Tonight Bbc2,british Style Genius Prog

[De-to]

just watched on bbc2 british style genius saw lots of old footage of teds/mods/skins/footy casuals, they played a few old reggae/skin tunes and a bit of eddie bishop,call me, think you can watch it on bbci playback,i really enjoyed it,

[De-to]

just watched on bbc2 british style genius saw lots of old footage of teds/mods/skins/footy casuals, they played a few old reggae/skin tunes and a bit of eddie bishop,call me, think you can watch it on bbci playback,i really enjoyed it,

heres the bbc i link to this prog its worth watching imo,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00fh...he_Street_Look/

[Steve Thomas]

heres the bbc i link to this prog its worth watching imo,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00fh...he_Street_Look/

yep saw this and thought it had been put over really well

steve T

[Pete S]

Brilliant program I thought. Wasn't it great when everyone dressed smartly.

[mischief]

worth watching be good if they went more in depth now on each fashion...

i enjoyed the bit about casuals.. i never knew that stuff as never been into football and to me casuals were people you run over when you was on your scooter!!!!!

well they tried to knock us off when they was in there cars so all is fair...

See Jim Cox got on there... great record collection...

[Guest matt tees]

worth watching be good if they went more in depth now on each fashion...

i enjoyed the bit about casuals.. i never knew that stuff as never been into football and to me casuals were people you run over when you was on your scooter!!!!!

well they tried to knock us off when they was in there cars so all is fair...

See Jim Cox got on there... great record collection...

Yeh, I thought it was an excellent programme, but dear me Mischief, never got into football how old are you, I suppose you used to skip and play hop-scotch in the playground with the girls while the boys gave the football a good kickin!!

[Pete S]

Yeh, I thought it was an excellent programme, but dear me Mischief, never got into football how old are you, I suppose you used to skip and play hop-scotch in the playground with the girls while the boys gave the football a good kickin!!

That was my first thought. Maybe his Mummy made him dress as a little girl.

[Guest matt tees]

That was my first thought. Maybe his Mummy made him dress as a little girl.

Mischief dresses like a little girl, I could not possibly comment!! Girl Guides Honour

Edited November 5, 2008 by matt tees

[mischief]

Mr Chapman i'm suprissed you watched it, was it to see the bits when the men were putting their clothes on... bet you liked that bit didn't you....

No never been one for football..

when I was younger I was into watersports (chapman don't get excited) Rowing and Sailing...

oh played basketball for the school as well...

at an early age I decided that watching 22 men run around in short shorts (it was the 70's) never done any thing for me.

I think its because as a person i'm not very competative so when I watch football which I do now.. I don't care who wins as long as they both play well...

[Guest Byrney]

Surprisingly I really enjoyed it too - totally unexpected. IMO it managed to put a summery of Casual across (which is the only bit I really know about) in a spot on way, especially differentiating us from the 90s designer label hoolie. Brought back memories of Lads on the terraces not being led only by the label but the firstly the look.

Reminded me of going into a snobby middle class shop in Nottingham called Grants (across from where the Alley where the Old Roxy Threads used to be) to buy a YSL Jacket in 83 that was pure Casual in Style. The shop owner hating every minute as a young toothless oik bought a jacket he deemed fit only to be wore by one his regular gentleman clients.

Also they touched on Burberry - the now despised label of the chav, which to be fair in the 80s was only worn for about three or four seasons until it was deemed a bit divvy when they started to hit the high street. Before that (other than places like Scotch House in London) you could only get the jackets in the East Mids in Golfing shops so we'd scope out where had the best deals. That for me was what Casuals was about, the look, the hunt for the next item, the lois tag placed at the bottom of your jean leg, the shouting at oposing lads on the terrace that they were still wearing Burbury and you were in Aquascutum or Daks house check. I also loved the looks you would get when 30 Alan Partridge look alikes would turn up in a pub or a match. Remember when 20 of the young Forest lads came to my local to see us, the pub in Eastwood was full of local lads, all boneheads (not skins). They couldnt get there head round these puffy looking wedgeheads had taken over their gaff, until they looked past the pink Marco polo shirt and flick haircut and spotted steely rough feckers who'd toe to toe on a nod.

Thought that Scouse Lad (think he runs a shop in Liverpool - Cricket?) seemed to know his stuff - some would kill for that Red Fila BJ Mk2 top he had on in mint nick.

Glad to see Away Days (Clips used in the programme) is at last being made into a film, I was on a arts funding panel years ago when Kevin Sampson was seeking funding for the film. I fought tooth and nail to get him a grant, the middle class feckers wouldn't shift.

