Northern Soul Values

[Barry]

Now this is a complicated query and I'll try not to make an arse out of myself in my positioning of it.

Just to get it out of the way at the beginning, I am a lad that has always looked up to the people that have sacrificed to buy original vinyl, I have been led by them, my values are borne of those exceptional individuals and I am, thanks to this upbringing, very anal when it comes to original vinyl - but!

Is Northern Soul and it's furtherance today, hindered by these values?

There are individuals that are in better positions to acquire original vinyl than others, maybe they are single, maybe they earn more, whatever it may be.

On the flip there are stone cold dancefloor punters, that spend a large portion of their weekly income making all-nighters what they are and have been, attending, learning and filling dance-floors.

Foot Soldiers it could be argued.

I would add myself to this group and I'm happy with where I am musically so I hope that you don't see this as a pop at people that sit above me in what people would see as the general scale of things.

I was out at a wedding do in Cleethorpes a couple of weeks ago, a do for Soulies and I'll admit that it's a while since I have been in the surroundings of 50 somethings talking about NS.

It was about 5.30am the following morning me and a belting fella called Terry, who is around 8-10 years my senior, were waxing lyrical about the state of the scene and I just listened to the level of his NS intellect - no doubt the intellect of many people that have fed this scene over the years have.

Terry puts do's on for nowt but the love, I hope I'm not making this up as I am trying to recall a messy conversation that we had late on, and I loved him for that.

Anyway, back to the point.

Is the NS scene about spreading this beautiful music or about looking up to relevant others that through chance are in a position to fulfill certain criteria.

I see so many posts about how horrific it is that someone played a boot, or something off cd - the point that causes the horror is that they played anything but the original.

Here comes the rub.

Surely we all have grown up on this scene, spent our youth and a great deal of our money - harder for some than others - learning our trade.

At what point is it bad for someone to show their knowledge whilst playing a set, if their set includes a non original piece of vinyl?

Could there be an amount of wanking certain better positioned people off to further your own lowly, in your mind maybe, position?

NORTHERN SOUL - it's all about the music.

Mmmmmm!?

[Ernie Andrews]

Now this is a complicated query and I'll try not to make an arse out of myself in my positioning of it.

Just to get it out of the way at the beginning, I am a lad that has always looked up to the people that have sacrificed to buy original vinyl, I have been led by them, my values are borne of those exceptional individuals and I am, thanks to this upbringing, very anal when it comes to original vinyl - but!

Is Northern Soul and it's furtherance today, hindered by these values?

There are individuals that are in better positions to acquire original vinyl than others, maybe they are single, maybe they earn more, whatever it may be.

On the flip there are stone cold dancefloor punters, that spend a large portion of their weekly income making all-nighters what they are and have been, attending, learning and filling dance-floors.

Foot Soldiers it could be argued.

I would add myself to this group and I'm happy with where I am musically so I hope that you don't see this as a pop at people that sit above me in what people would see as the general scale of things.

I was out at a wedding do in Cleethorpes a couple of weeks ago, a do for Soulies and I'll admit that it's a while since I have been in the surroundings of 50 somethings talking about NS.

It was about 5.30am the following morning me and a belting fella called Terry, who is around 8-10 years my senior, were waxing lyrical about the state of the scene and I just listened to the level of his NS intellect - no doubt the intellect of many people that have fed this scene over the years have.

Terry puts do's on for nowt but the love, I hope I'm not making this up as I am trying to recall a messy conversation that we had late on, and I loved him for that.

Anyway, back to the point.

Is the NS scene about spreading this beautiful music or about looking up to relevant others that through chance are in a position to fulfill certain criteria.

I see so many posts about how horrific it is that someone played a boot, or something off cd - the point that causes the horror is that they played anything but the original.

Here comes the rub.

Surely we all have grown up on this scene, spent our youth and a great deal of our money - harder for some than others - learning our trade.

At what point is it bad for someone to show their knowledge whilst playing a set, if their set includes a non original piece of vinyl?

Could there be an amount of wanking certain better positioned people off to further your own lowly, in your mind maybe, position?

NORTHERN SOUL - it's all about the music.

Mmmmmm!?

The original thing is quite simple!

