I Really Rate This Version

[Northern Soul Uk]

Just recieved a mint copy of 'Susan Maughan - That other place' through the post. What a fabulous version this is. Really pleased I found one, they seem to be getting quite scarce. I managed to pick this one up for £14 and I think it's worth every penny and more besides. I know it wasn't one of Susans big hits so not sure how many of this sold on it's release in 1964? 'That other place' is actually the 'B' side, with 'Little things mean a lot' on the 'A'. I spent around 2 months looking for a mint copy, so don't think it's that readily available.

Any thoughts on this fantastic female version of the 'Wade Flemmons' classic?

Thanks

Edited October 9, 2008 by steveluigi

[Guest Gogs]

brilliant record had one in my box for about 3 years now (mint-) but i got it for a fiver inc. p&p

[chrissie]

been looking for thi for a while, not very hard i must admit but if anyone has a copy they wnt to sell PM me

QoFxx

[Prophonics 2029]

Its great but near the end she says something and it sounds dead Durham but its cute.

[Pete S]

It's not hard to find or expensive - but I agree with all of you, it's a great version

[Guest TONY ROUNCE]

Not much to choose between Susan and Wade on "That Other Place", really (apart from the difference in price!) - they're both great.

Can also recommend another later Susan Maughan 45, "Call On Me" for anyone who likes the likes of Dusty Springfield's "I Only Want to Be With You" and "Stay Awhile". Big, busy production, with Ivor Raymonde at the controls. Could almost be a Dusty outtake really. Great version of Diane Renay's "Kiss Me Sailor" on the A side, possibly even better than Diane's original IMO.

[Guest livisoul]

Just recieved a mint copy of 'Susan Maughan - That other place' through the post. What a fabulous version this is. Really pleased I found one, they seem to be getting quite scarce. I managed to pick this one up for £14 and I think it's worth every penny and more besides. I know it wasn't one of Susans big hits so not sure how many of this sold on it's release in 1964? 'That other place' is actually the 'B' side, with 'Little things mean a lot' on the 'A'. I spent around 2 months looking for a mint copy, so don't think it's that readily available.

Any thoughts on this fantastic female version of the 'Wade Flemmons' classic?

Thanks

i found this on a susan maughan LP in amongst all my parents old LP's

[Guest]

been looking for thi for a while, not very hard i must admit but if anyone has a copy they wnt to sell PM me

QoFxx

https://www.gemm.com/item/MAUGHAN-c-SUSAN/THAT--OTHER--PLACE/GML296248879/

[Chalky]

Wade the version for me.

[Davetay]

Wade the version for me.

With you 100% on this one.

[grant]

susan for me

[Mrtag]

Isn't she Engish and sang "Bobby's Girl".....Quite sure l saw her on Crackerjack when l was a kid!

Same One!! Think she won a Cabbage and a Crackerjack Pencil. :lol:

Edited July 30, 2010 by mrtag

[Guest]

First single i got sent through the post, sent me the wrong one anyway got 3 lps with it on cost £3 for all three, the single was a tenner i never got back.

[Guest Brian Ellis]

Why does a pop cover version of a soul masterpiece receive such credibility - there's nothing particularly soulful about the SM version IMHO.

A 1960s Duffy perhaps?

[Pete S]

There's an entire topic about this somewhere, all because I said I preferred the Susan maughan version, and the reason why I prefer it has nothing to do with soul, it's just a better arrangement with some great brass riffs, and she sings it really well too. You don't HAVE to say you prefer the 'black' version. The biggest debate we have ever had on here was when I said I really liked Georgie Fame's version of 'Sitting in the park', that one got really heated and introduced us to Chorleysoul

[Guest TONY ROUNCE]

There's an entire topic about this somewhere, all because I said I preferred the Susan maughan version, and the reason why I prefer it has nothing to do with soul, it's just a better arrangement with some great brass riffs, and she sings it really well too. You don't HAVE to say you prefer the 'black' version. The biggest debate we have ever had on here was when I said I really liked Georgie Fame's version of 'Sitting in the park', that one got really heated and introduced us to Chorleysoul

Step away from that door, Pete...

[Guest JIM BARRY]

really like susans version, she was never off the telly in the 60s

[Guest TONY ROUNCE]

A 1960s Duffy perhaps?

'Perhaps' not.

Susan Maughan was never marketed as a soul artist, not - I suspect - would she claim to be one.

