Al Williams- Try Them Unissued Killer

[Mike]

Thanks to Grapevine have got a decent clip of this unissued track from Labeat master tape!

Heard Keith Money playing last week it at the most excellent just gone Dublin event and have to say it pricked up me ears, and after playing this clip a few more times, it certainly does take on the form of a "gets even better with each hear" killer track

Believe 4 djs playing this track out and about, Keith Money , Ady C and... two more (ack the other two names have gone spongy at moment will add once 100% sure right)

Seems its due to be released in future along with other unissued tracks on a forthcoming Labeat CD, so keep a eye on the Grapevine website and of course on here for info on that release

https://www.grapevine-soul.com

clip is up in the "rare, indemand, talked about" section of the soul source sound sbit

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https://www.soul-source.co.uk/index.p...cmd=si&img=5367

[Bigsoulman]

Thanks to Grapevine have got a decent clip of this unissued track from Labeat master tape!

Heard Keith Money playing last week it at the most excellent just gone Dublin event and have to say it pricked up me ears, and after playing this clip a few more times, it certainly does take on the form of a "gets even better with each hear" killer track 

Believe 4 djs playing this track out and about, Keith Money , Ady C and... two more (ack the other two names have gone spongy at moment will add once 100% sure right)

Seems  its due to be released in future along with other unissued tracks on a forthcoming Labeat CD, so keep a eye on the Grapevine website and of course on here for info on that release

https://www.grapevine-soul.com

clip is up in the "rare, indemand, talked about" section of the soul source sound sbit

here

https://www.soul-source.co.uk/index.p...cmd=si&img=5367

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Mike...just how good is this?, who says that the days of finding stuff like this are long gone?..magical!!

[Ady Croasdell]

And big thanks to Dave Welding who organised getting the tapes restored from the unusable by Ace's Sound Mastering studios. Dave quite rightly has a cut too.

[Mike]

And big thanks to Dave Welding who organised getting the tapes restored from the unusable by Ace's Sound Mastering studios. Dave quite rightly has a cut too.

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Thanks for all extra info Ady both here and in the gallery post

and should mention thanks to Louise as well

[Marc Forrest]

Awesome tune, perfect.

[Pete S]

Sounds like a throwaway B side and he's a bad vocalist.

Must just be me then eh?

[Guest]

It has qualities but it certainly is not "awesome", nor is it a "killer" IMO. It is OK, not that much more, and those girlie vocals almost spoil it. It's not exactly on par with "I Am Nothing", now is it?

[Pete S]

It has qualities but it certainly is not "awesome", nor is it a "killer" IMO. It is OK, not that much more, and those girlie vocals almost spoil it. It's not exactly on par with "I Am Nothing", now is it?

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I Am Nothing is a fantastic record but if you listen to it 'critically' you'll hear that the guy is about on a par with Danny Somebody New Moore when it comes to vocals

[Guest Johnny One Trout]

Sounds like a throwaway B side and he's a bad vocalist.

Must just be me then eh?

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Pete you really have no SOUL

[Guest Johnny One Trout]

It has qualities but it certainly is not "awesome", nor is it a "killer" IMO. It is OK, not that much more, and those girlie vocals almost spoil it. It's not exactly on par with "I Am Nothing", now is it?

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Totally different kettle of fish Christian, Bob Hinsley played it the other night and it had me going up to the decks to check it out

[Guest]

Wow, I don't see why anybody would be critical of this. This and "I am Nothing" make the hairs on my neck stand up. I'll be first in line when this gets a 45 release(but I won't DJ it out, wouldn't be proper)

[Bigsoulman]

Wow, I don't see why anybody would be critical of this. This and "I am Nothing" make the hairs on my neck stand up. I'll be first in line when this gets a 45 release(but I won't DJ it out, wouldn't be proper)    

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And why is that?, would you not want your punters to enjoy and perhaps the only chance to dance to unless the dj's with the original acetates were on?, daft really depriving punters of a chance to dance to this great discovery, i'm sure the owner of the original would'nt mind, i'll be playing it anyway.

[Guest]

And why is that?, would you not want your punters to enjoy and perhaps the only chance to dance to unless the dj's with the original acetates were on?, daft really depriving punters of a chance to dance to this great discovery, i'm sure the owner of the original would'nt mind, i'll be playing it anyway.

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i agree most punters go to hear the music and dance (and social side) but many don't care what label djs play.

[Mike]

i agree    most punters go to hear the music and dance (and social side) but many don't care what label djs play.

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sorry

but this front page news bit is all about news/articles/etc and as such try to keep comments related to subject

if wish to discuss other topics please feel free to start up a new topic in another forum

thanks

mike

[Guest Baz]

great tune can we have news of relese for this when its gets going

[Guest]

I Am Nothing is a fantastic record but if you listen to it 'critically' you'll hear that the guy is about on a par with Danny Somebody New Moore when it comes to vocals

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I totally agree, he sings with soul (i.e. he conveys emotion through his voice) but it is pretty obvious that he is a technically 'limited' vocalist, to put it nicely. "I Am Nothing" is a magic sound and is all about atmosphere IMO. I was told the flip was good but I was very disappointed when I heard it, it was not much to write home about I think.