Go to a soul night- watch DJ/collectors talk about originals, how much this just cost me- usually hundreds and I am going to play it in my set! Then watch the arsehole who is on before you and plays the bootleg that cost him a fiver. Why do people clap at the end of a set- simple appreciation of the records that have been put together by said DJ. The one playing the boots has duped the audience and furthermore disrespects the music/artist he claims is his love!

Another way of looking at it - Some Girl you know has a Calvin Klein handbag - wow Thats classy! until you find out that its a copy from Thailand- your whole view of the item and her changes.

Its the same with originals and boots!

Thats my view and Im sticking to it!

[Epic]

- Some Girl you know has a Calvin Klein handbag - wow Thats classy! until you find out that its a copy from Thailand- your whole view of the item and her changes.

Its the same with originals and boots!

Thats my view and Im sticking to it!

My missus bought me some boxer shorts off a street trader in Blackpool once - they said KEVIN KLINE round the waistband - do you think they may have been copies!!!!!!

[Guest Beeks]

I'm firmly in the OVO camp...but...one thing that has always perplexed me about this scene and it's supposed 'values' is the derision of legitimate re-issues...if the scene holds the artists in such high regard then I find it hard to grasp why it would begrudge the Artist money that they would make on the sale of such an issue

[Guest in town Mikey]

I'm firmly in the OVO camp...but...one thing that has always perplexed me about this scene and it's supposed 'values' is the derision of legitimate re-issues...if the scene holds the artists in such high regard then I find it hard to grasp why it would begrudge the Artist money that they would make on the sale of such an issue

I think its the old mod ethic.

Anything unique is good. Once every herbert in the high street has it, its no longer cool.

Nothing wrong with records being reissued, but their place and value on a scene born out of the mod world places different values on originality.

Thats my perspective anyway.

[Prophonics 2029]

I'm firmly in the OVO camp...but...one thing that has always perplexed me about this scene and it's supposed 'values' is the derision of legitimate re-issues...if the scene holds the artists in such high regard then I find it hard to grasp why it would begrudge the Artist money that they would make on the sale of such an issue

We don't and its probably the label owner releasing the second issue, its not a question of second issue its the boot and the bootees that's the root cause of all these wars.

BOOTEES can we have this word in Northern soul without thinking of a big bottomed black girl shaking her butt to some god awful Packaging music - Wrap.

Edited November 27, 2008 by Prophonics 2029

[Drew3]

I'm firmly in the OVO camp...but...one thing that has always perplexed me about this scene and it's supposed 'values' is the derision of legitimate re-issues...if the scene holds the artists in such high regard then I find it hard to grasp why it would begrudge the Artist money that they would make on the sale of such an issue

I too have always struggled with this Beeks whenever the topic comes up.

Boots are a no-goer for the obvious reason that they are snide, but a legitimate release I don't see the problem.

If two DJs at a night have the same record that they intend to play, one with a white demo (or whatever other form of origional) and the other with a later issue......talk to oneanother for Christs sake and decide who is playing the said tune.

If for some reason this is not possible and the DJ with the white demo (origional) comes on following the playing of the issue..........it's not the end of the sodding world.............................. play something else!!!!!!

KTF.

Drew.

[kevinsoulman]

my mate ritchie and i went to wigan and all over the uk together in the late 70s early 80s and whereas i collect vinyl and have a few boots in my collection as well as originals hes lost sold or had his stolen along the way and stunned me the other day when he said djs should have a computer with just about every sound on so as when someone requests it hes got it.and he is a far more frequent punter than i am

kev

[Zed1]

I'm perhaps just one of the Foot soldiers Barry mentions - so like any Soldier I'm more bothered whats 'in' the orders I recieve rather than the fomat they come 'on'...

Edited November 27, 2008 by Teapot

[Guest familytree]

Mmm, a quandry..

My instinct is to think its mainly about finance and protecting your investment that playing re-issues is frowned upon. Exclusivity, snobbery.

I can assure you as a punter/dancer it matters not to me or my friends whether its an original or a re-issue being played on the decks! boot legs, yes of course i can see thats not acceptable.

You dont need to be rich to have taste. And before someone tells me they are not rich but sweat blood/go without food to afford a title then good on you, thats your choice but it does not make you superior to the equally passionate N.S collector who buys a re-issue.

dont believe the hype!

[Guest mel brat]

"...I just listened to the level of his NS intellect - no doubt the intellect of many people that have fed this scene over the years have...."