There's no musical similarity between her and the squeaky Welsh person at all.

[Guest Brian Ellis]

'Perhaps' not.

Susan Maughan was never marketed as a soul artist, not - I suspect - would she claim to be one.

There's no musical similarity between her and the squeaky Welsh person at all.

Marketed as a soul artist or not is irrelevant. The Duffy comparison is in relation to the way in which she is being lauded here on Soul Source - just like Duffy was a little while ago.

[Guest topcatnumpty1]

Did you know that Susan was from the north east and her dad had The Bishop Blaize pub in Richmond Market place in the early 60,s!!!

Did ya know that Webby??

Tony

[Pete S]

Marketed as a soul artist or not is irrelevant. The Duffy comparison is in relation to the way in which she is being lauded here on Soul Source - just like Duffy was a little while ago.

Lauded? SOmebody just said they liked one of her records FFS

[Dave Abbott]

Wade the version for me.

EXACTLY 100%

if it weren't for the Wade version this would not be getting a look-in. There really is nothing about this version to put it near WF's.

[Pete S]

EXACTLY 100%

if it weren't for the Wade version this would not be getting a look-in. There really is nothing about this version to put it near WF's.

It's as good as if not better. I prefer this version. You prefer that version. And so on til the end of time. For fucks sake, allow people to have their own opinions people.

[Dave Abbott]

It's as good as if not better. I prefer this version. You prefer that version. And so on til the end of time. For fucks sake, allow people to have their own opinions people.

Pete - that is exactly what I was doing....having my own opinion

[Godzilla]

Marketed as a soul artist or not is irrelevant. The Duffy comparison is in relation to the way in which she is being lauded here on Soul Source - just like Duffy was a little while ago.

You know that bit in The Commitments about "The Irish are the blacks of Europe and Dubliners are the blacks of Ireland"?

Maybe Durham is a bit like that...

Edited August 2, 2010 by Godzilla

[Pete S]

Pete - that is exactly what I was doing....having my own opinion

No it's the 'if it wasn't for' bit, the Susan maughan is a great record in it's own right, Wade Flemons or not, if I'd never heard WF I'd still like SM so (in my opinion) it does have it's own merits.

[Mark Jones]

Nice Dustyesque version (mind you think Dusty would have done it better) but you just can't compare to Wade Flemons surely?

60's pop verses 60's soul...no which I prefer by a zillion miles!

[Dave Abbott]

No it's the 'if it wasn't for' bit, the Susan maughan is a great record in it's own right, Wade Flemons or not, if I'd never heard WF I'd still like SM so (in my opinion) it does have it's own merits.

ah, yes i see what you mean; but in the same stance i am saaying if WF was not around this S maughan would not get a look in

[Guest Brian Ellis]

ah, yes i see what you mean; but in the same stance i am saaying if WF was not around this S maughan would not get a look in

I just can't for the life of me understand why any pop artist, who just because they cover a soul classic, gets any time of day on here. Susan Maughan is a pop artist - maybe good pop artist in her own right - but not a soul singer.

If she is of value to this site why are we not discussing her version of Bobby's Girl? Or what about her 'Kiss Me Sailor'? Or her version of 'Hand a Handerchief to Helen'?

We'll be having a Pinky and Perky version of 'Dearly Beloved' getting some drooling next

[Mark Jones]

We'll be having a Pinky and Perky version of 'Dearly Beloved' getting some drooling next

Oooh...now that I would like...I have Tingha and Tucker's version (auntie Jean on backing vocals) of Do you Believe it (aussie issue)

Boomerang Boomerang!

Hey Cliff?...oooops...gone off on a tangent slightly!

Edited August 2, 2010 by soulechoes

[Pete S]

Nice Dustyesque version (mind you think Dusty would have done it better) but you just can't compare to Wade Flemons surely?

60's pop verses 60's soul...no which I prefer by a zillion miles!

Sorry, I prefer the 'pop' version. When it comes to Northern Soul I don't see the colour of peoples skin. I like the original, I like the cover, I prefer the cover because the arrangement is better.

[Pete S]

I just can't for the life of me understand why any pop artist, who just because they cover a soul classic, gets any time of day on here. Susan Maughan is a pop artist - maybe good pop artist in her own right - but not a soul singer.

If she is of value to this site why are we not discussing her version of Bobby's Girl? Or what about her 'Kiss Me Sailor'? Or her version of 'Hand a Handerchief to Helen'?

