The Yank Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 Here's a few more additions in alpahabetical order.... 1) Fenton 2) Gold (the Cortez Young label not one with Brooks O'dell) 3) I.P.G. 4) Penny 5) Twirl- early releases (Johnny and the Hurricanes, Bobbie Smith) show Detroit on the label. 6) Wee-3 7) Workshop Jazz 8) Zelman Here's a few you might want to delete-1) Prophonics (label says Mt. Morris which is about 75 miles away) 2) Whitfield ( didn't get up and running until 1976/77) 3) Dee Gee- I would swear this was based in Los Angeles.
boba Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 Here's a few more additions in alpahabetical order.... 1) Fenton 2) Gold (the Cortez Young label not one with Brooks O'dell) 3) I.P.G. 4) Penny 5) Twirl- early releases (Johnny and the Hurricanes, Bobbie Smith) show Detroit on the label. 6) Wee-3 7) Workshop Jazz 8) Zelman Here's a few you might want to delete-1) Prophonics (label says Mt. Morris which is about 75 miles away) 2) Whitfield ( didn't get up and running until 1976/77) 3) Dee Gee- I would swear this was based in Los Angeles. is IPG definitely detroit? the biggest hit on the label was jay wiggins sad girl, isn't he an east coast artist? I know the barbees is on the label, but I always thought it was an easy coast label.
Dave Thorley Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 you sure about Crow and Flaming Arrow, though we was decided it wasn't Detroit and Dave Thorley said no one in Detroit knew anything of it. Sure it's Chicago, BobA will know. It took a long time to find, but the owner did live in Detroit, now dead. He just seemed to work very much on his own, didn't use Detroit artists or musicians on his recordings. Some things were recorded in Chicago, maybe Detroit as well, but non of the major studios remember him. Still trying to track more info down, might find out more on my next trip.
Guest Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 But after Motown had decamped to Los Angeles - so not a Detroit label.... What in 1968 ?
Dave Thorley Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 Hi Carl Some of the below are not Detroit, but other Michigan labels and some are 70's onwards. A fair few Michigan labels get credited to Detroit, but had little connection. Marked a few examples. i can't think of a detroit "teen town" but it's possible? (right ronnie and robin!) others are Ridge Baby ypsi (70's) m-s new day O'clock vantage point Skin to Skin Bronse T-V Fine Art Knowles Latin American Staff Dee Gee Tribe V.I.P. Sound patterns Sound Impressions C&T Gig Lando Lendo Autocap Circus Fox Venus Mail Call Dial Nu-Sound Val Enterprise Quality Avenue Stepp Sonbert Wildcat Ultimate 1999 (70/80's) us america E V Torch Brilliant Mind (Flint) Voyage Dark Mirror Fee chex Checkmate Deltron Hercules Soul Ave Fulton Lake GeNeva Top Ten Birdie Mier Joy Eastbound Westbound National Get Down (70's) Red Cap Fee Detroit Gold Out Front Gemni CM Ston-Roc Black Gold Triple b? Single B Boo-Ga-loo? Sherwood? Audrey Celebrity Megas Hot Wax Invictus Ecology Tortoise Gloreco Music Merchant Sock-It Lu-Mar? Marquee JMC Pesents Records Music Town Stag Ruby Genesis Soulapple Velvet sound (70's) Jump off? Sa-mo Big Mack not big mac parkside reliant Atkins All-Star (70's) Velvet Bullet? ESP Bumpshop Big "D" records Adell Future Electric detroit country Ge Ge showboat (70's) strate coup? (barrett strong) Red Line (70's) Soya Ghetto? (sunrise movement) Eclipse Dynamics three G's? (superlatives) Candi Bernard Nemo Express? (tempting Five) Soul-o-sonic Ren-Cen Jerry-O Rolyat productions Sound Trek? (Top Shelf) Top Dog Sensation (Total capacity) May Day Whitfield?? Career World Joy (Flint/Saginaw) groove city Syco? (Jimmy Holland) Marathon Rob Ron Ron Hol SoulHawk Rayber Checkmate Danceland Gail & Rice Burnie's Label MotorPool Dode Sorry but i'm sure there some duplication.
