O.v.o And C.r.&.p Venues

[Modernsoulsucks]

Not at all, in the same way as it would p*ss you off if you turned up at a gallery and someone was selling illegal prints of one of your originals.

Or if you went to an art show and there were a load of prints hanging up

Actually Im not that sure why I made that original comment because personally I have nothing against covering records up. Used to be fun trying to find out what they were until I bought some of those X-Ray glasses advertised at the back of Superman comics which worked a treat. The next door neighbour had a nice pair of........ but anyway I mainly used them on C/U's. Especially after my arrest.

Probably a gut reaction against what I perceived as a mixture of elitism and over-reaction trying to point out that OVO is not beyond questioning when certain aspects are put under the microscope.

I can see slightly the analogy with the art gallery but I would have thought that the only person entitled to be a bit miffed turning up at a do and finding someone playing a bootleg would be a person involved in making the record. As Maak said he might be equally upset to see his efforts going out under a false name.

Whilst DJ Lazy with his carvers is a bit of a fraud any DJ worth his salt would not be phased by having a few of his playlist hi-jacked. Play something else, even if it's through gritted teeth and don't let DJ Lazy know he's got to you because that's what he wants. To be noticed.

ROD

Edited September 20, 2008 by modernsoulsucks

[Sean Hampsey]

Yeah but it's very RARE Cheese presumably?

Ian D

Not necessarily, Ian.

The 'essence' of 'Soul Essence' is that the DJ's play Quality over Rarity.

Sure some records played are rare but they only get played if they're really, really good!

What's more, the format is irrelevant and all legitimate media is recognised and utilised (stay with me.... I'm talking about CD's here!)

The reason for this acceptance is that the DJ's are playing Soul 'MUSIC'... not just Soul 'Records'.... the dancers want to dance to Soul 'MUSIC'... not just Soul 'Records' and people want to hear Soul 'MUSIC'... not just Soul 'Records'.

Reckon you'd love it, Ian.

Sean

[Richard Bayley]

Cheapies/revived items - around 10%

Note, no oldies back then.

Can somebody explain to me the difference between a "revived item" and an oldie? perhaps has something to do with the DJ playing it...

However, the scene has changed a lot hasn't it? It's actually much more diverse in tempo then before so you can get away with beat ballads, early 60's and even slowies etc, etc.

And is better for it, IMVHO, judging from the RW Wigan playlists that pasted up so frequently on this site!

Ian D

[Maark]

Actually Im not that sure why I made that original comment because personally I have nothing against covering records up. Used to be fun trying to find out what they were until I bought some of those X-Ray glasses advertised at the back of Superman comics which worked a treat. The next door neighbour had a nice pair of........ but anyway I mainly used them on C/U's. Especially after my arrest.

Probably a gut reaction against what I perceived as a mixture of elitism and over-reaction trying to point out that OVO is not beyond questioning when certain aspects are put under the microscope.

I can see slightly the analogy with the art gallery but I would have thought that the only person entitled to be a bit miffed turning up at a do and finding someone playing a bootleg would be a person involved in making the record. As Maak said he might be equally upset to see his efforts going out under a false name.

Whilst DJ Lazy with his carvers is a bit of a fraud any DJ worth his salt would not be phased by having a few of his playlist hi-jacked. Play something else, even if it's through gritted teeth and don't let DJ Lazy know he's got to you because that's what he wants. To be noticed.

ROD

That's sort of where I'm coming from. Fair play to the dj's who have done the crate digging and bought over all these wonderful tunes and they get the respect they deserve. But at the end of the day, they own the record, not the music.

[Ian Dewhirst]

Not necessarily, Ian.

The 'essence' of 'Soul Essence' is that the DJ's play Quality over Rarity.

Sure some records played are rare but they only get played if they're really, really good!

What's more, the format is irrelevant and all legitimate media is recognised and utilised (stay with me.... I'm talking about CD's here!)

The reason for this acceptance is that the DJ's are playing Soul 'MUSIC'... not just Soul 'Records'.... the dancers want to dance to Soul 'MUSIC'... not just Soul 'Records' and people want to hear Soul 'MUSIC'... not just Soul 'Records'.

Reckon you'd love it, Ian.

Sean

I would Sean. THAT sounds like a progressive venue with the correct philosophy for this day and age!

