Guest gordon russell Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 it's not about how long a venue has been running,this is not the measure of quality.sometimes it's a handicap.The wheel must be included because it started it all really. The torch will be my option just because it was my first nighter and had such an impact.the most significant must be wigin because it was so good and so bad in equal measures 73 to 77 underground and brilliant 77 onwards the shittiest place ever.In the last couple of years it's burnley...why,because it's the best underground venue since the 70's.There has been plenty of good,good venues,but these are the ones that capture the very essence of the nighter scene. tezza
Guest Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 So you couldn't pick one? That's what you're saying? I couldnt pick one,no chance been too many places and i would rather not, like Pikey stupid question....no right answer.
Guest mel brat Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 Someone should do a poll maybe? ' Yeah, right. And what venue do we imagine would obviously win such a democratic "poll"??? (The results would be as predictable as a Zimbabwe election!)
Simsy Posted October 16, 2008 Author Posted October 16, 2008 Yeah, right. And what venue do we imagine would obviously win such a democratic "poll"??? (The results would be as predictable as a Zimbabwe election!) Why do you say that?
Reg Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 Views it all it is. I could just say I thought it would be the 100 Club for example. Thirty years next year. That's quite something. Got me thinking with the amount of (good) stuff played at one venue over that period of time could be deemed as influential, significant etc etc. Whether that evolution of spins in that place for that time has had more impact than 73 - 81 period of time? The scene is supposed* to be stronger than ever at the moment*? It must be possible to ask the question, speaking generally which allnighter has been the most influential down the years. General views. * debatable and a thread in itself? If I had to choose between 6Ts and Wigan which had influenced me it would obviously be 6TS as I would never have had the chance to hear music that I did without 6TS and Kent. Music played at the 100 club was played on the Mod Scene, at Stafford and all those other wonderful mid to late 80s venues like Tonys, Warrington, Morecambe etc and I bought everything that came out on Kent and still have them all today. It is a personal thing (and probably an age thing too ).
Guest garv Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 What about the Catacombes ? [ Wolverhampton ]. I never went but it broke some great tunes, for me Wigan will allways have the number 1 spot in my heart. But thats because its where i learned about life & grew up. I had this chat with Ady Lupton on the way to lifeline a few years ago, we had both gone to our 1st loves Wigan & 100, the first nighter in our lives, both of us just sat down on a seat & watched the dancing & listened to the music & knew our lives had changed forever. 2 completely different era`s & 2 completely different clubs but the same outcome, a lifelong love of soul music.
Simsy Posted October 16, 2008 Author Posted October 16, 2008 I had this chat with Ady Lupton on the way to lifeline a few years ago, we had both gone to our 1st loves Wigan & 100, the first nighter in our lives, both of us just sat down on a seat & watched the dancing & listened to the music & knew our lives had changed forever. 2 completely different era`s & 2 completely different clubs but the same outcome, a lifelong love of soul music. Well said that man. Happy Birthday.
Guest garv Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 Well said that man. Happy Birthday. Thanks Ian
Chris L Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 Torch wasn't really on long enough to be a contender. Any other serious contenders? What a load of cobblers, get a frecking life !!
TOAD Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 Saturday all-nighter after the jazz had finished. This started at some time in 1981 29 years ?
Guest Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 Saturday all-nighter after the jazz had finished. This started at some time in 1981 29 years ? From the same source as your link above: A brief history a brief history of 6Ts The 6Ts Rhythm and Soul Society was formed in August 1979 by Randy Cozens and Ady Croasdell. The first dance was held in a function room called Henri's at the Bedford Head pub in Maiden Lane, Covent Garden in London's West End.
Nz Soul Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 Jeeeez Iain either you are bored or you fancy another food fight, think I will go back to the family mishaps and leave you to this one!! Although of course anyone in their right mind will know that the most significant all nighter was held in a small hall in small mining village in West of Scotland (only time West has been best in Scotland I should say) in a town that was not even the town everyone referred to when attending, Anyone guess which one I mean by my cryptic clues?? jock do u mean bilston
Simsy Posted October 16, 2008 Author Posted October 16, 2008 What a load of cobblers, get a frecking life !! Come again? What's Cobblers? The Torch wasn't on long enough? Try and make your postings plain and a little less naff perhaps.