How did it stack up for you Mods - Skins then, on the mark?

Edited November 5, 2008 by Byrney

[Pete S]

Really interesting post that Byrney.

Did you all wear Trim Trabs to enable you to run away faster?

[Ady Croasdell]

Great programme, with the exception of a certain "expert". The Ted stuff was excellent and good mod footage but not quite so good as the Teds and even skins. They played a bit of Booker T Averhart 'Get Your Shoes Off' off a Kent CD too.

[Guest Byrney]

Really interesting post that Byrney.

Did you all wear Trim Trabs to enable you to run away faster?

I had asthma, I'd look like I was standing but really I had no choice

[Guest Byrney]

I find youth cultures of the UK fascinating, Teds, Mods, Suedes, Skins, Northern, punks er.. futurists Casuals (kind of starts to run out of steam at this point)

It is something uniquely British and one of the things we can be very proud of. Look how they all in a way (ok perhaps not new romantics) have been embraced / emulated in other countries.

I seem to have taken a patriotic turn, how queer.

[De-to]

I find youth cultures of the UK fascinating, Teds, Mods, Suedes, Skins, Northern, punks er.. futurists Casuals (kind of starts to run out of steam at this point)

It is something uniquely British and one of the things we can be very proud of. Look how they all in a way (ok perhaps not new romantics) have been embraced / emulated in other countries.

I seem to have taken a patriotic turn, how queer.

byrney,i love all that old mod/skins footage the music clothes etc but theres not much original footage about is there???,

[Guest Ivor Jones]

Yep,really quite enjoyed this program. A lot of interesting footage though i`d seen quite a lot of it before.

Quite how Robert Elms seems to get roped in on all these type of programs as an expert does surprise me somewhat as i dont really think he knows what he`s talking about.....

I thought the one of the early mods interveiwed came across as a right egotistical tosser but then i dont really take to snobby gits whoever they are. You can quite see how some people would have thought them too aloof and up their own arses....I thought Charlie Watts came across really well. He made a very valid point that although the mod thing had long since finished there remained a set of people who,even though they didnt follow fashion, were obsessed about their clothing and appearance and that a set of people like that remained to this day. A subtle point which would be lost on most i believe.

Im afraid i found the whole casual thing rather predictable,i cant help but feel it all went horribly wrong from there on.......Surely,the casual craze for sportswear and nasty designer shite[ did anyone see that Georgio Armani stuff ? ] has lead street fashion into a cul de sac where only the most ostentatious in your face labels are desired by the majority ? Where is the individualism in that i ask ?

Soul on Brothers and Sisters

[Guest]

heres the bbc i link to this prog its worth watching imo,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00fh...he_Street_Look/

Cheers ! I would have missed that one !

I really enjoyed it !

I love documentrys about things I am intrested in when they are done well, and I felt that was great !

I even enjoyed the bit on Casuals - as mentioned - they were a right pain up the arse in the 80s for any Scooter riding Mod or Skin.

Its funny when you look back. But they were a fecking nightmare at the time !!!!

We had the best taste in music and clothes mind !!! (and still do)

Mossy

[Guest sadsam]

Could have been a two parter really, they couldn't wait to get to the labels of today. What happened to the swuadeheads, the smoothies, budgie boys, boot boys etc----------------------SAM

[Guest Simon]

Great programme, with the exception of a certain "expert". The Ted stuff was excellent and good mod footage but not quite so good as the Teds and even skins. They played a bit of Booker T Averhart 'Get Your Shoes Off' off a Kent CD too.

Was that the R & B track they played, if it was twas superb!

Simon

[Guest Byrney]

Yep,really quite enjoyed this program. A lot of interesting footage though i`d seen quite a lot of it before.

Quite how Robert Elms seems to get roped in on all these type of programs as an expert does surprise me somewhat as i dont really think he knows what he`s talking about.....

I thought the one of the early mods interveiwed came across as a right egotistical tosser but then i dont really take to snobby gits whoever they are. You can quite see how some people would have thought them too aloof and up their own arses....I thought Charlie Watts came across really well. He made a very valid point that although the mod thing had long since finisheSurely,the casual craze for sportswear and nasty designer shite[ did anyone see that Georgio Armani stuff ? ] has lead street fashion into a cul de sac where only the most ostentatious in your face labels are desired by the majority ? Where is the individualism in that i ask ?

d there remained a set of people who,even though they didnt follow fashion, were obsessed about their clothing and appearance and that a set of people like that remained to this day. A subtle point which would be lost on most i believe.