Truth be told, I like a bit of everything as some of the best pieces of 'MUSIC' I've heard in the last 5 years have been via several different formats OV, LP, CD or MP3 - I'm not particularly aware of the format when I first hear something out. If what comes out of the speakers slays me then I'm not even that bothered about the format to be honest. It's the music bit I like mostly.

And can you imagine never being allowed to hear this....

The Originals "Suspicion"

https://www.zshare.net/audio/19098538a565d8f5/

or even this

Freda Payne "Memories And Souvenirs"

https://www.zshare.net/audio/19098713fea3cf8e/

Doesn't bear thinking about for me. How much great music could effectively be censored simply because it's never actually been on vinyl through no fault of it's own?

Ian D

[Sean Hampsey]

I would Sean. THAT sounds like a progressive venue with the correct philosophy for this day and age!

Truth be told, I like a bit of everything as some of the best pieces of 'MUSIC' I've heard in the last 5 years have been via several different formats OV, LP, CD or MP3 - I'm not particularly aware of the format when I first hear something out. If what comes out of the speakers slays me then I'm not even that bothered about the format to be honest. It's the music bit I like mostly.

And can you imagine never being allowed to hear this....

The Originals "Suspicion"

https://www.zshare.net/audio/19098538a565d8f5/

or even this

Freda Payne "Memories And Souvenirs"

https://www.zshare.net/audio/19098713fea3cf8e/

Doesn't bear thinking about for me. How much great music could effectively be censored simply because it's never actually been on vinyl through no fault of it's own?

Ian D

Guess it all depends if you're a Soul 'Record' collector... or a Soul MUSIC collector (lover) Ian.

There are some who don't give a fig if they never get to hear new Soul MUSIC. They just collect the records (a bit like stamp collecting - and little to do with music).

I heard a DJ played an unreleased track off his mobile phone, at a do, recently.

Apparently the dancers just kept on dancin'

[Ian Dewhirst]

Cheapies/revived items - around 10%

Note, no oldies back then.

Can somebody explain to me the difference between a "revived item" and an oldie? perhaps has something to do with the DJ playing it...

Yep, a revived item would be something which maybe had been played at an earlier time but which had never taken off before. A certain deejay might then decide that maybe the timing is better 2nd time around and hence start hammering it again and give it a new lease of life.

You could say that Lee Fields "Take Me Back" could be termed a 'revived item' in that it only received plays at select venues in the mid 70's and never became a classic first time around. 30 years later Butch starts playing it and lo and behold, finds a new appreciative audience 2nd time around.

Some examples of 'revived items' in the mid 70's include "Looking For You" - Garnett Mimms, "Better Use Your Head" - Little Anthony & The Imperials, "Girl Don't Make Me Wait" - Bunny Sigler, "Keep On" - Sterling Magee etc, etc - all were 'known' and played in a couple of places here and there, but didn't really establish themselves until the whole scene adopted 'em.

Whereas an oldie would be an established monster from first time around, if you see what I mean.

Ian D

[Pete Eccles]

Guess it all depends if you're a Soul 'Record' collector... or a Soul MUSIC collector (lover) Ian.

There are some who don't give a fig if they never get to hear new Soul MUSIC. They just collect the records (a bit like stamp collecting - and little to do with music).

I heard a DJ played an unreleased track off his mobile phone, at a do, recently.

Apparently the dancers just kept on dancin'

Was it a very small venue Sean?

[Ian Dewhirst]

However, the scene has changed a lot hasn't it? It's actually much more diverse in tempo then before so you can get away with beat ballads, early 60's and even slowies etc, etc.

And is better for it, IMVHO, judging from the RW Wigan playlists that pasted up so frequently on this site!

'A venue's only as good as it's deejays tastes' is a mantra worth remembering.

I pretty much stopped going when I emigrated in '76 but in those early years it was pretty magical. Everyone played a part, but Richard Searling and Kev Roberts made the trips worthwhile for me primarily and both of 'em had phenomenally rare OV LOL.

And let's not forget that it was Russ who championed "Put Your Arms Around Me" - The Sherry's on OV and had the 2nd copy of "Cool Off" amongst other things.

I'm kinda glad that my last trip was in '75/'76 as I only remember the good times. I started losing interest when the Joey Dee's, "Hawaii Five 0"'s, Joe 90's and Gary Lewis & The Playboys started getting aired.......

