The Emperor's New Clothes - Rare, But

[Guest Baz]

Take a listen to Frank Wilson and imagine you've never heard it before....it'll sound like the best record ever made...it's utterly brilliant as a northern soul record

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true it has got some cridentials, i suppose it is because im sick of hearing it that i think its crap now

[Guest in town Mikey]

I think the original point was expensive records that arent as good as the price suggests.

I love Jackie Day - Naughty boy, but given the price for that or a fiver say for Bobby Hebb - Love love love, I'd buy Bobby.

But if the Professionals - That's why I love you; was 50p I would rather buy a bag of out of date salt and vinegar crisps.

[Garethx]

I agree that Mojo Man by Nelson Sanders is an acquired taste, but the other side of the record, "I'm Lonely" is surely one of the greatest deep soul obscurities, almost without exception.

Agree with some of the choices here, such as Terri Goodnight. I would like to add a particular hate-object of mine: "I Can Feel Him Slipping Away" by Tobbi Bowe on Patheway. Absolutely dreadful and an unforgiveable play when compared to the major label version by Mamie Lee. An almost definitive case of a record played because of its rarity rather than its quality.

Edited April 22, 2005 by garethx

[Guest hammy]

Frank Wilson is a weak pop soul record. Not crap - but not great.

I've played it to mates who aren't into northern and it normally inspires a fairly indifferent reaction, followed by total bemusement at the price tag.

If we're talking about rarity over quality then surely FW is a prime example and further proof that the scene's unhealthy obsession with rarity over quality didn't start with chinstrokers(sic) and newies in the 80s.

Hammy

[Jim Elliott]

Vondells 'Youve changed' need I say more.

[Citizen P]

Can't stand, Del Larks Job Opening, Bernie Williams version of Ever Again and have always thought FW was an ok effort but never deserved the adulation it received from the off.

But it's probably just me.

Tony

[jocko]

As I sit sipping Darjeeling during my tea break another overrated turkey comes to mind...

Karmello Brooks - Tell Me Baby

Never got the appeal with this one - sounds like the theme tune to 70s/80s series "Tales of the Unexpected"

Hammy

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Ooh another good one, not as bad as the areaplone song drone but even worse than Bob and Freds playschool type dirge, good call Mr Ham, now stop slacking in your new job!!

Of course as someone else said as I should say IMVHO!

Cheers

Jock

[Corbett80]

Lynn Terry - I Got A Good Thing Going - La Salle

Hayes Cotton - Black Wings Have My Angel - Resist

Eddie Bishop - Call Me - ABC

[Guest]

Take a listen to Frank Wilson and imagine you've never heard it before....it'll sound like the best record ever made...it's utterly brilliant as a northern soul record

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Pete,

You must have been on the gas and air early.

Its boring, overated and hyped up.

How can it have ever been voted no 1 Northern record by Kev in his book.

The whole criteria was supposed to be on dance floor reaction. More people danced to this over the years than say 'If thats what you wanted' ? Don't make me laugh. If Kev had never owned it, do you think it would have been 'voted' number one. More chance of Wolves and the Blades reaching the play offs.

Overated at the time, overated now.

The no 1 record IMO is 'Too Late' (and its not one of my favourites)

Rant over, back to the Sheffield thread to talk b*ll*cks

Steve, the voice of reason.

[Pete S]

I agree that Mojo Man by Nelson Sanders is an acquired taste, but the other side of the record, "I'm Lonely" is surely one of the greatest deep soul obscurities, almost without exception.

Agree with some of the choices here, such as Terri Goodnight. I would like to add a particular hate-object of mine: "I Can Feel Him Slipping Away" by Tobbi Bowe on Patheway. Absolutely dreadful and an unforgiveable play when compared to the major label version by Mamie Lee. An almost definitive case of a record played because of its rarity rather than its quality.

link

Yee-haw, we agree on something at last! Tobi Bowe

[Guest]

But if the Professionals - That's why I love you; was 50p I would rather buy a bag of out of date salt and vinegar crisps.

Mikey Mikey

[Guest]

Frank Wilson is a weak pop soul record. Not crap - but not great.

I've played it to mates who aren't into northern and it normally inspires a fairly indifferent reaction, followed by total bemusement at the price tag. 

If we're talking about rarity over quality then surely FW is a prime example and further proof that the scene's unhealthy obsession with rarity over quality didn't start with chinstrokers(sic) and newies in the 80s.

Hammy

link

[Pete S]

Frank Wilson is a weak pop soul record. Not crap - but not great.

link

You're going to have to apply that to every Motown record then.

