O.v.o And C.r.&.p Venues

[Guest Paul]

Can I play "Rita and the tiaras " - gone with the wind" then at our local on original uk ?

Even if you say I can I wont !!!!!!!!

not until I get the Dot/Dore issue

Hello Mossy,

It's an open dore policy. And the dores open at 9.00 on the dot.

No pun(s) intended.

Paul

[Guest]

Hello Mossy,

It's an open dore policy. And the dores open at 9.00 on the dot.

No pun(s) intended.

Paul

very good, now I am off to maxporn.com for a wank and then a sleep !

Have a nice weekend!

I'm off to rhyl scooter rally where mark speakman and chico will be good ! ovo of course !!!

Edited September 18, 2008 by mossy

[vaultofsouler]

I'm glad we agree about bootlegs, Mark, and I respect your views about OVO.

By the way, I also think it's fine for a DJ to play 45s or LP tracks on UK labels, old or new, as long as they are legitimate issues. And they often sound better.

Best wishes,

Paul

Not sure about the "new although legitimate" bit personally Paul.... I'm assuming these are Soul City, Grapevine, Sevens, etc., that you're meaning....

Think my "original" stance is more 1st issue be it US or UK and 45 or LP only track.... I know the 1st issue can mean 2 of them if being padantic, i.e. local and national or different labels east or west, etc., in US, but you get my drift....

I'll just add that, more so in the case of Modern Soul, CD also if that's the song's 1st issue.... purpose made vinyl for unreleased stuff is always the more "iffy" one to get agreement on...

Not everyones idea of what's original I suppose.... just mine.... and perhaps a few others....

Soulfully.... Mark

[Mike]

offtopic crap and chat removed

member warned

[Guest Paul]

Not sure about the "new although legitimate" bit personally Paul.... I'm assuming these are Soul City, Grapevine, Sevens, etc., that you're meaning....

Think my "original" stance is more 1st issue be it US or UK and 45 or LP only track.... I know the 1st issue can mean 2 of them if being padantic, i.e. local and national or different labels east or west, etc., in US, but you get my drift....

I'll just add that, more so in the case of Modern Soul, CD also if that's the song's 1st issue.... purpose made vinyl for unreleased stuff is always the more "iffy" one to get agreement on...

Not everyones idea of what's original I suppose.... just mine.... and perhaps a few others....

Soulfully.... Mark

I'm confident that all Kent and Grapevine 45s are legitimate and they tend to be the first UK issues rather than reissues of popular oldies. In some cases they are the only issues anyway.

And my own Selecta and Shotgun labels fall into that category (apologies for the shameless plug).

I don't have enough knowledge of some of the other labels so I'd rather not comment. And it would be wrong to generalise.

It was actually older 45s I had in mind. London, Action, Stateside, Mojo, Contempo, etc. There are plenty of great soul tracks in those catalogues.

I think I have a soft spot for UK labels.

Not a fetish, just a soft spot.

[Guest]

Not sure about the "new although legitimate" bit personally Paul.... I'm assuming these are Soul City, Grapevine, Sevens, etc., that you're meaning....

Soulfully.... Mark

I think he is on about unreleased vintage stuff on very first releases ala Kent etc ????????

I may be wrong !

Edited September 18, 2008 by mossy

[vaultofsouler]

Not sure about the "new although legitimate" bit personally Paul.... I'm assuming these are Soul City, Grapevine, Sevens, etc., that you're meaning....

Soulfully.... Mark

"Not sure about the 'new although legitimate' bit personally Paul"

I meant not sure about agreeing to them being played Paul, not their legitimacy, with the above comment in reply to this part of yours....

"or new, as long as they are legitimate issues."

Sorry if read otherwise....

Edited September 18, 2008 by vaultofsouler

[Guest Paul]

I think he is on about unreleased vintage stuff on very first releases ala Kent etc ????????

I may be wrong !

You're quite right, Carla Thomas being a good example. And Eddie Holman and Al Williams and Gloria Shannon etc etc.

In fact we should start a thread to list all the great tracks which were first issued on UK labels.

We could even try to stay on-topic.

[Guest Paul]

"Not sure about the 'new although legitimate' bit personally Paul"

I meant not sure about agreeing to them being played Paul, not their legitimacy, with the above comment in reply to this part of yours....

"or new, as long as they are legitimate issues."

Sorry if read otherwise....

I understand now.

I think UK 45s are valid but I see your point.