Ian D

[Ian Dewhirst]

Guess it all depends if you're a Soul 'Record' collector... or a Soul MUSIC collector (lover) Ian.

There are some who don't give a fig if they never get to hear new Soul MUSIC. They just collect the records (a bit like stamp collecting - and little to do with music).

I heard a DJ played an unreleased track off his mobile phone, at a do, recently.

Apparently the dancers just kept on dancin'

I realised the gig was up a few years ago, when I staggered into Madame Jo-Jo's with two crates of 12" vinyl. I finally managed to manouver my way to the stage, dumped my crates and stood there panting to get my breath back. The kid who was deejaying had no records. Just two I-Pods.

He even had an I-Pod 'gunbelt' which held his I-Pods like a western gunslinger.

I said to him somewhat snottily, "Don't You Have ANY records then"?

He said, "What For"?

I said, "To give you plenty of choice and variety in what you play!"

He said, "How may tunes do you have there mate"?

I said, "about 300"

He said, "I've got 20,000 right here" he said patting his holsters.

He then proceeded to click to the next track and watched the floor swell to 200 people dancing completely unaware of the format.

To add salt to the wound, I lined up my first record to play and SOME PRICK bumped the deck knocking the stylus onto the mat, so all the 200 dancers heard was the noise of a stylus scraping the deck!

He looked at me with a smirk and said, "You do it your way and I'll do it my way mate, OK"?

Ian D

Edited September 20, 2008 by Ian Dewhirst

[Guest gordon russell]

Not at all, in the same way as it would p*ss you off if you turned up at a gallery and someone was selling illegal prints of one of your originals.

Or if you went to an art show and there were a load of prints hanging up

wouldn't mind a couple of bootlegs of damian hersts rubbish originals lol

[Ian Dewhirst]

wouldn't mind a couple of bootlegs of damian hersts rubbish originals lol

A couple of my mates work for him and they often nick the paint he uses because it's a special type apparently.

Also he pays his staff bonuses with small pieces of his own artwork but woe betide anyone who tries to sell it whilst they're still working for him!

Ian D

[Simon M]

He looked at me with a smirk and said, "You do it your way and I'll do it my way mate, OK"?

Ian D

[Ian Dewhirst]

He looked at me with a smirk and said, "You do it your way and I'll do it my way mate, OK"?

Ian D

And in 2008 your still using vinyl Ian !

I know. Old habits die hard as this thread proves!

My ideal gig would be OV and Laptop. Even though the quality from the laptop would be far superior to the quality of the vinyl, I guess you'd have to have vinyl for certain gigs wouldn't you?

I bought 3 vinyl records this week too. I'm not a very good advert am I?

Ian D

[Simon M]

I bought 3 vinyl records this week too. I'm not a very good advert am I?

Ian D

[Guest gordon russell]

OVO is often an excuse for the dullards to get behind the decks and play the most unimaginative boring sets of dross made up of tunes they dreamed of owning when they were teens after their 3 trips to the casino and now they have their mortgage and divorce paid off they can afford a 200 count full of Wonky Northern and of course they want to DJ. And when they can't they set up their own Wonky night in a village hall.

An OVO policy, although very important to the fabric of everything that this "thing" is, should not be an excuse to allow dullards to undermine the most important thing, the excitement and the buzz of the party. When that is gone, the "thing" is gone.

It's a serious problem at the moment, in my opinion.

hey WONKY is better than dllard.....top word used in this context anyway lol

[Guest gordon russell]

A couple of my mates work for him and they often nick the paint he uses because it's a special type apparently.

Also he pays his staff bonuses with small pieces of his own artwork but woe betide anyone who tries to sell it whilst they're still working for him!

Ian D

yeah right ian.....give me a piece of his work as a bonus ....straight round to see me old mate saatchi....£5million later Ole damian can sack me if he wants to,will be gutted lol

[Ian Dewhirst]

yeah right ian.....give me a piece of his work as a bonus ....straight round to see me old mate saatchi....£5million later Ole damian can sack me if he wants to,will be gutted lol

I don't think they're worth that much unfortunately.

I think Damian's genorosity only runs to a couple of grand for his workers. Not done bad for a lad from Leeds has he?

