Guest fuzzyjon Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 Hello.... I'm just wondering why Jackie Wilson's 'Because of You' 7" is so hard to come across for a cheapish price? Is it simply because it's a current biggie or are there other reasons behind it (e.g. was it only pressed in small quantities for some reason?)..... Just curious because a) I want it! and It seems to be slap bang in the middle of discography and there seems no obvious reason why that 7" would be pressed in any less quantity than his others on Brunswick.... Cheers Jon Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
bri pinch Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 NOT A RARE RECORD AT ALL. IT ACTUALLY MADE THE BOTTOM END OF THE SOUL CHARTS IN THE USA IN 1973, THERES ISSUES AND DEMOS OF IT. IT PROBABLY SELLS FOR A BIT MORE BECAUSE ITS BEEN HIS MOST IN DEMAND RECORD OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS OR SO. BEFORE THEN IT SOLD FOR THE SAME PRICE AS ALL OF THE OTHER JW DISCS. BRI PINCH Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sean Hampsey Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 Demand has been high for nearly 20 years. Supply was never great - It sold very few when first pressed (in comparison to many of his 'hits'). When demand subsides - the price will reduce accordingly. Sean Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sean Hampsey Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 BEFORE THEN IT SOLD FOR THE SAME PRICE AS ALL OF THE OTHER JW DISCS. BRI PINCH True Bri... About 25 cents! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
bri pinch Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 YOUR BEST BET IS PROBABLY EBAY THERE'S ONE ON THERE EVERY OTHER WEEK . BRI PINCH SUNDAY CHILLOUT, 14TH DECEMBER, HORSE AND GROOM PUB, EAST LAITH GATE, DONCASTER. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
bri pinch Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 Demand has been high for nearly 20 years. Supply was never great - It sold very few when first pressed (in comparison to many of his 'hits'). When demand subsides - the price will reduce accordingly. Sean OF ALL OF THE 45S JW ISSUE BETWEEN 73 AND 75, IVE LEARNED ABOUT LIFE, WHAT YOU GONNA DO ABOUT LOVE AND THE LIKE. BECAUSE OF YOU WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT ACTUALLY CHARTED IN THE USA. IVE NEVER FOUND IT A PARTICULARLY TOUGH RECORD TO FIND, CERTAINLY NO TOUGHER THAN ANY OF HIS OTHER 70TS 45S, WITH THE EXEPTION OF THIS LOVE IS REAL. BRI PINCH. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mike E Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 Hello.... I'm just wondering why Jackie Wilson's 'Because of You' 7" is so hard to come across for a cheapish price? Is it simply because it's a current biggie or are there other reasons behind it (e.g. was it only pressed in small quantities for some reason?)..... Just curious because a) I want it! and It seems to be slap bang in the middle of discography and there seems no obvious reason why that 7" would be pressed in any less quantity than his others on Brunswick.... Cheers Jon Should not be hard to get hold of. Try Ebay or Gemm. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest fuzzyjon Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 Oh good!!! I'm glad it's easy to come by, it's just that whenever I seem to look on eBay & Gemm it's never there! The only one on Gemm at the mo is a Manship one at £100 + and the only one on eBay is a reissue.... but I'll keep looking! Cheers for the info everyone. Jon Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mike E Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 Oh good!!! I'm glad it's easy to come by, it's just that whenever I seem to look on eBay & Gemm it's never there! The only one on Gemm at the mo is a Manship one at £100 + and the only one on eBay is a reissue.... but I'll keep looking! Cheers for the info everyone. Jon Just looked at the price guides. Not realised it gone up in price to that extent. Think I better hang onto mine. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sean Hampsey Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 OF ALL OF THE 45S JW ISSUE BETWEEN 73 AND 75, IVE LEARNED ABOUT LIFE, WHAT YOU GONNA DO ABOUT LOVE AND THE LIKE. BECAUSE OF YOU WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT ACTUALLY CHARTED IN THE USA. IVE NEVER FOUND IT A PARTICULARLY TOUGH RECORD TO FIND, CERTAINLY NO TOUGHER THAN ANY OF HIS OTHER 70TS 45S, WITH THE EXEPTION OF THIS LOVE IS REAL. BRI PINCH. Interesting. I bought most of those tracks as new releases (or soon after release during the 70's) - all as cheap and as common as the proverbial - yet I never even heard "Because Of You" until the mid-late 80's! Not saying its rare - I've got a Black issue and a White Demo - but for the reasons I stated, an original is bound to be less common than other JW 'hits' as it sold so few in comparison. Worth remembering that it was 'done' recently with "My Heart Is Calling" on the flip. One would have thought that might have had a slight cooling off effect on demand. Sean Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Prophonics 2029 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 (edited) So price wise a demo 100 and an issue 65 still. Edited November 17, 2008 by Prophonics 2029 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jim Elliott Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 I've always thought it suffered a bit like Walter (let me come back) in that it wasn't rare just a toughie to get your mits on. Get the 'Beautiful Day' album instead, bliss from start to finish and you'll still have enough for the bus home. Regards Jim Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sunnysoul Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 (edited) Well said Jim, The Beautiful Day LP is one of the great soul LPs from the early 70's, from start to finish, and was very much the brilliant work of Jeff Perry (AKA Jeffree) of Love Dont Come No Stronger and Mr Fixit fame, who at that time was an aspiring songwriter trying to make it. The LP has other dancers that are even better then the wonderful 'Because of You', notably "This Love Is Mine", and some beautiful soul ballads including the title track, which a certain Brack Obama could I'm sure use as a theme tune .... Edited November 19, 2008 by sunnysoul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
