Sean Hampsey Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 8 known copies of a 45 that most people don't yet know the identity of... ...normally translates into scores of copies... once the word is out! Unless this one's a genuine rarity. Who is it then? Then we'll know for sure! Sean Maybe but not necessarily If you remember the Joey De Lorenzo a few yeras ago ..6-7 copies all at one go...largely to DJ'S None really turned up since as they all came from the same source as a single low quantity find. Time will tell Agree... that's why I said 'normally' and 'unless this one's a genuine rarity'. Sometimes the 'covered' 45 remains genuinely rare and expensive (Maurice McAllister etc.) but more often than not, once the papers peeled away, an abundance of copies turn up. In my experience, DJ's often cover up records 'because' they are out there. Everyone knows that... but, love 'em or hate 'em, its still adds to the 'spice' for collectors! Sean
Guest soulmanuk Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 (edited) The one listed on JM's was a strange one...my mate Cliff saw it, and rang him up and said that he would have it please.....John knew nothing about it, or what it was doing on the list......maybe it was something to do with the impending price guide? maybe it's going to be in there???? anyway, he didn't have a copy...where did your copy come from John? Mr. Dyson perchance? Phil. Glad someone else saw it on JM's site. It was listed at £2000. And as I said soon disappeared. I expect that finding a copy is considerably harder than finding out who its by. Edited October 12, 2008 by soulmanuk
Harry Crosby Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 I've always loved the challenge of finding out what a cover up is Harry as well BUT I always kept the info to myself in the hope I'd find one and out of respect to the DJ who is playing the cover up, not blab the info or make remarks that hint to what it is (title or artist etc) on a public forum. I read this topic and similiar topics and seen cetain remarks from DJs but if it was their record they wouldn't be too happy. You have to wonder sometimes why the top DJ's and collectors bother to find new stuff when there always someone trying to be clever on a forum Exactly thats what i was getting at chalky, the challenge of finding out, i have been told who it is but by three different sources, with two different names, so the plot thickens it was allways a big race to find out who searlings c/ups where
Prophonics 2029 Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 I've got to say, I prefer the b-side. Probably another reason why certain DJs don't want it to be uncovered Martin Is the B-side played out and a danceable record, not trying to find a clue too uncover it just out of curiosity about one of the great records palyed on the rare scene at the moment.?
Chalky Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 Is the B-side played out and a danceable record, not trying to find a clue too uncover it just out of curiosity about one of the great records palyed on the rare scene at the moment.? yes it is played out, cover up of course and a nighter biggie if you like.
Dave Pinch Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 i think the b side is the best side and should be played out more.whenever i seem to catch any of the guys who have it they always play `foolish girl`. incidentally there is a cd doing the rounds that has both sides on. not brilliant sound quality but the bootleggers have already had their chance as this cd is at least a couple of years old and you cant put anything past them dave
Chalky Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 (edited) i think the b side is the best side and should be played out more.whenever i seem to catch any of the guys who have it they always play `foolish girl`. incidentally there is a cd doing the rounds that has both sides on. not brilliant sound quality but the bootleggers have already had their chance as this cd is at least a couple of years old and you cant put anything past them dave the cd is the live recording from the Rocket of Butch's set, thats where the soundfile in refo soul comes from. Andy always plays the other side, more so that Foolish Girl. Edited October 12, 2008 by chalky
Guest Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 Forgive me if i'm being a dizzy blonde but theres 8 copys kickin about , and numerous people say they know who it is ! then is it still a cover-up if lots of people know who it is ?????? i THINK i know who it is
De-to Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 for gawds sake please put us out of this misery,!!!!,
Harry Crosby Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 Excuse my ignorance, but i allways thought the purpose of a cover up was in order to personalize that record to a certain dj, and once more copies had surfaced the secret was out, wich seems to be the case here
Simon T Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 the cd is the live recording from the Rocket of Butch's set, thats where the soundfile in refo soul comes from. Andy always plays the other side, more so that Foolish Girl. Both sides are 'available' on a CD, recorded straight from the record, for a couple of years now. I suspect it was done in good faith, but unfortunately there's always someone who likes to show off what they've 'got' and passes stuff on. I've no idea who it is, so if some kind person would PM the details to satisfy my curiosity................