Like I said to Mossy, there are some great 45s which were only ever issued in the UK. And some great CD tracks too. I think they should all be played.

A good example is "I'm Here Now That You Need Me" by JJ Barnes which I raved about when it turned up on the Cellarfull Of Soul 3 album. That deserves to be heard in clubs.

We really should have a thead about UK issues, Mark. There have been so many gems.

Best wishes,

Paul

[vaultofsouler]

I understand now.

I think UK 45s are valid but I see your point.

Like I said to Mossy, there are some great 45s which were only ever issued in the UK. And some great CD tracks too. I think they should all be played.

A good example is "I'm Here Now That You Need Me" by JJ Barnes which I raved about when it turned up on the Cellarfull Of Soul 3 album. That deserves to be heard in clubs.

We really should have a thead about UK issues, Mark. There have been so many gems.

Best wishes,

Paul

So do I as said in this bit of my reply....

"Think my "original" stance is more 1st issue be it US or UK and 45 or LP only track"

As in these what you say that were the UK release of the US release....

"It was actually older 45s I had in mind. London, Action, Stateside, Mojo, Contempo, etc. There are plenty of great soul tracks in those catalogues."

I'm just not in agreement with the "new" Grapevine, Sevens, etc., being played....

The Kent stuff comes under the "previously unreleased" banner so is viewed differently in my opinion....

p.s. as for a new thread re UK relesed stuff.... maybe sometime next year when this debate is finally over ....

Edited September 18, 2008 by vaultofsouler

[Guest Paul]

So do I as said in this bit of my reply....

"Think my "original" stance is more 1st issue be it US or UK and 45 or LP only track"

As in these what you say that were the UK release of the US release....

"It was actually older 45s I had in mind. London, Action, Stateside, Mojo, Contempo, etc. There are plenty of great soul tracks in those catalogues."

I'm just not in agreement with the "new" Grapevine, Sevens, etc., being played....

The Kent stuff comes under the "previously unreleased" banner so is viewed differently in my opinion....

p.s. as for a new thread re UK relesed stuff.... maybe sometime next year when this debate is finally over ....

Don't forget that many Grapevine 45s also come under the "previously unreleased" banner and had their first (and only) issue on that label.

"Hold Me In Your Arms" by Eddie Holman and "Try Them" by Al Williams are good examples. And others by The Detroit Magnificents, Chuck Brooks, Dottie Pearson, etc.

And last year there was "You Better Keep What You Got" by Rozetta Johnson on my Shotgun label. That comes under the same banner and shouldn't be overlooked.

A shameless plug but it's a great track.

Paul

[vaultofsouler]

Don't forget that many Grapevine 45s also come under the "previously unreleased" banner and had their first (and only) issue on that label.

"Hold Me In Your Arms" by Eddie Holman and "Try Them" by Al Williams are good examples. And others by The Detroit Magnificents, Chuck Brooks, Dottie Pearson, etc.

And last year there was "You Better Keep What You Got" by Rozetta Johnson on my Shotgun label. That comes under the same banner and shouldn't be overlooked.

A shameless plug but it's a great track.

Paul

"Nowt wrong wi pluggin summat".... as we'd say Paul.... Rozetta Johnson is an excellent track.... got her "Mine Was Real" release on Clintone.... also a nice track IMO....

Back on topic.... yes you're right of course.... was thinking more along the lines of the tracks from previous US/UK releases that were put out on Grapevine, Sevens, etc., in general rather than "unreleased" stuff....

Edited September 18, 2008 by vaultofsouler

[Guest Simon]

A good example is "I'm Here Now That You Need Me" by JJ Barnes which I raved about when it turned up on the Cellarfull Of Soul 3 album. That deserves to be heard in clubs.

I started a thread on this a few months ago enquiring whether it was available on vinyl, lovely track!

Simon

[Guest Simon]

Back on topic.... yes you're right of course.... was thinking more along the lines of the tracks from previous US/UK releases that were put out on Grapevine, Sevens, etc., in general rather than "unreleased" stuff....

There's some unreleased stuff on Goldmine, Edwin Starr - You got to be foolin (I think) & Diane Lewis - Keep a hold on me, that's a couple off the top of my head, i'm sure there's more.

Two great tracks, the only problem is as soon as people see that Goldmine lable spinning on the decks they assume it's a re-issue.

