Don't You Just Hate It When That Happens

[Rick Scott]

A few years ago while DJing in the Modern Room at a Rugby Club near Doncaster i was cueing up a record and turned round to clock one of the resident DJ's knelt on the floor going through my 12" record box, pen and note book in his hand happily writing down all my lattest big titles etc, i asked him what he thought he was doing and he said, you play some awsome tunes and i'm off to see what i can find, i explained i had to find these tracks by trawling the nett etc trying to find tunes that people had missed, so go and find your own, he went on to explain, i never buy my records as new releases, i see what other preople play and buy them out of the bargain racks cheap,For once i was speechless,if he had been a punter i could have undersood it to a certain point, but from a DJ i'm sorry but i find that unacceptable, as stated on this forum befor, people follow DJ's as they like what they play and it reflects their personality in the music they play but a DJ that can not be arsed to look for his own music and just relies on what other people play should not be DJing in the first place i m h o.... What do you think ?

[Modernsoulsucks]

Whilst agreeing that the guy you mention was out of order, I don't really think you've thought that through.

If you restricted the 45s you could play to those you discovered yourself I doubt there'd even be a scene. Isn't it only since tail-end of Wigan that 45s got that bit harder to find and some dj's began to get exclusives. If you look back to beginning all the jocks played basically the same records albeit for a much shorter time than nowadays. Levine IMO was probably the first to have a very quick turnaround to stay ahead of the pack.

If John Anderson had decided to become a dj.......!!!!????

ROD

[KevH]

A few years ago while DJing in the Modern Room at a Rugby Club near Doncaster i was cueing up a record and turned round to clock one of the resident DJ's knelt on the floor going through my 12" record box, pen and note book in his hand happily writing down all my lattest big titles etc, i asked him what he thought he was doing and he said, you play some awsome tunes and i'm off to see what i can find, i explained i had to find these tracks by trawling the nett etc trying to find tunes that people had missed, so go and find your own, he went on to explain, i never buy my records as new releases, i see what other preople play and buy them out of the bargain racks cheap,For once i was speechless,if he had been a punter i could have undersood it to a certain point, but from a DJ i'm sorry but i find that unacceptable, as stated on this forum befor, people follow DJ's as they like what they play and it reflects their personality in the music they play but a DJ that can not be arsed to look for his own music and just relies on what other people play should not be DJing in the first place i m h o.... What do you think ?

Not on is it.But if he was waiting for the your latest big titles to be in the bargain rack,might he be having a long wait?.

Slam the lid down on the next cheeky f*cker.

btw ,has it happened again recently,with you bringing it up after a few years?

[Guest Matt Male]

Whilst agreeing that the guy you mention was out of order, I don't really think you've thought that through.

If you restricted the 45s you could play to those you discovered yourself I doubt there'd even be a scene. Isn't it only since tail-end of Wigan that 45s got that bit harder to find and some dj's began to get exclusives. If you look back to beginning all the jocks played basically the same records albeit for a much shorter time than nowadays. Levine IMO was probably the first to have a very quick turnaround to stay ahead of the pack.

If John Anderson had decided to become a dj.......!!!!????

ROD

I'm not sure Rick is saying DJs should only play their own discoveries Rod. I think he's saying rather than create a collection or playbox to suit their own taste or style some DJs just copy whatever everyone else is playing, or the current big tunes and i agree with him on this. So this guy went through his box, copied them down and went off to reproduce Rick's set. If someone was on their hands and knees next to me going through my playbox he'd get my foot up his arse

I think any playbox should be a reflection of a DJ's taste, to be honest i don't see how it couldn't be, unless people DJ with records they don't like (which is weird but i think does happen). Out of the millions of records available everyone should be able to come up with an original playbox with only a few similarities to others. Unfortunately we all know this is far from the reality

[Guest kid mohair]

A few years ago while DJing in the Modern Room at a Rugby Club near Doncaster i was cueing up a record and turned round to clock one of the resident DJ's knelt on the floor going through my 12" record box, pen and note book in his hand happily writing down all my lattest big titles etc, i asked him what he thought he was doing and he said, you play some awsome tunes and i'm off to see what i can find, i explained i had to find these tracks by trawling the nett etc trying to find tunes that people had missed, so go and find your own, he went on to explain, i never buy my records as new releases, i see what other preople play and buy them out of the bargain racks cheap,For once i was speechless,if he had been a punter i could have undersood it to a certain point, but from a DJ i'm sorry but i find that unacceptable, as stated on this forum befor, people follow DJ's as they like what they play and it reflects their personality in the music they play but a DJ that can not be arsed to look for his own music and just relies on what other people play should not be DJing in the first place i m h o.... What do you think ?

