Pete S Posted November 20, 2008 Posted November 20, 2008 There's an interesting story behind this one. Back in 1991 I was running a magazine called Beatin Rhythm and was also at the peak of my UK label collecting phase, and I was contacted by this chap John Ritson who was the original lead singer of Chapter Five. He was after a copy of One In A Million, which I had, but didn't want to part with really. Anyway he sent me lots of great cuttings and we had a good chat and one of the things he told me was that the band's manager, the apparently aptly named Mervyn Conn, had asked him to leave the band and go solo and call himself John St. John. This suggestion didn't go down too well and the band stayed together for a while longer and then split. Anyway a couple of years ago, to my and several other peoples astonishment, a German copy of You Can't Mean It backed with One In A Million was turned up, complete with picture sleeve and credited to John St. John! At the weekend I was browsing Ebay and lo and behold, there's another copy of John St. John but this time on an Italian label called GTA records. It was described as VG- with a small edge crack but I thought I'd go for it anyway. So I won it at £118 (I bid £350) and I've now got it and not only does it play near mint with no sound from the crack, the sound quality is unbelievable, it's better than the UK CBS copy (which I also have). Note that they've mixed the composers up too. The point of all this is - I've had hundreds and hundreds of rare records over the years, going up to £2500 on one thing I sold, but I rate this particular record as being up amongst the rarest of them all. How many copies are known? Can't be that many. And I know it's a love or hate record but I absolutely love it!
Supercorsa Posted November 20, 2008 Posted November 20, 2008 I thought for a minute it was going to be a copy of The Carstairs that you hadn't smashed into a million pieces!
Kelboy Posted November 20, 2008 Posted November 20, 2008 (edited) Wow Pete that is a rare one. Ive been collecting things like that on and off for 30 years and have never heard of it on that label, i knew someone who had a South-African copy once but i dont think it was backed with One in a million. Edited November 20, 2008 by KELBOY
Pete S Posted November 20, 2008 Author Posted November 20, 2008 Wow Pete that is a rare one. Ive been collecting things like that on and off for 30 years and have never heard of that, i knew someone who had a south-african copy once. Yes I've had the South African one through my hands, tri centre which makes it look really weird
Benji Posted November 20, 2008 Posted November 20, 2008 Been trying to find a german copy for years now w/out any luck. I consider it to be among the rarest Euro soul releases. I wish I had either a german or italian press, both Chapter Five goodies on one 45, wow!
Simsy Posted November 20, 2008 Posted November 20, 2008 I know it's a love or hate record but I absolutely love it! So do I. Closest I've ever come to having a copy was a broken (CBS) demo 18 years ago. That GTA thing looks super rare.
Pete S Posted November 20, 2008 Author Posted November 20, 2008 Been trying to find a german copy for years now w/out any luck. I consider it to be among the rarest Euro soul releases. I wish I had either a german or italian press, both Chapter Five goodies on one 45, wow! What was the German label Benji, was it Ariola or Artone, something like that?
Prophonics 2029 Posted November 20, 2008 Posted November 20, 2008 Interesting design on that label Pete it still has the CBS eye logo in the middle.
Benji Posted November 20, 2008 Posted November 20, 2008 What was the German label Benji, was it Ariola or Artone, something like that? Don't know if it's wise to let the cat out of the bag on Soul Source but it's Ariola ...
Benji Posted November 20, 2008 Posted November 20, 2008 £460 last year Wasn't aware of that , the last copy I've seen went for 60 Euros...