Im afraid i found the whole casual thing rather predictable,i cant help but feel it all went horribly wrong from there on.......Soul on Brothers and Sisters

First point, in a way your right, what became more important to most lads around 86 - 87?? was the label and brand rather than the look, the exclusivity and the hunt for the next thing. Although most of the time I went for subtle stuff and clobber you had to hunt about for, I did (quite a few times in fact ) fall for some of the big label shite which in retrospect looked kak (although I never wore Best Company - pure crap).

IMO this led to many labels losing their exclusivity, dropping the quality; offset by the equity or value of the label bolstered by high street demand. In effect often shite quality, big bling brand and anyone with a credit card can get it by walking down the highstreet rather than having to scour outdoor shops in Peak District market towns. The buzz for me was lost when anyone could get what you had as long as they had the cash.

However there were many casuals all the way through who were more subtle and some still are. For example some wouldn't be seen dead in Stone Island post 1997 and would opt for CP, Production, Navy and Artic, Bonneville, Left Hand, Massimo Osti (Casuals on here will see the connection )- all with very subtle logos but again style was king (although CP have now f3cked up thier credibility by mimicking their iconic mille miglia jacket and putting goggles on every fecking thing they produce).

You'll still see the some casuals wearing non mainstream / non designer stuff; reasonable quality, not that expensive and fairly exclusive. Outdoor wear -brands like Fjall Raven; although this is losing its credibility as fashion stores are now starting to stock it. I'll still wear it because the design is quality and its cheapish.

Regarding being predictable - not for me. I've never really heard the Casual story on TV, it usually jumps straight to the designer hoolies; close up of baseball hatted bloke in Stone Island and Reebok trainers throwing plastic chairs, not late 70s lads in peter storm and Forest Hills. Did like the bit about watching wimbledon - remember being the first of our lot to get on the hunt for a Cerutti 1881 polo after watching Jimmy Connors. It did the best job it could for casuals in the time it was allotted. Bet some of the Londoners ain't happy though as it didn't reflect their view that it started there

Edited November 6, 2008 by Byrney

[Guest Byrney]

Cheers ! I would have missed that one !

I really enjoyed it !

I love documentrys about things I am intrested in when they are done well, and I felt that was great !

I even enjoyed the bit on Casuals - as mentioned - they were a right pain up the arse in the 80s for any Scooter riding Mod or Skin.

Its funny when you look back. But they were a fecking nightmare at the time !!!!

Mossy

Whereas in the East Mids loads of Casuals had scooters. Notts Brittania scooter club - well known in the early 80s had equal numbers of Forest and Derby casuals (or should I say shades - Notts term in the early 80s).

[viphitman]

the bbc link only works for the uk but not for europe or mars i would love to see it but...yes but no but any chance of a clip????

[De-to]

the bbc link only works for the uk but not for europe or mars i would love to see it but...yes but no but any chance of a clip????

im sure some clever person on here might be able to help you,

have you tried youtube somebody might have posted it up,???

[De-to]

just tried youtube for you and yes all episodes are on, just type in the search,british style genius...

[Guest Brett F]

First point, in a way your right, what became more important to most lads around 86 - 87?? was the label and brand rather than the look, the exclusivity and the hunt for the next thing. Although most of the time I went for subtle stuff and clobber you had to hunt about for, I did (quite a few times in fact ) fall for some of the big label shite which in retrospect looked kak (although I never wore Best Company - pure crap).

IMO this led to many labels losing their exclusivity, dropping the quality; offset by the equity or value of the label bolstered by high street demand. In effect often shite quality, big bling brand and anyone with a credit card can get it by walking down the highstreet rather than having to scour outdoor shops in Peak District market towns. The buzz for me was lost when anyone could get what you had as long as they had the cash.

However there were many casuals all the way through who were more subtle and some still are. For example some wouldn't be seen dead in Stone Island post 1997 and would opt for CP, Production, Navy and Artic, Bonneville, Left Hand, Massimo Osti (Casuals on here will see the connection )- all with very subtle logos but again style was king (although CP have now f3cked up thier credibility by mimicking their iconic mille miglia jacket and putting goggles on every fecking thing they produce).

You'll still see the some casuals wearing non mainstream / non designer stuff; reasonable quality, not that expensive and fairly exclusive. Outdoor wear -brands like Fjall Raven; although this is losing its credibility as fashion stores are now starting to stock it. I'll still wear it because the design is quality and its cheapish.