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[Guest]

Totally different kettle of fish Christian, Bob Hinsley played it the other night and it had me going up to the decks to check it out 

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Yes, exactly, "I Am Nothing" is really good whilst this unissued tune is pretty OK, it's nice, but it doesn't really stand a comparison with "I Am Nothing". It's better than some other things though and since you are not supposed to judge new discoveries by the criteria used for established tunes (apparently), I guess it's pretty good.

[Guest Dan]

Yes, exactly, "I Am Nothing" is really good whilst this unissued tune is pretty OK, it's nice, but it doesn't really stand a comparison with "I Am Nothing". It's better than some other things though and since you are not supposed to judge new discoveries by the criteria used for established tunes (apparently), I guess it's pretty good.

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i'd judge them by whatever criteria you want...who has the right to tell you otherwise?

i agree that 'i am nothing' is a superior song but maybe it suffers from having been heard for so many years

i agree also that he sounds a bit limited on this but to be fair if it's pure technical proficiency we're after we might as well listen to pavarotti

there's something about this track which really gets me: it's like terminator soul...once that beat starts up it absolutely will not stop

[Pete S]

i'd judge them by whatever criteria you want...who has the right to tell you otherwise?

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Johnny One Trout does

[Guest Dan]

Johnny One Trout does 

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i think you'll find ady c has had a word with you

you ought to get back in your box

[Pete S]

i think you'll find ady c has had a word with you

you ought to get back in your box

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Please explain

[Guest alison]

Having heard this played out for the first time at the weekend - have to say it sounded top notch. A thumbs up from me

PS. Pete - when you think of a fish, do you just think of a mouth that opens and closes with nowt but bubbles coming out of it Reckon I'm in for a playful punch when JoT reads this

[Guest hammy]

Re - acetates and tape etc

As for tracks like Al Williams - it's not really 'cricket' for DJs to suggest they should decide if they can play them or not. Soul etiquette (stop laughing at the back) would suggest that the person who finds the tape source should have first say on who gets copies and plays them out. If they decide to release it / license it etc then obviously that's a different matter. It's a decent track but will soon become played out if every man and his dog start playing it.

I know the above probably sounds a bit eccentric and edge warped but this is the northern scene - and it's meant to be that way.

This 'oh but the punters should decide' is the biggest red herring around. That line is normally spun by DJs - not punters - in any case.

Yours

A very old fashioned Hammy

[Chalky]

And why is that?, would you not want your punters to enjoy and perhaps the only chance to dance to unless the dj's with the original acetates were on?, daft really depriving punters of a chance to dance to this great discovery, i'm sure the owner of the original would'nt mind, i'll be playing it anyway.

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No Dj has got an original acetate, they are all cuts/emi-discs done from the re-mastered tapes are they not! So in reality no different to getting a cut done from the cd when it's out

[Guest Johnny One Trout]

Johnny One Trout does 

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too right

[Ady Croasdell]

No Dj has got an original acetate, they are all cuts/emi-discs done from the re-mastered tapes are they not! So in reality no different to getting a cut done from the cd when it's out

I'm sure most CD reissue companies would agree with that. Especially as there were no original acetates. There might be a proviso or two if there were an original acetate but that's a whole new subject.

[Rbman]

No Dj has got an original acetate, they are all cuts/emi-discs done from the re-mastered tapes are they not!  So in reality no different to getting a cut done from the cd when it's out 

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...or playing off the CD.

[Garethx]

Is Al Williams of La Beat fame the same vocalist who recorded "The Other Side Of Your Love" on Crajon with Denise LaSalle / Gene Miller in the early 1970s? The vocal on that record is superb.

On this subject I must say the above track sounded very good at the 100 Club the other week.

[Guest]

As for my comment, It was purely sarcastic. I was only mocking the tight asses who wish to impose their will on us all. But let's nt start another thread on the topic...PLEASE DON'T!

I would(and will!) spin this when the chance comes.

Edited May 5, 2005 by recordwanted

[Cheltsoulnights]

Is Al Williams of La Beat fame the same vocalist who recorded "The Other Side Of Your Love" on Crajon with Denise LaSalle / Gene Miller in the early 1970s? The vocal on that record is superb.

On this subject I must say the above track sounded very good at the 100 Club the other week.

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No one seems to have mentioned the superior other side of I am nothing

it really sounds great nowadays

[Steve Plumb]

Pete you really have no SOUL

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Just found this thread................

Just wanted you all to know that Al will be getting a spin at the Orwell All Dayer tomorrow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cheers

Steve Plumb