Supercorsa Posted April 26, 2005 Share Posted April 26, 2005 I can't see what all the fuss is about, I don't think it's all that. I wouldn't pay £50 for it, let alone £350. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 26, 2005 Share Posted April 26, 2005 Yes its Gary try +44 (0)1924 299461 Hope it goes well. A couple of people disagreed with my decription of the record as modern beat ballad. The phrase I of course made up a bit like somebody else made up the phrase 'northern soul' How about this then link Ill be first,not all that soulsmith!,could do better Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soulsmith Posted April 26, 2005 Author Share Posted April 26, 2005 Ill be first,not all that soulsmith!,could do better link Oi! I wasn't trying to find a record that you'd like.........I was just trying to find a phrase that would write myself into the history books Col You heard it here first! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soulsmith Posted April 26, 2005 Author Share Posted April 26, 2005 (edited) I can't see what all the fuss is about, I don't think it's all that. I wouldn't pay £50 for it, let alone £350. link Which of the 2 records are you currently objecting to? Having said that I know where you live. Staines suffers from noise pollution from the the M25, air pollution from Heathrow and effluent pollution from the Thames, so I am probably not going to listen to your reasoned arguments See you at Lightwater..... Col Edited April 26, 2005 by Soulsmith Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
vaultofsouler Posted April 26, 2005 Share Posted April 26, 2005 (edited) I can't see what all the fuss is about, I don't think it's all that. I wouldn't pay £50 for it, let alone £350. link .... Have I just read what I've read.... maybe overplayed in some places, yes.... maybe reactivated in others, yes.... but no matter what the score you can't escape the fact that it is a "class tune".... or is it the "cost" that gets some people .... the "if I can't afford it then it's crap" point of view .... f*** the "value" that's only between a buyer and seller.... it's what's in the grooves thatt's counts.... £5 or £5000 .... And this "has it" in the grooves .... Edited April 26, 2005 by vaultofsouler Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
pikeys dog Posted April 26, 2005 Share Posted April 26, 2005 bored with it to be honest..... Overplayed I.M.O, and if it was only a tenner very few people would even be discussing it. WOOF! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 26, 2005 Share Posted April 26, 2005 bored with it to be honest..... Overplayed I.M.O, and if it was only a tenner very few people would even be discussing it. WOOF! link What a real one,tenner i`ll have it Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simsy Posted April 26, 2005 Share Posted April 26, 2005 I wouldn't know, Mr Picky Jamie link On the subject of picky. Could we get Col to edit this from'pyramids' to 'Pyramid' Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soulsmith Posted April 27, 2005 Author Share Posted April 27, 2005 Ian - are you still here I might not agree with any of your views, but I'm starting to admire your tenacity. Col. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 I'm sorry to say Jazzman is being economical with the actualit. I'm sure this is accidental. Firstly, Michigan Move has nothing to do with Golden Eye records, since Golden Eye records produced exactly two tracks - Pyramid and the proper b-side, Capricorn XL-5 from memory. [As an aside, Pyramid was released in 1972 and Michigan Move is clearly a lot earlier than that.] So that side of the boot didn't come from a Golden Eye master Guy or anyone else picked up Stateside. The other side of the boot ie Pyramid didn't come from a master tape either, since George Brown (who is basically Golden Eye records) i) couldn't find the master tape and ii) knew nothing of this bootleg (or the two occasions when Pyramid came out on CD). Ergo, the only way that (second) record was produced was by dubbing straight from as clean a 45 as possible. Not only was the song ripped off, the label name was too, which was cute. In Guy's defence, it obviously was not an attempt to deceive paying punters: anyone with a brain knew immediately that this was a re-issue when it came out in the mid-80s. No point opening up the debate about bootlegs/artist royalties again, though I would point out that George Brown is not living particularly well and could do with some royalties from all three ripped-off re-issues. I'm happy to pass on any royalties people feel they want to offer (though I won't be holding my breath). As for whether it's any good, that's very straightforward as far as I'm concerned: it's the best record ever released (and I speak as someone who has about three other 70s records and is basically 60s to the bone). Used to make me cry when it was played at nighters all those years ago and without, I hope, sounding too pompous, having the privilege (with help from Mike Ashley which I have failed, by error, to acknowledge to date...sorry Mike!) of finding George and the honour of breaking the news to him about how revered he was all those miles away and years later was one of the best experiences of my life. link Great story Dan and thanks for answering my questions. I'm all for artists getting royalties but as the master tapes are gone I won't settle for 1st press as master re-issues, there's just too much music lost with those generations. When I used to listen to Jazzman's clip way before this thread, assumed that warm compression was from raw production and not from master source. Playing it now and gotta admit this is the first time I think it still sounds good ! I'm sure I'd think different if I heard the original record in person but that soundfile at the top o thread doesn't sound much more transparent than Jazzman's and has even more noise ratio? I was about to cancel the order but 40's not bad for it. Would be great if Guy and Jazzman could send a percentage to George but if that's not in the cards then there's no reason I can't pass something back however small. Tenyu Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 bored with it to be honest..... Overplayed I.M.O, and if it was only a tenner very few people would even be discussing it. WOOF! link I agree if it were common it may not get the same attention in the UK but depending on my mood I still really like the song. Tenyu Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