Guest gordon russell Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 look don't mess about it came out on JAYBOY by the charmines...there ya go
John Parker Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 look don't mess about it came out on JAYBOY by the charmines...there ya go Come on....everyone knows it's an unissued sharonettes on Black Magic
Guest Brett F Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 (edited) ..................................... Edited October 14, 2008 by Brett F
Mike Lofthouse Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 (edited) Cover ups massage the egos of the DJ's - nothing else. What a cheek that they do not give credit to the real talent i.e. artists, writers and producers. And it is a bigger insult when they use the name of another performer - one that is still performing today (indeed, one that I paid good money to see in recent years to boot) - do they pay royalties for the use of the name ? The bootleg argument is way out the date now too- it does not detract one bit from the value of a record - might stop it been played by the 'big names' - but who cares about that. Time they grew up and just enjoy the music. Mike Edited October 12, 2008 by Mike Lofthouse
Harry Crosby Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 On thinking about this the golden years of the cover ups has past, those years when people didn`t have the technology or knowledge of the music as there is now, if a new record turns up now that isn`t known then surely with the amount of knowledge amassed over the past decades, it must be a rare record, and if so then why bother covering it
Simon T Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 EIGHT COPIES [at least] covered up, so just how many are there? how long has it been covered? i find it very suprising, that theres eight at least covered, never used to happen eight dj`s with the same cover Well I'm afraid those 8 and Butch can spend the evening peeling the c/u labels off! It's on t'internet for all to see, don't you just love Google!
Baz Atkinson Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 Cover ups massage the egos of the DJ's - nothing else. What a cheek that they do not give credit to the real talent i.e. artists, writers and producers. And it is a bigger insult when they use the name of another performer - one that is still performing today (indeed, one that I paid good money to see in recent years to boot) - do they pay royalties for the use of the name ? The bootleg argument is way out the date now too- it does not detract one bit from the value of a record - might stop it been played by the 'big names' - but who cares about that. Time they grew up and just enjoy the music. Mike Never a truer word spoken think im gonna buy you a beer when I see you next ! BAZ A
Dylan Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 Well I'm afraid those 8 and Butch can spend the evening peeling the c/u labels off! It's on t'internet for all to see, don't you just love Google! my google search didn't work. What did you type into the search engine
Harry Crosby Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 my google search didn't work. What did you type into the search engine
Simon T Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 my google search didn't work. What did you type into the search engine I hate Mark Dobson
Chalky Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 (edited) Jesus, Chalky, what a load of crap, a cover up is by it's very essence , there to be discovered.....MANALIVE...i thought you above all people would agree with that ethos.............. Brett F.........So disappointed I think if you re read it Brett I agree that I love the challenge of trying to find out what a cover up is but I keep any info I might have/get etc to myself and not blab it all over a public forum. If you had a record covered up, one you'd spent a lot of money on you'd be none to pleased if it was uncovered on a forum. And as for the crap about not giving the real artist the credit....the real artist would probably never know his or her record is being played and it's hardly gonna make much difference to their bank balance is it. Do those that pay money for records give a percentage to the artist out of respect and to give them some recognition....like hell they do I bet the majority of those listening, dancing to and buying records couldn't give sh*t about artist recognition Edited October 12, 2008 by chalky
Mike Lofthouse Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 Never a truer word spoken think im gonna buy you a beer when I see you next ! BAZ A We'll enjoy one next week at the Coachman when Pete Foster entertains us with his 'exclusives' an 'cover ups' Lofty (my 'cover up' name)
Baz Atkinson Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 We'll enjoy one next week at the Coachman when Pete Foster entertains us with his 'exclusives' an 'cover ups' Lofty (my 'cover up' name) ah cant do next week Mike having a rest the wifes off to see oasis and im on baby sitter duty lol,its cans in after rugby and ultimate fighting on sentanna catch up with you adam and tommo soon mate. BAZ A
jocko Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 I think this thread proves just why cover ups are an essential and fantastic part of Northern Soul, long may they continue although as Harry says probably much more difficult to find stuff worthy of covering now. Although Mr Dobson and Mr Dyson seem to still be able to find them, maybe why they should be seen as no 1 and no 2 on the "proper" scene these days. Mick H played 2 top quality c/u's at Soul Revolution and it made me tingle knowing people still want to find stuff like that and work with it. The original artist argument just doesn't wash with vinyl, I assume if you are making that statement you buy all the re-issue CD's that are coming out these days? ALthough should probably say thats just my opinion about the hypothetical position of the two Mr D's (even though its a fact IMO ) before I get the usual slating and everyone saying there are lots of people can do just as well!