We'll be having a Pinky and Perky version of 'Dearly Beloved' getting some drooling next

And that post is exactly why a lot of people think Soul Source is full of up-there-own-arses soul snobs. Nice one. Tell Dean Parrish he can't sing soulfully, I dare you.

Hey guess what, it may amaze you to discover that a lot of people actually like and enjoy other types of music other than soul, 60's pop included.

[Guest JIM BARRY]

Sorry, I prefer the 'pop' version. When it comes to Northern Soul I don't see the colour of peoples skin. I like the original, I like the cover, I prefer the cover because the arrangement is better.

i prefer the arrangement on susan maugham too. its the same with a lot of british major label covers imo abigger budget and using the original to try and improve on.

[KevH]

i was brought up on Sandie Shaw,Lulu,Susan Maughan,Cilla ,Helen Shapiro's amongst the Chubby Checker,Emile Ford's etc etc..so SM will always have a special place for me.

Something quite nice about knowing its on UK Philips as well.

[Pete S]

i prefer the arrangement on susan maugham too. its the same with a lot of british major label covers imo abigger budget and using the original to try and improve on.

Allelujah, thanks Jim.

There's another record, Leonard Whiting (on Pye) doing a cover of Walter Jackson's Thats What mama Said, now nobody in their right mind would say Leonard Whiting can hold a candle to Walter Jackson vocally, but the arrangement of the record is better on the UK one than on the US one, so I prefer that version. It's not a hanging offence.

[Pete S]

i was brought up on Sandie Shaw,Lulu,Susan Maughan,Cilla ,Helen Shapiro's amongst the Chubby Checker,Emile Ford's etc etc..so SM will always have a special place for me.

Something quite nice about knowing its on UK Philips as well.

There was some stupendous music made in the 60's, I've got some 25,000 tracks in my itunes and 15,000 of those must be 60's, I'd say only 20% if that are soul music, 60's pop music is just brilliant. Girl groups, psychedelia, freakbeat, harmony pop, Beatles and so on...music that'll last forever. It's not a crime to love 60's pop music as well as soul.

[Guest JIM BARRY]

Allelujah, thanks Jim.

There's another record, Leonard Whiting (on Pye) doing a cover of Walter Jackson's Thats What mama Said, now nobody in their right mind would say Leonard Whiting can hold a candle to Walter Jackson vocally, but the arrangement of the record is better on the UK one than on the US one, so I prefer that version. It's not a hanging offence.

ala my ship is coming in the walker brothers

[Guest Brian Ellis]

And that post is exactly why a lot of people think Soul Source is full of up-there-own-arses soul snobs. Nice one. Tell Dean Parrish he can't sing soulfully, I dare you.

Hey guess what, it may amaze you to discover that a lot of people actually like and enjoy other types of music other than soul, 60's pop included.

I don't deny that. I too like and enjoy other types of music - classical music being one of them - but surely SS is not the place for serious discussion about them; you wont find me commenting on the Biblical interpretation of Handel's Messiah here on SS (or even his cover version of Frank Wilson ).. You obviously don't know me if you think I'm any kind of snob - let alone soul snob .

Remind me where I said anything about Dean Parrish - that's a complete red herring. We were discussing Susan Maughan and I exercised my right to express my view - as I did about Duffy a couple of years ago.

I sincerely hold my view about the profile given to pop cover versions of soul standards (or sound-alikes) - which is as sincerely held as your view on 70s soul music - we may not agree, but respect mine as I do yours.

Brian

Edited August 2, 2010 by Brian Ellis

[Pete S]

I don't deny that. I too like and enjoy other types of music - classical music being one of them - but surely SS is not the place for serious discussion about them; you wont find me commenting on the Biblical interpretation of Handel's Messiah here on SS (or even his cover version of Frank Wilson ).. You obviously don't know me if you think I'm any kind of snob - let alone soul snob .

Remind me where I said anything about Dean Parrish - that's a complete red herring. We were discussing Susan Maughan and I exercised my right to express my view - as I did about Duffy a couple of years ago.

I sincerely hold my view about the profile given to pop cover versions of soul standards (or sound-alikes) - which is as sincerely held as your view on 70s soul music - we may not agree, but respect mine as I do yours.