Sean Hampsey Posted November 20, 2008 Posted November 20, 2008 One here finished t'other week! https://cgi.ebay.es/CHAPTER-FIVE-you-cant-m...emZ180299987848 Sean
Guest Posted November 20, 2008 Posted November 20, 2008 (edited) There's an interesting story behind this one. Back in 1991 I was running a magazine called Beatin Rhythm and was also at the peak of my UK label collecting phase, and I was contacted by this chap John Ritson who was the original lead singer of Chapter Five. He was after a copy of One In A Million, which I had, but didn't want to part with really. Anyway he sent me lots of great cuttings and we had a good chat and one of the things he told me was that the band's manager, the apparently aptly named Mervyn Conn, had asked him to leave the band and go solo and call himself John St. John. This suggestion didn't go down too well and the band stayed together for a while longer and then split. Anyway a couple of years ago, to my and several other peoples astonishment, a German copy of You Can't Mean It backed with One In A Million was turned up, complete with picture sleeve and credited to John St. John! At the weekend I was browsing Ebay and lo and behold, there's another copy of John St. John but this time on an Italian label called GTA records. It was described as VG- with a small edge crack but I thought I'd go for it anyway. So I won it at £118 (I bid £350) and I've now got it and not only does it play near mint with no sound from the crack, the sound quality is unbelievable, it's better than the UK CBS copy (which I also have). Note that they've mixed the composers up too. The point of all this is - I've had hundreds and hundreds of rare records over the years, going up to £2500 on one thing I sold, but I rate this particular record as being up amongst the rarest of them all. How many copies are known? Can't be that many. And I know it's a love or hate record but I absolutely love it! Docrobert(Rob Bailey) on here as one,i said on here sounds much better. Edited November 20, 2008 by ken
Sean Hampsey Posted November 20, 2008 Posted November 20, 2008 Docrobert(Rob Bailey) on here as one,i said on here sounds much better. Soundfile for both sides here! https://www.goear.com/listen.php?v=feb9614 Sean
Guest KEN-SOUL Posted November 20, 2008 Posted November 20, 2008 this record has haunted me for years. now you tell me this!!!
Mick Holdsworth Posted November 20, 2008 Posted November 20, 2008 There's an interesting story behind this one. Back in 1991 I was running a magazine called Beatin Rhythm and was also at the peak of my UK label collecting phase, and I was contacted by this chap John Ritson who was the original lead singer of Chapter Five. He was after a copy of One In A Million, which I had, but didn't want to part with really. Anyway he sent me lots of great cuttings and we had a good chat and one of the things he told me was that the band's manager, the apparently aptly named Mervyn Conn, had asked him to leave the band and go solo and call himself John St. John. This suggestion didn't go down too well and the band stayed together for a while longer and then split. Anyway a couple of years ago, to my and several other peoples astonishment, a German copy of You Can't Mean It backed with One In A Million was turned up, complete with picture sleeve and credited to John St. John! At the weekend I was browsing Ebay and lo and behold, there's another copy of John St. John but this time on an Italian label called GTA records. It was described as VG- with a small edge crack but I thought I'd go for it anyway. So I won it at £118 (I bid £350) and I've now got it and not only does it play near mint with no sound from the crack, the sound quality is unbelievable, it's better than the UK CBS copy (which I also have). Note that they've mixed the composers up too. The point of all this is - I've had hundreds and hundreds of rare records over the years, going up to £2500 on one thing I sold, but I rate this particular record as being up amongst the rarest of them all. How many copies are known? Can't be that many. And I know it's a love or hate record but I absolutely love it! Saw this, think I might have bidded on it, but the crack put me off - There was talk on here a few months ago when some other John St John variation turned up on Ariola, probably the one pictured above. Cheers Mick Holdsworth https://northern-soul-records.com https://motownsound.co.uk
harpo1 Posted November 30, 2008 Posted November 30, 2008 Peter, Personally any copies of Chapter five that turn up just increase my potential misery factor, and by that i mean there might be even more chance of me having to hear it ever again The abriged version with 4 chapter sounds good to me But as you are well aware its just my opinion, as is yours relating to my all time fave. the Carstairs See ya soon Paul
Sunnysoul Posted November 30, 2008 Posted November 30, 2008 Looks like there's plenty of 'em around ... in one form or another.
Pete S Posted November 30, 2008 Author Posted November 30, 2008 Looks like there's plenty of 'em around ... in one form or another. Yeah, 2 non-Chapter 5 copies. Wow. That's plenty alright.
