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I'm just struggling with the Scottish flag bit - my spot at Wigan, under the staircase on the right hand side put me right underneath where it was hung, so I'm opting out now, I've put my two penneth in and I'll leave it to the real investigators. :lol:

Barry your spot on with the placing of the banner SO you should know how it got took down? :huh:

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is this the same una who went to wigan with kev,herman,dave, and eddie and jimmy all from southport ,and tiffanies on a sunday night in ainsdale ??

Yes that's me, who are you - apart from Stacey's Dad? You must have gone to Tiffanies if you know that crowd smile.gif

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So where are we? It's the Potteries but not Stoke

It's a scotish flag, but not from Scotland,

It was Gary's friends, but not Gary,

It was the beginning of 1981, not 1980

It's on the right hand side, but upstairs.

Holy Schmoly - We have to decipher what The Riddler says Robin

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So where are we? It's the Potteries but not Stoke

It's a scotish flag, but not from Scotland,

It was Gary's friends, but not Gary,

It was the beginning of 1981, not 1980

It's on the right hand side, but upstairs.

Holy Schmoly - We have to decipher what The Riddler says Robin

Saying it was a Scotish flag is nearly right it was a tartan sheet with white lettering hung fron the balcony on the right as you looked at the stage, That is how it got riped down .

The balcony at the Casino ran over the stage by about four or five feet as anyone that went knows, someone standing on the stage removed the banner as you would not have reached from the dance floor so if the banner had been any other place but near the stage it would of been up a lot longer that the twenty minutes or so it was there. Shouts of support for & against the banner went up from the dance floor in just about equal numbers.

But i for one don't think it got Sam the bullet from the Casino more like the earache Russ was getting from a lot of 60's fans about the modern tracks Sam was playing and Russ himself had played one or two at the time so the banner was probable not just directed at Sam :thumbsup:

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Saying it was a Scotish flag is nearly right it was a tartan sheet with white lettering hung fron the balcony on the right as you looked at the stage, That is how it got riped down .

The balcony at the Casino ran over the stage by about four or five feet as anyone that went knows, someone standing on the stage removed the banner as you would not have reached from the dance floor so if the banner had been any other place but near the stage it would of been up a lot longer that the twenty minutes or so it was there. Shouts of support for & against the banner went up from the dance floor in just about equal numbers.

But i for one don't think it got Sam the bullet from the Casino more like the earache Russ was getting from a lot of 60's fans about the modern tracks Sam was playing and Russ himself had played one or two at the time so the banner was probable not just directed at Sam g.gif

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I'm contesting that explanation Steve,

If so why did Richard say "The only good thing about that banner is that it is in Spurs colours!" (blue & white) - unless Spurs had a tartan away kit that is.

Now I maybe wrong but as my memory serves me - the flag/banner was a blue backround with a white x/cross on it (in my memory that is) with the lettering over the top.

Am I wrong?

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And as for the positioning of the banner, in my memory it was at least 8-10 feet away from a position where anyone from the stage could have removed it - fair do's I could have fecked off to M's and in the meantime you/whoever could have shuffled it along, nearer the stage, whereby said person could have been in a position to drag it down....Christ, I feel like Columbo.....this version of vents don't ring true, for my recollections anyway.

Apologies if I'm wrong, and I could be - I'm man enough to accept it. biggrin.gif

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so the banner was probable not just directed at Sam

Hadn't we substantiated that it couldn't have been aimed at Sam?

Do you know who placed the banner?

If so, everything I remember, which one person has substantiated, is bobbins - as your version of events must be true.

It could have been one of me 'Sodies' nights given and if I'm wrong, I'm wrong - but pleeeease tell me the truth. laugh.gif

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Vaguely remember this Petr99 but only vaguely sorry dont know dates or 'out

Rememeber my old mate Pip Smith making badges for us 'modern" fans from Shrewsbury to wear one weekend

One read "Ian Levine Was Just Too Darn Soulful"............................mine read "Jazz Funk For Mr Ms" !!!