Simon

[Benji]

You can add another O.V.O venue to the list Steve, only one punter and one DJ though 'Bicknell's Bedroom' pretty good across the board music policy played on first class equipment, decent stylus changed on a regular basis.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

yeah but I've heard they have lousy bar staff at bicknell's and the owner isn't that happy if you put talc on the floor

[jocko]

Wind away if you like Beeks, without personal abuse if possible mind, but you've shot yourself in the foot with the remarks about the leading DJs, and again with the remark about RW.. he is the total antithesis of what Butch, Mick, Andy and a few more stand for!

Do you really believe he knew what he is talking about? Facts scream otherwise

You still know who RW is though...so my point was proven...boots...reissues aside...he's recognised and the remarks were tongue in cheek...like most of my comments on here...you just need to know how to take me...Jocko doesn't

I am not sure where you wound me up about the DJ's, do you want to highlight any posts where I said anything after you made a complete twat of yourself by your responses, do you want to highlight it and show in my posts, oh no thats right you can't. I set you a little trap and again you and your village fool of a mouth walks into into it.

Which of these 4 top DJ's did you see on your years on the scooter scene or at which weekender or alternatively where did you see them. Oh thats right another question you will ignore while throwing around personal insults.

The problem with the internet is any fool can reinvent themselves, the good thing is it takes a clever fool to keep up pretence. You have yet again shot yourself in the foot with some lies, last time I couldnt be assed exposing you but not sure why I shouldn't this time, maybe we can have a drink in the Dry Bar and talk it over or maybe not.....

Sorry Mike but yet again this oaf shouts his mouth off with personal insults that I find hard to just ignore,.

In answer to one of your questions Walter (assume you dont want me to call you Mr Mitty) yes I was minding my own business where you were concerned, the posts if they have not been deleted will prove that. I tend to find it easy to ignore foolish little children, oh another thing you are pretending about, you donmt even have the excuse of youth do you.

You need professional help, I can't help you with that, you are however forcing me to teach you a hard lesson about life, you can choose just how hard that lesson is.

[Guest Beeks]

Do you really believe he knew what he is talking about? Facts scream otherwise

I am not sure where you wound me up about the DJ's, do you want to highlight any posts where I said anything after you made a complete twat of yourself by your responses, do you want to highlight it and show in my posts, oh no thats right you can't. I set you a little trap and again you and your village fool of a mouth walks into into it.

Which of these 4 top DJ's did you see on your years on the scooter scene or at which weekender or alternatively where did you see them. Oh thats right another question you will ignore while throwing around personal insults.

The problem with the internet is any fool can reinvent themselves, the good thing is it takes a clever fool to keep up pretence. You have yet again shot yourself in the foot with some lies, last time I couldnt be assed exposing you but not sure why I shouldn't this time, maybe we can have a drink in the Dry Bar and talk it over or maybe not.....

Sorry Mike but yet again this oaf shouts his mouth off with personal insults that I find hard to just ignore,.

In answer to one of your questions Walter (assume you dont want me to call you Mr Mitty) yes I was minding my own business where you were concerned, the posts if they have not been deleted will prove that. I tend to find it easy to ignore foolish little children, oh another thing you are pretending about, you donmt even have the excuse of youth do you.

You need professional help, I can't help you with that, you are however forcing me to teach you a hard lesson about life, you can choose just how hard that lesson is.

Jocko your opinion of me is irellevant...the very fact that you swear and threaten me on here makes me laugh...I value your input as much as I value what I excrete in the morning after breakfast whilst reading the paper...so no matter what supposedly cutting comments you make on here to show off to your peers I will continue to smile...make new friends and be happy...while you stew in your obvious great knowledge...I never lose any sleep over it...im saying no more on this subject...this is not about music anymore...it is about your character...and I deem it no longer worthy of keyboard use

Cheers

Beeks

[Steve G]

Sorry Steve, I just can't get my head around some of this..

I can't get me head around some of this either Gav - but maybe from the other end of the telescope.

V busy at work as you'd expect right now, but will try and summarise when I get a chance.

Edited September 18, 2008 by Steve G

[jocko]

Jocko your opinion of me is irellevant...the very fact that you swear and threaten me on here makes me laugh...I value your input as much as I value what I excrete in the morning after breakfast whilst reading the paper...so no matter what supposedly cutting comments you make on here to show off to your peers I will continue to smile...make new friends and be happy...while you stew in your obvious great knowledge...I never lose any sleep over it...im saying no more on this subject...this is not about music anymore...it is about your character...and I deem it no longer worthy of keyboard use

Cheers

Beeks

I repeat then highlight where its about my character and where it was not me merely responding

This is the problem you throw muck then act like you have been wronged, you put up a lot of crap and when asked to justify it you just walk away from your lies.