Ian D

[Sean Hampsey]

Was it a very small venue Sean?

Apparently not.

Just plugged straignt into the system 'I-Pod' style and 'sounded awesome' through the big speakers, so I was told!

Ian's Mademe JoJo's story is a classic.

We do look a bunch of luddites, lugging around boxes of expensive and collectable vinyl, worrying about cartridges and possible theft or loss.

[Cunnie]

Guess it all depends if you're a Soul 'Record' collector... or a Soul MUSIC collector (lover) Ian.

There are some who don't give a fig if they never get to hear new Soul MUSIC. They just collect the records (a bit like stamp collecting - and little to do with music).

I heard a DJ played an unreleased track off his mobile phone, at a do, recently.

Apparently the dancers just kept on dancin'

Was a Modern night though Sean so does that count??

[Guest]

Was a Modern night though Sean so does that count??

What was the tune played ? : was it " Nokia On Wood " ? ..........

Malc Burton

[Guest Gogs]

What was the tune played ? : was it " Nokia On Wood " ? ..........

Malc Burton

or maybe "please operator" ?

[Jumpinjoan]

because to be quite frank i'm not playing anymore

[tim smithers]

not true Ian, there's 100's if not 1000's of vinyl records that are affordable, by that I mean under 50 quid with many around the £25 mark. The trouble with this scene is rarity is the be all and end all for too many, if it's expensive it's good, if it's cheap its, well not good enough.

Maybe if promoters got away from the big money DJ syndrome and booked those that use some imagination and played records that don't have to cost a fortune but do not suffer quality wise then the scene maybe a better place for it.

Must admit i agree with every thing you say, it has worked for us at the Railway Club in Bournemouth playing lots of under 50 pounders even though we are quite capable of playing big money tunes between us, we still get more of a buzz finding these under played and sometimes never played cheapies, and the crowd seems to appreciate it as well, which makes it easier for us

[Guest Gavin Page]

The 'essence' of 'Soul Essence' is that the DJ's play Quality over Rarity.

Sure some records played are rare but they only get played if they're really, really good!

What's more, the format is irrelevant and all legitimate media is recognised and utilised (stay with me.... I'm talking about CD's here!)

The reason for this acceptance is that the DJ's are playing Soul 'MUSIC'... not just Soul 'Records'.... the dancers want to dance to Soul 'MUSIC'... not just Soul 'Records' and people want to hear Soul 'MUSIC'... not just Soul 'Records'.

I like that, you should put that in the Program.. Thats what we set out to do 14 years ago. Still does what is says on the box for me. Although a few more new releases could be played, but that just my taste.

Thank you Sean.

[Sean Hampsey]

Was a Modern night though Sean so does that count??

It was just a good example of how conservative the Northern scene is, Martin, in comparison.

[Sean Hampsey]

I like that, you should put that in the Program.. Thats what we set out to do 14 years ago. Still does what is says on the box for me. Although a few more new releases could be played, but that just my taste.

Thank you Sean.

You're very welcome Gavin.

I don't have a problem with rare (or not particularly rare) original vinyl. As you know, as a collector, I've got tons of it. Just think it's a great shame that other media is given a wide berth in some quarters - and that in itself excludes many fabulous Soul tracks from being played.

After all, if we are Soul Music fans, why should it really matter that much?

The music policy at Essence speaks for itself. The quality is unmatched and that's why Soul fans from all over the UK and Europe make it the first date in the Diary each year.

Much kudos to you and your team... hopefully for many years to come.

Sean

Edited September 20, 2008 by Sean Hampsey

[Dave West]

drax does apparantly In all seriousness yes most northern nights do not have such technology as CD players for the unreleased stuff. ANyway you don't have to justify it Russ. My unissued stuff is on carver, just I don't play them that often.

d 2

While it is true Drax did have a CD player in the rig up, its no longer used and Drax is a vinyl only venue and has been for some time now. With regard to whether boots are played I cannot say, My recent spot at Drax consisted of original vinyl only the only exception being 2 "Carvers" of unreleased stuff.

Half way into my spot a policeman decided to walk around the dancefloor (no kidding it really happened,ask anyone who was there) Why he did this I dont know, was it the soul police checking for CD's or was he looking for somone. It remains a mystery, I did however play Martha Reeves "No one there" as the next record.