Pete S Posted November 30, 2008 Author Posted November 30, 2008 Peter, Personally any copies of Chapter five that turn up just increase my potential misery factor, and by that i mean there might be even more chance of me having to hear it ever again The abriged version with 4 chapter sounds good to me But as you are well aware its just my opinion, as is yours relating to my all time fave. the Carstairs See ya soon Paul Speechless. That anyone could actually enjoy listening to The Carstairs I mean. Might as well get a group of singing dogs and make them howl into a microphone.
Guest julesp1905 Posted December 14, 2008 Posted December 14, 2008 Always remember back in the late 80's the aptly named Lee Bates from Kent placed an ad in the local Barrow in Furness paper looking for a copy of Both Chapter 5 Singles, think he got 5 copies of YCMI and 8 OIAM before the said local rag run a story detailing the value of the records and the offers then ran out.
Pete S Posted December 14, 2008 Author Posted December 14, 2008 Always remember back in the late 80's the aptly named Lee Bates from Kent placed an ad in the local Barrow in Furness paper looking for a copy of Both Chapter 5 Singles, think he got 5 copies of YCMI and 8 OIAM before the said local rag run a story detailing the value of the records and the offers then ran out. Thats a true story but the figures are wrong, I don't think he got any OIAM which would make sense seeing as it never got into the shops but he did get a few YCMI. My mate Gary White got me one using the same method, though he did live in Barrow. He actually worked with the songwriter of YCMI, Dave McGerty, who was a security guard at the Vickers establishment. Come to think of it, it was me who put D McG in touvh with Goldmine to get the record reissued, did I get a thank you, did I b*llocks
Guest sandi Posted December 14, 2008 Posted December 14, 2008 Speechless. That anyone could actually enjoy listening to The Carstairs I mean. Might as well get a group of singing dogs and make them howl into a microphone. PMSL, l swear to god l'm gonna bang your heads together
Mike Posted December 14, 2008 Posted December 14, 2008 Thats a true story but the figures are wrong, I don't think he got any OIAM which would make sense seeing as it never got into the shops but he did get a few YCMI. My mate Gary White got me one using the same method, though he did live in Barrow. He actually worked with the songwriter of YCMI, Dave McGerty, who was a security guard at the Vickers establishment. Come to think of it, it was me who put D McG in touvh with Goldmine to get the record reissued, did I get a thank you, did I b*llocks the local newspaper clip may be up here somewhere ? defintely a recent photo of them reformed in the gallery
Guest julesp1905 Posted December 14, 2008 Posted December 14, 2008 Thats a true story but the figures are wrong, I don't think he got any OIAM which would make sense seeing as it never got into the shops but he did get a few YCMI. My mate Gary White got me one using the same method, though he did live in Barrow. He actually worked with the songwriter of YCMI, Dave McGerty, who was a security guard at the Vickers establishment. Come to think of it, it was me who put D McG in touvh with Goldmine to get the record reissued, did I get a thank you, did I b*llocks Almost certain he got some OIAM Demos, Think he claimed he was a band member after his recording's which is why there was a front page story about the scam he was pulling.
Anoraks Corner Posted December 15, 2008 Posted December 15, 2008 I may have mentioned it before (or was it on RareSoulForum.com?), that there is also an original acetate of the Chapter 5's backing track of OIAM, but with Kenny Bernard singing the song! The link is that they had the same manager (or was it producer - been a while since I checked!) at the time. A right thumping version it makes too, but still not as good as MaxineB, naturally!