Show me where I did not merely respond to your "winding up" as you called it, or are you denying that as well now, thankfully that is still here for all to see or are you denying you started this whole thing to wind me up now, as you previously said you did.

I hate liars, but was going to ignore you as you arent on my radar, with this you completely brought it all out again, last time I said leave me out of it in future and I would leave well alone, I stuck to my side of the bargain, you have now crossed the line with purely personal stuff, but yet again you claim to be wronged. I have no other option to defend myself against your muck, by any means necessary!

[Guest Gavin Page]

I can't get me head around some of this either Gav - but maybe from the other end of the telescope.

V busy at work as you'd expect right now, but will try and summarise when I get a chance.

I am sure you are mate, not good times

Rant over, coat got gone... Take Care

[Spacehopper]

i thought this thread was about a list of some sort cant remember the last time i saw it !.....sadly seems to have gone the same way as many before it ....round and round for a bit before the negative comes out.....obviously we are all passionate but lets try keep on topic and beeks maybe you should stop saying things just to wind people up...an internet forum is not like chatting over a pint !...damn my teas gone cold again ...bloody soulsource !!

[Guest Gavin Page]

damn my teas gone cold again ...bloody soulsource !!

[Mark Bicknell]

This is one of the main reasons why I and I'm sure many others out there choose not to contribute or get involved on here as much as we used too due to the constant barrage of personal abuse, attacts, snipping, bad blood, people who think they can say what they like to who they like and stuff the consiquences, I myself have been involved in some of the negative stuff on here in the past and even closed my account a couple of times to try and avoid the conflict with one or two people, the best way to combat the bad vibes is I feel to totally ignore it and not rise to the bait, often saying nothing speaks far more than steaming straight in there with all guns blazing, I'm not gonna directly comment on this current thread and batlle of wills between 'Jock' who I know very well and respect a great deal and 'Beeks' who I don't know as any comment would be percieved as being biast towards Jock, the problem with Soul Source sometimes is the passion gets in the way and we become very deffensive, angry and self opinionated and often some comments and observations can be totally taken out of context or read in a totally different way to which they were written, basically sometimes putting words in the original posters mouth or seeing things in a totally different light.

I must say I can honestly say I'm happy to not be involved with the scene too much anymore and the main reason for this is to do with this constant infighting and pretty much all negative threads and actions on and off this website and have no real desire to be involved or around something I once loved because it's been destroyed from it's very core, nothing to do with the music or the joy and pleasure it still it gives me as that will last forever.

This is really hard to say but if I'm totally honest the SCENE bores the shit out of me and has no real draw anymore even from a DJ perspective I'm just not interested which is partly to do with all the crap that goes on behind the scenes and on public forums etc. the bullies, pontificating and all the other negative stuff just ends up chipping away at you and in the end you just don't care anymore. I've got to the stage where it's really not that important anymore and basically I don't care what people think, say or do no mater who they are, respect due to many people on the scene and here on Soul Source and the scene in general but please if you have a beef with someone maybe try and sort it out off this forum if possible.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

Edited September 18, 2008 by Mark Bicknell

[Guest Beeks]

This is one of the main reasons why I and I'm sure many others out there choose not to contribute or get involved on here as much as we used too due to the constant barrage of personal abuse, attacts, snipping, bad blood, people who think they can say what they like to who they like and stuff the consiquences, I myself have been involved in some of the negative stuff on here in the past and even closed my account a couple of times to try and avoid the conflict with one or two people, the best way to combat the bad vibes is I feel to totally ignore it and not rise to the bait, often saying nothing speaks far more than steaming straight in there with all guns blazing, I'm not gonna directly comment on this current thread and batlle of wills between 'Jock' who I know very well and respect a great deal and 'Beeks' who I don't know as any comment would be percieved as being biast towards Jock, the problem with Soul Source sometimes is the passion gets in the way and we become very deffensive, angry and self opinionated and often some comments and observations can be totally taken out of context or read in a totally different way to which they were written, basically sometimes putting words in the original posters mouth or seeing things in a totally different light.