Westy

[Guest Rich]

And allnighters I can pretty certainly say based on the DJ line up

Lifeline

100 Club

Burnley

Hitsville events

Have I missed anyone

apologise if its already been mentioned but I can never keep up with threads after I finish work on Thurs, but I think you can add the Wilton to this list - next up are Banksy, Andy D, Gouch, Mick H, Mouse to name a few, and I can't imagine many Soul Galore items being dropped by that lot. If the 100 Club is you're daddy, then the Wilton is your daft old Uncle, warts and all. Also, I'd have thought Middleton would be on there

[Margo]

This old chestnut of Original Vinyl Only V other means seems to go round in circles, fact of the matter is on this scene the only way to do the DJ thing is with OVO in terms of gaining a solid reputation as a DJ, respect from fellow DJ's and collectors and doing it the right and proper way, the very nature and backbone of the scene is it's fed and based on in the main by obscure, hard to find rare soul records, no matter how you dress it up or use the excuse of it's 'what comes out of the speaker' that counts I think everyone knows in their heart of hearts that there is no short cuts in becoming a DJ on this scene, big difference of being someone who plays music and a true rare soul DJ, having been part of this DJ thing for a number of years it has always been important to me to do it the right way with OVO, head held high knowing that my efforts are at least authentic and I'm not talking about how rare or how much the records cost or are worth.

I can name many people on here who sport the corner of OVO thats just how it is, old school, keeping it real and doing the very best they can, there are hundreds of records I've never owned but would not dream of using a bootleg or carver just to play a popular or big tune it's simply not in the rule book, leave it to the DJ's with the real deal to play, dig deep, move on and develop what you do within your means and try and create your own style rather than cutting corners and cheating basically yourself.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

well said mark.... thats it in a nut shell

[Cunnie]

Just saw this on another site & felt I had to share it on here.

Regardless of your views on this topic ya gotta admit it's bloody funny

................................................................................

............................

Punter: 'Excuse me Mister DJ, would you perhaps have (insert random tune name here) that you could play for me and my friends, it's one of our favourites and we'd love to hear it, it would really add to the enjoyment of our night, for which we've paid seven pounds entrance fee'?

DJ Warwick Hunt: 'Yes, I have the record, but unfortunately for you the copy I have doesn't have the correctly printed circular label either side, you see I have self-imposed rules which enable me to stay true to the grass roots of the rare soul scene, so although the song is identical in every way to the desirable copy which actually does have the correctly printed circular label on either side, I have to uphold my beliefs and therefore I won't allow myself to play it for you'

Punter: But that doesn't concern us, we've paid to get in, we love that song and really want to hear it and dance to it'.

DJ Warwick Hunt: 'It matters to me and my two friends standing behind me, and also that man in the checked shirt leaning over decks moving his head round and round holding his glasses above his eyes whilst scrutinising the record label, so therefore I'd be letting myself and my two good friends and that man in the checked shirt leaning over decks moving his head round and round holding his glasses above his eyes whilst scrutinising the record label, down, if I played it to you.

Punter: But surely, keeping a room full of paying punters happy is the priority for you as a DJ?

DJ Warwick Hunt: 'You'll never make a DJ mate, get back to your C.R.A.P. venues if it's music and dancing you prefer, you obviously have no clue that O.V.O is the priority? I bet you'd even dance to a non original, and buy CD's, which everyone knows are the modern day equivalent of cassettes, so there I look down on you and sneer mockingly in your face'.

Punter: 'Haven't got a clue what you're talking about mate, me and my friends just love soul music regardless of format, coming out, having a drink, a laugh, a bit of a dance and a good time. Will you please play (insert random tune name here) for us'.

DJ Warwick Hunt: 'I've explained my position to you - until I source the a copy that has the correctly printed label on either side for an unfeasibly large amount of money, I shall not accede to your wishes, and in the mean time shall only play music that will impress both myself and my two friends standing behind me, and anyway you look like you could do with a sit down, aren't you too old to be going out dancing at your age?'

Punter: 'Come on you lot, the DJ's an alien, drink up, we're going somewhere else'.