[Pete S]

Pete,

You must have been on the gas and air early.

Its boring, overated and hyped up.

How can it have ever been voted no 1 Northern record by Kev in his book.

The whole criteria was supposed to be on dance floor reaction. More people danced to this over the years than say 'If thats what you wanted' ?  Don't make me laugh. If Kev had never owned it, do you think it would have been 'voted' number one. More chance of Wolves and the Blades reaching the play offs.

Overated at the time, overated now.

The no 1 record IMO is 'Too Late' (and its not one of my favourites)

Rant over, back to the Sheffield thread to talk b*ll*cks

Steve, the voice of reason. 

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Maybe you needed to be there when it was spun for the first time, the three or four weeks before it got pressed. It's not even one of my top 100 but to say it's boring, you lot have got a f*cking screw loose, what exactly do you want from your Northern Soul records?

[Guest]

Maybe you needed to be there when it was spun for the first time, the three or four weeks before it got pressed.  It's not even one of my top 100 but to say it's boring, you lot have got a f*cking screw loose, what exactly do you want from your Northern Soul records?

link

A little bit more reggie and scar influence

Pete, its boring because its repetitive mate. IMO

Steve

[Pete S]

A little bit more reggie and scar influence

Pete, its boring because its repetitive mate. IMO

Steve

link

Anything's repetitive when you've heard them thousands of times but I still think if you take it on it's own, without anything to do with prices or overplays or whatever, it's got everything.

Someone back me up for f*cks sake.

[Godzilla]

Anything's repetitive when you've heard them thousands of times but I still think if you take it on it's own, without anything to do with prices or overplays or whatever, it's got everything.

Someone back me up for f*cks sake.

link

Backed up.

It's easy to be elitest now that the world and his dog know it but it craps over lots of the unreleased Motown that gets raved about.

I could happily never hear it out again but that doesn't mean it's not a great record.

You need to ask why when newcomers first get to hear Northern Soul stuff it makes such an impact.

Godz

[Guest Kill_a_pig]

Seconded.

WOOF!

link

Thirded(!)?

[Guest alison]

Anything's repetitive when you've heard them thousands of times but I still think if you take it on it's own, without anything to do with prices or overplays or whatever, it's got everything.

Someone back me up for f*cks sake.

link

It was absolutely right for it's time Pete, but I would say that tastes seem to be a bit more diverse now, with R&B, modern, mid tempo stuff all being chucked into the pot....so that strong 4 on 4 dance driven singalong sound isn't all thats floating our boats nowadays.

Now take your hands out out your trousers and stop fiddling with it or I'll ring you up and blast some Philly disco down the phone atcha

[Guest]

Backed up.

It's easy to be elitest now that the world and his dog know it but it craps over lots of the unreleased Motown that gets raved about.

I could happily never hear it out again but that doesn't mean it's not a great record.

You need to ask why when newcomers  first get to hear Northern Soul stuff it makes such an impact.

Godz

link

Godz, shouldn't you be destroying cities at this time on a Friday.

Play newcomers Johnny Wyatt, Too Late, Frank Beverley, Temptation Walk.

They will make an impact as well. At a fraction of the price.

People will play it to newcomers on the basis of 'it cost £15000' rather than any fabulous artistic merit. Just to show how elite we are.

Steve

[Marc Forrest]

I know records like George Lemons and Hayes Cotton are not to everybodys liking (but to mine ) but how someone can not like the Professionals, Magnetics, Terry Goodnight , Nelson Sanders and Bernard Williams (nevertheless I would always go for the Gene Woodbury release as it is more to suit my daily financial situation...but I would therefore not call the Bell 45 shite...) is totally beyond me. But then again you can not argue about taste and the variety in it is what makes it all so special anyway.

Beside that I fully back every single word by Hammy. True words. Simply spot on

Marc

Edited April 22, 2005 by Marc Forrest

[Godzilla]

Godz, shouldn't you be destroying cities at this time on a Friday.

Play newcomers Johnny Wyatt, Too Late, Frank Beverley, Temptation Walk.

They will make an impact as well. At a fraction of the price.

People will play it to newcomers on the basis of  'it cost £15000' rather than any fabulous artistic merit. Just to show how elite we are. 

Steve

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Steve, I agree with you about those tunes but I was thinking more about some kids round our way who run a sort of Mod night and it gets played on CD (I only went a few times - it was a bit boring).

FW packed the floor and everyone seemed to love it and I'll bet very few of them new its history.