Regarding being predictable - not for me. I've never really heard the Casual story on TV, it usually jumps straight to the designer hoolies; close up of baseball hatted bloke in Stone Island and Reebok trainers throwing plastic chairs, not late 70s lads in peter storm and Forest Hills. Did like the bit about watching wimbledon - remember being the first of our lot to get on the hunt for a Cerutti 1881 polo after watching Jimmy Connors. It did the best job it could for casuals in the time it was allotted. Bet some of the Londoners ain't happy though as it didn't reflect their view that it started there

I was a casual around 1980-83 at Sheffield United, i recall wearing an electric blue slazenger v-neck, over a cream cashmere "Hawick of Scotland" polo neck sweater obtained from a long since gone shop in Sheffield called Golf Scene, also skin tight jumbo "inega" cords in (yes you guessed) electric blue, finished with Electric blue Adidas gazelle trainers, all with a auburn dyed wedge haircut. Also had those velcro strap shoes "Kios" and a few years back i sold my original Fila BJ (navy/light blue) on ebay for around £120. Got bored around 83 when everyone started wearing those argyle lyle and scotts, deerstalkers etc, soon moved onto "Sabre" knitwear and nice Italian shoes. Never really cared for anything mass fashion, prefered the independent look, recall in the late 80's/early 90's we were into Dries Van Noten and Patrick Cox "Wannabe" shoes (still got the shoes, great loafers) plus imported knitwear from J. Simons in Covent Garden while all the hooligan youth were in Stone Island etc..Can remember going to Clifton Hall about 82 still dressed in my terrace gear, they used to be an outfit from Darlington i think? all dressed alike. We used to on occasion go over to Manchester for clothes around this time, and i remember going on a Saturday when SUFC were not playing and going back to the station and there were riots on the street between Man City and Arsenal fans, can still see those bleached Lois jeans with Nike wimbledon chasing the "gooners" down those tight side streets.

Seems years ago now

Brett

Edited November 8, 2008 by Brett F

[viphitman]

im sure some clever person on here might be able to help you,

have you tried youtube somebody might have posted it up,???

yep, i have found it the other day

cheers

[Guest BIG H]

First point, in a way your right, what became more important to most lads around 86 - 87?? was the label and brand rather than the look, the exclusivity and the hunt for the next thing. Although most of the time I went for subtle stuff and clobber you had to hunt about for, I did (quite a few times in fact ) fall for some of the big label shite which in retrospect looked kak (although I never wore Best Company - pure crap).

IMO this led to many labels losing their exclusivity, dropping the quality; offset by the equity or value of the label bolstered by high street demand. In effect often shite quality, big bling brand and anyone with a credit card can get it by walking down the highstreet rather than having to scour outdoor shops in Peak District market towns. The buzz for me was lost when anyone could get what you had as long as they had the cash.

However there were many casuals all the way through who were more subtle and some still are. For example some wouldn't be seen dead in Stone Island post 1997 and would opt for CP, Production, Navy and Artic, Bonneville, Left Hand, Massimo Osti (Casuals on here will see the connection )- all with very subtle logos but again style was king (although CP have now f3cked up thier credibility by mimicking their iconic mille miglia jacket and putting goggles on every fecking thing they produce).

You'll still see the some casuals wearing non mainstream / non designer stuff; reasonable quality, not that expensive and fairly exclusive. Outdoor wear -brands like Fjall Raven; although this is losing its credibility as fashion stores are now starting to stock it. I'll still wear it because the design is quality and its cheapish.

Regarding being predictable - not for me. I've never really heard the Casual story on TV, it usually jumps straight to the designer hoolies; close up of baseball hatted bloke in Stone Island and Reebok trainers throwing plastic chairs, not late 70s lads in peter storm and Forest Hills. Did like the bit about watching wimbledon - remember being the first of our lot to get on the hunt for a Cerutti 1881 polo after watching Jimmy Connors. It did the best job it could for casuals in the time it was allotted. Bet some of the Londoners ain't happy though as it didn't reflect their view that it started there

never a truer word spoken Byrney, the fun was (and still is ) tracking down something different instead wearing the predictable 'casual' uniform, gimme Barbour anyday

[Guest DonnaD]

Was that the R & B track they played, if it was twas superb!

Simon

That's the one from a Modern Pt I & II 45

[Guest Simon]

That's the one from a Modern Pt I & II 45

Do you know the artist & title, Donna?

Simon