It was played all the time in 1976 alongside traditional 60s stuff when I started going to soul events with stuff like the Tramps, Voices of East Harlem, Anderson Brothers etc, so I'm guessing there must have been a start date around the early 70s for the 'new sound' to have been introduced obviously as new releases.

Any of you 50 somethings remember the first modern tunes to be played?

Ed

  tomangoes said:

It was played all the time in 1976 alongside traditional 60s stuff when I started going to soul events with stuff like the Tramps, Voices of East Harlem, Anderson Brothers etc, so I'm guessing there must have been a start date around the early 70s for the 'new sound' to have been introduced obviously as new releases.

Any of you 50 somethings remember the first modern tunes to be played?

Ed

Bloody hell Ed - you've opened one of the proverbial worm cans!

What will ensue may well prove to be messy. There will be debates and slanging matches about the very word "Modern". The said topic will then include references to Ian Levine, Cleethorpes, Mecca etc.

Hold on it could be a bumpy ride!

  Peter99 said:

Bloody hell Ed - you've opened one of the proverbial worm cans!

What will ensue may well prove to be messy. There will be debates and slanging matches about the very word "Modern". The said topic will then include references to Ian Levine, Cleethorpes, Mecca etc.

Hold on it could be a bumpy ride!

Thats the bullet now...lol

Now don't forget the Palais

  Peter99 said:

Bloody hell Ed - you've opened one of the proverbial worm cans!

What will ensue may well prove to be messy. There will be debates and slanging matches about the very word "Modern". The said topic will then include references to Ian Levine, Cleethorpes, Mecca etc.

Hold on it could be a bumpy ride!

Bumpy Road ahead - The lovelites, not heard that in ages, thanks for reminding me.

Let the insinuations and allegations begin.

Ed

  tomangoes said:

It was played all the time in 1976 alongside traditional 60s stuff when I started going to soul events with stuff like the Tramps, Voices of East Harlem, Anderson Brothers etc, so I'm guessing there must have been a start date around the early 70s for the 'new sound' to have been introduced obviously as new releases.

Any of you 50 somethings remember the first modern tunes to be played?

Ed

Things like The Fuzz, Otis Smith were only a year or two old when 1st played, but it was the summer of 74 when the floodgates opened. Lots of bland new stuff being played out, Sister Sledge, Ronnie Walker etc.

  tomangoes said:

It was played all the time in 1976 alongside traditional 60s stuff when I started going to soul events with stuff like the Tramps, Voices of East Harlem, Anderson Brothers etc, so I'm guessing there must have been a start date around the early 70s for the 'new sound' to have been introduced obviously as new releases.

Any of you 50 somethings remember the first modern tunes to be played?

Ed

Late '73 I guess, although you could argue that the likes of First Choice "This Is The House Where Love Died", Millie Jackson's "My Man Is A Sweet Man" and N.F. Porter's "Keep On Keeping On" were all played as new releases at the time long before this.

However, I reckon September 1973 would be a good starting point for the more obvious 70's sounding contemporary Modern tunes on the basis that that was when Gil Scott-Heron's "Winter In America" was released. Since we played "The Bottle" off this as an import album, I guess this would be as good a place as any to start......

Blimey! That's 35 years ago and we call it Modern!

Ian D

surely every record was a modern record once so for the 60's only gang for the modern only gang For all that embrace the full spectrum of soul music

I think the big debate would be more about the new releases being played rather than when the term 'Modern Soul' was used first.

As already said, new releases were played right through the 70's (and of course before that, probably even more so)

My first recollections of the term being used regularly was around the time of Snaith, which wasn't while the late 70's.

(Remember that Ed - when you were first learning to drive & I used to sit with you on a Sunday afternoon? )

Probably something to do with Sam & Arthur when they 'broke off' and started to do their own thing.

I've no doubt it was used earlier than that, maybe by the dealers to diferentiate between the 60's style and more recent 'modern' releases.

I would think people who were in regular contact with such as John Anderson at the time would maybe have a better idea of when that would have been.

  John Benson said:

Probably something to do with Sam & Arthur when they 'broke off' and started to do their own thing.

I've no doubt it was used earlier than that, maybe by the dealers to diferentiate between the 60's style and more recent 'modern' releases.

I think that's about right John - as regards the term "Modern" really being used - I'm sure some would want to disagree.

  Ian Dewhirst said:

Late '73 I guess, although you could argue that the likes of First Choice "This Is The House Where Love Died", Millie Jackson's "My Man Is A Sweet Man" and N.F. Porter's "Keep On Keeping On" were all played as new releases at the time long before this.

However, I reckon September 1973 would be a good starting point for the more obvious 70's sounding contemporary Modern tunes on the basis that that was when Gil Scott-Heron's "Winter In America" was released. Since we played "The Bottle" off this as an import album, I guess this would be as good a place as any to start......

Blimey! That's 35 years ago and we call it Modern!