[Guest gordon russell]

South East

Letchworth Irish centre

Soul@Hitchinfc - Hitchin

South Essex Soul Club - Capones

West Mids

DOuble Deckers

Good times

Mids / East Anglia

Attic Club

Bentinck (Back Room)

Select Soul Burton

Willington

Creative Soul @ Silks Wellingborough

East Lincoln Soul Club

Cream Cracker

North / North West

the Junction Middleton jn

Bradford morley carr wmc

York Soul Club

DDA Room Lowton

Mark Bicknell's front room

Scotland

Basics Edinburgh

Spiders Web Edinburgh

Soul in the City Dundee

Real Deal Aberdeen

Black Trackin' Glasgow

South West

Soul Nights at Bridgwater Somerset

The SOul Side @ The Loft Bar, Bournemouth Uni

Go Go Children Bristol

And allnighters I can pretty certainly say based on the DJ line up

Lifeline

100 Club

Burnley

Hitsville events

Across the Board events which don't play bootlegs but play music on any other format

Orwell Wigan

3 Greyhounds

The Greatstone

Soul Essence

Have I missed anyone

the resident dj and most of the guest djs at the cream cracker do not play off ovo

[soulAdequateNP]

Punter: 'Come on you lot, the DJ's an alien, drink up, we're going somewhere else'.

Love it

Thinking about it - small elite imposing their doctrine on the masses from whom they are increasingly out of touch...has Tony Blair infiltrated the scene?

[Steve G]

the resident dj and most of the guest djs at the cream cracker do not play off ovo

They've said that they do now. you'll have to go and do an undercover inspection

[Steve G]

Yeah and Steve only plays 30% cheese at SE where as the rest of the year its 100 %

Yes saturday night 3 am onwards is my PARTY set. All original cheese of course But tunes designed to keep people singing and dancing. I could of course play some rare funk and boogie that no one has ever heard, but that wouldn't really work would it?

As for the rest of it.....hmmm when I am on late and the promotor says when you come on "Can you up the dancefloor a bit mate the last guys killed it", I am afraid that's when some cheddar has to come out.....but it's not all cheese moosh - you cheeky beggar

Agree with Chalky you got to mix it up these days - something for everyone.

[Sean Hampsey]

hmmm when I am on late and the promotor says when you come on "Can you up the dancefloor a bit mate the last guys killed it", I am afraid that's when some cheddar has to come out....

Can I just make it clear that I normally do the midnight hour session at Soul Essence and that I am not the DJ who Steve follows at 3:00am!

[Simon M]

Yes saturday night 3 am onwards is my PARTY set. All original cheese of course But tunes designed to keep people singing and dancing. I could of course play some rare funk and boogie that no one has ever heard, but that wouldn't really work would it?

As for the rest of it.....hmmm when I am on late and the promotor says when you come on "Can you up the dancefloor a bit mate the last guys killed it", I am afraid that's when some cheddar has to come out.....but it's not all cheese moosh - you cheeky beggar

Agree with Chalky you got to mix it up these days - something for everyone.

No problem Steve , I guess Cheese will keep you busy as a DJ for a good few years , dont worry but try and come to Sweden on the 25th October 2008 to have a real party ... less the cheese of course!!

Skol

Simon

[Steve G]

Can I just make it clear that I normally do the midnight hour session at Soul Essence and that I am not the DJ who Steve follows at 3:00am!

Those comments don't apply at Yarmouth Sean. At Yarmouth it's a case of what hasn't been played already and I am normally on after Uncle Sammy who keeps the floor very busy.

Of course we really need to get Simon along there again so he can experience it all once again.

Edited September 21, 2008 by Steve G

[Quinvy]

Just saw this on another site & felt I had to share it on here.

Regardless of your views on this topic ya gotta admit it's bloody funny

................................................................................

............................

Punter: 'Excuse me Mister DJ, would you perhaps have (insert random tune name here) that you could play for me and my friends, it's one of our favourites and we'd love to hear it, it would really add to the enjoyment of our night, for which we've paid seven pounds entrance fee'?

DJ Warwick Hunt: 'Yes, I have the record, but unfortunately for you the copy I have doesn't have the correctly printed circular label either side, you see I have self-imposed rules which enable me to stay true to the grass roots of the rare soul scene, so although the song is identical in every way to the desirable copy which actually does have the correctly printed circular label on either side, I have to uphold my beliefs and therefore I won't allow myself to play it for you'

Punter: But that doesn't concern us, we've paid to get in, we love that song and really want to hear it and dance to it'.

