what I hear that is played nowadays is IMHO Nice, but doesn't set my soul on fire. A lot of the "modern" I hear just reminds me of Andy peebles Soul Train on Piccadilly that was played as I was getting ready to go out on a friday, or as I was coming down on a Sunday i.e. what I was escaping to Wigan/Mecca from. I like my nostalgia, & I like good soul music. The music I tend to enjoy listening to or dancing to is the music that when you hear the first few bars for the first time it makes you sit up & listen & makes your feet move.

In the end it is each to his or her own. I still get excited when I am out somewhere & someone plays Darrow Fletcher. Or like at one of you dos I attended when you played You're a Puzzle & Fool To Fool. It was a few years ago, but I had not heard them for donkeys years. I think I will leave the current scene to yourself and stick with my listening to thousands of oldies(not 500) that I love from the last 40 years.

Sorry to go off topic a bit, but that SteveC can be a handfull

Oh & Steve... Keep The Faith, Right on now son

Paul

Hi Paul,

As someone said, my thoughts and my situation exactly. What a really well thought out reply.

I do not go to all nighters, because I don't get that "what's this?" feeling too much at the "rare soul" nights, but to be honest, in my 39 years on the Northern scene, I can honestly say in response to Darcy Boys reply, I have never seen anyone go up to someone and say Right On, or Keep the Faith.

Maybe that was just the way it was coming from Burnley in the 70s?

Is DILY the best unissued motown ever? Probably not.

Is it a good Northern sound? Of course it is.

I don't like it personally, but the 1st time I heard it I thought "wow"! I put a thread up a couple of years ago about this and Mello Souls, and I still think that if the roles were reversed with these two records, that the rare soul fans would be slagging the Mello Souls and praising FW.

Just my opinion, not looking for any big debate.

[Douglas]

If ever a record was overated because of its rarity and price this is it,if this record had been found by John Anderson in its thousands on lets say Ric-Tic instead of an unreleased SOUL item,it would be largely forgotten now,the record does nothing for me whatsoever and wouldnt get nowhere near my own personal top 500.

[BVS]

No prizes for which way I voted! However, based on conversations with my contempories at soul venues, I do think many of those 21% who don't like it could be from the generation of soulies whose roots are in the 60s basement clubs and are therefore now aged in their late 50s and over.

The reason I say this is that the Frank Wilson track is seen by many as an anthem for 'Northern Soul' of the 70s and many of the older soulies don't have much of a connection with this era. In particular they don't recognise the term 'Northern Soul' as it was coined after their heyday and feel therefore that it is more associated with the stomping beats of the dance hall venues of the 70s, which brought with it those dubious baggy trousers, vest, patches and beer towels! My point therefore is that in my opinion, many of those who, like me, think that it's overated and overplayed, do so as much because of what it represents than it's musical merits.

HEALTH WARNING - If this posting reads like a dig at the 70s soul era, it is certainly not intended to be, no-one can help when they are born or the fashions of their generation (you should have seen me in a Kaftan with flowers in my hair - not much chance these days !) In fact, if it wasn't for the 70s scene and it's prominent DJs in particular, I'm sure I wouldn't be enjoying all the sounds that they unearthed during the 70s, even though they had, in the main, been first recorded in the 60s. So good on you 70s soulies, I will be forever in your debt.

[Guest Goldwax]

No prizes for which way I voted! However, based on conversations with my contempories at soul venues, I do think many of those 21% who don't like it could be from the generation of soulies whose roots are in the 60s basement clubs and are therefore now aged in their late 50s and over.

The reason I say this is that the Frank Wilson track is seen by many as an anthem for 'Northern Soul' of the 70s and many of the older soulies don't have much of a connection with this era. In particular they don't recognise the term 'Northern Soul' as it was coined after their heyday and feel therefore that it is more associated with the stomping beats of the dance hall venues of the 70s, which brought with it those dubious baggy trousers, vest, patches and beer towels! My point therefore is that in my opinion, many of those who, like me, think that it's overated and overplayed, do so as much because of what it represents than it's musical merits.

HEALTH WARNING - If this posting reads like a dig at the 70s soul era, it is certainly not intended to be, no-one can help when they are born or the fashions of their generation (you should have seen me in a Kaftan with flowers in my hair - not much chance these days !) In fact, if it wasn't for the 70s scene and it's prominent DJs in particular, I'm sure I wouldn't be enjoying all the sounds that they unearthed during the 70s, even though they had, in the main, been first recorded in the 60s. So good on you 70s soulies, I will be forever in your debt.

A very fair post Big Brett and may I add that I find many of my own generation of relative whippersnappers (who came through in the 80's, many through the Mod door) also have little time for the FW classic which again may reflect it's standing as a classic of the 'Northern' heyday and little to do with what was happening in our little world (especially darn sarf).

I also second your disclaimer and will always take my hat off to the 70's crowd for laying that extra foundation onto the contribution you really old sods made in your swinging era of kaftans.

[grantdyche]

This record is only in this thread because of it's rarity,I totally agree,

This record would be in other threads because it is a good record,

This record could be classed a complete and utter classic sound because it is a good record,

This record is disliked by many people because many DJ's have overplayed it,Because it has been requested,because it's a good record,

No point in slagging of the tune,it would'nt get played if people did'nt want it to,

The point Iam trying to make is It's YOU AND ME who made it popular,And many people new to "Northern Soul"Hear it and it grabs them by the short and curlies,And so they request it,again and again and again,

Yes I agree with many of the other comment's it's a victim of it's own success,

But we (mostly) made it that'

And just to put the record straight Yes Iam fed up of hearing it

KTF

Grant

[Chris L]

The following poll should sort it out once & for all

Highly unlikely !!