Northern Soul??? Intellect???

intellect |ˈintl-ekt|

noun

the faculty of reasoning and understanding objectively, esp. with regard to abstract or academic matters...

Edited November 28, 2008 by mel brat

[Chris L]

Is the NS scene about spreading this beautiful music or about looking up to relevant others that through chance are in a position to fulfil certain criteria.

I see so many posts about how horrific it is that someone played a boot, or something off cd - the point that causes the horror is that they played anything but the original.

Surely we all have grown up on this scene, spent our youth and a great deal of our money - harder for some than others - learning our trade.

NORTHERN SOUL - it's all about the music.

Mmmmmm!?

Generally speaking the scene is a pretty mature one, if possible one should play original vinyl at a venue however it's hardly a hanging offence if the odd pressing gets played here or there (like those unreleased Motown tracks). The vocal minority that posts on this forum (aka The Soul Police) are no way representative of the NS scene at large in fact most have their heads so far up their ar**s you can see their tongues sticking out of their bellybuttons.

[Barry]

Thanks for the input folks.

[Chris L]

Thanks for the input folks.

You're welcome now go back to sleep.....................

[Barry]

You're welcome now go back to sleep.....................

I got bored with that sleep malarky when the dot came on after the National Anthem was broadcast at 10.30pm on The Beeb mate.

Call yourself a Soulie?

[Mike]

Generally speaking the scene is a pretty mature one, if possible one should play original vinyl at a venue however it's hardly a hanging offence if the odd pressing gets played here or there (like those unreleased Motown tracks). The vocal minority that posts on this forum (aka The Soul Police) are no way representative of the NS scene at large in fact most have their heads so far up their ar**s you can see their tongues sticking out of their bellybuttons.

vocal minority

come on

forums all about discussion, members posting their views is just part of this

could argue that your post and manner comes across more "soul police" than any member just passing on his or her own thoughts

[Spacehopper]

ive been resisting this to be honest as its been done so many times but i just cant help myself !....and im bored at work and it keeps me off ebay !!

firstly let me say if a venue/dj plays boots its up to them ..it wouldnt make me stay away from there gig (if i wasnt going elsewhere that is!) BUT...there has been lots of talk about djs playing safe with ovo gigs and spinning the same old same old, i reckon if there was no problem with boots a lot more would be spinning the same old same old and then those dancers who dont care about format actually probably would when EVERY venue is playing more or less the same tunes !....AND lots of wicked cheaper originals wouldnt be getting spinned and 'discovered'...

as far as the royalty arguement goes unless they were the songwriters i wouldnt have thought the atrists get anything from legit reissues anymore than bootlegs !....if soul was anything like reggae back then they would have been paid for singing the tune by the producer and thats it..done !....and i cant see any djs/dealers sending them a percentage of the massivly inflated ammounts they sell the said tunes on for 40 years later....and why should they

ofcourse the 'scene' inc bootlegs,re issues and demand for ov helps the artists getting more work ,live appearences to this day....as dean parish kept saying at hemsby 'thank god for northern soul' cos without it he and many others would have been skint and long forgotten...

in my opinion

[grouse]

The original thing is quite simple!

Go to a soul night- watch DJ/collectors talk about originals, how much this just cost me- usually hundreds and I am going to play it in my set! Then watch the arsehole who is on before you and plays the bootleg that cost him a fiver.

Works the other way too, A few years ago I was guesting at a local oldies night and played Rita & Tiaras as my last record, the guy coming on after me was most miffed as he had already cued it up on his 'Best of Wigan' CD.!!!!

I don't think he even recognised that there was a difference???

Edited November 28, 2008 by grouse

[Chris L]

vocal minority

come on

forums all about discussion, members posting their views is just part of this

could argue that your post and manner comes across more "soul police" than any member just passing on his or her own thoughts

No sure Mike where I could be accused of being a Soul Copper with this text :

"Generally speaking the scene is a pretty mature one, if possible one should play original vinyl at a venue however it's hardly a hanging offence if the odd pressing gets played here or there (like those unreleased Motown tracks). The vocal minority that posts on this forum (aka The Soul Police) are no way representative of the NS scene at large in fact most have their heads so far up their ar**s you can see their tongues sticking out of their bellybuttons."

No enforcing on my part - maybe you read into it something else ??