Brian

I'm not saying you're a snob, I'm saying that that is the sort of thing that people who are not on this forum look at and think - my God, I'm glad I'm not involved. It may be, whats the word, an oxymoron(?) but Northern Soul doesn't necessarily have to equate to SOUL per se, there are hundreds of great Northern Soul records which aren't soul, and thats why we should be able to say that we like the other version of That Other Place without fear of retribution!

Duffy can't sing to save her life and her record was terrible and only linked to NS by the fact it had a retro sound and some NS dancers in the video. The Susan maughan record is a good midtempo dancer. OK put it another way, I've only saved about 6 records from my UK collection (I sold my Chapter 5 on friday) and they include Esther phillips "just say goodbye", willie tee "walking up a one way street", Manchesters Playboys "I feel so good", benny Spellman "Fortune teller", Jimmy Beaumont "You got too much going for you" and Susan maughan "That other place". The rest have gone.

[dthedrug]

I'm not saying you're a snob, I'm saying that that is the sort of thing that people who are not on this forum look at and think - my God, I'm glad I'm not involved. It may be, whats the word, an oxymoron(?) but Northern Soul doesn't necessarily have to equate to SOUL per se, there are hundreds of great Northern Soul records which aren't soul, and thats why we should be able to say that we like the other version of That Other Place without fear of retribution!

Duffy can't sing to save her life and her record was terrible and only linked to NS by the fact it had a retro sound and some NS dancers in the video. The Susan maughan record is a good midtempo dancer. OK put it another way, I've only saved about 6 records from my UK collection (I sold my Chapter 5 on friday) and they include Esther phillips "just say goodbye", willie tee "walking up a one way street", Manchesters Playboys "I feel so good", benny Spellman "Fortune teller", Jimmy Beaumont "You got too much going for you" and Susan maughan "That other place". The rest have gone.

Hi All....I must agree with you Pete I have been told there are 3 more versins of the other place, I have no idea of artists I supose it would not be that hard to find out if you contacted the Music Publisher, AAAHHH! the stench of Soho and walking down TIN PAN ALLEY, Just come into my mind for some odd reason! Lesley Gores "Thats what Boys.." on MERCURY UK, this record has never been mentioned to my Knowlage? but it was played in the end of the Wheel and Up the Junction/Torch and Northamptonshire Bedfordshire, Dig it out of your Junk box as the 45 has a pedagree, dont forget to put your 1970/1 ears on, I have always liked it, The Duffy thing is easy to explaine it quite claer to me she can Knock out a record but she has no Soul! yet to some they say they can here soul, DtheDRUG can only here the sound of tills taking in the $£$£$$ My logic is unlike our white girl singers who coverd black girl singers songs, and were clearly inspired to emulate them, DUFFY is trying to sing in a retro style to a Retro Northern Soul Beat, I like her songs however there is no comparrason GOD Bless Ele Grenwhich RIP as she wrote and produced many great tune and sings one of my top 10 tunes "BABY" RED BIRD, how great a record and must be over the £100 mark? YES? NO? DAVE

[Guest Brian Ellis]

I'm not saying you're a snob, I'm saying that that is the sort of thing that people who are not on this forum look at and think - my God, I'm glad I'm not involved. It may be, whats the word, an oxymoron(?) but Northern Soul doesn't necessarily have to equate to SOUL per se, there are hundreds of great Northern Soul records which aren't soul, and thats why we should be able to say that we like the other version of That Other Place without fear of retribution!

Duffy can't sing to save her life and her record was terrible and only linked to NS by the fact it had a retro sound and some NS dancers in the video. The Susan maughan record is a good midtempo dancer. OK put it another way, I've only saved about 6 records from my UK collection (I sold my Chapter 5 on friday) and they include Esther phillips "just say goodbye", willie tee "walking up a one way street", Manchesters Playboys "I feel so good", benny Spellman "Fortune teller", Jimmy Beaumont "You got too much going for you" and Susan maughan "That other place". The rest have gone.

Thanks for the reply Pete. I too feel I should be able to express my honestly held views equally without fear of retribution. So let's call a truce on this one.

Although, whilst I'm shooting out now and don't have the time, perhaps at a later point I'll try to put into words - not in any antagonistic sense - why I see things my way. And hopefully a less emotionally charged discussion can ensue.,

Brian

Edited August 4, 2010 by Brian Ellis

[dthedrug]

I'm not saying you're a snob, I'm saying that that is the sort of thing that people who are not on this forum look at and think - my God, I'm glad I'm not involved. It may be, whats the word, an oxymoron(?) but Northern Soul doesn't necessarily have to equate to SOUL per se, there are hundreds of great Northern Soul records which aren't soul, and thats why we should be able to say that we like the other version of That Other Place without fear of retribution!

