Ernie Andrews Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 John has a reat deal of knowledge and due respect should be given to him. The times he upsets me is when he should be openly honest and retract statements like "in its rarest form" That would suggest he is the only person who knows and he has been proved wrong on occasions. The other is taking advantage of a given situation and its easy to criticise a business man who is just doing his job. However he can be oportunist sometimes which demeans his credibility as a soul connoseur. Due to financial pressure I had to sell a few bits on ebay- I got an amazing price for a record I did not expect more than£70 for (New Wanderers-This man in love) Johns guide at the time was £75.00 I got £225.00 from a guy in Germany- A week later John has acopy on his auction starting at I think £200. I think this was opportunist as his start price was nowhere near his price guide. I hope you understand what I therefore mean by this. You can have knowledge and profess yourselfas the Guru but when it involves money he is just as cutthroat as anyone else. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Garethx Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 One thing occurs to me about JM's current auction: Johnny Summers "I'm Still Yours" at less than "Dearly Beloved." Does someone out there know something I don't? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Spanner Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 John`s never done much wrong in my book either. His records may seem more expensive but his service has always been quick and reliable. And the grading of his stuff is accurate.If he states anything`s mint-you can be sure it is. And I don`t mind paying a little extra if everything`s right...But he has done a few things wrong in my book..like selling that cottonpickin` price guide to the Americans..and ruining it for us over here...Would we have all these attempted scams by Americans on eBay for records that don`t exist otherwise? No of course not..We`d still be buying records from the States (like my avatar) for next to nothing instead of for thousands.....Our buddies from the States are ready for us now...... link why shoudnt he sell is price guides to any one ? he is a buisness man so why shoudnt he make money on his books ,will the yanks buy is english price guide which shoul;d be out in a couple off weeks ,and if they are i will be selling them at stafford 30aprill spanner [not just krs m8 but jms 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dennisoul Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 THE OLD MASTERCARD AND THE SEXY VISA HAS MADE ITS MARK IN THE NORTHERN WORLD FOLKS AS WE ALL KNOW,I`VE DONE IT MYSELF FOR THAT ELUSIVE SOUND.IT CAN BE A BIT SORE AND A BIT RE-DIK-A-LUS,BUT ITS OUR OWN PREFERECE WHAT WAY WE SPEND OUR HARD EARNED CASH,SOMETIMES ITS A CASE OF WHAT HAVE I DONE.WE`VE AW BEEN THEIR AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER. NORTHERN SOUL IS WHAT KEEPS US COLLECTING WITH SUCH PASSION,I COULD BE WRONG.ITS NOT THE DEALERS FAULT,WE COULD SAY NO JUST LIKE ZAMMO. ANDY D Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 John's got Jerry Naylor up on auction at the moment £339 (glad I beat a lot of you to Kennys sales list a few months ago) Also Ed Bruce - I'm Gonna Have A Party - Wand, going to be interesting to see what this goes for after we discussed it on here a while ago Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 Great idea. Can you find me a Chapter 5 please? He's got one on there at the moment. Nail on the head. He does get hard to find records, if you have the cash why wait a year or more until another one comes up? And you know that if it says mint it's going to be just that. link Have only ever heard this played out by Denny Johnson and Terry Davis, brilliant record Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 John's got Jerry Naylor up on auction at the moment £339 (glad I beat a lot of you to Kennys sales list a few months ago) Also Ed Bruce - I'm Gonna Have A Party - Wand, going to be interesting to see what this goes for after we discussed it on here a while ago link Jerry Naylor was on e-bay not so long ago...went for a about £70 if I remember rightly, nearly bought it myself to sell on Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Jerry Naylor was on e-bay not so long ago...went for a about £70 if I remember rightly, nearly bought it myself to sell on link Ed Bruce was on ebay a year or so back. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Jerry Naylor was on e-bay not so long ago...went for a about £70 if I remember rightly, nearly bought it myself to sell on link Bet you wished you had now Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Ed Bruce was on ebay a year or so back. link Be interesting to see what this one reaches on John's auction, any idea what that one went for? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Bet you wished you had now link Not really, records come and go...there's always more if you miss out on one or let one go. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Be interesting to see what this one reaches on John's auction, any idea what that one went for? link From memory Janine it was c. $500. Which would equate to about £275 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