[Dazcymru]

Mmm, a quandry..

My instinct is to think its mainly about finance and protecting your investment that playing re-issues is frowned upon. Exclusivity, snobbery.

I can assure you as a punter/dancer it matters not to me or my friends whether its an original or a re-issue being played on the decks! boot legs, yes of course i can see thats not acceptable.

You dont need to be rich to have taste. And before someone tells me they are not rich but sweat blood/go without food to afford a title then good on you, thats your choice but it does not make you superior to the equally passionate N.S collector who buys a re-issue.

dont believe the hype!

Fair point and IMO it would be fair to say that 99% of punters don't GAF about the format/label either. I can't remember the last time I saw anyone running to the DJ to check the decks before hitting the floor!!!!

[Guest familytree]

Fair point and IMO it would be fair to say that 99% of punters don't GAF about the format/label either. I can't remember the last time I saw anyone running to the DJ to check the decks before hitting the floor!!!!

Exactly!... but if we where told X played the original while Z played a re-issue, how do you feel about this, who is the more worthy D.J? It would be judged on his set not on how much one paid for a track. If that has been the critiria of a good N.S D.J then its bypassed me and many others. Perhaps thats how it worked in the old days and these guys could manopolise the scene but thats not been the case for many a year .. thank god!

[stomper45]

ive been resisting this to be honest as its been done so many times but i just cant help myself !....and im bored at work and it keeps me off ebay !!

firstly let me say if a venue/dj plays boots its up to them ..it wouldnt make me stay away from there gig (if i wasnt going elsewhere that is!) BUT...there has been lots of talk about djs playing safe with ovo gigs and spinning the same old same old, i reckon if there was no problem with boots a lot more would be spinning the same old same old and then those dancers who dont care about format actually probably would when EVERY venue is playing more or less the same tunes !....AND lots of wicked cheaper originals wouldnt be getting spinned and 'discovered'...

as far as the royalty arguement goes unless they were the songwriters i wouldnt have thought the atrists get anything from legit reissues anymore than bootlegs !....if soul was anything like reggae back then they would have been paid for singing the tune by the producer and thats it..done !....and i cant see any djs/dealers sending them a percentage of the massivly inflated ammounts they sell the said tunes on for 40 years later....and why should they

ofcourse the 'scene' inc bootlegs,re issues and demand for ov helps the artists getting more work ,live appearences to this day....as dean parish kept saying at hemsby 'thank god for northern soul' cos without it he and many others would have been skint and long forgotten...

in my opinion

Yep I was resisting too

The usual naff "as a dancer i dont give a stuff what format" approach, as you say would soon change when they find every copycat playing the same tunes at every venue usually pretending theyre keeping with the ovo.

And as been said loads original dont mean expensive big ticket sets always.

Thought most got into this underground scene as they were hearing sounds for the first time.

And why if it dont matter, do venues never state on the flyer it's an any format event, no its not a hanging offence but be upfront at least bout it?

Originals policy keep the scene fresh, if your a dj, work at it, search out them cheap underplayed stuff waiting for a play.

Yeah its a mod thing

[Guest]

Now this is a complicated query and I'll try not to make an arse out of myself in my positioning of it.

Just to get it out of the way at the beginning, I am a lad that has always looked up to the people that have sacrificed to buy original vinyl, I have been led by them, my values are borne of those exceptional individuals and I am, thanks to this upbringing, very anal when it comes to original vinyl - but!

Is Northern Soul and it's furtherance today, hindered by these values?

There are individuals that are in better positions to acquire original vinyl than others, maybe they are single, maybe they earn more, whatever it may be.

On the flip there are stone cold dancefloor punters, that spend a large portion of their weekly income making all-nighters what they are and have been, attending, learning and filling dance-floors.

Foot Soldiers it could be argued.

I would add myself to this group and I'm happy with where I am musically so I hope that you don't see this as a pop at people that sit above me in what people would see as the general scale of things.

I was out at a wedding do in Cleethorpes a couple of weeks ago, a do for Soulies and I'll admit that it's a while since I have been in the surroundings of 50 somethings talking about NS.

It was about 5.30am the following morning me and a belting fella called Terry, who is around 8-10 years my senior, were waxing lyrical about the state of the scene and I just listened to the level of his NS intellect - no doubt the intellect of many people that have fed this scene over the years have.