Ian D

Ian, in was Sept 74 Winter in America LP came out

Still it was 34 years ago!

Edited September 23, 200816 yr by davetay

  davetay said:

Ian, in was Sept 74 Winter in America LP came out

Still it was 34 years ago!

Go on - split hairs why don't yer!

  Peter99 said:

Go on - split hairs why don't yer!

Only getting the year right

How,s the fookin banner investgation going

When did modern soul start getting played?

Probably 1991.

When did new releases stop getting played on the northern scene?

Probably about 1985.

There are six missing years

Edited September 23, 200816 yr by Steve G

  davetay said:

Only getting the year right

How,s the fookin banner investgation going

I was only pulling yer leg mate!

Investigation is going well mate. The culprits know I'm onto them. All will be revealed - sooner rather than later.

  Steve G said:

When did modern soul start getting played?

Probably 1991.

When did new releases stop getting played on the northern scene?

Probably about 1985.

There are six missing years

Must be gap years try Thailand, most end up their or Australia.

Was it called Modern back then or just newer newies.

Edited September 23, 200816 yr by Prophonics 2029

  Peter99 said:

I was only pulling yer leg mate!

Investigation is going well mate. The culprits know I'm onto them. All will be revealed - sooner rather than later.

I know you were taking the p**s it makes it all the more fun with replys i get off you and Smithers and a few others

Edited September 23, 200816 yr by davetay

  davetay said:

I know you were taking the p**s it makes it all the more fun with replys i get off you and Smithers and a few others

You'll get a fookin reply and half if Smiffy finds out you've taken his name in vain on a modern thread!

Here's a question:

When did 'modern' soul only become relevant if it sounded like a 60s record?

  davetay said:

Ian, in was Sept 74 Winter in America LP came out

Still it was 34 years ago!

Yep, you're right by the looks of Dave. Although Amazon maintain it was '73 but I'm inclined to go along with Wikipedia.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_in_America

I think I must have lost a year in the early 70's!

Ian D

  Ian Dewhirst said:

Yep, you're right by the looks of Dave. Although Amazon maintain it was '73 but I'm inclined to go along with Wikipedia.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_in_America

I think I must have lost a year in the early 70's!

Ian D

Ian only "a year" are you sure one or two more did not go astray in the later 70's

Steve J

  Soulsorts said:

Here's a question:

When did 'modern' soul only become relevant if it sounded like a 60s record?

Or vice versa perhaps. There's gonna be a showdown-----archie bell and the Drells 1969 sounding like a 70's

  SteveJohnston said:

Ian only "a year" are you sure one or two more did not go astray in the later 70's

Steve J

No Steve, that was mainly the 'lost' years of the mid 80's flying around the world in drug-fueled frenzy looking for action! Bloody good time though. Shame I can't remember it LOL............

I was actually young and innocent throughout the Northern Soul years believe it or not which is why I can remember things from then much easier than the mid 80's..........

Ian D

  jez jones said:

Or vice versa perhaps. There's gonna be a showdown-----archie bell and the Drells 1969 sounding like a 70's

lanier and co was released and embraced immediatly by the nighter crowds around 87 me thinks ,and dancin in the night tune was gettin played down the local smoochin clubs @the same time

  Ian Dewhirst said:

No Steve, that was mainly the 'lost' years of the mid 80's flying around the world in drug-fueled frenzy looking for action! Bloody good time though. Shame I can't remember it LOL............

I was actually young and innocent throughout the Northern Soul years believe it or not which is why I can remember things from then much easier than the mid 80's..........

Ian D

Mother Theresa , come on down .........

You can kid those who do not know you , but as for those who do , Ian ..........

Malc Burton

  John Benson said:

I think the big debate would be more about the new releases being played rather than when the term 'Modern Soul' was used first.

As already said, new releases were played right through the 70's (and of course before that, probably even more so)

My first recollections of the term being used regularly was around the time of Snaith, which wasn't while the late 70's.

(Remember that Ed - when you were first learning to drive & I used to sit with you on a Sunday afternoon? )

Probably something to do with Sam & Arthur when they 'broke off' and started to do their own thing.

I've no doubt it was used earlier than that, maybe by the dealers to diferentiate between the 60's style and more recent 'modern' releases.

I would think people who were in regular contact with such as John Anderson at the time would maybe have a better idea of when that would have been.

Mary Hopkins John......................................

I can also remember a mate at the time called Mick Goulding who was the first lad I knew to wear the mohair jumper, drainpipes, and winkle pickers, who had stuff like, Fifth Amendment, Mandrill, Heartstoppers, Four Sonics, and United Image.

He had decided to sell up the Mecca stuff and concentrate on the new Jazz Funk stuff like 'Sun is here' and 'Peg', but to me at the time this mecca stuff was still cutting edge and rarely played anywhere else.

The Snaith all dayers were great, but small scale, although I think it kick started the Thorne events that only played 'modern'.

Ed