Marc Forrest Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 Thats what i said !! Sure there`s a Winley out of NYC but I am also somewhat sure that my copy of the Creations/Paul Winley bears a Detroit adress... As I was deejaying last night I sadly had no chance to have a look at my records for any additions but I see we have been very creative anyway. Would saave poor old Chalky some work if we all read closely before adding new ones as a lot of double and three time namings have been posted Marc
Chalky Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 Dee Gee- I would swear this was based in Los Angeles. According to R&B Indies, owned by Dizzy Gillespie & David Usher, 4015 Leslie St, Detroit, c/o Savoy Records, Newark, NJ.
Chalky Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 A nice job Chalky and I hate to nit-pick but you've got "Detroit Sound" and "The Detroit Sound". Actually thinking about it,are they different labels? "The De..." is Sequins. Robert Walker and assorted garage bands is different design. ROD will double check Rod but sure The Detroit Sound and Detroit Sound are two different labels.
Chalky Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 Drumhead, on the other hand--now, there's another Detroit label. Lathrup Village, Michigan acording to R&B indies.
Chalky Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 But after Motown had decamped to Los Angeles - so not a Detroit label.... Chris Clark 11/1969 according to the listing in front of me.
Guest Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 Chris Clark 11/1969 according to the listing in front of me. Says 68 on the record and m/town didnt move till 72 so a good'n.
Steve Edgar Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 Chalky, as I mentioned previously.. you can deffo put W.I.G. on the list (part of Sidra) also Bantu and International Hits are another 2 that I don't think I can see on the list. Re Music Town... always thort that was Philly? (Frankford Wayne stamp and all that) or is there another "Music Town" other than the one the connecticut group "Detroit Soul" was on? steve
Chalky Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 (edited) edited Edited November 13, 2008 by chalky
Modernsoulsucks Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 This probably doesn't help but back in '79 I came across thousands of Music Merchant 45s in an abandoned factory in Detroit. Bit odd if they were pressed/originated on West Coast. I kinda thought that HDH based label there to utilise local talent when Motown moved out. Where's ME-O from then. Tootsie R's sounds Detroit-ish and Martineques are from there I think. May be Ohio though I guess. Matrix is M1002A with "H" opposite on Martineques so that's some guide for someone with more knowledge of pressing plants etc. ROD
Chalky Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 This probably doesn't help but back in '79 I came across thousands of Music Merchant 45s in an abandoned factory in Detroit. Bit odd if they were pressed/originated on West Coast. I kinda thought that HDH based label there to utilise local talent when Motown moved out. Where's ME-O from then. Tootsie R's sounds Detroit-ish and Martineques are from there I think. May be Ohio though I guess. Matrix is M1002A with "H" opposite on Martineques so that's some guide for someone with more knowledge of pressing plants etc. ROD We discussed the Me-O Label some while back and sure we came to the conclusion that it was West Coast label. Sure they are RCA pressed and the H is RCA's Hollywood pressing plant. I know Music Merchant has lot of Detroit connections but the address according to (the often wrong) R&B Indies is 1800 North Argyle Ave, Hollywood. I would have though though with National distribution it would be pressed all over???
boba Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 We discussed the Me-O Label some while back and sure we came to the conclusion that it was West Coast label. Sure they are RCA pressed and the H is RCA's Hollywood pressing plant. I know Music Merchant has lot of Detroit connections but the address according to (the often wrong) R&B Indies is 1800 North Argyle Ave, Hollywood. I would have though though with National distribution it would be pressed all over??? i didn't know then, but i'm pretty sure now that me-o is definitely la, run by a guy named romeo taylor
Steve Edgar Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 Tru-Ba-Dor still to be added to list Chalky also wondered bout Rich being on there, if this is the JJ Barnes, Cornell Blakely label, then it was based in Nashville. so three I would question about being Detroit based would be "Big Wheel" "Music Town" and "Rich" tho am probs wrong Getting to be an impresive list of labels, so many important labels from, I'd say the most important city concerning Northern Soul steve
ChrisOD1964 Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 (edited) POSTED THE WRANG ONES CHRIS Edited November 13, 2008 by ChrisOD1964
Weingarden Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 re DRUMHEAD: seems silly to exclude it based on lathrup village address; lathrup village is a very near suburb of detroit, so this is completely different from a label being based in, say, saginaw, flint, or grand rapids. if we're going to be this strict, we'd have to lose mutt, too, since it was based in inkster, another suburb. what about the BURT label? strictly speaking nashville-based, but surely a detroit connection, right? part of magic city setup, owned by ernest burt...did it start in detroit and then relocate to nashville with mr. burt?