And Mrs G sez I can't go stompin' till I've done the washing up

Godz

[Guest Baz]

Maybe you needed to be there when it was spun for the first time, the three or four weeks before it got pressed.  It's not even one of my top 100 but to say it's boring, you lot have got a f*cking screw loose, what exactly do you want from your Northern Soul records?

link

a free packet of chocolat chip cookies would be nice

[Pete S]

Play newcomers Johnny Wyatt, Too Late, Frank Beverley, Temptation Walk.

link

But those are just as played out as Frank Wilson.

I can't see the point you're trying to make.

Are you honestly saying that if Frank Wilson was as common as Come See About Me, you still wouldn't think it was a great record?

[Guest Baz]

Godz, shouldn't you be destroying cities at this time on a Friday.

Play newcomers Johnny Wyatt, Too Late, Frank Beverley, Temptation Walk.

They will make an impact as well. At a fraction of the price.

People will play it to newcomers on the basis of  'it cost £15000' rather than any fabulous artistic merit. Just to show how elite we are. 

Steve

link

too late was one of the first i herd and thats what made me go f**k me i need to know more about this kinda music the rest is history

[Guest]

But those are just as played out as Frank Wilson.

I can't see the point you're trying to make.

Are you honestly saying that if Frank Wilson was as common as Come See About Me, you still wouldn't think it was a great record?

link

Pete,

I never said anything about it being played out. I said it was overrated and overhyped. Plenty of better Motown records IMO.

And ' It Really Hurts Me Girl p*sses all over it

Steve

[Guest]

But those are just as played out as Frank Wilson.

I can't see the point you're trying to make.

Are you honestly saying that if Frank Wilson was as common as Come See About Me, you still wouldn't think it was a great record?

link

And it was discovered when a lot of pop records were being played.

[Guest Dan]

But those are just as played out as Frank Wilson.

I can't see the point you're trying to make.

Are you honestly saying that if Frank Wilson was as common as Come See About Me, you still wouldn't think it was a great record?

link

i've always thought the problem with frank wilson is the singing. musically it's brilliant, i love the intro and the tune and beat are great, just think another (ie a proper) singer would have done it better.

but i agree it's a great record overall, very atmospheric and totally 'northern' and if it was discovered today it would be absolutely huge.

by the way, johnny wyatt is a great shout - i think more records with glockenspiels/xylophones in them ought to get played...almost worth a thread on its own

[Tubbs]

Having heard Frank wilson 1000 times i still love it. Another crap overpriced dross 45 antiques go for yourself.

[Godzilla]

i think more records with glockenspiels/xylophones in them ought to get played...almost worth a thread on its own

link

Ding Dong!!!

Godzilla has left the building

[Tubbs]

I know records like George Lemons and Hayes Cotton are not to everybodys liking (but to mine  ) but how someone can not like the Professionals, Magnetics, Terry Goodnight , Nelson Sanders and Bernard Williams (nevertheless I would always go for the Gene Woodbury release as it is more to suit my daily financial situation...but I would therefore not call the Bell 45 shite...) is totally beyond me. But then again you can not argue about taste and the variety in it is what makes it all so special anyway.

Beside that I fully back every single word by Hammy. True words. Simply spot on 

Marc

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Thought i was maybe being a bit harsh on Mr Sanders since i hadn't listened to it for a few years so went and had another listen. I was right the first time it's still fucking overpriced shite.

[Guest hammy]

You're going to have to apply that to every Motown record then.

link

No I don't - I'm just applying it to that one based on the notion that every record is different.

Hammy

[Guest]

I agree that Mojo Man by Nelson Sanders is an acquired taste, but the other side of the record, "I'm Lonely" is surely one of the greatest deep soul obscurities, almost without exception.

Agree with some of the choices here, such as Terri Goodnight. I would like to add a particular hate-object of mine: "I Can Feel Him Slipping Away" by Tobbi Bowe on Patheway. Absolutely dreadful and an unforgiveable play when compared to the major label version by Mamie Lee. An almost definitive case of a record played because of its rarity rather than its quality.

link

Totally agree, Tobbie Bowe is utter crap. Mamie Lee's version ain't much better though, a steaming pile of pop poo IMO. I also agree with what has been said about Lynne Terry (ugh), Antellects (just a weak pop/rock record), Karmello Brooks (cool intro but then it descends into poor and pointless pop that goes nowhere) and many others mentioned really suck, but the Magnetics on Bonnie is a truly brilliant double sider, awesome black male group power. Bernie Williams is good northern IMO. Frank Wilson, a bit poppy and the vocals could have been better but a good and special tune, good melody, atmosphere and then some, a bit old hat though. Proffessionals is totally brilliant, just very overplayed. "I'm Lonely" by Nelson Sanders is pretty good deep, but not THAT good IMO. "Mojo Man" is a bit extreme for many I guess, but i kinda like it for what it is, 60's Detroit heavy metal. The Del Larks is also superb IMO...