DJ Warwick Hunt: 'It matters to me and my two friends standing behind me, and also that man in the checked shirt leaning over decks moving his head round and round holding his glasses above his eyes whilst scrutinising the record label, so therefore I'd be letting myself and my two good friends and that man in the checked shirt leaning over decks moving his head round and round holding his glasses above his eyes whilst scrutinising the record label, down, if I played it to you.

Punter: But surely, keeping a room full of paying punters happy is the priority for you as a DJ?

DJ Warwick Hunt: 'You'll never make a DJ mate, get back to your C.R.A.P. venues if it's music and dancing you prefer, you obviously have no clue that O.V.O is the priority? I bet you'd even dance to a non original, and buy CD's, which everyone knows are the modern day equivalent of cassettes, so there I look down on you and sneer mockingly in your face'.

Punter: 'Haven't got a clue what you're talking about mate, me and my friends just love soul music regardless of format, coming out, having a drink, a laugh, a bit of a dance and a good time. Will you please play (insert random tune name here) for us'.

DJ Warwick Hunt: 'I've explained my position to you - until I source the a copy that has the correctly printed label on either side for an unfeasibly large amount of money, I shall not accede to your wishes, and in the mean time shall only play music that will impress both myself and my two friends standing behind me, and anyway you look like you could do with a sit down, aren't you too old to be going out dancing at your age?'

Punter: 'Come on you lot, the DJ's an alien, drink up, we're going somewhere else'.

That's just bollocks!!!! If DJ Warwick Hunt had any principals, he wouldn't have a boot in his box. So the above scenario would never happen.....also, surely one of the other DJ's would have a copy of the requested record? Too much dumbing down going on...cheapening something magical......I.M.H.O. of course....

Phil.

[Steve G]

Too much dumbing down going on...cheapening something magical......

Phil.

That's a good point, it is another form of dumbing down.

How about this instead:

Punter: 'Excuse me Mister DJ, would you perhaps have (insert random tune name here) that you could play for me and my friends, it's one of our favourites and we'd love to hear it, it would really add to the enjoyment of our night, for which we've paid seven pounds entrance fee'?

DJ Warwick Hunt: No, sorry.

Does remind me of a story Jo told me once. Some misery at These old shoes, so she goes up to him and the conversation goes:

Jo "What's up, you look really miserable?"

Misery: "I paid £3 to come in here"

Jo: "Oh really, well here's your £3 back, now drink up and F8ck off"

Edited September 21, 2008 by Steve G

[Steve G]

No problem Steve , I guess Cheese will keep you busy as a DJ for a good few years , dont worry

Skol

Simon

What's your name Patroniser Staten? Cheese indeed!

Get your booties up to Hitchin Friday Simon - no excuses please

Edited September 21, 2008 by Steve G

[Simon M]

What's your name Patroniser Staten? Cheese indeed!

Get your booties up to Hitchin Friday Simon - no excuses please

You know the score Steve .. Looks like Porto for me that Friday

[Steve G]

You know the score Steve .. Looks like Porto for me that Friday

travelling with the Trouble party then? Have a good one.

[Guest Matt Male]

Punter: 'Come on you lot, the DJ's an alien, drink up, we're going somewhere else where we can dance to the same fifty odd records we've danced to for the last 30 years, we don't care about hearing anything new do we lads, in fact i'm not even sure i like soul music..'.

I rest my f**king case.

[Ian Dewhirst]

That's a good point, it is another form of dumbing down.

How about this instead:

Punter: 'Excuse me Mister DJ, would you perhaps have (insert random tune name here) that you could play for me and my friends, it's one of our favourites and we'd love to hear it, it would really add to the enjoyment of our night, for which we've paid seven pounds entrance fee'?

DJ Warwick Hunt: No, sorry.

Or this even:

Punter: 'Excuse me Mister DJ, would you perhaps have (insert random tune name here) that you could play for me and my friends, it's one of our favourites and we'd love to hear it. I realise that there's only one known copy in the world and that's in Japan, but I was wondering if you could play it off the CD which is legitimate and supplies royalties to the artist and in fact, has earnt him far more in royalties than the one-off copy in Japan ever did. It would really add to the enjoyment of our night, for which we've paid seven pounds entrance fee'?