Terry puts do's on for nowt but the love, I hope I'm not making this up as I am trying to recall a messy conversation that we had late on, and I loved him for that.

Anyway, back to the point.

Is the NS scene about spreading this beautiful music or about looking up to relevant others that through chance are in a position to fulfill certain criteria.

I see so many posts about how horrific it is that someone played a boot, or something off cd - the point that causes the horror is that they played anything but the original.

Here comes the rub.

Surely we all have grown up on this scene, spent our youth and a great deal of our money - harder for some than others - learning our trade.

At what point is it bad for someone to show their knowledge whilst playing a set, if their set includes a non original piece of vinyl?

Could there be an amount of wanking certain better positioned people off to further your own lowly, in your mind maybe, position?

NORTHERN SOUL - it's all about the music.

Mmmmmm!?

No ........... Northern Soul is all about great Pussy !

Even if the Decks broke down ............ we would still pull a bit of sweet pussy and have a good night !

Thats my view !

Edited November 29, 2008 by mossy

[Guest Byrney]

Well it was kind of inevitable someone would drag up the the term soul police to describe those with an opposing view,

Anyway.. I sold all my collection when I got fed up with the scene in 94. Came back as a part time plaggy punter around 2000 and have resisted buying vinyl to date- however if I'm at a soul event I want to her soul music played on originals, not some cheap imitator wanabee riding on a myth that they're a DJ with box full of boots. I pay my coin and want the real deal in return played by Djs who paid their dues - suppose that makes me soul police eh?

PS I'm a rare breed I'm not - or have any desire to be a DJ

Evening all - mind how you go

Keep em peeled

[Guest]

Well it was kind of inevitable someone would drag up the the term soul police to describe those with an opposing view,

Anyway.. I sold all my collection when I got fed up with the scene in 94. Came back as a part time plaggy punter around 2000 and have resisted buying vinyl to date- however if I'm at a soul event I want to her soul music played on originals, not some cheap imitator wanabee riding on a myth that they're a DJ with box full of boots. I pay my coin and want the real deal in return played by Djs who paid their dues - suppose that makes me soul police eh?

PS I'm a rare breed I'm not - or have any desire to be a DJ

Evening all - mind how you go

Keep em peeled

ovo ! ANYTHING ELSE IS JUST A POOR IMPOSTER !

60S.......NORTHERN..........CLASSICS........RNB.......... POPCORN.... 60S .... FORGOTTON OLDIES.............60S NEWIES..................SKA N ROCKSTEADY !!!

WHATEVER .............................................................IS ONLY REALLY REAL ON OVO!

AND THATS FROM A COLLECTORS POINT OF VIEW .....................NOT A DJS !!!!

ITS GOT TO BE ON ORIGINAL CHUNKY VINYL FOR ME, WHICH HAS TAKEN TIME TROUBLE AND MONEY (AND PASSION) TO FIND AND OWN !!!!

WEATHER IT BE A MASSIVE POPULAR RARE TUNE OR A COMPLETE UNKNOWN 45 !

OR AM I MISSING THE FECKING POINT AGAIN ?

MOSSY XX

Edited November 29, 2008 by mossy

[Barry]

No ........... Northern Soul is all about great Pussy !

Even if the Decks broke down ............ we would still pull a bit of sweet pussy and have a good night !

Thats my view !

I'd have preferred to have read your pre-edited post Mossy - edits don't look good mate.

Actually upon re-reading it, I don't understand uour well thought out reply.

I can taste the sarcasm but I prefer a good meat and two veg answer mesen'.

Certain posts don't half bring out the celebrity-seekers don't they, ay??

[Barry]

There does seem to be some heavy prejudice toward people that may dare to play a boot - odd really, when almost every fecker has bought one over the years - buying a boot, or playing one is a little less poor than the lads who were part of the scene that actually booted the single, some of whom are legends on this scene.

Also I take it that people get the hump with boots as the artist/writer/publisher doesn't get the exposure/royalties or whatever?

Explain then why it was deemed okay to cover up stuff then - same shit as booting stuff surely, if not moreso?

As c/u tracks kept the artists exposure concealed for years.

Boots if nothing else spread the names of the writers and singers to an audience that otherwise would not have been able to own, play at home to others, inform others about these obscure artists etc.