Chalky Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 Tru-Ba-Dor still to be added to list Chalky also wondered bout Rich being on there, if this is the JJ Barnes, Cornell Blakely label, then it was based in Nashville. so three I would question about being Detroit based would be "Big Wheel" "Music Town" and "Rich" tho am probs wrong Getting to be an impresive list of labels, so many important labels from, I'd say the most important city concerning Northern Soul steve Big Wheel, although the label owner Frank Kosian was from NY, everything on the label was recorded in Detroit (Golden World & Untied Sound), certainly everything by the Falcons. The Falcons also did the backing on Sandy Hollis, thats why left that in there. Rich, I can remove but again according to R&B indies 1801 was subsidary of Motown as well as distributed by Motown. MUsic Town again Detroit according to R&B Indies, can anyone confirm otherwise? I had an article somewhere about Detroit Soul from some for forum or other that I'm looking for. R&B Indies is often wrong so again looking for confirmation one way or t'other. Tru-Ba-Dor added.
Guest Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 How come "Weed" isn't on the list Chalkster old boy?.
Chalky Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 re DRUMHEAD: seems silly to exclude it based on lathrup village address; lathrup village is a very near suburb of detroit, so this is completely different from a label being based in, say, saginaw, flint, or grand rapids. if we're going to be this strict, we'd have to lose mutt, too, since it was based in inkster, another suburb. what about the BURT label? strictly speaking nashville-based, but surely a detroit connection, right? part of magic city setup, owned by ernest burt...did it start in detroit and then relocate to nashville with mr. burt? I've added Drunhead. But one or two earlier suggested some included that aren't strictly Detroit that's why wasn't included earlier. Burt added also, Detroit address according to info in front of me.
Chalky Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 How come "Weed" isn't on the list Chalkster old boy?. I'll add it just for you matey
Weingarden Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 more: Club America Creative Profile (maybe just 70s) Heavy Hank (maybe just 70s) Hit King Soul Kingston International Martin Midnite Movement Music Now (maybe just 70s) Natural N.O.E. Pelikin Rainbow Raldo Ring RRC Selector Sound Setting Sun Soul Track Sound Tank Trevia (maybe just 70s) Tru-Soul
Steve Edgar Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 Big Wheel, although the label owner Frank Kosian was from NY, everything on the label was recorded in Detroit (Golden World & Untied Sound), certainly everything by the Falcons. The Falcons also did the backing on Sandy Hollis, thats why left that in there. Fair enough. I agree about the Falcons, Sandy Hollis, and even the Bettye LaVette disc (which actually is Jobete both sides) just thort we was listing labels that were actually based in Detroit. Rich, I can remove but again according to R&B indies 1801 was subsidary of Motown as well as distributed by Motown. 1801 (Cornell Blakely) was indeed a Motown master but I think John Richborough (label owner) used a lot of different record companies to distribute the labels output, I know the JJ Barnes (with an early Vandellas backing) was distributed by Ace records. MUsic Town again Detroit according to R&B Indies, can anyone confirm otherwise? I had an article somewhere about Detroit Soul from some for forum or other that I'm looking for. R&B Indies is often wrong so again looking for confirmation one way or t'other. Tru-Ba-Dor added.
Guest Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 (edited) Inferno sub of Motown i think,not the same as if you ever walk out of my life isnt that detriot aswell or are they the same? Edited November 13, 2008 by ken
Chalky Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 Inferno sub of Motown i think,not the same as if you ever walk out of my life isnt that detriot aswell or are they the same? same Kenny as far as I'm aware.
Modernsoulsucks Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 (edited) What about JABER [Jackey B,+ the woman thingy version] and DARCHA [Camarros] ROD And isn't that Fab Impacts on ITS A BOMB Detroit Edited November 13, 2008 by modernsoulsucks
Guest mel brat Posted November 14, 2008 Posted November 14, 2008 Inferno sub of Motown i think,not the same as if you ever walk out of my life isnt that detriot aswell or are they the same? The 'Motown' Inferno incarnation (different design, and pressed on vinyl) was presumably a product of Motown having bought up the Inferno roster, probably at the time they acquired Ric-Tic - hence the Volumes release. (Was theirs the only release on the Motown Inferno label?, I forget...) Plus the Lollipops turned up on VIP with the superb and sadly underrated "Cheating Is Telling On You", (a far better song than "Loving Good Feeling" in my opinion!)