Edited December 13, 2008 by kid mohair

[Guest kid mohair]

A few years ago while DJing in the Modern Room at a Rugby Club near Doncaster i was cueing up a record and turned round to clock one of the resident DJ's knelt on the floor going through my 12" record box, pen and note book in his hand happily writing down all my lattest big titles etc, i asked him what he thought he was doing and he said, you play some awsome tunes and i'm off to see what i can find, i explained i had to find these tracks by trawling the nett etc trying to find tunes that people had missed, so go and find your own, he went on to explain, i never buy my records as new releases, i see what other preople play and buy them out of the bargain racks cheap,For once i was speechless,if he had been a punter i could have undersood it to a certain point, but from a DJ i'm sorry but i find that unacceptable, as stated on this forum befor, people follow DJ's as they like what they play and it reflects their personality in the music they play but a DJ that can not be arsed to look for his own music and just relies on what other people play should not be DJing in the first place i m h o.... What do you think ?

No excuse for that behavior should of politely told him to fook off....

[vaultofsouler]

A few years ago while DJing in the Modern Room at a Rugby Club near Doncaster i was cueing up a record and turned round to clock one of the resident DJ's knelt on the floor going through my 12" record box, pen and note book in his hand happily writing down all my lattest big titles etc, i asked him what he thought he was doing and he said, you play some awsome tunes and i'm off to see what i can find, i explained i had to find these tracks by trawling the nett etc trying to find tunes that people had missed, so go and find your own, he went on to explain, i never buy my records as new releases, i see what other preople play and buy them out of the bargain racks cheap,For once i was speechless,if he had been a punter i could have undersood it to a certain point, but from a DJ i'm sorry but i find that unacceptable, as stated on this forum befor, people follow DJ's as they like what they play and it reflects their personality in the music they play but a DJ that can not be arsed to look for his own music and just relies on what other people play should not be DJing in the first place i m h o.... What do you think ?

Doubt it would have been one the residents because that would have been Castle Park your on about.... and the residents were Terry and John who are now at Earl of Doncaster where they moved.... not their style.... may ask after a trune but not go through a box....

Terry buys his own odd bits of Modern stuff that he has an ear for whilst John is mainly a 60s/70s/oldies man.... reckon it would have been a guest, although perhaps a regular one.... know most of them that have guested in the then Modern room and I'm struggling to think who it may have been....

Interesting.... and intrigued....

[Cunnie]

Doubt it would have been one the residents because that would have been Castle Park your on about.... and the residents were Terry and John who are now at Earl of Doncaster where they moved.... not their style.... may ask after a trune but not go through a box....

Terry buys his own odd bits of Modern stuff that he has an ear for whilst John is mainly a 60s/70s/oldies man.... reckon it would have been a guest, although perhaps a regular one.... know most of them that have guested in the then Modern room and I'm struggling to think who it may have been....

Interesting.... and intrigued....

Wondering the same myself Mark.

Guested several times for Terry & John in't Modern room. Certainly wasn't me as Id have just asked Rick (think I did a few times anyway).

Wouldn't dream of doing ow't like that & if anyone decided to just start flicking through my records without asking I think I'd just politely slam't lid to on the shop fronts fingers

[Guest Bearsy]

I'm not sure Rick is saying DJs should only play their own discoveries Rod. I think he's saying rather than create a collection or playbox to suit their own taste or style some DJs just copy whatever everyone else is playing, or the current big tunes and i agree with him on this. So this guy went through his box, copied them down and went off to reproduce Rick's set. If someone was on their hands and knees next to me going through my playbox he'd get my foot up his arse

I think any playbox should be a reflection of a DJ's taste, to be honest i don't see how it couldn't be, unless people DJ with records they don't like (which is weird but i think does happen). Out of the millions of records available everyone should be able to come up with an original playbox with only a few similarities to others. Unfortunately we all know this is far from the reality

only a year or so ago i was talking to a dj friend of mine and asked what the colour coded areas in his play box was and he replied, them are my current plays, them are tunes i stopped playing lately and that lot are tunes i dont like but play them if i need to fill the dance floor bloody true and i told him he must be having a laugh but he wasnt