boba Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 on the northern soul market, there is a frequent difference between price and rarity Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 (edited) on the northern soul market, there is a frequent difference between price and rarity thats so true bob.As our bri says it made no 47 on the rnb charts where as his other 45s around that time never charted at all. its a strange one alright dave Edited November 17, 2008 by dave pinch Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Reforee Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Every Jackie Wilson record should be £100+, IMO the best male soul singer to of ever walked the planet. The Man In Black Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Beeks Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 If this scene judged their records on class alone...this would be the biggest ticket record around Price is relative...but this record is priceless IMO Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Beeks Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 (edited) double post Edited November 17, 2008 by Beeks Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
JOE TORQUAY Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 YOU COULD ALWAYS LOOK OUT FOR THIS RE-ISSUE WAX MUSEUM 4619 # JACKIE WILSON # BECAUSE OF YOU / SHE DONE ME WRONG JOE. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jules Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Every Jackie Wilson record should be £100+, IMO the best male soul singer to of ever walked the planet. The Man In Black Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
jocko Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Well said Jim, The Beautiful Day LP is one of the great soul LPs from the early 70's, from start to finish, and was very much the brilliant work of Jeff Perry (AKA Jeffree) of Love Dont Come No Stronger and Mr Fixit fame, who at that time was an aspiring songwriter trying to make it. The LP has other dancers that are even better then the wonderful 'Because of You', notably "This Love Is Mine", and some beautiful soul ballads including the title track, which sa certain Brack Obama could I'm sure use as a theme tune .... Thirded, this is one of my favourite LP's of all time. This track was a monster back at Shotts, thats about 20 years ago and it probably still gets played out, several times I would imagine, every weekend, quite amazing when you think of it, in both a bad way and a good way I suppose! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest andyrattigan Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 I've always thought it suffered a bit like Walter (let me come back) in that it wasn't rare just a toughie to get your mits on. Get the 'Beautiful Day' album instead, bliss from start to finish and you'll still have enough for the bus home. Regards Jim I had the album myself but sold it. Its cheap buy at about £20. However, owning original albums of tracks that are out on 45 is cheating according to the '45 only fraternity' if you ever try and DJ with them. Personally, although I love 'Because of You' I think the £10 45 'You left the Fire Burning' or the album only track 'My Heart is Calling' are far far superior Jackie tracks as is 'Try it again'. He's my favourite vocalist ever. Sheer effortless singer. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Beeks Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 The only problem I ever had with 'Because Of You is the line 'Just like a mother...you took me in' Just makes it a little inbred...if she is indeed the love of his life...why is he comparing her to his/a mother? Plain Wrong Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sean Hampsey Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 The only problem I ever had with 'Because Of You is the line 'Just like a mother...you took me in' Just makes it a little inbred...if she is indeed the love of his life...why is he comparing her to his/a mother? Plain Wrong Its not his Mother he's referring to, Beeks. It's her Mother. It's his way of telling her... that he's been seeing her Mum! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
SteveM Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Its not his Mother he's referring to, Beeks. It's her Mother. It's his way of telling her... that he's been seeing her Mum! Nah Nah Sean, Beeks (Bicks ? still confused ) should know this coming from Lancashire, Mother - Girlfriend. Simple really Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
pikeys dog Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Nah Nah Sean, Beeks (Bicks ? still confused ) should know this coming from Lancashire, Mother - Girlfriend. Simple really I believe Beeks is actually from North Wales. Read into that what you will. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Beeks Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 I believe Beeks is actually from North Wales. Read into that what you will. Steady Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest D'Arcy Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 I believe Beeks is actually from North Wales. Read into that what you will. What do the Welsh call a sheep tied to a lamp post???? A leisure centre. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest D'Arcy Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 I had the album myself but sold it. Its cheap buy at about £20. However, owning original albums of tracks that are out on 45 is cheating according to the '45 only fraternity' if you ever try and DJ with them. Personally, although I love 'Because of You' I think the £10 45 'You left the Fire Burning' or the album only track 'My Heart is Calling' are far far superior Jackie tracks as is 'Try it again'. He's my favourite vocalist ever. Sheer effortless singer. Agree with everything you say there Andy, I love "Just be sincere" and "You got me walking " too. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 (edited) Oh good!!! I'm glad it's easy to come by, it's just that whenever I seem to look on eBay & Gemm it's never there! The only one on Gemm at the mo is a Manship one at £100 + and the only one on eBay is a reissue.... but I'll keep looking! Cheers for the info everyone TROUBLE IS ONCE A DEALER PUTS THE PRICE UP THEY ALL FOLLOW SUIT Edited November 23, 2008 by dave pinch Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