Guest Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 Wigan ran for nearly nine years. 100 Club, 29 years... More people flocked to Wigan each week and it was a considerably larger venue. But then folk flock from Europe and all over to the 100 Club and they've never played a crap record.. Perhaps the Wheel could be in the running as it was the first, but I doubt it. Torch wasn't really on long enough to be a contender. Blackpool was groundbreaking, but the allnighter? Any other serious contenders? Would be interesting to know at this stage of the scenes history, which all-nighter could be considered the overall most significant nighter? Easy - Bury 10th Anniversary Niter - tomorrow night. That'll be the most significant nighter (IMO!) I'll get me coat. p.s. what about The Ritz!. Jayne.x
Guest kevnewry Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 of course Im not spechless I guess a figure of speech however that little venue in Hose St Tuntsall did more to shape 9 years at Wigan if not the whole Northern soul scene from 72 onwards more than anyone will know... AGREE WITH THAT 100%......... WIGAN FOR ME COS I DONT KNOW ANY DIFFERENT 77-81. BY THE WAY THOUGHT BLACKPOOL WERE ALDAYER EVENTS... DONT REMEMBER GOING TO THE MECCA AT NIGHT
Guest kevnewry Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 AGREE WITH THAT 100%......... WIGAN FOR ME COS I DONT KNOW ANY DIFFERENT 77-81. BY THE WAY THOUGHT BLACKPOOL WERE ALDAYER EVENTS... DONT REMEMBER GOING TO THE MECCA AT NIGHT FORGOT TO MENTION REDDITCH, CONTRARY TO A LOT OF PEOPLE I QUITE ENJOYED THOSE ALNITERS MUST HAVE BEEN SOMETHING IN THE WATER
Guest soultan Posted October 17, 2008 Posted October 17, 2008 bit like choosing between Jerusalem or Mecca. guess it depends on the length of your beard. i'm with the 100club gang.
TOAD Posted October 17, 2008 Posted October 17, 2008 From the same source as your link above: A brief history a brief history of 6Ts The 6Ts Rhythm and Soul Society was formed in August 1979 by Randy Cozens and Ady Croasdell. The first dance was held in a function room called Henri's at the Bedford Head pub in Maiden Lane, Covent Garden in London's West End. thats not corect then is it the 100 club isnt 29 years old then !!!! wigan had over 500 nighters on 100 club doesnt have 12 nighters per year
Guest Posted October 17, 2008 Posted October 17, 2008 (edited) [ A brief history a brief history of 6Ts The 6Ts Rhythm and Soul Society was formed in August 1979 by Randy Cozens and Ady Croasdell. The first dance was held in a function room called Henri's at the Bedford Head pub in Maiden Lane, Covent Garden in London's West End. thats not corect then is it the 100 club isnt 29 years old then !!!! wigan had over 500 nighters on 100 club doesnt have 12 nighters per year Edited October 17, 2008 by Malc Burton
Jez Jones Posted October 17, 2008 Posted October 17, 2008 (edited) of course Im not spechless I guess a figure of speech however that little venue in Hose St Tuntsall did more to shape 9 years at Wigan if not the whole Northern soul scene from 72 onwards more than anyone will know... Yup , I'll agree on that The best grounding/education for the northern soul 'scene' ever imo. It created a demand after its closure that started the likes of VaVa's and Wigan etc. to satisfy that demand---and the rest is history as they say Edited October 17, 2008 by jez jones
Guest Simon Posted October 17, 2008 Posted October 17, 2008 Would be interesting to know at this stage of the scenes history, which all-nighter could be considered the overall most significant nighter? That is an impossible question to answer imo Ian, a venue can mean different things to different people. I never went to Wigan & am sick & tired of hearing about it but i still appreciate it's huge impact. I disagree about the 100 club never playing a cr*p record, i've heard whole sets that have bored me in the past & that includes sets from Butch & others have had the same experience as they've told me as they've slinked off into the night. That saying 99% of what i'd say about the 100 club would be positive, imo Ady is one of the most important if not the most important people who's graced the scene, for the fabulous Kent albums, all the fabulous unreleased stuff he's still digging up, for all the superb Cleethorpes weekenders & for running a successful club for 29 years, we've just had our 10th anniversary at 'Da Doo Ron Ron' & that was hard enough to get to, 29 tears is phenomonal! My personal biggest influence has been the Capitol Soul Club, only 4 or 5 years worth of dos but totally shaped my taste forever, a lot of what they either revived or played for the first time still heavily shapes a lot of what i still read on playlists on here, also certain djs have shaped the scene heavily, for me personally in the mid to late 9ts (which has been my fave period thus far) Ian Clark & Andy Rix really played some amazing stuff, a lot of these tunes they spun i haven't heard out since. Simon
Chris L Posted October 17, 2008 Posted October 17, 2008 Come again? What's Cobblers? The Torch wasn't on long enough? Try and make your postings plain and a little less naff perhaps. Long enough for what ?