I dont mind people looking through my box but if they started to write them down cos i knew they wanted to get copies of thier own i dont know what i would do after telling them to fook off

[pikeys dog]

"Please do not touch my records as a kick in the bollox often offends"

[Guest gordon russell]

only a year or so ago i was talking to a dj friend of mine and asked what the colour coded areas in his play box was and he replied, them are my current plays, them are tunes i stopped playing lately and that lot are tunes i dont like but play them if i need to fill the dance floor bloody true and i told him he must be having a laugh but he wasnt

I dont mind people looking through my box but if they started to write them down cos i knew they wanted to get copies of thier own i dont know what i would do after telling them to fook off

why does he have tunes in his box that he don't like?........strange world of soul ...what is that saying about record collecting?

[Modernsoulsucks]

"I dont mind people looking through my box but if they started to write them down cos i knew they wanted to get copies of thier own i dont know what i would do after telling them to fook off" [bearsy quote]

Well as long as they asked and 45s were uncovered I can't see what the problem is. I thought it was all about spreading the joy of soul music and sharing and caring and fluffy kittens tied up with string and put in an oven at Gas Mark 7.

I've had plenty looking through on the odd occasion I've manned the decks. Writing down the details so they don't make the mistake of buying that particular piece of c**p.

I take Matt's point about a playlist reflecting a dj's taste which is why Im always suspicious of some of the ATB mob who appear to like all genres of soul music from old R&B through to current R&B as long as it's already played or talked about.

ROD

Edited December 13, 2008 by modernsoulsucks

[Davetay]

Whilst agreeing that the guy you mention was out of order, I don't really think you've thought that through.

If you restricted the 45s you could play to those you discovered yourself I doubt there'd even be a scene. Isn't it only since tail-end of Wigan that 45s got that bit harder to find and some dj's began to get exclusives. If you look back to beginning all the jocks played basically the same records albeit for a much shorter time than nowadays. Levine IMO was probably the first to have a very quick turnaround to stay ahead of the pack.

If John Anderson had decided to become a dj.......!!!!????

ROD

YA ROD, WHAT IF ??? Turn around quicker than Levine! and R S,s playlist would have not been as good! as it was.

[Rick Scott]

A few interesting points of view to this thread and yes it was the Castle Park i was on about and was not going to name it but it came up so.........

John and Terry are sound guys so no blame there, and as it was in the Modern room and one of the young DJ'S who was on at all the times i was there so i assumed he was a regular DJ as apossed to a guest as i was and yes it has happened recently where the pcture cover of a 12" single was taken from my box to save writing down the info which pissed me off (left it stuck up while the record was being played), 12" no longer available so no cover which is always nice from a collecting and selling point.On another point i was trying to put over and again has been answered on here a DJ'S taste in music is reflected in what he or she plays, I only buy and play what i like as a record not because it fills a floor, that is NOT me, i must be one of the only people in the country who has not bought or played the Neo track Smile, i think it is pants and does nothing for me but others do and that is fine, you see, records fit the DJ 's personality and so it should......

[Modernsoulsucks]

you see, records fit the DJ 's personality and so it should......

Do you know how hard it is to find miserable ,cynical Northern 45s?

ROD

[Rick Scott]

you see, records fit the DJ 's personality and so it should......

Do you know how hard it is to find miserable ,cynical Northern 45s?

ROD

No coz i don't buy them anymore

[Guest Matt Male]

you see, records fit the DJ 's personality and so it should......

Do you know how hard it is to find miserable ,cynical Northern 45s?

ROD

That's a whole other thread...

Most of mine seem to be women singing about what bastards their men are

[Modernsoulsucks]

That's a whole other thread...

Most of mine seem to be women singing about what bastards their men are

Really? I have a wife who does that without me having to buy them.

ROD

[Baz Atkinson]

Aonther reason I dont get out much these days ,the music [i agree with Rod]should be shared,and i firmly believe that you can count on one hand genuine people that are ahead of the game in respect of uncovering unheard of stuff [butch.Andy Dyson]spring to mind.There put the hard yards in imho,the rest in all honesty may feel that there are playing potential unknown stuff etc,but no,alot has gone before and the notion that DJS have exclusivity is ludicrous [lets not forget its the artistes that count not the overinflated egos of djs].

BAZ A

[Chalky]

People have and always will chase other DJ's records. The same scenario happens today only people trawl the play lists on sites like Soul Source to source records rather than go out and look themselves, one reason quite a few have stopped or refuse to post play lists.