Mike Lofthouse Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 I meant to say 'Cover ups massage the egos of the DJ's (and their lap dogs) - nothing else. .... Mike
jocko Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 I meant to say 'Cover ups massage the egos of the DJ's (and their lap dogs) - nothing else. .... Mike You didnt answer my question (which admittedly was a general one rather than direct to you, but you do seem keen to continue the debate) do you buy all the re-issue CD's that are around at moment, Kent, Grapevine, Soulscape and other legit reissues?
Prophonics 2029 Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 Found It, all because somebody opened their big mouth last year. I still don't know the other side.
Guest Brett F Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 (edited) ................................................... Edited October 14, 2008 by Brett F
Cunnie Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 So why cover it up! If it's rare then f*** me it's rare......how many cover ups have you.? I have the Fondells on Pzazz, not many folks have that, but i cannot see the point in covering things up in the modern world, a rare record will always be a rare record................... folks will always track these things down in the end...... Simple really Brett. The point 30 years ago was to stop the bootleggers getting them but now it's to stop the little people getting them, i/e us.... Like the new avatar, looks familiar
Prophonics 2029 Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 Simple really Brett. The point 30 years ago was to stop the bootleggers getting them but now it's to stop the little people getting them, i/e us.... Like the new avatar, looks familiar Cunnie! what if your are 20 stone and 6 feet 9 inches are you still classed as a little person?
Guest Brett F Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 (edited) .......................................... Edited October 14, 2008 by Brett F
Lenny Harkins Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 (edited) definately a real record with a unexpected event on the other side , maybe from north america surprise!!..its canadian ..... Edited October 12, 2008 by lenny h.
boba Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 what's so awesome is that i went to google and typed in belita woods and it auto-completed "foolish girl" meaning that many other people have been typing that into google
Prophonics 2029 Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 No. you are a fat Xunt, and if you get in a lift it only goes down............... I have had the record tattooed on my harse so when `I sit on people I can stamp them into small 7inch records and sell them off for profit, where do you think those other 7 discs came from.
Simon T Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 (edited) it canadian ....... Well I didn't get any PMs telling me what it is from those who know, but several asking me what it is! It's true identity is now in the public domain and can be found on two internet sites, both UK based. Perhaps someone on here who actually owns the record might 'uncover' it? Come on you know you want to! (The catalogue number is 1003 and it's from 1969) Edited October 12, 2008 by Simon T
Prophonics 2029 Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 That's it cats out of the bag The Mousses on Horn records.
Lenny Harkins Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 (edited) thats my wife , that is , Im gonna walk right out of your life. Edited October 12, 2008 by lenny h.
Simon T Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 That's it cats out of the bag The Mousses on Horn records. Her name is Rita!
Lenny Harkins Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 Her name is Rita! we know that...jesus christ....teeearaaas i mean teeelll us were we can can get one??