Rhino Posted October 17, 2008 Posted October 17, 2008 Wigan ran for nearly nine years. 100 Club, 29 years... More people flocked to Wigan each week and it was a considerably larger venue. But then folk flock from Europe and all over to the 100 Club and they've never played a crap record.. Perhaps the Wheel could be in the running as it was the first, but I doubt it. Torch wasn't really on long enough to be a contender. Blackpool was groundbreaking, but the allnighter? Any other serious contenders? Would be interesting to know at this stage of the scenes history, which all-nighter could be considered the overall most significant nighter? [/quot doent matter about the venue as long as the music is good and your having a good night with like minded people had great nights all over the country but shotts,morecambe pier and queens hall bradford did it for me
Guest Posted October 17, 2008 Posted October 17, 2008 AGREE WITH THAT 100%......... WIGAN FOR ME COS I DONT KNOW ANY DIFFERENT 77-81. BY THE WAY THOUGHT BLACKPOOL WERE ALDAYER EVENTS... DONT REMEMBER GOING TO THE MECCA AT NIGHT Blackpool normally refers to the Saturday evening (8 - 2?)sessions in the Highland Room at Blackpool Tiffanies. There were some All Dayers run in the big room (Palm trees and all !) organised I think by Neil Rushton's Heart of England Soul Club Some had life acts including Brass Construction. What worries me is I think I went to it but I can't remember ! (Same thing for the Showstoppers at Wigan !)
Wiganer1 Posted October 17, 2008 Posted October 17, 2008 Any other serious contenders? Would be interesting to know at this stage of the scenes history, which all-nighter could be considered the overall most significant nighter? [/quot It's a garbage question, how can you compare Wigan against the Torch, 100 Club or even Kings Hall Stoke today, it's like comparing an E Type Jaguar to a 2008 BMW or a Spitfire to an F-16 or Bruce Forsyth to Dale Winter, garbage question.
Little-stevie Posted October 17, 2008 Posted October 17, 2008 I never went to Wigan (I'm just a wee 30 something whippersnapper) but I did cut my Soul teeth down the hallowed steps of the 100 Club in the mid eighties. I still get the same tinge of excitement entering the place as I did 22 years ago and always leave with the feeling that I haven't been short changed by the DJ's. The fact that it has run for close to three decades makes it, in my opinion, untouchable. But time alone does not a legendary venue make - when considering the fact that its birth came after the so called glory years and then the number of tunes cut there, for me, gives it the edge over all others. But as they say, the proof is in the eating and I still see many of the same faces as I did on my first visit in '86 - I wonder if the same could have been said of Wigan if it had had the same staying power? You aint been north.. North to you is Camden town.. The change for me was Warrington Parr Hall, the change from the oldies to the new 60s and then onto Droylsden all niters... Can't really comment on the best as i did not get to all the venues but the 100 club really ticked the boxes for me on the first few visits in the early 90s..
Guest Goldwax Posted October 17, 2008 Posted October 17, 2008 You aint been north.. North to you is Camden town.. I get nose bleeds at the Post Office tower Steve.
Little-stevie Posted October 17, 2008 Posted October 17, 2008 I get nose bleeds at the Post Office tower Steve. Indeed mate but we will soon have you up here for some gravy dinners Yes the capital was a great venue Simon but this about all niters, if we bring in clubs then it would never ever end..
