I was thinking about wether to make it public or not but as the person in question still despite my warning(s) hasn´t done anything yet to solve the situation or got back to me in any kind of way, I am left with no other choice but to make it public.

End of September I had a sales thread going on on here and this member asks me to provide a soundfile for one particular Eddie Daye on Shelly 45. As I can`t do soundfiles I offer him a full refund policy in case he would not be satisfied with the record as I usually do.

He agrees and a deal was done.

After some postal hazzle I pm him to see if he finally recieved his 45. He pm`s me back - quote-

"Yes, many thanks. Great 45. I love it!"

I thought that would have been it.

But no. Next thing I hear from him after another week has gone by is "I want to return the 45 to you for a full refund". I tell him that I am not amused about this as he had the 45 for several weeks now already and also stated to me before that he would "love" the record. So I told him that I don`t see any reason or why I should take it back for a full refund.

He then tells me all of a sudden he believes this 45 is a bootleg (although a few weeks before he did not even know the 45!).

I explain to him that this 45 never ever has been booted. No answer.

Next and only thing I get is a paypal claim.

I have emailed and pm`ed him now several times to close this paypal claim but without any answer or feedback from him. As I noticed he has been on and off soul-source the last couple of days days (I guess to see if I already made it public as he did not post up anything...) I will give him with this public post now one final chance to act before I will name and shame him on here.

I think its very annoying that you can get ripped off from a soul source member...I thought this kind of thing only happens on ebay with dodgy buyers who after they have their goods delivered start a paypal claim! ....

Marc

  soulman1964 said:

havnt read the whole of this thread, ......but i can assure anyone who has got / or is thinking about purchasing a eddie daye test press that they are thr real deal, the test presses turned up in the late 90's....they are on styrene & have a big raised "x" stamped in the run out, from the same pressing plant as shrine, they are identical to the "shelley" issues of this 45, apart from the fact that they have a plain whit label

Yes, thanks for adding that and clearing the whole thing up by doing so.

Marc

  thfcliam said:

It is a bit odd Marc is not replying now John has replied.

I wasn`t online the whole day yesterday, thats the only reason I couldn`t answer before.

Marc

  Pete S said:

John does seem to have a fair poaint to be honest, he was told it was stamped, but it wasn't!

Obviously it is stamped.

  dancingcollector said:

well there ya go,it is kosher,that's all Marc had to do to put my mind at ease,thankyou John.

So you are going to keep it now or still want to return it ? Let me know, thanks in advance,

Marc

Edited November 3, 200816 yr by Marc Forrest

glad its sorted and thats the problem when you name and shame on a public forum.....bad communication and misunderstandings...

  Marc Forrest said:

So you are going to keep it now or still want to return it ? Let me know, thanks in advance,

Marc

Ok, got your pm now. Enjoy this 45.

Marc

I dont think there is any problem naming someone - it usually stimulates the parties to discuss and be advised to a positive outcome like this one.

In my case the person on here has done a bunk since February which tells you something!

  Ernie Andrews said:

I dont think there is any problem naming someone - it usually stimulates the parties to discuss and be advised to a positive outcome like this one.

In my case the person on here has done a bunk since February which tells you something!

Which one was that Ernie - I've forgotten.

  Ernie Andrews said:

I dont think there is any problem naming someone - it usually stimulates the parties to discuss and be advised to a positive outcome like this one.

In my case the person on here has done a bunk since February which tells you something!

I think it rarely stimulates people to discuss and reach a positive outcome. I have seen some nasty ones on here where sellers have told very one sided stories, preemptively badmouthing buyers just because they don't want to take a record back. Whenever I sell anything I will always take it back if the person isn't satisfied -- there's always someone who's a more conservative grader than you, for example, and coming online and accusing them of trying to switch out the record or something before you've even gotten it is just nasty and reflects poorly on you as a seller. I'm speaking in general terms, not referring to anyone specific here (please don't get offended anyone), but it usually comes off as very nasty and unhelpful. If you're a seller and you get your record back and refund the buyer, at worst you're just out postage and have to resell the record. If you're a buyer and get screwed, you're out a lot of money and are potentially stuck with a record that is worthless to you. I've had people send things back to me or even ask for discounts (sometimes warrantless) and I always agreed -- and I've even later seen the same people overgrade records (selling to me!) or resell the same record they asked for a discount on for much more ... it still didn't hurt me that much to comply. Unless it is a real situation where something has done something really and clearly bad / illegal (e.g. fraud), it usually doesn't accomplish much to come on here and badmouth people.

  boba said:

I think it rarely stimulates people to discuss and reach a positive outcome ... I'm speaking in general terms, not referring to anyone specific here ...