I knew Pip...he often wore a smart suit to Wigan.

The Wolverhampton crowed had badges with 'Join the anti Criss King League' on them so I seem to recall He had something to do with the hate of all things seventies. I know The Stokies were anti modern at the time and I found it quite funny selling the likes of Geoff and Atlas copies of Charles Johnson,Phillip Mitchel etc. Strange world!!

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Right - just to recap.

Was the banner aimed at Sam?

It may or may not have been entirely aimed at Sam - however, I think we agree that this was Sam's last night - me and my mate Mick Bradbury did the petition - fact. :ohmy:

Did the banner get Sam the sack?

Probably not - I think his fate was already sealed. The banner did stoke up quite a bit of emotion though and didn't help.

Was it 1981 or 1980?

My investigation has been unable to be specific about the year - cos everyone's memory is fooked. I think 1981 - but others have a different view.

Was it the scottish lads?

Definitely no - I have ruled them out. Fact.

Were the lads from Stoke the guilty fookers? No - they are definitely innocent, this time anyway.

What I can tell you is the guilty parties are from the North West and I have discovered that the said "banner" was home made. It does have a scottish connection.

I have had some pm's telling to keep away from this piece of history. Allegedly, there are five people who know - and it's been kept a secret for many years.

I will get to the bottom of it.

Ironside

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I'm contesting that explanation Steve,

If so why did Richard say "The only good thing about that banner is that it is in Spurs colours!" (blue & white) - unless Spurs had a tartan away kit that is.

Now I maybe wrong but as my memory serves me - the flag/banner was a blue backround with a white x/cross on it (in my memory that is) with the lettering over the top.

Am I wrong?

Barry

Yes your right it was blue and white, it was different shades of blue and white tartan with white lettering, I don't know where Pete99 is geting the PM's from but he is getting a bit to close for comfort for me! I can tell you he is right saying it was a North West crew, that fully belived that some of the Casino main hall DJ's where starting to play to much modern and yes i know all the names but untill i have a chance to talk to one or two of them :lol:

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Sam was sacked from Wigan at the beginning of 81 I think. If he wrote about it in the March 81 issue of Blackbeat, he would have written those words in mid February 1981 (it took nearly a month to get it printed those days). And it would have been a talking point of the few weeks before then (i.e a recent development).

Still waiting to see his letter to Black Echoes, which he says sealed his fate along with a totally 70s playlist, and of course the bloody petition. :lol:

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I have had some pm's telling to keep away from this piece of history. Allegedly, there are five people who know - and it's been kept a secret for many years.

I will get to the bottom of it.

Ironside

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Does it matter if names are known of those who hung the banner? Someone also said won't say anything for legal reasons? Is it any different really to voicing your opinions on an internet forum in this day and age????? There's been far worse said on here about some DJ's and venues, including Sam.

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Sam was sacked from Wigan at the beginning of 81 I think. If he wrote about it in the March 81 issue of Blackbeat, he would have written those words in mid February 1981 (it took nearly a month to get it printed those days). And it would have been a talking point of the few weeks before then (i.e a recent development).

Still waiting to see his letter to Black Echoes, which he says sealed his fate along with a totally 70s playlist, and of course the bloody petition. :lol:

I'll go with early 81 Steve.

Can someone post up the letter from Echoes?

I'm not sure what you mean about the petition Steve? You want to see it? I don't think Sam would have kept it?

I've got two names - straight up! yes.gif Not saying anything yet but I will once I'm sure.

I've also been told to fcuk off and leave it alone - bloody hell it was nearly 30 years ago. Silly threats don't bother me.

Ironside

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Does it matter if names are known of those who hung the banner? Someone also said won't say anything for legal reasons? Is it any different really to voicing your opinions on an internet forum in this day and age????? There's been far worse said on here about some DJ's and venues, including Sam.