kevinsoulman Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 (edited) white demo on ebay at the mo $6.75 start kev Edited November 23, 2008 by kevinsoulman Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sean Hampsey Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 THAT SHOCKS ME TO THE CORE SEAN. I THOUGHT YOU WOULD HAVE HAD THE LP EARLY DOORS DAVE I'm full of surprises Dave . What you might find even more shocking is I was with Kev Briscoe & John Benson at the time Rod Dearlove played it at Thorne and they didn't know it either! That must have been around 1989(?)...! Just goes to show, none of us know it all. Sean Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
bri pinch Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 I'm full of surprises Dave . What you might find even more shocking is I was with Kev Briscoe & John Benson at the time Rod Dearlove played it at Thorne and they didn't know it either! That must have been around 1989(?)...! Just goes to show, none of us know it all. Sean JUST GOES TO SHOW THAT MOST OF US ARE CHASIN THE NEXT BIG ILLUSIVE OBSCURITY AND DON'T LOOK AT THE THINGS IN FRONT OF US HALF THE TIME .LOOKING FORWARD TO SAT'DY AT T' FRIENDSHIP/KINGSTONE . BRI PINCH. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
John Benson Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 I'm full of surprises Dave . What you might find even more shocking is I was with Kev Briscoe & John Benson at the time Rod Dearlove played it at Thorne and they didn't know it either! That must have been around 1989(?)...! Just goes to show, none of us know it all. Sean But in my defence (your honour)... I had seen it mentioned on the odd playlists prior to then and did have the LP - just hadn't gotten around to having a listen to it! No smart comments about having too many records etc. either! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
bri pinch Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 But in my defence (your honour)... I had seen it mentioned on the odd playlists prior to then and did have the LP - just hadn't gotten around to having a listen to it! No smart comments about having too many records etc. either! YOU CUMMIN TO KINSTONE ON SAT JOHN . Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sean Hampsey Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 JUST GOES TO SHOW THAT MOST OF US ARE CHASIN THE NEXT BIG ILLUSIVE OBSCURITY AND DON'T LOOK AT THE THINGS IN FRONT OF US HALF THE TIME .LOOKING FORWARD TO SAT'DY AT T' FRIENDSHIP/KINGSTONE . BRI PINCH. Very much looking forward to it Bri. Sure we'll all hear something different on that night! Sean Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sean Hampsey Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 But in my defence (your honour)... I had seen it mentioned on the odd playlists prior to then and did have the LP - just hadn't gotten around to having a listen to it! No smart comments about having too many records etc. either! Think I had the LP too John, at the same time, but like you hadn't played (or properly listened to) that track. I was right though wasn't I! I well remember the 3 of us looking blank at each other when Rod first played it there. Am still waiting to hear my JW tip from yesteryear - "What A Lovely Way" - played out! Might even give it a run out on Friday. Mmmmmmmm So are you going? Might even get the other boys out to play with it being a fairly local gig! Sean Oh... and you DO have far to many records and can't possibly know em all. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 But in my defence (your honour)... I had seen it mentioned on the odd playlists prior to then and did have the LP - just hadn't gotten around to having a listen to it! No smart comments about having too many records etc. either! you got too many gil scott heron records and need to be relieved of one immediatly dave Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Cover-up Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 I've always wondered if there was an unreleased Barbara Acklin or Erma Franklin cut of "Because Of You"... Seems like much of Brunswick's output had 3 versions - male vocal, female vocal, Young Holt instrumental. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
John Benson Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 Think I had the LP too John, at the same time, but like you hadn't played (or properly listened to) that track. I was right though wasn't I! I well remember the 3 of us looking blank at each other when Rod first played it there. Am still waiting to hear my JW tip from yesteryear - "What A Lovely Way" - played out! Might even give it a run out on Friday. Mmmmmmmm So are you going? Might even get the other boys out to play with it being a fairly local gig! Sean Oh... and you DO have far to many records and can't possibly know em all. The other side's not too shabby either! "You Left The Fire Burning" - Another quality double sider from the Man himself Yep, I might just be there on Saturday, so you better behave yourself! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sean Hampsey Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 Yep, I might just be there on Saturday, so you better behave yourself! If you see someone, who looks like me, behaving himself, John... ...then its definitely not me! Will be good to see you old timer! Sean Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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