I must say I can honestly say I'm happy to not be involved with the scene too much anymore and the main reason for this is to do with this constant infighting and pretty much all negative threads and actions on and off this website and have no real desire to be involved or around something I once loved because it's been destroyed from it's very core, nothing to do with the music or the joy and pleasure it still it gives me as that will last forever.

This is really hard to say but if I'm totally honest the SCENE bores the shit out of me and has no real draw anymore even from a DJ perspective I'm just not interested which is partly to do with all the crap that goes on behind the scenes and on public forums etc. the bullies, pontificating and all the other negative stuff just ends up chipping away at you and it the end you just don't care anymore. I've got to the stage where it's really not that important anymore and basically I don't care what people think, say or do no mater who they are, respect due to many people on the scene and here on Soul Source and the scene in general but please if you have a beef with someone maybe try and sort it out off this forum if possible.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

To be honest Mark thats a very well thought out and intelligent post and it certainly makes me sit back and think...everything gets blown out of proportion on the internet and on here I have a much shorter fuse than in the real world where I am very laid back...thanks for the reality check

[Pete S]

I spent over 20 years going to Northern do's and almost every punter to a man was interested in how good the record was AND what label it was on. Why are these mutually exclusive.

Jock, I think it's a case of 'that was then, this is now'. Back in the old days I would travel miles and miles to hear a dj play just that one big record. Now I wouldn't travel to the end of my road. Things like this just aren't important to me anymore.

[Mark Bicknell]

Jock, I think it's a case of 'that was then, this is now'. Back in the old days I would travel miles and miles to hear a dj play just that one big record. Now I wouldn't travel to the end of my road. Things like this just aren't important to me anymore.

Nail on head there Pete so much more in life to deal with and enjoy, family, business, football etc. etc. we all know N-Soul can take over your life it certainly did mine for over 30 years and perhaps as a way of life it's not all it's cracked up to be again nothing to do with the wonderful music just all the other stuff that comes with the commitment and passion.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

[Mike]

I repeat then highlight where its about my character and where it was not me merely responding

This is the problem you throw muck then act like you have been wronged, you put up a lot of crap and when asked to justify it you just walk away from your lies.

Show me where I did not merely respond to your "winding up" as you called it, or are you denying that as well now, thankfully that is still here for all to see or are you denying you started this whole thing to wind me up now, as you previously said you did.

I hate liars, but was going to ignore you as you arent on my radar, with this you completely brought it all out again, last time I said leave me out of it in future and I would leave well alone, I stuck to my side of the bargain, you have now crossed the line with purely personal stuff, but yet again you claim to be wronged. I have no other option to defend myself against your muck, by any means necessary!

jock

as posted last nite

the site has took action

if do need to carry this on ask that do it via pms

[Mike]

Jocko your opinion of me is irellevant...the very fact that you swear and threaten me on here makes me laugh...I value your input as much as I value what I excrete in the morning after breakfast whilst reading the paper...so no matter what supposedly cutting comments you make on here to show off to your peers I will continue to smile...make new friends and be happy...while you stew in your obvious great knowledge...I never lose any sleep over it...im saying no more on this subject...this is not about music anymore...it is about your character...and I deem it no longer worthy of keyboard use

Cheers

Beeks

third and the final time asking you to leave this out

[jocko]

Jock, I think it's a case of 'that was then, this is now'. Back in the old days I would travel miles and miles to hear a dj play just that one big record. Now I wouldn't travel to the end of my road. Things like this just aren't important to me anymore.

That wasn't really my point in isolation there Pete, I think it was being implied again that dancers dont care, implying anyone who dances isn't into the collecting side, in my circle they did and do and for most of the people around in 80's/90's it was just a given. I always think its selling a large number opf "punters" short with this implication

I think I said later though that it is different now, and yes me too, I travel rarely for a number for of reasons, and in light of the recent crap thrown around on here, you are right, its even less important!

[jocko]

jock

as posted last nite

the site has took action

if do need to carry this on ask that do it via pms

I suggested that last night Mike and it was ignored. What I assume were drunken rants last night were after I went to bed, I trust you will understand why I find it hard to ignore when somebody relentlessly goes on about me personally and then when asked to justify just throws more muck with no justification.

I am sure you appreciate more than most how easy it is for people to stick something on print then just walk away from it, he has done this relentlessly and each time I ask to justify its just left. I assume the warnings are more why he is not gobbing something personal at me again rather any actual realisation.