Its always easy to paint a general blue print how one should /would react, but in reality life brings up much more diverse situations. I am not feeling offended in anyway but would be really interested to hear how you would (re)act if 1. the return / refund would be asked for after the buyer already had expressed his satisfaction with the 45 2. your paypal account is f**ed up because of him 3. you don´t have any 45 back at all ?

NB

Must add that this thread for me was finished already after the initial controverse was closed.

Edited November 5, 200816 yr by Marc Forrest

  Marc Forrest said:

Its always easy to paint a general blue print how one should /would react, but in reality life brings up much more diverse situations. I am not feeling offended in anyway but would be really interested to hear how you would (re)act if 1. the return / refund would be asked for after the buyer already had expressed his satisfaction with the 45 2. your paypal account is f**ed up because of him 3. you don´t have any 45 back at all ?

NB

Must add that this thread for me was finished already after the initial controverse was closed.

Marc, I'm wasn't commenting on your case specifically (it is less clear cut than other ones I've seen here), please don't take this personally, I'm actually not sure what you morally should have done in this case. However, I do think you didn't fairly depict the entire story, based on what he said his actual comments were here. Also, if you had just taken it back initially he would have sent it back and you wouldn't have had the paypal claim to deal with later though. It did work out for both of you in this case also by you going public, but in general I still don't think it's productive.

  boba said:

Marc, I'm wasn't commenting on your case specifically (it is less clear cut than other ones I've seen here), please don't take this personally, I'm actually not sure what you morally should have done in this case. However, I do think you didn't fairly depict the entire story, based on what he said his actual comments were here. Also, if you had just taken it back initially he would have sent it back and you wouldn't have had the paypal claim to deal with later though. It did work out for both of you in this case also by you going public, but in general I still don't think it's productive.

Boba,thankyou for your unbiased opinion,some people on here are so quick to judge before they have all the facts,makes ya wanna cringe sometimes,John Elias.

Can i just confirm that John Elias is of sound mind and Character....

Well he was the last time i met him anyway ..

Glad its all sorted...

  little-stevie said:

Can i just confirm that John Elias is of sound mind and Character....

Well he was the last time i met him anyway ..

Glad its all sorted...

see you in the loony bin Mr Cato ,take care,John.

  dancingcollector said:

see you in the loony bin Mr Cato ,take care,John.

Yes ideed John...

That day is coming..One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest with a Detroit sound track

Bread of heaven x

  Marc Forrest said:

one particular Eddie Daye on Shelly 45.

Was it this Marc?

  Simsy said:

Was it this Marc?

Yes

  dancingcollector said:

...some people on here are so quick to judge before they have all the facts,makes ya wanna cringe sometimes,John Elias.

before they have all the facts ? ... Wait a minute, you bought a 45, you said you like it, then after weeks you want to return it because without a reason all of a sudden you doubt its originality, next thing and without a word is a paypal claim and no further communication...so pardon me, but who was quick here ? I did send you several (stored..) emails and pm`s before I did start this thread...and even then I did still ask you to react before I named you.

  Marc Forrest said:

before they have all the facts ? ... Wait a minute, you bought a 45, you said you like it, then after weeks you want to return it because without a reason all of a sudden you doubt its originality, next thing and without a word is a paypal claim and no further communication...so pardon me, but who was quick here ? I did send you several (stored..) emails and pm`s before I did start this thread...and even then I did still ask you to react before I named you.

oh dear here you go again with inacurate facts,I had the record one day NOT several weeks and you promised to pm with the "stamp" you didn't bother,I initiated a paypal complaint,you like a little boy sent threatening pm's,I have the proof in my inbox.

Grow up and shut up

  dancingcollector said:

oh dear here you go again with inacurate facts,I had the record one day NOT several weeks and you promised to pm with the "stamp" you didn't bother,I initiated a paypal complaint,you like a little boy sent threatening pm's,I have the proof in my inbox.