If I may bring in at this point that Defected Records (Old Soul Boy Simon Dunmores baby label understood this to the degree that they released accapella albums that were specifically released as to encourage people to release underground covers of their own releases - as - they reaalised that anything that carried their vocal imprint spread the word of the original content....I'm going off on one here aren't I?

C/u's seem to have been tolerated as okay as it made 'your' scene a tad more mystical when you rattled on about it to people outside of your circle, it made you look a little cooler - at the same time (then - BITD) boots were part and parcel of the scene - end of the night, you had £2 quid left you bought a boot off Minshull or Madeline - boots, as this scene has matured have suffered as people have similarly matured - and it smacks of hypocrisy at times - don't talk bad about bootlegs if you still have one nestling in your box.

'Let he who casts the first pressing' and all that ay?

[Guest]

There does seem to be some heavy prejudice toward people that may dare to play a boot - odd really, when almost every fecker has bought one over the years - buying a boot, or playing one is a little less poor than the lads who were part of the scene that actually booted the single, some of whom are legends on this scene.

Also I take it that people get the hump with boots as the artist/writer/publisher doesn't get the exposure/royalties or whatever?

Explain then why it was deemed okay to cover up stuff then - same shit as booting stuff surely, if not moreso?

As c/u tracks kept the artists exposure concealed for years.

Boots if nothing else spread the names of the writers and singers to an audience that otherwise would not have been able to own, play at home to others, inform others about these obscure artists etc.

If I may bring in at this point that Defected Records (Old Soul Boy Simon Dunmores baby label understood this to the degree that they released accapella albums that were specifically released as to encourage people to release underground covers of their own releases - as - they reaalised that anything that carried their vocal imprint spread the word of the original content....I'm going off on one here aren't I?

C/u's seem to have been tolerated as okay as it made 'your' scene a tad more mystical when you rattled on about it to people outside of your circle, it made you look a little cooler - at the same time (then - BITD) boots were part and parcel of the scene - end of the night, you had £2 quid left you bought a boot off Minshull or Madeline - boots, as this scene has matured have suffered as people have similarly matured - and it smacks of hypocrisy at times - don't talk bad about bootlegs if you still have one nestling in your box.

'Let he who casts the first pressing' and all that ay?

If this is such a issue to some people , I feel that their morals are hypocitical , and very questionable , when it comes to the playing of OV .........

Malc Burton

Edited November 29, 2008 by Malc Burton

[Chris L]

There does seem to be some heavy prejudice toward people that may dare to play a boot - odd really, when almost every fecker has bought one over the years - buying a boot, or playing one is a little less poor than the lads who were part of the scene that actually booted the single, some of whom are legends on this scene.

'Let he who casts the first pressing' and all that ay?

Yes Barry you're right and just where do you draw the line ? You wanna play Eddie Spencer ? Does it HAVE to be on Canadian ARC or on a UK release, after all the UK release isn't a boot, you could argue it's an original, I suspect the real reason has far more to de with being snobbish, that's always been on the scene. Right it's 06.58 it's cold time for some porridge..................

[Barry]

Yes Barry you're right and just where do you draw the line ? You wanna play Eddie Spencer ? Does it HAVE to be on Canadian ARC or on a UK release, after all the UK release isn't a boot, you could argue it's an original, I suspect the real reason has far more to de with being snobbish, that's always been on the scene. Right it's 06.58 it's cold time for some porridge..................

Thanks for the reply Chris, it's hard work being up at this time waiting for some input ha ha, thanks for yours.

It does mate, yes, people skirt boots in general, when they talk about them on message boards anyhow - on the whole though they get poor press, there's a lot more skull-duggery that has gone on that hurts the scene and it's supposed heroes in reality.

[Guest]

I'd have preferred to have read your pre-edited post Mossy - edits don't look good mate.

Actually upon re-reading it, I don't understand uour well thought out reply.

I can taste the sarcasm but I prefer a good meat and two veg answer mesen'.

Certain posts don't half bring out the celebrity-seekers don't they, ay??

Edited November 29, 2008 by mossy

[Baz Atkinson]

I collect ,rare sixties but also crossover,deep and sweet,funk,gospel,quirky stuff,modern,southern etc,i do not equate alot of my collecting habits with any scene,just personnel enjoyment!

if people want to equate some level of exclusivty for collecting hard to gain originals,then bigger fool them,harder records many of which are average most are played out imho.