Pete S Posted December 15, 2008 Author Posted December 15, 2008 Almost certain he got some OIAM Demos, Think he claimed he was a band member after his recording's which is why there was a front page story about the scam he was pulling. I've got the article - well maybe I haven't actually still got the original I but I did print it and I've got a copy of the magazine I printed it in - and it just explains that the record has been 'discovered' by someone from kent and now everyone is looking for a copy, and it shows a battered no centre copy of the record
Pete S Posted December 15, 2008 Author Posted December 15, 2008 I may have mentioned it before (or was it on RareSoulForum.com?), that there is also an original acetate of the Chapter 5's backing track of OIAM, but with Kenny Bernard singing the song! The link is that they had the same manager (or was it producer - been a while since I checked!) at the time. A right thumping version it makes too, but still not as good as MaxineB, naturally! I heard you play it at Brighton Dave - it was a great version - the link being Mervyn Conn the manager
burt weedon Posted May 10, 2009 Posted May 10, 2009 There's an interesting story behind this one. Back in 1991 I was running a magazine called Beatin Rhythm and was also at the peak of my UK label collecting phase, and I was contacted by this chap John Ritson who was the original lead singer of Chapter Five. He was after a copy of One In A Million, which I had, but didn't want to part with really. Anyway he sent me lots of great cuttings and we had a good chat and one of the things he told me was that the band's manager, the apparently aptly named Mervyn Conn, had asked him to leave the band and go solo and call himself John St. John. This suggestion didn't go down too well and the band stayed together for a while longer and then split. Anyway a couple of years ago, to my and several other peoples astonishment, a German copy of You Can't Mean It backed with One In A Million was turned up, complete with picture sleeve and credited to John St. John! At the weekend I was browsing Ebay and lo and behold, there's another copy of John St. John but this time on an Italian label called GTA records. It was described as VG- with a small edge crack but I thought I'd go for it anyway. So I won it at £118 (I bid £350) and I've now got it and not only does it play near mint with no sound from the crack, the sound quality is unbelievable, it's better than the UK CBS copy (which I also have). Note that they've mixed the composers up too. The point of all this is - I've had hundreds and hundreds of rare records over the years, going up to £2500 on one thing I sold, but I rate this particular record as being up amongst the rarest of them all. How many copies are known? Can't be that many. And I know it's a love or hate record but I absolutely love it! Hi pete. cud you ,tell me woy Don Gardner.my baby likes to boogaloo.(tru-glo-town) costs. thanks;burt.(hicky)
Pete S Posted May 10, 2009 Author Posted May 10, 2009 Hi pete. cud you ,tell me woy Don Gardner.my baby likes to boogaloo.(tru-glo-town) costs. thanks;burt.(hicky) Went a bit mad a few years back but now should be £30 or so
Jim Elliott Posted May 10, 2009 Posted May 10, 2009 (edited) Always remember back in the late 80's the aptly named Lee Bates from Kent placed an ad in the local Barrow in Furness paper looking for a copy of Both Chapter 5 Singles, think he got 5 copies of YCMI and 8 OIAM before the said local rag run a story detailing the value of the records and the offers then ran out. Lee got 5 copies of YCMI. ( Well, thats the laugh we always have about it anyway, eh mate?) Chemicals?? Edited May 11, 2009 by Jim Elliott
dthedrug Posted May 10, 2009 Posted May 10, 2009 There's an interesting story behind this one. Back in 1991 I was running a magazine called Beatin Rhythm and was also at the peak of my UK label collecting phase, and I was contacted by this chap John Ritson who was the original lead singer of Chapter Five. He was after a copy of One In A Million, which I had, but didn't want to part with really. Anyway he sent me lots of great cuttings and we had a good chat and one of the things he told me was that the band's manager, the apparently aptly named Mervyn Conn, had asked him to leave the band and go solo and call himself John St. John. This suggestion didn't go down too well and the band stayed together for a while longer and then split. Anyway a couple of years ago, to my and several other peoples astonishment, a German copy of You Can't Mean It backed with One In A Million was turned up, complete with picture sleeve and credited to John St. John! At the weekend I was browsing Ebay and lo and behold, there's another copy of John St. John but this time on an Italian label called GTA records. It was described as VG- with a small edge crack but I thought I'd go for it anyway. So I won it at £118 (I bid £350) and I've now got it and not only does it play near mint with no sound from the crack, the sound quality is unbelievable, it's better than the UK CBS copy (which I also have). Note that they've mixed the composers up too. The point of all this is - I've had hundreds and hundreds of rare records over the years, going up to £2500 on one thing I sold, but I rate this particular record as being up amongst the rarest of them all. How many copies are known? Can't be that many. And I know it's a love or hate record but I absolutely love it! Hi Pete as a UK collector I know you have had a UK demo of this.( IT LOOKS LIKE ROCKING HORES SHIT WOULD I BE CORRECT IN THIS ASUPTION) DAVE KIL
burt weedon Posted May 11, 2009 Posted May 11, 2009 Went a bit mad a few years back but now should be £30 or so cheers mate,sos just managed to sit down,wot about this;found out ov one of me box,s;
burt weedon Posted May 11, 2009 Posted May 11, 2009 cheers mate,sos just managed to sit down,wot about this;found out ov one of me box,s; found these as well;wiv this bag from about 79 i tink..ha.