vaultofsouler Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 (edited) From memory Janine it was c. $500. Which would equate to about £275 link Sorry Steve.... but I always thought Manship's auctions were in ££££'s anyway.... unless he's now on the dot-com US sites as well and has linked it to his dot-co-dot-uk (a la ebay).... So is that 500 in ££££'s or $$$$'s.... .... Edited April 19, 2005 by vaultofsouler Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Sorry Steve.... but I always thought Manship's auctions were in ££££'s anyway.... unless he's now on the dot-com US sites as well and has linked it to his dot-co-dot-uk (a la ebay).... So is that 500 in ££££'s or $$$$'s.... .... link " Derrrrrrrrrrrrr" ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
vaultofsouler Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 " Derrrrrrrrrrrrr" ? link .... what's "der" about that post Steve.... the guy's quoting $$$$'s for JM's auctions when they're all done in ££££'s.... If it's £500 then it's well overpriced for Ed Bruce - I'm Gonna Have A Party (Wand) but not perhaps a JM auction.... if it's $500 (£275) then it's quite cheap for a normal JM auction.... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 .... what's "der" about that post Steve.... the guy's quoting $$$$'s for JM's auctions when they're all done in ££££'s.... If it's £500 then it's well overpriced for Ed Bruce - I'm Gonna Have A Party (Wand) but not perhaps a JM auction.... if it's $500 (£275) then it's quite cheap for a normal JM auction.... link One of us has read the thread wrongly Mark. If its me, I apologise. (But I think its You ) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
davidwapples Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 according to his guide the last one he auctioned before his guide was published was £310 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
vaultofsouler Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 One of us has read the thread wrongly Mark. If its me, I apologise. (But I think its You ) link I read it, Steve, as Janine asking for a finishing price on Ed Bruce on JM's auction and Steve replying with a price in $$$$'s.... so was querying the $$$$'s answer when JM deals in ££££'s.... if I've missed summat then I'm a twat .... if not then couldn't understand the "der" bit .... Sod it.... summat to eat and a re-read of full full thread for me .... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 I read it, Steve, as Janine asking for a finishing price on Ed Bruce on JM's auction and Steve replying with a price in $$$$'s.... so was querying the $$$$'s answer when JM deals in ££££'s.... if I've missed summat then I'm a twat .... if not then couldn't understand the "der" bit .... Sod it.... summat to eat and a re-read of full full thread for me .... link Gracious in defeat, as ever Steve Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
vaultofsouler Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Gracious in defeat, as ever Steve link So it's YOU who should read the thread properly .... mind you it's a bit late in the day for you to be "online" .... unless you've now got a PC at home now or you're "working late" .... Luv you bro .... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 So it's YOU who should read the thread properly .... mind you it's a bit late in the day for you to be "online" .... unless you've now got a PC at home now or you're "working late" .... Luv you bro .... link Mark, Start with Steve G's post today at 6.52pm. Steve Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
vaultofsouler Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Mark, Start with Steve G's post today at 6.52pm. Steve link .... you do know 4+4=5 in my house Steve .... well that's my excuse mate apart from the fact I've been in "ale house" last 3 hours and it's taking me an age to type at the mo .... Apologies going your way mate .... p.s. note to self.... read the f**** threads properly before replying .... end of note .... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 .... you do know 4+4=5 in my house Steve .... well that's my excuse mate apart from the fact I've been in "ale house" last 3 hours and it's taking me an age to type at the mo .... Apologies going your way mate .... p.s. note to self.... read the f**** threads properly before replying .... end of note .... link No don't that was funny Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gary Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 .... you do know 4+4=5 in my house Steve .... well that's my excuse mate apart from the fact I've been in "ale house" last 3 hours and it's taking me an age to type at the mo .... Apologies going your way mate .... p.s. note to self.... read the f**** threads properly before replying .... end of note .... link Stooped pi**ed i think is the Lincolnshire term Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Stooped pi**ed i think is the Lincolnshire term link You guys all OK on this now? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Rich Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 John's got Jerry Naylor up on auction at the moment £339 (glad I beat a lot of you to Kennys sales list a few months ago) link I didn't see your ears bleeding at Cleethorpes the other week Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Rich Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Have only ever heard this played out by Denny Johnson and Terry Davis, brilliant record link Jimmy Eddleston often played at the Con Club in Lincoln 94ish - and also I think at early Wiltons before they drew the curtains across Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mace Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 (edited) Have only ever heard this played out by Denny Johnson and Terry Davis, brilliant record link Had a heart stopping moment with my copy of Chapter 5 many years ago at a Mod weekender on the Isle of Wight. Was DJing whilst p*ssed (not the norm for me.... ) and for some reason picked my copy up off the deck as it had just finished and threw it spinning into the air about 3 or 4 feet high....intending to catch it as it came back down (don't ask why I did this cus I honestly don't know !) Anyway, didn't catch it, but watched horrified as it landed on it's edge, between my feet onto the carpet, and rolled under the decks and onto a full dancefloor. Managed to fling music off in a nano second and shout 'Stand still, nobody move' to a bemused audience as it weaved its way, unharmed through countless legs and feet. : Retrieved the bugger from said dancefloor, and returned it to the safety of my playbox, where it still sits today. I have obviously never repeated this insane trick since...........though I do still get p*ssed occasionaly whilst DJing.... Edited April 19, 2005 by Mace Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 (edited) I know people who've sold through him... and I've purchased off the auction..... I recently sent him some items, and he must have a rack of things to auction, cos thay ain't gone up yet.... If he was auctioning phantom records, then surely mine would have been up for sale earlier... after all 10% of my final price is better than bogger all.... WOOF! link I SENT HIM 20 RECORDS AND LIKE YOU STILL WAITING FOR THEM TO GO, BUT MAJESTICS HE GOT £440 FOR ME Edited April 19, 2005 by keo Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 I didn't see your ears bleeding at Cleethorpes the other week link Ear plug's I was ill just as the act came on and spent the rest of the do in the car sleeping Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 I´ve known John since ´75 always has had top sounds to sell,not only that but always has loads of unknowns if you can be bothered to take the trouble to sit and search through,saves the time(and cost) of flying to the states! Steve you've got it nailed on mate, loads of unknowns (well to me). I've picked up bundles of semi knowns and reasonably priced records from John Manship, never bothered with the auction, seems to be (as has already been mentioned) certain items go for strange prices. Still maintain with a bit of detective work either through lists or www and of course getting out and about and simply spending time looking at records, be it at nights/nighters or just visiting used record shops i can occasionally turn up things on my wanted list for the right price. Brett Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
vaultofsouler Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 No don't that was funny link Could be a few more Janine as off for two weeks so there'll be one or two "afters sessions" and no doubt will forget "note to self" .... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sweeney Posted April 20, 2005 Share Posted April 20, 2005 Great idea. Can you find me a Chapter 5 please? He's got one on there at the moment. Nail on the head. He does get hard to find records, if you have the cash why wait a year or more until another one comes up? And you know that if it says mint it's going to be just that. link Why is this record so highly regarded? Is it a "Mod" sound? They sound white to me. With regard to finding records - surely now as a result of THE AUCTION the records to a certain extent find him - many people have admitted to sending him stuff to auction - causing quite a backlog of desirable records waiting their place in the sun. Makes you wonder - when a particular record comes up for auction how many further copies are waiting for the underbidders? Or perhaps I'm being overly cynical. Those with the money obviously get what they want - this is life, not just record collecting. But it just takes the fun out of it. Ferreting about either on the internet or in shops is part and parcel of the whole experience as far as I'm concerned. Re. Manship & condition. In my experience: Mint - Fine, Mint Minus - OK(ish), Anything else: Caveat Emptor. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Paul R Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 Why is this record so highly regarded? Is it a "Mod" sound? They sound white to me. link Just one of those white sounds played on the Northern scene years ago. The band are from Barrow In Furness apparently and also recorded a substandard version of One In A Million. BTW anyone know what the Tiffanies went for? I nearly put one on ebay last year, but thought it probably wouldn't reach what I would want for it. Paul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Paul R Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 Had a heart stopping moment with my copy of Chapter 5 many years ago at a Mod weekender on the Isle of Wight. Was DJing whilst p*ssed (not the norm for me.... ) and for some reason picked my copy up off the deck as it had just finished and threw it spinning into the air about 3 or 4 feet high....intending to catch it as it came back down (don't ask why I did this cus I honestly don't know !) Anyway, didn't catch it, but watched horrified as it landed on it's edge, between my feet onto the carpet, and rolled under the decks and onto a full dancefloor. Managed to fling music off in a nano second and shout 'Stand still, nobody move' to a bemused audience as it weaved its way, unharmed through countless legs and feet. : Retrieved the bugger from said dancefloor, and returned it to the safety of my playbox, where it still sits today. I have obviously never repeated this insane trick since...........though I do still get p*ssed occasionaly whilst DJing.... link Did the same thing at a youth club in the early 73 when I spun the record in the air, my seat tipped back, the record hit the floor and the chair leg came back down straight onto the vinyl. Fortunately it was only Bob Kuban "The Cheater" on UK Bell, but as a 14 year old I was pretty upset. I have got over it now. Paul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 Why is this record so highly regarded? Is it a "Mod" sound? They sound white to me. link Probably because it's expensive They are white and from Barrow In Furness Shite IMO. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sweeney Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 Probably because it's expensive They are white and from Barrow In Furness Shite IMO. link Chalky - that's a cynical view Surely people on the scene buy records for quality reasons rather than their rarity. I'm amazed to hear that this may not always be the case! I think I've heard it all now - Detroit, Chicago, Memphis, New York, Cumbria! Keep it real! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 Chalky - that's a cynical view Surely people on the scene buy records for quality reasons rather than their rarity. I'm amazed to hear that this may not always be the case! I think I've heard it all now - Detroit, Chicago, Memphis, New York, Cumbria! Keep it real! link Me? cynical? I've heard many a dj play shite records just because they are rare and expensive so by this I presume some records are just interesting to some because of the price tag Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon T Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 (edited) Chalky - that's a cynical view  Surely people on the scene buy records for quality reasons rather than their rarity. I'm amazed to hear that this may not always be the case! I think I've heard it all now - Detroit, Chicago, Memphis, New York, Cumbria! Keep it real! link keep it real??????????????????? hi john Edited April 21, 2005 by Hippo Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sweeney Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 Me? cynical? I've heard many a dj play shite records just because they are rare and expensive so by this I presume some records are just interesting to some because of the price tag link Maybe it's time for a new thread - The Emperor's New Clothes - A Top Ten Super Rare Soul Sounds that are in fact overrated rubbish - What the hell - I'm going to start one! Should be interesting to see the fur fly! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon T Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 Maybe it's time for a new thread - The Emperor's New Clothes - A Top Ten Super Rare Soul Sounds that are in fact overrated rubbish - What the hell - I'm going to start one! Should be interesting to see the fur fly! link rarest of the rare John? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sweeney Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 keep it real??????????????????? hi john link Sorry, couldn't find an "ironic" or "sarcastic" Smiley to go with that phrase. Who is this John of which you speak? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 How the hell does he do it Velvettes at £400+ and thats just one example link With an hour to go on this weeks auction, a Tobi Legend demo is already at £595. Same bidder (who appears to buy a lot off John) is leading the John Bowie bidding at £315. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Dan Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 Same bidder (who appears to buy a lot off John) is leading the John Bowie bidding at £315. link how odd sure it's all above board though Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 (edited) how odd sure it's all above board though link Didn't mean it like that Dan. Meant a regular buyer. Also buys on Ebay Steve ps any other classy records to sell me ? Edited April 27, 2005 by BLADEFORLIFE Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Dan Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 Didn't mean it like that Dan. Meant a regular buyer. Also buys on Ebay Steve ps any other classy records to sell me ? link oops sorry steve shouldn't drag you into my cynical world! as for records, wish i had after your prompt payment last time. dream deal, my missus was able to go shopping at the weekend after all! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 oops sorry steve shouldn't drag you into my cynical world! as for records, wish i had after your prompt payment last time. dream deal, my missus was able to go shopping at the weekend after all! link Mine wasn't Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Iancsloft Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 Jimmy Eddleston often played at the Con Club in Lincoln 94ish - and also I think at early Wiltons before they drew the curtains across link =================================================== Was played by myself at The Sounds of Soul do,s at Leigh Legion & Earlstown Irish Club 88--92 IAN C Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 (edited) Edited April 27, 2005 by chalky Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Driveller Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 Didn't see tonight's closing prices - what did Tobi Legend go for in the end? Nick Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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