[Russ Vickers]

I know a DJ locally who covers 45's, that are not massively rare, but reasonably unknown,they have put a lot of effort in to finding them, one particular person is constantly behind the decks checking out the discs & lo & behold next thing you know, its 'thier' choon...........this practice locally is done entirely to thwart that particular person...............we all want to share, but when you put a huge amount of time into finding records that are a little different to the usual in an attempt to make your sets stand out its really poo when this happens............especially when they will not credit the person who did all the leg work & even play the record out at a night before they can even if on the same bill...........I agree with what happens to stop em getting hold of em too soon, altho I share all my info with close friends if they do the same.

Russ

[Kev Moore]

If the said cheeky bugger hadn't even asked to look in your box I'd class that as trespassing. Cheeky sod.-no manners at all! Some people even ask record dealers if it's ok to look in their sales box at nighters. It's just plain respectful.

When I think of some tunes I've had go missing when people went through my box years ago.

Sandi Sheldon

Freddie Chavez (issue)

To name but two.

Hands off I say.

Kev

[Guest Leigh J]

Trawling playlists on here to find 'exclusives' doesnt add up ?

A lot of playlists on here have the same stuff on them anyway , I reckon a fare few think there records are a lot more 'unknown' than they actualy are.

If it is worth covering up then do that ? what about swapping tapes and cd's thats how I found a lot of stuff through the 80's and 90's .

Pete Lawson & Gilly found loads of great records but passed them on to proper DJs to get them played .

Guy & Keb when covering up a record always gave you a clue in the C/U title that was what made the Sunday after Stafford , guessing who it could actually be, I got it wrong most of the time and ended up with some crap records.

So how do you not let on what you are playing by not publishing your playist when what you are playing are known records anyway ?

[Dave Moore]

There are two issues here and it's leading to confusing posts.

1. Someone looking in a DJs box without permission? Simple..and I quote: " Please replace the record currently in your hands, back where it belongs. Thank You. Now take your hands out of my box and slowly bend over. Thank you. Now finally, please don't scream to loudly as my size 11, full leather soled, (with segs), brogue, penetrates your descending colon as it rushes past your rectum after I ram it up yer arse!"

2. DJ 'exclusives'? I'd ask what it was, always have. I can't ever remember being told by any 'DJs' I know, in response: "It's mine, I found it, so don't go and find one yourself as that would be 'cheating' in some way". Eh? 90% of my collection was first discovered by someone other than me. Christ! I've just realised what a wank collector I am! All them years wasted!! I'm gutted! And a MERRY CHRISTMAS to you too

[Russ Vickers]

With the particular issue Im speaking of, some of the records would be available with a little effort & no one is suggesting that these are potentially huge Nighter sounds or future classics, they're just good solid soul dance records, I spose they're 'secret sounds' to stop said person just being lazy, it does piss you off when it happens all the time I would imagine, by the same person too...............I know that the person who has an ocasional secret sound has actually been quite open with others with regard to artists etc, its just the one leach..............

Russ

[Guest Leigh J]

But all big or not so big records start off being played by a DJ or put on a tape or CD then gain exposure then become big records .

[Russ Vickers]

But all big or not so big records start off being played by a DJ or put on a tape or CD then gain exposure then become big records .

.

Russ

[Guest Leigh J]

With the particular issue Im speaking of, some of the records would be available with a little effort & no one is suggesting that these are potentially huge Nighter sounds or future classics, they're just good solid soul dance records, I spose they're 'secret sounds' to stop said person just being lazy, it does piss you off when it happens all the time I would imagine, by the same person too...............I know that the person who has an ocasional secret sound has actually been quite open with others with regard to artists etc, its just the one leach..............

Russ

I can understand people being pissed off by others playing 'Their tunes' , but how when there are so many venues and 'Djs' ,can one be sure that you have discovered that tune ? unless of course its a one off or master tape .

Its been happening since year dot , the guy who discovers it doesnt get the credit ,

I collected unknowns for 15 years and had a few things before they went big as did loads of other collectors .

Im not trying to be argumentitive i find this subject fascinating its great to hear others views on it .