It was a bit of a personal thing to try and find out Chalky.

I will reveal who did it when I'm certain - and I'm getting there.

Peter

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I'll go with early 81 Steve.

Can someone post up the letter from Echoes?

I'm not sure what you mean about the petition Steve? You want to see it? I don't think Sam would have kept it?

I've got two names - straight up! yes.gif Not saying anything yet but I will once I'm sure.

I've also been told to fcuk off and leave it alone - bloody hell it was nearly 30 years ago. Silly threats don't bother me.

Ironside

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I've been in the garage looking back in old Black Echoes "stomping ground" from march 81 got to August 25 1979 and can't find Sam's letteri have some dates mising so sods law i don't have the one ....... i know this is of topic but in August 79 there is a bank holiday All-Nighter / All-Dayer Guide

Thursday Aug 23, Golden Palms, Blackburn Soul night DJ's Richard Searling / Ginger

Friday " 24 All-Nighter, Marryatt Hall Dundee admin £2.00

Saturday " 25 Yate, All-Night DJ's Ian Clark, HIppo, etc admin £1.75

Saturday " 25 Stroud Leisur Center All-Nighter DJ's Hippo, Dave Thorley admin £1.50

Sunday " 26 Birmingham Locarno All-Dayer

Sunday " 26 Cleethorpes Winter Gardens All-Dayer admin£1.75

Sunday " 26 Romeo & Juilet's All-Nighter Birmingham DJ's Pat Brady etc admin £2.00 members only

Sunday " 26 Nottingham Palais All-Nighter admin £2.50

Sunday " 26 Carousel Ballroom Manchester All-Nighter

Sunday " 26 St Ives All-Dayer Dj's Soul Sam, Nev Wherry, John Poole

Monday " 27 Rudies Scarborough 14 hour All-Dayer

Monday " 27 Top Rank All-Dayer Sheffield

Monday " 27 Whitchurch All-Dayer admin £1.50

Monday " 27 Circus Tavern All-Dayer Plymouth

Monday " 27 Cat's Whiskers Burnley All-Dayer admin £1.40

Monday " 27 Osborn Club Oldham All-Dayer

Monday " 27 Commodore International Club Nuttall Notts All-Dayer admin£1.50

Monday " 27 Cresett Center Brentton Peterborough "torch N Weel revival All-Dayer

Monday " 27 Marshall Suite Stroud Gloucs All-Dayer admin £1.20

Now just when did the over kill start :lol:

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If I confess to this dispicable act will you drop this f*cking ridiculous topic? Please?

Like - WHO GIVES A TOSS IF SOUL SAM WAS DESERVEDLY SACKED FROM WIGAN FOR PLAYING SH*T!

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It's not about Sam being sacked Smiffy - it's about the banner.

I know it wasn't you so you can fook off with yer false confessions! biggrin.gif

I'll excuse you from reading this fooking ridiculous topic. :lol:

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It's not about Sam being sacked Smiffy - it's about the banner.

I know it wasn't you so you can fook off with yer false confessions! :lol:

I'll excuse you from reading this fooking ridiculous topic. :unsure:

i was there on this night in question.i seem to remember sam introducing the coffee record stating although it was top ten record in mainstream at the time, it didnt deter him and played the 12 inch version which i danced to .must add things are a little hazy from those times,also recall casino dj having a motown record covered up and it was available at your local record shop,think it was bonnie pointer

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i was there on this night in question.i seem to remember sam introducing the coffee record stating although it was top ten record in mainstream at the time, it didnt deter him and played the 12 inch version which i danced to .must add things are a little hazy from those times,also recall casino dj having a motown record covered up and it was available at your local record shop,think it was bonnie pointer

Yes it was Bonnie Pointer

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i was there on this night in question.i seem to remember sam introducing the coffee record stating although it was top ten record in mainstream at the time, it didnt deter him and played the 12 inch version which i danced to .must add things are a little hazy from those times,also recall casino dj having a motown record covered up and it was available at your local record shop,think it was bonnie pointer

no it was mary wilson "you're the light that guides my way" russ' candi staton c/u if i remember rightly!