Edited April 22, 2005 by Guest

[Guest]

WHAT PEOPLE ON HERE WITH DIFFERENT OPINIONS.......JESUS NEXT SOMEONE WILL SAY I'M SANCTOMONIOUS

[Guest]

Lady in Green - the Magnetics 

link

NOOO

[Guest Jamie]

WHAT PEOPLE ON HERE WITH DIFFERENT OPINIONS.......JESUS NEXT SOMEONE WILL SAY I'M SANCTOMONIOUS  

link

You got something to say Franklin??

[Chalky]

Anyone mentioned Soul Bros Inc - Teardrops on Salem Does nothing for me I'm afraid.

[Chalky]

Can remember Bobby Adams - Thats The Kinda Man I Am - Big Bee being spun in the 80's...often wondered why But on listening again...hmmmmmm Sounds better than it did back then

[Simsy]

My opinion??

The Magnetics is one of the best double siders ever, and Karen, Pikey et al, its a weekend in a room listening to the Aeroplane Song on loop for you 

And Dan can join you too. 

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Liking your opinion Mikey

[Simsy]

"And whenever I lay me down to sleep I pray the lord your soul to keep and bring it on home safe to me now"

Whoss not to like? Fab intro, catchy lyrics, as Pete-S said brilliant as a northern soul record.

One more thing, (validating) member russ winstanley1 - his fave record. Let's wait and see what he's got to say.

[MarkWhiteley]

Controversial one here.....

Mel Britt - She'll Come Running Back - FIP

Meandering tuneless nonsense.

WOOF!

link

Dear me Joe.... Easily one of the greatest soul 45s ever made IMO

The Vondells - Hey Girl - Airtown, apart from the intro this record is over priced, over played,over rated and sadly over here, vocally a real mess and if anyone can understand the lyrics then please tell me what it's all about, not only that but there are more copies around than it's rare status would suggest and should not be a big ticket item.

I'll get my coat - Mark Bicknell

link

Mr. Bicknell ! always had this down as one of your spins. Personally think it's brilliant and it would certainly be one of the first things I'd buy in result of a lottery win

Nelson Sanders mojo man, no words can describe how fucking shite this is. Hate it more than Larry Trider and thats saying something.

link

Aggree, a big fat pile disjointed junk. Flip is lovely deep slowie though

Can remember Bobby Adams - Thats The Kinda Man I Am - Big Bee being spun in the 80's...often wondered why     But on listening again...hmmmmmm    Sounds better than it did back then 

link

Shaft always springs to mind when I hear this

Agrre with most other stuff mentioned - apart from Lady in green. Again, one of the greatest soul records IMO quite like Terry Goodnight too whtich I saw was taking a bit of a slating...

Billy :dance:

Edited April 22, 2005 by billytheboot

[soulAdequateNP]

Can remember Bobby Adams - Thats The Kinda Man I Am - Big Bee being spun in the 80's...often wondered why    But on listening again...hmmmmmm    Sounds better than it did back then 

link

For what it's worth, that particular one always sounds to me like a knock off of "Payback's A Drag"...by the way, how much would one expect to pay for a copy of that one these days?

"...You don't know how its....gonna come..."

[Marc Forrest]

Anyone mentioned Soul Bros Inc - Teardrops on Salem    Does nothing for me I'm afraid.

link

I simply love it and every time I hear it I get chills up and down my spine (or what was that phrase again ?). Truly awesome BLACK goup mover and oh so soulflul...btw, I think it is not the Chicago based Salem label if anyone was wondering...

Marc

Edited April 23, 2005 by Marc Forrest

[Marc Forrest]

Can remember Bobby Adams - Thats The Kinda Man I Am - Big Bee being spun in the 80's...often wondered why    But on listening again...hmmmmmm    Sounds better than it did back then 

link

Being a big fan of this mans output on Colpix, May, Tra-x, Purdy, Old town, Pilma and that rose coloured label whose name escapes me at the mo I must admit that this particular 45 does nearly (!) nth for me though. Having said so I can see why it could / does appeal to some