The so called northern scene has always been insular and coverted the rare as opposed to quality,but alot including myself in the past have sworn by that mantra so in many ways the scene has been victim to its own philosophy!

I just like what i like now,and to be honest the uPfront dos out there have thankfully moved on enough to throw in alot of what i like including a bit latin,funky stuff,crossover etc and lesser known sixties so hard argument to follow imho.

BAZ A

[Guest Ollie Lailey]

As a punter i want to hear Dj's playing original records, simple as that. playing bootlegs or CDs is piss easy (i could do it). I've got about 2 weeks of soul music of one kind or another on my PC loads of re-issues of classic oldies on 45 that i bought years ago and still buy the odd one. If i went to a do and the dj was playing of boots or cd's or re-issues i would get the hump becase i could do that! Only been into the scene for 6 or 7 years and im under 30 and i dont find it difficult to understand the ovo ethic, dont know why people struggle with the concept? Private party or local night in a pub fine play what you want but if im travelling and paying hard cash i want the real thing.....thank you very much.

[barney]

as a punter with a mediocre knowledge of the music, know what I like and if I hear something which catches my attention I ask my more knowledgeable friends who and what. IMHO I don't care what format the music is played on and I pity the vinyl junkies who spend vast amounts of their hard earned cash on what I would consider in some instances tripe, but such is their want.

what really matters to me when I go to a venue is the ambience of the place,atmosphere ,and the people present and last but not least the music. dj,s who are in tune with the punters who can fill the floor ,who can smoothly play a set ,change tempo ,vary the sounds .and that the event runs smoothly from start to finish and at the end be able to say ,am deffo coming back here.

[Guest familytree]

Yep I was resisting too

The usual naff "as a dancer i dont give a stuff what format" approach, as you say would soon change when they find every copycat playing the same tunes at every venue usually pretending theyre keeping with the ovo.

[Guest familytree]

Yep I was resisting too

The usual naff "as a dancer i dont give a stuff what format" approach, as you say would soon change when they find every copycat playing the same tunes at every venue usually pretending theyre keeping with the ovo.

without the naff dancers approach there would be no scene and no one to play your exclusive tunes to! as far as changing views if the same tunes where played at every venue i have to disagree because you know what your going to get at different events and make an informed choice.... as ive said a D.J is judged on his set with most punters and not whether its ov! god we have lives to live, do you think we have sleepless nights about it?

I think most rare soul collectors just need to admit they have a habit they cannot control and not try to justify it by slagging off anyone else who dare play a re-issue.

[Dave West]

Just wondering what about the "super rare" records, many of us would never get to hear them if it wasn't for the re-issue.

[barney]

Just wondering what about the "super rare" records, many of us would never get to hear them if it wasn't for the re-issue.

super rare : these would probably surface an shine thru on any format. what about previously un released tracks that have found there way onto the scene

[Guest Netspeaky]

I heard a whole hour of top northern tunes being played last Friday in one spot, I doubt if any one of them was an original, the floor was full and they clapped the DJ. The DJ thought he was a star but he would never have played one of these tracks prior to them being made popular by DJ's with the original 45's. Long live the cover up, one-offs, acetates etc. as it keeps them at bay for a while.

[Guest WPaulVanDyk]

Well to me original vinyl is the best and should be played if you can afford it. But what if it's a re-issue that was allowed to be re-issued by an artist or someone dosen't that count. It's the ones that are made without any say so i have problems with

no different to vinyl carvers. but as for CD's i think that's different if you are getting paid for tracks to be included on a cd. but most punters who go to nights don't care what format a song is played on as they enjoy themself

[stomper45]

without the naff dancers approach there would be no scene and no one to play your exclusive tunes to! as far as changing views if the same tunes where played at every venue i have to disagree because you know what your going to get at different events and make an informed choice.... as ive said a D.J is judged on his set with most punters and not whether its ov! god we have lives to live, do you think we have sleepless nights about it?

I think most rare soul collectors just need to admit they have a habit they cannot control and not try to justify it by slagging off anyone else who dare play a re-issue.

I have sleepless nights every month ,it's the name of our club

I didn't think I slagged off people who play reissues or boots just said they should be upfront about doing so.