The Yank Posted November 14, 2008 Posted November 14, 2008 Here's five more .... 1) HPC 2) K.O. 3) MESSAGE ( Gospel label) 4) MAUREEN 5) PRINCE ADAMS
Guest carl_p Posted November 14, 2008 Posted November 14, 2008 (edited) Oasis (50's) Ruth O'mack (late 50's) Wheels Four (dearborn) MSK Hideout Punch Revival Al-Jacks War Conn JWJ (allegan) A-Squared (Ann Arbor) Hyland J&E (gospel) JBE (Gospel) Ella Jones (gospel) Kno-Mar (gospel) archer (childrens record) Saint Blaze HJB (gospel) Top Hat Edited November 14, 2008 by carl_p
Guest Posted November 14, 2008 Posted November 14, 2008 (edited) The 'Motown' Inferno incarnation (different design, and pressed on vinyl) was presumably a product of Motown having bought up the Inferno roster, probably at the time they acquired Ric-Tic - hence the Volumes release. (Was theirs the only release on the Motown Inferno label?, I forget...) Three other releases by the Detroit wheels. Edited November 14, 2008 by ken
Rob Wigley Posted November 14, 2008 Posted November 14, 2008 Hi Chalky, a few more to add - DYNAMO GARRISON MiKE --(as in microphone) Magic Touch ORBIT--Dusty Wilson Red City R P R--Jimmy McFarland Not forgetting Standard Groove---"I care about Detroit" hope that helps Rob
Chalky Posted November 14, 2008 Posted November 14, 2008 Hi Chalky, a few more to add - hope that helps Rob Ta Rob, hope you are both well?
Modernsoulsucks Posted November 14, 2008 Posted November 14, 2008 As it's Mel's thread was he wanting Detroit labels with soul/Northern releases only. I don't think Hideout has any,nor Fenton and A squared. Otherwise you're gonna be missing a lot of labels unless someone into 60's garage contributes. RPR is West Coast address although did distribute "Like my baby",Dynamo subsid of Musicor with only Wylie Hester connection from Stanley Mitchell/Platters. Anyway sure you know that. Don't think Garrison is Detroit either. Subsid of Wand and checking matrix of Honeybees against Clarence Reid they are very similar Honeybees 50642 [sratched] and a M or W or squiggle [hard to make out] Clarence Reid 50589 and as above. ROD
Tony Smith Posted November 14, 2008 Posted November 14, 2008 Didn't think Magic Touch was strictly Detroit, more a label with a few Detroit releases?
Chalky Posted November 14, 2008 Posted November 14, 2008 Didn't think Magic Touch was strictly Detroit, more a label with a few Detroit releases? Magic Touch (one with Rabbit in hat logo) is from Milwaukee. R&B Indies does list another Magic Touch with one release 007 Herman Griffin from 1968 and lists it as Detroit. Should Big Wheel be removed from the list, practically everything about it Detroit except it's address?
Steve Edgar Posted November 14, 2008 Posted November 14, 2008 Should Big Wheel be removed from the list, practically everything about it Detroit except it's address? Another label thats so Detroit but maybe classed as Chicago is Boo. Label owner Ric Williams is Chicago, but he set up the label for Bridges Knight & Eaton who I'm sure based themselves in Detroit, and I know a lot of the label output was recorded at Tera Shirma, Where would we class Boo and indeed Aquarius for that matter (another Ric Williams label) What do think? I'm well impressed with the list so far. next is a discog of them all please! steve
Tony Smith Posted November 14, 2008 Posted November 14, 2008 Magic Touch (one with Rabbit in hat logo) is from Milwaukee. R&B Indies does list another Magic Touch with one release 007 Herman Griffin from 1968 and lists it as Detroit. Should Big Wheel be removed from the list, practically everything about it Detroit except it's address? Of Course and JJ Barnes "To An Early Grave", subsidiary of Ram-Brock!! Maroon label Cez-Vista?
Modernsoulsucks Posted November 14, 2008 Posted November 14, 2008 (edited) Isn't Gary Dean on YOUNG a Detroit 45? Keep Big Wheel and dump the garage labels as I know Mel was only interested in the soul/northern aspect. Be a bit of a mish-mash otherwise. Taurus & Leo[Velvet Sound] don't sound 70's to me ROD Edited November 14, 2008 by modernsoulsucks
Tony Smith Posted November 14, 2008 Posted November 14, 2008 Syco? (Jimmy Holland) Think this is a Chicago release
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