Grow up and shut up

your pm

Re:4 bars, Oct 24 08, 07:32 PM

Hi Marcc,record arrived this morning,very nice thanks,love it.

Just one thing,I cant see the stamp in the deadwax,just a scratched in matrix number,John.

my last pm to you before your paypal claim:

Oct 29 08, 12:31 PM

Hi John, I beg you pardon but I have never ever sold a bootleg of as an an original in all of my 24 years of collecting. There does not even exist such a thing like a bootleg of this rare record. Please pass it on to Mike, I am 100 % certain he will agrree with me. If he would have said once you had received the record you don`tlike it there wouldn`t have been a pronblem at all. But to come and say weeks after you don`t want to keep it and want to return it after you have said you love it...sorry, this is really not acceptable.

ATB

Marc

so you are not only a scoundrel, you are a liar also ...and starting to be cheeky too. You know what ? Better stay of me.

I am ending the communication with you now.

Group hug???

  markw said:

Group hug???

Yah!

  markw said:

Group hug???

Wouldn't see it quite that way if I was Marc. Sounds like a load of arse ache..

  Marc Forrest said:

your pm

Re:4 bars, Oct 24 08, 07:32 PM

Hi Marcc,record arrived this morning,very nice thanks,love it.

Just one thing,I cant see the stamp in the deadwax,just a scratched in matrix number,John.

my last pm to you before your paypal claim:

Oct 29 08, 12:31 PM

Hi John, I beg you pardon but I have never ever sold a bootleg of as an an original in all of my 24 years of collecting. There does not even exist such a thing like a bootleg of this rare record. Please pass it on to Mike, I am 100 % certain he will agrree with me. If he would have said once you had received the record you don`tlike it there wouldn`t have been a pronblem at all. But to come and say weeks after you don`t want to keep it and want to return it after you have said you love it...sorry, this is really not acceptable.

ATB

Marc

so you are not only a scoundrel, you are a liar also ...and starting to be cheeky too. You know what ? Better stay of me.

I am ending the communication with you now.

Marc,

if the dates in your quotes are correct John pm'd you on Oct 24 saying he got the record that day. On Oct 29 you accuse him of having the record for weeks??? And if you state "stamped original" in your description you should be able to actually know what sort of stamp it is, e.g. ZTSC matrix, raised x, Frankford-Wayne, etc.

John,

I assume that there is a raised "x" in the run out? I consider it common collectors knowledge that this is a often used run out stamp. If you were unsure you should have asked around before accusing Marc of selling a bootleg.

To be honest, I think both of you haven't done yourself any favours in this case.

GET DA BOYS IN TO SORT IT

  Marc Forrest said:

your pm

Re:4 bars, Oct 24 08, 07:32 PM

Hi Marcc,record arrived this morning,very nice thanks,love it.

Just one thing,I cant see the stamp in the deadwax,just a scratched in matrix number,John.

my last pm to you before your paypal claim:

Oct 29 08, 12:31 PM

Hi John, I beg you pardon but I have never ever sold a bootleg of as an an original in all of my 24 years of collecting. There does not even exist such a thing like a bootleg of this rare record. Please pass it on to Mike, I am 100 % certain he will agrree with me. If he would have said once you had received the record you don`tlike it there wouldn`t have been a pronblem at all. But to come and say weeks after you don`t want to keep it and want to return it after you have said you love it...sorry, this is really not acceptable.

ATB

Marc

so you are not only a scoundrel, you are a liar also ...and starting to be cheeky too. You know what ? Better stay of me.

I am ending the communication with you now.

Great r&s record all the same. Should get more action.

"scoundrel"

Insult of the week.

Runners-up:

Cad.

Bounder.

Dirty Rotter.

  pikeys dog said:

"scoundrel"

Insult of the week.

Runners-up:

Cad.

Bounder.

Dirty Rotter.

PMSL

your german is probably just as amusing pikey! :-)

  macca said:

your german is probably just as amusing pikey! :-)

Mein Deutsch ist gut.

Ich kenne genug, Sie ein Arsch zu rufen.

I knew GCSE German would come in handy one day....

  pikeys dog said:

Mein Deutsch ist gut.

Ich kenne genug, Sie ein Arsch zu rufen.

DO FRIES GO WITH THAT SHAKE

BRI PINCH.