Dancers (this includes many a dj) have differing views, some want to dance to same old all night, others willing to hear something for the first time now and again.

Rare soul records should remain just that, theirs tons of expensive and cheap tunes no need for them to be hammered by lazy dj's who show no inclination or imagination in looking to keep the scene fresh.

Original vinyl ensures you'r gonna hear something different from guys passionately pushing their latest purchase irrespective of cost and cover ups do add a bit of mystery and increase interest in artist when finally revealed. You wouldn't have heard it anyway if not for the crate digger willing to play something unknown. Legit re-issues tend to get hammered too.

How many unknowns at an any format night?

[Guest andyrattigan]

I buy mostly original vinyl and the odd re-issue but never a boot.

I buy cds for listening to at home but when I DJ, which is rarely, I play only from original vinyl as a mark of respect to all those collectors who spent years buying and searching for the elusive records out there. I would never play from a boot, I wont even buy them.

There was a time when I would have played a track from say a goldmine re-issue 45 but I would never do that now. Anyway its just too easy and any mug can be a DJ doing that its a lazy way of DJing and disrespectful to those that go out of there way to hunt down the original records.

Now that I am spending a lot more time and money collecting and searching for records I would hate to see some guy just play from a collection of cds and recent re-issues (Goldmine) or boots.

However, it doesnt bother me people playing UK issues, or re-issues on the original label or tracks from original albums. I know this is a minority view but its mine and I stick by it.

[Spacehopper]

without the naff dancers approach there would be no scene and no one to play your exclusive tunes to! as far as changing views if the same tunes where played at every venue i have to disagree because you know what your going to get at different events and make an informed choice.... as ive said a D.J is judged on his set with most punters and not whether its ov! god we have lives to live, do you think we have sleepless nights about it?

I think most rare soul collectors just need to admit they have a habit they cannot control and not try to justify it by slagging off anyone else who dare play a re-issue.

[Guest familytree]

I have sleepless nights every month ,it's the name of our club

I didn't think I slagged off people who play reissues or boots just said they should be upfront about doing so.

Dancers (this includes many a dj) have differing views, some want to dance to same old all night, others willing to hear something for the first time now and again.

Rare soul records should remain just that, theirs tons of expensive and cheap tunes no need for them to be hammered by lazy dj's who show no inclination or imagination in looking to keep the scene fresh.

Original vinyl ensures you'r gonna hear something different from guys passionately pushing their latest purchase irrespective of cost and cover ups do add a bit of mystery and increase interest in artist when finally revealed. You wouldn't have heard it anyway if not for the crate digger willing to play something unknown. Legit re-issues tend to get hammered too.

How many unknowns at an any format night?

Good name for a night! ...yes i see your point... wasnt thinking about it like that, just seeing it as snobbery and ego's but looking at it that way, yea ok... shall i check out the decks when im next flinging foot?! ... Is it a daft question to think we must have uncovered the lions share of gems now after 40 years... or is that why it was decided there was life in later releases... with that theory, when they are exhausted it may be 'soulful garage' on the hunt list?... its ol.. dont bite, Im not going through all that again! peace x

[Guest Beeks]

with that theory, when they are exhausted it may be 'soulful garage' on the hunt list?... its ol.. dont bite, Im not going through all that again! peace x

Don't even think about it Miss Tree

[Guest familytree]

Don't even think about it Miss Tree

Ha Ha .. bugger off you... think we made that Dave chap close his thread batting comments back n forth... oops!.... nice to see your coming round to my way of thinkin tho... very admirable steppin down

[Guest Beeks]

nice to see your coming round to my way of thinkin tho...

I think Hell and Freeze over spring to mind

Anyway i'm not hijacking this thread as well so i'm keeping shtum

[Guest]

I heard a whole hour of top northern tunes being played last Friday in one spot, I doubt if any one of them was an original, the floor was full and they clapped the DJ. The DJ thought he was a star but he would never have played one of these tracks prior to them being made popular by DJ's with the original 45's. Long live the cover up, one-offs, acetates etc. as it keeps them at bay for a while.

Top Post !

[Guest Beeks]

Top Post !

Mossy are you a fookin Vampire? Only ever see you on here after 1am

[sister dawn]

Mossy are you a fookin Vampire? Only ever see you on here after 1am

is it not normal beeks to exist within the early morning darkness??? OVO for me too ...lol xxx