Stevie T Posted October 17, 2008 Posted October 17, 2008 my first chest grabbing heart pumping entrance to the Music Tiffanys Halifax 1973, people used to travel from all corners of the country to go this Monday night club 7.00 till 12.00 if memory serves ...and then the first nighter ?? same year Wigan casino...."MY GOD IN HEAVEN" the feel the smell....like a first love , the one you never forget, it was all new to me! and very heady....but was all the better for me as i not only liked the music, i LOVED and LIVED the music..it grabbed me and has never let go ... others i frequented...Unity hall (wakefield) victorias (sowerby bridge) central (leeds) ...and all the usual,s etc:etc:
Wiganer1 Posted October 17, 2008 Posted October 17, 2008 Wigan ran for nearly nine years. 100 Club, 29 years... More people flocked to Wigan each week and it was a considerably larger venue. But then folk flock from Europe and all over to the 100 Club and they've never played a crap record.. Perhaps the Wheel could be in the running as it was the first, but I doubt it. Torch wasn't really on long enough to be a contender. Blackpool was groundbreaking, but the allnighter? Any other serious contenders? Would be interesting to know at this stage of the scenes history, which all-nighter could be considered the overall most significant nighter? =-===== ive only been once to the 100 club had a good time . made to feel very welcome by ady cant believe i havent been more times over the years....brill achievement for ady anyway!
Simsy Posted October 17, 2008 Author Posted October 17, 2008 (edited) That is an impossible question to answer imo Ian, a venue can mean different things to different people. I never went to Wigan & am sick & tired of hearing about it but i still appreciate it's huge impact. I disagree about the 100 club never playing a cr*p record, i've heard whole sets that have bored me in the past & that includes sets from Butch & others have had the same experience as they've told me as they've slinked off into the night. That saying 99% of what i'd say about the 100 club would be positive, imo Ady is one of the most important if not the most important people who's graced the scene, for the fabulous Kent albums, all the fabulous unreleased stuff he's still digging up, for all the superb Cleethorpes weekenders & for running a successful club for 29 years, we've just had our 10th anniversary at 'Da Doo Ron Ron' & that was hard enough to get to, 29 tears is phenomonal! My personal biggest influence has been the Capitol Soul Club, only 4 or 5 years worth of dos but totally shaped my taste forever, a lot of what they either revived or played for the first time still heavily shapes a lot of what i still read on playlists on here, also certain djs have shaped the scene heavily, for me personally in the mid to late 9ts (which has been my fave period thus far) Ian Clark & Andy Rix really played some amazing stuff, a lot of these tunes they spun i haven't heard out since. Simon Know what you're saying mate and some good point's I'd agree with there. On the crap records played bit this is meaning Joe 90, Tony Blackburn etc.. NEVER has anything that shite been played at the 100 and this is what taints Wigan's credibility a bit for me. Long enough for what ? To be a serious contender.. Durrr is it that hard? It's a garbage question, how can you compare Wigan against the Torch, 100 Club or even Kings Hall Stoke today, it's like comparing an E Type Jaguar to a 2008 BMW or a Spitfire to an F-16 or Bruce Forsyth to Dale Winter, garbage question. Garbage? Well if it's garbage don't bother getting involved then. I'd prefer it as you're beginning to get on my tits. kings hall would be up there for me ..if it had the Wigan atmosphere.... Good point & good post. Edited October 17, 2008 by Simsy
Guest Posted October 17, 2008 Posted October 17, 2008 On the crap records played bit this is meaning Joe 90, Tony Blackburn etc.. NEVER has anything that shite been played at the 100 and this is what taints Wigan's credibility a bit for me. Personal opinions vary - I'd rather even hear Tony Blackburn than the Latin, R & B, and other nonsense that purports to be Northern Soul today. The post you called garbage isn't - you can't compare the venues and music of 2008 to those of 1978
Simsy Posted October 17, 2008 Author Posted October 17, 2008 The post you called garbage isn't - you can't compare the venues and music of 2008 to those of 1978 I didn't call anything garbage. I can and will compare the scene and all it's history. I think personally, truthfully and somewhat reluctantly, Wigan would edge it as the most significant nighter to date. Just the venue, the time, the buzz and the brilliant sounds that were broken for the first time. That said I am proud to have been involved with the 100 Club for 24 of it's 29 years and maybe some day soon it will eclipse Wigan as the most significant nighter. Interesting topic for me and warm thanks to everyone who posted. Closing now, thanks again.
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