Jackie Wilson Was Terrible

[jonbuck]

Well he wasn't that bad really, we went to see him @ Wigan Casino 14th June 1975, there was a crowd standing next to us shouting out all the time " What About Blue Skies" & you have guessed it he didn't sing it. @ the end of his show, People rushed up on the stage, Straight past Jackie Wilson up to the Sax player as he stole the show, Other Shit performers @ Wigan was Billy Butler of Right Track fame after 15 min Everyone was sitting done on the floor slow hand clapping....Betty Wright was the Bollocks she tore the roof of the place....No doubt I will upset a few People with this but it is the TRUTH.....

Keep @ It

Jon Buck

Edited April 22, 2005 by jonbuck

[jonbuck]

I used to have a tape of the show that Jackie Wilson done @ Wigan, Sadly I don't have one for Myself, Sold a few though, & as per usual the original has dissapeared....

Bucky

[Simsy]

I will upset a few People with this but it is the TRUTH.....

Keep @ It

Jon Buck

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:angry: Bit harsh Jon, Jackie had a fantastic voice, been around since mid fifties, Elvis loved him & so did I.

Edited April 22, 2005 by Ian Sims

[jonbuck]

:angry: Bit harsh Jon, Jackie had a fantastic voice, been around since mid fifties, Elvis loved him & so did I.

He was Brilliant,Yes.... but @ Wigan on that day he Just did not do it.... Not that I can compare it with other performance's that.... I Like Martha Reeves's Records But I don't like hearing her sing live....

This Will Go On & On

Jon Buck

[Simsy]

Take your word one that one. Didn't see that performance, must have been an off day, feeling unwell maybe? Purple patch. See the angle though, this is like Baddiel & Skinner on Fantasy Football when they did their Pele is shit sketch, using clips where he missed, or was wildly off target .... But overall - - - Nuff said

[Guest]

JW is and always will be the greatest IMHO!!!!!!!!!!

Have heard that he was apparently very sick when he did Wigan!!!

John

[jonbuck]

In reflection it must be said that not long after this concert he went into a coma that he never recovered from....So as sad as it may be this probably was one of his last show's....But you noticed that after he died every male black performer was laying claim to have grown up on some street corner or other claiming to have been Jackie Wilson's best Buddie....

Keep @ It

Jon Buck

Edited April 22, 2005 by jonbuck

[Guest]

I've mentioned this on here before, but Les Hare told me he saw Jackie Wilson in Manchester early 70's and it was half and half Soulies and Teddy Boys......

[Simsy]

JW is and always will be the greatest IMHO!!!!!!!!!!

John

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Second (one of the greatest)

[jonbuck]

Did the Teddy Boy's Get there Hair style Fom Jackie Wilson ???? Or Jackie Wilson get it from the Teddy Boys.......

Jon Buck

Edited April 22, 2005 by jonbuck

[Guest]

Second   (one of the greatest)

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Agreed

[Guest]

Well he wasn't that bad really, we went to see him @ Wigan Casino 14th June 1975, there was a crowd standing next to us shouting out all the time " What About Blue Skies" & you have guessed it he didn't sing it. @ the end of his show, People rushed up on the stage, Straight past Jackie Wilson up to the Sax player as he stole the show, Other Shit performers @ Wigan  was Billy Butler of Right Track fame after 15 min Everyone was sitting done on the floor slow hand clapping....Betty Wright was the Bollocks she tore the roof of the place....No doubt I will upset a few People with this but it is the TRUTH.....

Keep @ It

Jon Buck

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IMHO a good singer can have a bad day, but a bad singer can never have a good day.

dave

[chrissie]

IMHO  a good singer can have a bad day, but a bad singer can never have a good day.

dave

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Bloody hell dave that was a bit deep and profound for you

lol

QOF

XX

[jonbuck]

Yes

[Guest Andy BB]

Oh!

Saw the thread title and honestly THANK GOD I'M NOT ALONE!

Seems I still may be.

But in my oh-so-undervalued opinion he is completely and criminally overrated.

He sounds like a cabaret singer who's spent all of his formative years in a Swiss finishing school undergoing intensive elocution lessons.

[Bigsoulman]

Agreed 

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100% right!, the man's soul output was genius

[Chalky]

Know where you are coming from Jon. Have seen some "great" artists over the years but some when in the flesh so to speak just don't live up to their vinyl recordings.

I'm currently reading the Jackie Wilson autobiography, it says inn there from those on tour with him that his concerts rarely change, the same 10 or 12 tracks all the time with maybe the odd change or addition here and there...maybe did the same for Wigan?

[Simsy]

Oh!

Saw the thread title and honestly THANK GOD I'M NOT ALONE!

Seems I still may be.

But in my oh-so-undervalued opinion he is completely and criminally overrated.

He sounds like a cabaret singer who's spent all of his formative years in a Swiss finishing school undergoing intensive elocution lessons.

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Andy, how you can say that mate, I just don't know. I would rate Jackie in the top three soul singers of all time along with Otis and Sam Cooke. Maybe Solomon Burke in Fourth. Just quality vocal, showman, dancer - he had it all and was a pioneer. Would be interested to hear your top three, if you have faves that is.

[Chalky]

Oh!

Saw the thread title and honestly THANK GOD I'M NOT ALONE!

Seems I still may be.

But in my oh-so-undervalued opinion he is completely and criminally overrated.

He sounds like a cabaret singer who's spent all of his formative years in a Swiss finishing school undergoing intensive elocution lessons.