lisa vanner Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 Awesome track, always loved this only ever managed to own it on a boot The vocals are fantastic with that lovely deep voice, always made the hairs on my neck stand up!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Dan Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 bored with it to be honest..... Overplayed I.M.O, and if it was only a tenner very few people would even be discussing it. WOOF! link value (or actually, price) has got nothing to do with it this is quality through and through i'd say most people on here aren't price or rarity snobs really...most are interested in the sound first and everything else second Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sweeney Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 It's just a very beautiful and special record - I never tire of hearing it. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simsy Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 On the subject of picky. Could we get Col to edit this from'pyramids' to 'Pyramid' link Nah, I've gone to bed mate None of my views? One about the one of digging sixties soul? Thought you liked my posts Col Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 I do - it's brilliant - what an intro as well link Is it Northern tho Pete? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 Is it Northern tho Pete? link Yep!!!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
jocko Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 (edited) bored with it to be honest..... Overplayed I.M.O, and if it was only a tenner very few people would even be discussing it. WOOF! link I think you will find it was probably played as much and discussed as much when it was only a tenner, my very good friend Colin Law was lucky enough to get a dozen of these in the 80's, a few which resided with me for a few years, sadly no more, As someone else said just a very special record, one which was definitely around at the right time, however as not out that often I am probably lucky enough not to be suffering from it being overplayed, easy record to fall back on as dj would imagine. Cheers Jock Edited April 27, 2005 by jocko Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 Is it Northern tho Pete? link Strange question. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
vaultofsouler Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 value (or actually, price) has got nothing to do with it this is quality through and through i'd say most people on here aren't price or rarity snobs really...most are interested in the sound first and everything else second link Agreed Dan .... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest in town Mikey Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 Is this just another example of the inherent British desire to knock things or people when they achieve a certain level or status. There can be few more soulful records played in Northern Soul rooms than Pyramid. Its a classic. I hope it doesnt suffer from being overplayed. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest in town Mikey Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 Is this just another example of the inherent British desire to knock things or people when they achieve a certain level or status. There can be few more soulful records played in Northern Soul rooms than Pyramid. Its a classic. I hope it doesnt suffer from being overplayed. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
pikeys dog Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 Its got a novelty vocal. Its a bit slow. It's overplayed, to the point of getting boring. Would still rather hear it than 'She's gone' though..... that is overplayed to the hilt. Taste, it's a funny old thing ain't it? WOOF! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 Strange question. link Suppose its what you would call a modern beat ballad. If you think 'the only good modern record is a broken one', this record may leave you a little confused I'd be interested to hear other peoples views on it. Personally I like it. Col. Strange, but one which started this thread... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simsy Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 Suppose its what you would call a modern beat ballad. If you think 'the only good modern record is a broken one', this record may leave you a little confused I'd be interested to hear other peoples views on it. Personally I like it. Col. Strange, but one which started this thread... link It doesn't sound at all modern imo, could have been recorded in 1962. Just a wonderful record. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Supercorsa Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 I am making my opinion on hearing this (Pyramid - Soul Bros Inc) over the net, admittedly it may sound better out loud over a quality sound system. I still think it's not that special, but each to their own I suppose. I admit I may have been wrong in bringing the price into play, for that I apologise. However, I don't apologise for not liking it that much! Wouldn't it be more interesting if we were all As for an alternative slow tune, I prefer LV Johnson - Recipe. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 Suppose its what you would call a modern beat ballad. If you think 'the only good modern record is a broken one', this record may leave you a little confused I'd be interested to hear other peoples views on it. Personally I like it. Col. Strange, but one which started this thread... link I never thought about categorising it - it's just a great record with little of the elements that make me detest modern so much. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 (edited) Having been out of the scene for years it is funny to see what isn't really known anymore, this particular track was on everybodys wants in the mid 80's. I love it - being a Wire lad, it was quite a biggie at The Parr Hall niters back then too and I'm sorry you can't say this isn't a great track - period. Edited April 27, 2005 by Hottwaxx Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Jamie Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 Its got a novelty vocal. Its a bit slow. It's overplayed, to the point of getting boring. Would still rather hear it than 'She's gone' though..... that is overplayed to the hilt. Taste, it's a funny old thing ain't it? WOOF! link Understand what you mean. I do try and rest it, but people know I've got it and ask me to play it. I think I'll have to roll out the old chestnut 'I haven't got it with me' next time. Great tune, but yes, round our way heard a bit too often at the mo' Jamie Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 I love it - being a Wire lad link What's a wire lad??? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Jamie Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 What's a wire lad??? link Warrington, you uneducated Midland person Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 What's a wire lad??? link From Warrington. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 Sorry, no Rugby where you are? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 Warrington, you uneducated Midland person link Aah. Beaten to it by a tosser. (Someone from Leeds Pete ) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
vaultofsouler Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 Its got a novelty vocal. Its a bit slow. It's overplayed, to the point of getting boring. Would still rather hear it than 'She's gone' though..... that is overplayed to the hilt. Taste, it's a funny old thing ain't it? WOOF! link Taste would be a funny old thing to you Joe as dogs don't have any do they .... Couldn't resist it .... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 Sorry, no Rugby where you are? link Only bear baiting Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 Golden Eye records produced exactly two tracks - Pyramid and the proper b-side, Capricorn XL-5 link Cor!! Capricorn XL5 - what a top title It sounds like a cross between Capricorn One and Fireball XL5 (younger readers might as well give in now ) Seems like I need it for my Sci-Fi / Theme tune collection Soundfile of this B side anyone? Cheers, Godz Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Rob Wigley Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 As before, "Pyramid" first played at Stafford (by Adam ?), then went BIG in the late 80s when the scene was very undergound again. reminds me of the 100 club. The record was booted to supply demand for the record, however with the addition of the previously un-issued "michigan move" it is something of an oddity as that has never been released on vinyl anywhere before ! Pyramid was taken from an original copy, done in London, and the labels cocked up on each of the 500 copies pressed ! As a detroit fan it has to be worth having to get the un-issued track on 45. they sold at £5 each when done around 1988/89. Also thought this came out on Kent at some point (did it Ady ?) Pity the masters aren't available for a clean copy to be issued. As for anthing its worth as much as you want to pay for it, but don't be surprised if this isn't a future "collectable" in its own right. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Dan Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 As before, "Pyramid" first played at Stafford (by Adam ?), then went BIG in the late 80s when the scene was very undergound again. reminds me of the 100 club. The record was booted to supply demand for the record, however with the addition of the previously un-issued "michigan move" it is something of an oddity as that has never been released on vinyl anywhere before ! Pyramid was taken from an original copy, done in London, and the labels cocked up on each of the 500 copies pressed ! As a detroit fan it has to be worth having to get the un-issued track on 45. they sold at £5 each when done around 1988/89. Also thought this came out on Kent at some point (did it Ady ?) Pity the masters aren't available for a clean copy to be issued. As for anthing its worth as much as you want to pay for it, but don't be surprised if this isn't a future "collectable" in its own right. link First played by Dave Thorley, Rob. Really reminds me of the 100 Club as well, I think Ian Clark used to play it there (among others) and by the way what a fantastic jock Ian Clark was. Dan Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Rob Wigley Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 yep Clarkie is in my all time top 5 Djs, will see dave on saturday looks like a good un Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 The vocal is brilliant - that's what I love about it. Just a superb soul record... Hammy link Totally agree, George can sing in my ear anyday with that superb voice Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Lindsay Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Awesome Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dolly13 Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Suppose its what you would call a modern beat ballad. If you think 'the only good modern record is a broken one', this record may leave you a little confused I'd be interested to hear other peoples views on it. Personally I like it. Col. link I think it's a pucker tune.. great intro. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
vnicepce Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 [i give two shits what the record looks like. It's what's in the grooves that counts.-YES Wonderful, cool track. played at the 100 Club within the last two years....vocal is brilliant... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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