Duffy can't sing to save her life and her record was terrible and only linked to NS by the fact it had a retro sound and some NS dancers in the video. The Susan maughan record is a good midtempo dancer. OK put it another way, I've only saved about 6 records from my UK collection (I sold my Chapter 5 on friday) and they include Esther phillips "just say goodbye", willie tee "walking up a one way street", Manchesters Playboys "I feel so good", benny Spellman "Fortune teller", Jimmy Beaumont "You got too much going for you" and Susan maughan "That other place". The rest have gone.

HI ALL...PETE FURTHER STUFF TO MY COMENTS THAT I MADE REGUARDING LESLEY GORE!/,,,,,I WAS VERY INTERESTED IN THAT STATEMENT RECUARDING SELLING CHAPTURE 5, I ASUME YOU ARE ON ABOUT YOUR ISSUE

AND THE RECORDS THAT YOU STILL HAVE, ALL CLASSICS, BUT WHY THOSE OUT OF SO MANY, REMEMBER MY ALARM OVER JOHN ANDREWS DEMO, I CAN SEE WHY ANY ONE WOULD KEEP THEM BUT WHATS SO PERSONAL BEHIND THEM? OR IS JUST FATE THATS WHATS LEFT, I REMEMBER GETTING RID OF MY 1ST COLLECTION IN APRIL 1978 AND KEEPING 1 RECORD GENE Mc DANIALS WALK WITH A WINNER ON UK LIBERTY, I STILL HAVE IT, BUT THATS BECAUSE OF IT'S HISTORY, WHATS YOUR STORY!? DAVE KIL

[Pete S]

HI ALL...PETE FURTHER STUFF TO MY COMENTS THAT I MADE REGUARDING LESLEY GORE!/,,,,,I WAS VERY INTERESTED IN THAT STATEMENT RECUARDING SELLING CHAPTURE 5, I ASUME YOU ARE ON ABOUT YOUR ISSUE

AND THE RECORDS THAT YOU STILL HAVE, ALL CLASSICS, BUT WHY THOSE OUT OF SO MANY, REMEMBER MY ALARM OVER JOHN ANDREWS DEMO, I CAN SEE WHY ANY ONE WOULD KEEP THEM BUT WHATS SO PERSONAL BEHIND THEM? OR IS JUST FATE THATS WHATS LEFT, I REMEMBER GETTING RID OF MY 1ST COLLECTION IN APRIL 1978 AND KEEPING 1 RECORD GENE Mc DANIALS WALK WITH A WINNER ON UK LIBERTY, I STILL HAVE IT, BUT THATS BECAUSE OF IT'S HISTORY, WHATS YOUR STORY!? DAVE KIL

I think Chapter Five because it took me so long to get it; the others, well Willie Tee is in my top 10 ever, the rest, I just like them and would rather keep them rather than take the few quid that they are worth. I remembered another one I kept, Bruce Scott - I Made An Angel Cry, another one that I just really like.

[Ezzie Brown]

love the english big voice and production 60s girl sounds, reminds me of the old lady cookin sunday lunch in a steamed up kitchen with the radio on..........."sending a request, from auntie mavis and uncle bert in margate to corporal smith in bfpo 12 in germany ..."......etc........ez.................

[dthedrug]

I think Chapter Five because it took me so long to get it; the others, well Willie Tee is in my top 10 ever, the rest, I just like them and would rather keep them rather than take the few quid that they are worth. I remembered another one I kept, Bruce Scott - I Made An Angel Cry, another one that I just really like.

HI Pete I think they are all classics in there own right, esp Manchester Playboys I can remember Mick S pulling that and the Chi=Lptes "Love Bandit" of one of his stock shelves when i got my BOK TO BACH ISSUE! Ican't see me ever parting with that one it's far to elusive and rare. my record of the week is J E Young & Tonics on TOAST, thats why i dont sell anmore as i keep on rediscovering bits in my own collection that are almost forgotten?? DAVE

[dthedrug]

Step away from that door, Pete...

Hi All "GF SITP" is Good PETE...But not good enough? DAVE (Gotta Go! i'have Got to get away and trip outside) ThaT's GROOVY MAN!!