Edited December 14, 2008 by Leigh J

[Russ Vickers]

God... ..........this is like pulling teeth, in the instance Im speaking of, I have gone to great lengths already to explain, that no one is making any great claims about rareity or whether the records are gonna go big, they probably wont, also I have already mentioned that some of these records wouldnt be impossible to find at a reasonable price either with a bit of effort & I would be extremely suprised if they were totally unknown, altho' your average Joe probably wouldnt be aware of them................the only reason some of the records are being covered is to stop a certain person from jumping on the band wagon locally. I think I have put that quite clearly now.

Russ

Edited December 14, 2008 by Russ Vickers

[Guest Leigh J]

God..........this is like pulling teeth, in the instance Im speaking of, I have gone to great lengths already to explain, that no one is making any great claims about rareity or whether the records are gonna go big, they probably wont, also I have already mentioned that some of these records wouldnt be impossible to find at a reasonable price either with a bit of effort................the only reason some of the records are being covered is to stop a certain person from jumping on the band wagon locally. I think I have put that quite clearly now.

Russ

Fair enough , end of conversation ......

[Russ Vickers]

Sorry just read my reply & sounds a little terse........have the killer man flu bug, so excuse me for being a little short !!!!. I do appreciate your point mate, its just that the person doing the covering is very unassuming & would be very embarrassed about it, I have now made it into more than what it is.

Russ

Edited December 14, 2008 by Russ Vickers

[Guest Nik Mak]

God... ..........this is like pulling teeth, in the instance Im speaking of, I have gone to great lengths already to explain, that no one is making any great claims about rareity or whether the records are gonna go big, they probably wont, also I have already mentioned that some of these records wouldnt be impossible to find at a reasonable price either with a bit of effort & I would be extremely suprised if they were totally unknown, altho' your average Joe probably wouldnt be aware of them................the only reason some of the records are being covered is to stop a certain person from jumping on the band wagon locally. I think I have put that quite clearly now.

Russ

The way he sidles up to the dex then sneeks a peek over his shoulder, you can see his eyes going round & round to get the Artist & title! LOL! Quite a hard technique to master I would imagine!

[Guest mickeyb]

The way he sidles up to the dex then sneeks a peek over his shoulder, you can see his eyes going round & round to get the Artist & title! LOL! Quite a hard technique to master I would imagine!

Snooky was a complete master at that, but it can't be him cos he's in Spain. Go on Russ and Nik - spill the beans!

[Guest Nik Mak]

Snooky was a complete master at that, but it can't be him cos he's in Spain. Go on Russ and Nik - spill the beans!

LOL! If we do that then the hours of fun we get out of watching him trying to blend in as he edges his way over to the dex would be ruined. Not to mention the hours it takes to cut out the labels from really shite records so he spends the next 6 months hunting down crap! NO this is too good to give away so soon.

[Guest familytree]

God... ..........this is like pulling teeth

Russ

Howling at that post!... could you just clarify what you mean by it?

[Russ Vickers]

Howling at that post!... could you just clarify what you mean by it?

Sorry, I was being a bit mean really, due to my killer death flu............I just felt that I was really struggling to get my point understood.......I am sorry that I was a bit inpatient.

Russ

[Russ Vickers]

LOL! If we do that then the hours of fun we get out of watching him trying to blend in as he edges his way over to the dex would be ruined. Not to mention the hours it takes to cut out the labels from really shite records so he spends the next 6 months hunting down crap! NO this is too good to give away so soon.

Happy Xmas Nik..............PM with any plans for the New Year mate, have a good un buddy .

Russ

[CAMBRIDGE SOUL]

Give free cd at all my do's and the sounds on them all come from Max Rees, myself and a few thrown in from regular local dj's, they are all from original vinyl and if any are unknown tracks we have found and are still on the lookout for, we cover them up.......don't have any problem with people knowing what we play and if they can find the hard to find one's good luck to them.....from my experience many of the top dj's are happy to share information on new sounds once they are uncovered, as by that time all the one's floating about have been snapped up anyway.........due to the value of the records i do not let them out of my sight when the lids are unlocked, some of the dj's we have had guest at Fulbourn have locked their boxes to the table using a big metal cable and pad lock !

[Guest familytree]

Sorry, I was being a bit mean really, due to my killer death flu............I just felt that I was really struggling to get my point understood.......I am sorry that I was a bit inpatient.

Russ

No need to apologise i really did think it was funny! but perhas its because i have flu too???!!! sigh x

[Dave Abbott]

Sorry, I was being a bit mean really, due to my killer death flu............I just felt that I was really struggling to get my point understood.......I am sorry that I was a bit inpatient.

Russ

I had the killer death flu before you...typical