DJ Warwick Hunt: "No, sorry mate, original vinyl only. If you wanna hear that you'll have to go to Japan'.

Ian D

[Pete Eccles]

I know what will help sort this out, i'm gonna find a venue, start a monthly night, charge peeps 3,4, 5, quid entry, and along with 2 or 3 mates play our bedroom/front room top 20's, if by chance the punters (dreadful term) don't have the same taste as me and my mates and don't instantly 'switch on' to the tunes i have listened to countless times in my 'bubble' i can always label them buffoons, come on here and preach that the minnions out there need educating (the worst term ever) and wonder why my/our music isn't appreciated by the ignorant masses, then we can all have a group hug and console each other in the knowledge we know best,

That's if this hasn't already been tried?

Do/dance/listen to and enjoy whatever it is that floats ya boat, and don't be dismayed/bewildered if it ain't anyone elses cup o tea,

OVO or otherwise lifes too short,

[Maark]

I know what will help sort this out, i'm gonna find a venue, start a monthly night, charge peeps 3,4, 5, quid entry, and along with 2 or 3 mates play our bedroom/front room top 20's, if by chance the punters (dreadful term) don't have the same taste as me and my mates and don't instantly 'switch on' to the tunes i have listened to countless times in my 'bubble' i can always label them buffoons, come on here and preach that the minnions out there need educating (the worst term ever) and wonder why my/our music isn't appreciated by the ignorant masses, then we can all have a group hug and console each other in the knowledge we know best,

That's if this hasn't already been tried?

Do/dance/listen to and enjoy whatever it is that floats ya boat, and don't be dismayed/bewildered if it ain't anyone elses cup o tea,

OVO or otherwise lifes too short,

Great post Pete,

and nice Boxer dog.

[Guest]

Or this even:

Punter: 'Excuse me Mister DJ, would you perhaps have (insert random tune name here) that you could play for me and my friends, it's one of our favourites and we'd love to hear it. I realise that there's only one known copy in the world and that's in Japan, but I was wondering if you could play it off the CD which is legitimate and supplies royalties to the artist and in fact, has earnt him far more in royalties than the one-off copy in Japan ever did. It would really add to the enjoyment of our night, for which we've paid seven pounds entrance fee'?

DJ Warwick Hunt: "No, sorry mate, original vinyl only. If you wanna hear that you'll have to go to Japan'.

Ian D

Or he might say ............. feckin great mate.................I ve just bought this FROM JAPAN, It has taken me 30 years to save up and find this copy !!!!

"THEN CAN I HAVE A LOOK AT IT BUDDY? ........... "FAIR PLAY MATE !!!!!" "YOU FECKING LOVE IT DONT YOU !!!! "

[Pete Eccles]

Great post Pete,

and nice Boxer dog.

Cheers Mark, how much do you want to take the bugger off my hands

He's ace really till i shout second issue then he knows he's in trouble

Edited September 21, 2008 by pete60

[Guest]

I know what will help sort this out, i'm gonna find a venue, start a monthly night, charge peeps 3,4, 5, quid entry, and along with 2 or 3 mates play our bedroom/front room top 20's, if by chance the punters (dreadful term) don't have the same taste as me and my mates and don't instantly 'switch on' to the tunes i have listened to countless times in my 'bubble' i can always label them buffoons, come on here and preach that the minnions out there need educating (the worst term ever) and wonder why my/our music isn't appreciated by the ignorant masses, then we can all have a group hug and console each other in the knowledge we know best,

That's if this hasn't already been tried?

Do/dance/listen to and enjoy whatever it is that floats ya boat, and don't be dismayed/bewildered if it ain't anyone elses cup o tea,

OVO or otherwise lifes too short,

I'm a hypocrit on these matters I suppose. I totally agree with the above yet run an ovo venue, although I admit, I dont stand by the door and vigourously check all vinyl brought in by guest Dj's BUT Neil wouldn't book a DJ who doesn't have the tunes to play and it's well known that when Neil, Dolly or I buy vinyl it's been ovo and all our residents play ovo.

You'd never get an equal view on here because the kind of people who attend or run the venue's that are badly termed CRaP would not be interested in a thread like this in the first place and many of them dont even bother with the internet!.

Good points earlier in thread too from Soulsorts.

Jayne.x.

Edited September 21, 2008 by Miss BurySoul