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do you mean "nightime shadows" theodore life orch?? sold to a punk in bolton i believe. been told it's the gang band "the sound of boston" on slipped disco records!!!! great tune but not as good as esperanto!! laugh.gif

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So has the scent gone cold then?

Sam reckoned at the time that he was sacked for playing totally 70s and his letter to Black Echoes (as yet unre-printed). He would of course know as presumably he'd have been called in to an office at the Casino to see Russ for a "chat" and to have the reasoning explained. :shades:

Sounds like the banner and the petitions are red herrings, though they may have added fuel to the fire.

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So has the scent gone cold then?

Sam reckoned at the time that he was sacked for playing totally 70s and his letter to Black Echoes (as yet unre-printed). He would of course know as presumably he'd have been called in to an office at the Casino to see Russ for a "chat" and to have the reasoning explained. :shades:

Sounds like the banner and the petitions are red herrings, though they may have added fuel to the fire.

Yeah, but the chat was with Harry Green. The banner didn't really have much, if anything to do with it.

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Yeah, but the chat was with Harry Green. The banner didn't really have much, if anything to do with it.

Really? Did he do the hiring and firing? Could you imagine Sam arguing with him about the ins and outs of rare soul 70s and 60s drying up? :shades:

I thought Harry Green was more interested in race horses?

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Yes your right it was blue and white, it was different shades of blue and white tartan with white lettering

THAT!

Is by far the funniest reply I have read on this forum :shades: .

I have at one point in this whole sorry (but funny, I'm laughing here, not moaning) thread asked if anyone was actually reading anything that I wrote about this subject, as the conversations seemed to go on disregarding the information I had quoted on many separate occassions.

Said in a Father Dougal accent: "Ted - I'm goin' mad!"

IT WAS A FUCKING SCOTTISH FLAG - not part tartan, lemon, turquoise or magenta - just a scottish flag.

I don't know if they liked kilns or knives or clogs or whatever.

Could the quiet majority please pipe up and settle my mind?

My main career in life was as a Psychiatric Assessment Officer - after this task of a thread I now know how the lads I assessed felt.

Anyway, this a thread to be cherished, I thank you all for your input. laugh.gif

I'll speak to Richard about this and square it up once and for all.

(Btw does Sam still live in that small Welsh town? His phone number in the late 80's was summat like Builth Wells 593 - a three digit phone number???)

The strange world of Welsh teachers.

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Right - this thread was simply about trying to find out who actually hung the fookin banner - nothing else really. I did not suggest that the banner was responsible for Sam's sacking - I did say it may well have fanned the flames of animosity in some quarters.

So. I now have old addresses in the Manchester area. I know where the "banner" was made - I even know who made it. There was a group of four or five individuals involved. I have two names. :thumbup: One of them has admitted it - the other one is being contacted this morning. There are three others.

I will post up the two names this afternoon - I'm in meetings most of the day. At least two of em are members on here.

Ironside.

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Have found an old Blackbeat dated March 1981 in which Sam talks of his sacking from Wigan "for playing totally 70s and explaining my position in a letter to Black Echoes".

The pieces are starting to fall into place.

I have found Sam's letter in No 324 Feb 24- March 9 1981, i will try and get it onto my PC so i can post it later,

So it would put the date of Sam leaving the casino at very early 81 for them that are intrested!

Steve J

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I did thanks Inspa, most stuff Ramsey & Co Romana Collins still sound great but this sounds dated IMO

it does i suppose,but it was ok for the moment!one of the last big(ish) instrumentals.

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thats right think he was called jacko ,and the sum was 100pound sterling

i prob saw him around. i'm sure the clugstons know him,or one of their crew! i asked richard yrs ago who it was and he couldn't remember!

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