Prophonics 2029 Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 (edited) Her name is Rita! Ooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh. Humm and me and my wife are Brian as well. Edited October 12, 2008 by Prophonics 2029
jocko Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 Simple really Brett. The point 30 years ago was to stop the bootleggers getting them but now it's to stop the little people getting them, i/e us.... Like the new avatar, looks familiar Martin that is almost more an EMS type Northern comment I would suggest!! I would actually suggest given forums high publicity for any hot new item, and the ease of MP3's these days the chances of vinyl carvers appearing are more likely than a Soussain boot, and therefore they are more necessary now, although agree not that easy to find records that should be covered up. I dont often disagree with Mr Franklin but not with you on this one old man, was going to use my usual you either get it or you dont but wouldnt want you assaulting me with a toilet brush at next years essence Brett! :lol: PS I dont know what the record is and quite like that in a perverse sort of way PPS I may not be the best person to comment on this as I covered up a Big Maybelle record way back in the day for Colin Law to play, he got lots of stick for covering up a record everyone would know and I sneaked out the side door leaving him to take the stick. It was 1982 and we were fresh faced youths, honest.
Guest Brett F Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 (edited) ................................... Edited October 14, 2008 by Brett F
Mike Lofthouse Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 You didnt answer my question (which admittedly was a general one rather than direct to you, but you do seem keen to continue the debate) do you buy all the re-issue CD's that are around at moment, Kent, Grapevine, Soulscape and other legit reissues? Well I didn't answer your question because I had no idea you were asking me one - you didn't quote my original post so I had no idea that ....... 'The original artist argument just doesn't wash with vinyl, I assume if you are making that statement you buy all the re-issue CD's that are coming out these days?' .....was aimed at me and in any case I don't understand the question however if you are asking me ..'do you buy all the re-issue CD's that are around at moment, Kent, Grapevine, Soulscape and other legit reissues?' .....the answer is NO but that is because I can't afford to buy EVERY CD I want, I do buy a fair proportion - particualry Kent and I go to great lengths to support the output of of all of the Grapevine , Soulscape, Selecta family of labels on both vinyl and CD - why I even got a credit on one ....f**K me - 52 years old and I'm still arguing the toss about cover ups Mike
Simon T Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 Who got it off Manship then ? Me https://www.raresoulman.co.uk/d/161090/TIARAS
Simon M Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 (edited) Me https://www.raresoulman.co.uk/d/161090/TIARAS So tell me, how do you know when he puts new stock up? Edited October 12, 2008 by Simon M
Cunnie Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 Martin that is almost more an EMS type Northern comment I would suggest!! I would actually suggest given forums high publicity for any hot new item, and the ease of MP3's these days the chances of vinyl carvers appearing are more likely than a Soussain boot, and therefore they are more necessary now, although agree not that easy to find records that should be covered up. I dont often disagree with Mr Franklin but not with you on this one old man, was going to use my usual you either get it or you dont but wouldnt want you assaulting me with a toilet brush at next years essence Brett! PS I dont know what the record is and quite like that in a perverse sort of way PPS I may not be the best person to comment on this as I covered up a Big Maybelle record way back in the day for Colin Law to play, he got lots of stick for covering up a record everyone would know and I sneaked out the side door leaving him to take the stick. It was 1982 and we were fresh faced youths, honest. Guess I've been reading too many of your posts on there Jock Whole concept of cover up's is a bit pointless now really. Think they're just penis extentions for a certain few so called top DJ's to be honest (another EMSism? ). Remember when Gene Toones was still covered up way back in the early 80s & I asked a DJ if he could play it. He spat the dummy out big style & said he'd get me thrown out of the venue if I told anyone but didn't realise I worked for the promoters. He calmed down later on & asked me how I knew what it was & I told him that the last time he played it you could see through the paper he'd covered it with
paultp Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 Me https://www.raresoulman.co.uk/d/161090/TIARAS I just thought I'd been really clever finding it on google only to see this posted 20 minutes ago. Doh!
Steve G Posted October 13, 2008 Posted October 13, 2008 Wow you "hounds" have been really clever finding out who this is........but I am afraid to say this record hasn't been such a big secret as some of you like to think. Love the great big piece of detective work on here guys - but Tim Brown actually reviewed it in Manifesto about 3-4 years ago uncovered.....if you'd been dutifully reading his column like good boys and girls......you could have saved yourself a lot of time and efort........anyway keep googling away
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