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Andy, how you can say that mate, I just don't know.  I would rate Jackie in the top three soul singers of all time along with Otis and Sam Cooke.  Maybe Solomon Burke in Fourth.  Just quality vocal, showman, dancer - he had it all and was a pioneer.  Would be interested to hear your top three, if you have faves that is.

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Gotta agree with you Ian about JW being top three. No one could hit the notes he could. There's a cd of his "Uptown & Upnorth" on Westside and it's class!!!

As for the other two, personally think Otis isn't all he's cracked up to be and Sam Cooke a little too MOR in a fair bit of his outp[ut for my liking (cracking read his autobiography though). Roy Hamilton has to be up there, Chuck Jackson class act......

[Simsy]

Roy Hamilton has to be up there, Chuck Jackson class act......

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[Guest Andy BB]

Andy, how you can say that mate, I just don't know.  I would rate Jackie in the top three soul singers of all time along with Otis and Sam Cooke.  Maybe Solomon Burke in Fourth.  Just quality vocal, showman, dancer - he had it all and was a pioneer.  Would be interested to hear your top three, if you have faves that is.

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Like I said, always found myself alone on this point of view.

Just can't stand his 'accent' if that makes sense. The diction and the inflection, too polished, too posh. Not saying he hasn't done great stuff Whispers for example but then something Am I The Man winds me up, and stuff like Here Comes the Night sounds really bad to my ears.

Hard to line anyone up for comparison but I can't see how he stacks up against Marvin Gaye, David Ruffin or Edwin Starr for example

I must point out that my favourite non-Soul voices are Billy Bragg, Noel Gallagher and Bob Dylan... Perhaps there's a problem with my ears.

[Simsy]

Hard to line anyone up for comparison but I can't see how he stacks up against Marvin Gaye, David Ruffin or Edwin Starr for example

I must point out that my favourite non-Soul voices are Billy Bragg, Noel Gallagher and Bob Dylan... Perhaps there's a problem with my ears.

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Marvin Gaye, David Ruffin or Edwin Starr. Nice selection was interested to know. Marvin #1 best selling male artist on Motown. David Ruffin, lead of best selling male group on Motown. Edwin ... say no more

[Rbman]

I was at Wigan that night and I thought JW was le ballon de chein.....funny thing is that my fave JW tune is Nothing But Blue Skies and that is why we have called our soul night "Blue Skies Soul Club".......My first trip to Wigan had Major Lance live...anybody know the date?...I saw Kenny B at the Valatone the other month and he new the date off his head...nice guy.....sorry i'm pissed......

[Scallybob]

Jackie Wilson was very ill the night he played Wigan. I was surprised at how frail he looked. I have spoken to several people who met him back stage and all said he wasn't well.

Shortly after that he went into a coma and never recovered.

Incidentally they played a benefit gig for him in Chicago (to help with hospital bills) and the main act was the Clash who did it for free. Apparently their appearance made the place sell out. It was rumoured that several soul acts "couldn't find the time" to appear.

[Iancsloft]

True when Jackie appeared at Wigan he was,nt well, I met Jackie when he was

at The Carlton Club in Warrington around 71 ?i think, he was a true gent and spent

time talking to me even bought me a drink when i offered him one

Without a shadow of a doubt Jackie Wilson was one of the greatest vocalist and performers of all time his 60,s recordings have stood the test of time and his voice

still sends shivers down my spine every time I hear him sing , when Jackie passed

away the world became a sadder place !

Jackie Wilson was along with Sam Cooke and Otis Redding icons of Black America

and in my opinion responsible for many more Kids takin up singing hoping to

become the next J.W S.C O.R........................................

We should be thankful that at least we saw Jackie in the flesh willing to sing his heart & soul out to us kids here in the U.K even tho when he appeared at Wigan

he was,nt well but still went on stage to try his best !!!!!!!!!!!!

THANKS JACKIE !

[Simsy]

True when Jackie appeared at Wigan he was,nt well, I met Jackie when he was

at The Carlton Club in Warrington around 71 ?i think, he was a true gent and spent

time talking to me even bought me a drink when i offered him one

Without a shadow of a doubt Jackie Wilson was one of the greatest vocalist and performers of all time his 60,s recordings have stood the test of time and his voice

still sends shivers down my spine every time I hear him sing , when Jackie passed

away the world became a sadder place !

Jackie Wilson was along with Sam Cooke and Otis Redding icons of Black America

and in my opinion responsible for many more Kids takin up singing hoping to

become the next J.W S.C O.R........................................

We should be thankful that at least we saw Jackie in the flesh willing to sing his heart & soul out to us kids here in the U.K even tho when he appeared at Wigan

he was,nt well but still went on stage to try his best !!!!!!!!!!!!

THANKS JACKIE !

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Wow! Hats off to you Ian, what an admirable post.

[slimharpo]

Gotta agree with you Ian about JW being top three. No one could hit the notes he could. There's a cd of his "Uptown & Upnorth" on Westside and it's class!!!

As for the other two, personally think Otis isn't all he's cracked up to be and Sam Cooke a little too MOR in a fair bit of his outp[ut for my liking (cracking read his autobiography though). Roy Hamilton has to be up there, Chuck Jackson class act......

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[/i saw JW twice, once in Chester and another time in St Asaph! I've got his autograph on an ep. He was a very nice guy but I have to agree his shows lacked excitement however his records from the 50s until he dies were mostly top class IMO. There was nobody who could sing as many different styles as he could, even operatic. As for Otis Redding, I saw him at the Liverpool Empire a few months before he was killed. He was something else. His performance was awesome and far outshone what he put down on record.quote]