Pete S Posted May 11, 2009 Author Posted May 11, 2009 You need to find the macro button on your camera so you can proper close ups - is that hesitations on the Kapp label from Holland? Very nice. Not sure about the Thompson Twins picture disc though
Jim G Posted May 11, 2009 Posted May 11, 2009 Uk Demo on Ebay https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Chapter-Five-You-Can...%3A1%7C294%3A50
burt weedon Posted May 11, 2009 Posted May 11, 2009 found these as well;wiv this bag from about 79 i tink..ha. yeah sos pete,aint too gud at this bloody pc eeva.its a dutch,copy,woz in sealed bag etc.ill try n work macro etc out.ive got a lot ov other stuff,few thousand i bought few yrs back.just started gettin out me lock ups.;;;it woz barcley james-harvest as well..cheers m8 x.
Lee Bates Posted May 11, 2009 Posted May 11, 2009 Almost certain he got some OIAM Demos, Think he claimed he was a band member after his recording's which is why there was a front page story about the scam he was pulling. Well Jules, dont believe all that you hear....I infact only got 5 copys of "You can't mean it" one of which still sits in my collection, the rest are long gone. No "One in a million" demos. And as for being a band member... lolol a 38 year old Kentish one...no, where the hell did that come from? Actually I never saw the article but would be keen on seeing it if anybody has a copy.
Lee Bates Posted May 11, 2009 Posted May 11, 2009 Lee got 5 copies of YCMI. ( Well, thats the laugh we always have about it anyway, eh mate?) Chemicals?? I did indeed Mr Elliott....always laugh about the fact that when Jim and I were at the 100 Club some waster offered to do an exchange for "chemicals" for a copy :wanker: . No ta and I wasnt even wearing a lab coat!
Pete S Posted May 12, 2009 Author Posted May 12, 2009 Uk Demo on Ebay https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Chapter-Five-You-Can...%3A1%7C294%3A50 Got a feeling thats going to cost me an awful lot of money - outbid at £444 !
Samplat Posted May 12, 2009 Posted May 12, 2009 Pete, don't keep upping the amount i'll have to pay. I'll let you have your old issue back instead
Benji Posted May 12, 2009 Posted May 12, 2009 I still think my german picture sleeve copy looks much much better than either the UK or the italian one...
Pete S Posted May 12, 2009 Author Posted May 12, 2009 Pete, don't keep upping the amount i'll have to pay. I'll let you have your old issue back instead Seriously? I've got an issue though..
Sheldonsoul Posted May 12, 2009 Posted May 12, 2009 Seriously? I've got an issue though.. i was the first bidder on ebay copy you must have outbid me sat lunchtime pete, you say you have an issue for sale
Samplat Posted May 12, 2009 Posted May 12, 2009 i was the first bidder on ebay copy you must have outbid me sat lunchtime pete, you say you have an issue for sale if i win the demo then i will have an issue for sale.
Pete S Posted May 12, 2009 Author Posted May 12, 2009 if i win the demo then i will have an issue for sale. If I win the demo then I will also have an issue for sale
Samplat Posted May 12, 2009 Posted May 12, 2009 If I win the demo then I will also have an issue for sale this could get silly pete
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