However I appreciate none of this makes your life easier, and just makes this site not a nice place for people, for that I do apologise.

I am serious with my intention if I am left out of all this I will not respond, I have asked this twice and it has been ignored, but yes I will deal with personally rather than on site.

And reading this back I can't beleive I am being sucked into something so childish, so apologies again to everyone, and especially to the Mods.

Back seat for a while again

[Guest Beeks]

I suggested that last night Mike and it was ignored. What I assume were drunken rants last night were after I went to bed, I trust you will understand why I find it hard to ignore when somebody relentlessly goes on about me personally and then when asked to justify just throws more muck with no justification.

I am sure you appreciate more than most how easy it is for people to stick something on print then just walk away from it, he has done this relentlessly and each time I ask to justify its just left. I assume the warnings are more why he is not gobbing something personal at me again rather any actual realisation.

However I appreciate none of this makes your life easier, and just makes this site not a nice place for people, for that I do apologise.

I am serious with my intention if I am left out of all this I will not respond, I have asked this twice and it has been ignored, but yes I will deal with personally rather than on site.

And reading this back I can't beleive I am being sucked into something so childish, so apologies again to everyone, and especially to the Mods.

Back seat for a while again

You threatened me on page 11 Jocko...just be glad I doidn't report you to Mike, but i'm not that petty

I'm giving you a wide berth from now on.

[Mike]

You threatened me on page 11 Jocko...just be glad I doidn't report you to Mike, but i'm not that petty

I'm giving you a wide berth from now on.

asked you to drop it

account suspended for 24 hrs

carry this on and next time it be a week and then 2 and .....

[Guest Paul]

...I think it was being implied again that dancers dont care...

Good morning, Jocko.

There was no such implication. Please don't read things out of context or read things which weren't even written or implied. My point was clearly that most people, in my opinion, are more interested in the music than the rarity aspect ...or anything else for that matter.

It certainly wasn't intended to offend anyone and I'm amazed that you're still going on about it.

I had to put up with your insults such as "patronising" and "libertarian freedom fighter" for something I hadn't even said.

I was angry yesterday but today is a new day. I've put it behind me now.

Let's just accept that things can easily be misinterpreted or misunderstood, especially on the internet. And we can all take ourselves just a bit too seriously at times.

Enjoy the music and enjoy the chat. We could all be struck by lightning tomorrow.

Paul

[Guest Roddy]

i dont know if this is relevent to the ovo thread but it is for me last week i went from Scotland to Middleton which as you know has three rooms i heard records in all three rooms which i couldnt have heard on CD OR MP3 as i didnt know what they were.

i met people from up and down the country that i dont talk to except at soul nights.

and i ha a fuckin good time.

Now i know the records i heard were on origanal format because no one would have bootlegged them.

As i ave said before it is a secret and esoteric scene and that is why it has resisted the attempts at media takeover for decades.

There is a do in Scotland pretty much every weekend and the majority of them play origanal vinyal i go occasionaly if i am not goig to a nighter down south or in Europe.

If people want to go to local social doos then great but for me it will always be about hearing that new tune in a big venue that makes you run up to the decks and say "what the f*** was that".

[Guest nomad]

Thank god for showing us a little mercy

Back on topic...

I cant ever recall walking onto the floor to dance to a sound then having a change of heart because its a pressing or a carver etc. I have slight memories of a night in Wigan when Pat Bredy played the Del Capris (Construction) when it was released on GV. The floor was as packed as usual if my memory serves me right....which I hope it still does

[Guest ruffsounds]

Its all irrespective this weekend at all the various venues wether they play OV, boots or reissues as 90% of the punters know whats going to be played at said venues but will still go along and support them, either because its close to home its the venue they prefer to support or they want something different.

It will always be the same just like the Mecca Vs Wigan used to be, so once again this weekend it will be the paying public that decide what format they will be listening and dancing to wether we like it not as without them this thread would not be here now, we can all ask people to vote for a certain party i.e. Labour, Conservative whatever but most will still vote for the things they know and are happy with, so just enjoy the music this weekend for what it is N/S.

cheers Ralph

[Modernsoulsucks]

There's now some confusion in my mind as to what we're all talking about. My DJ Biffo is a nice guy who happens to love his NS but doesn't have all of it on OVO which doesn't make him less passionate than those of us who do. Pete60 pointed out to me that nowadays everybody has much more varied committments and responsibilities than when they were younger and yet they still take the time to arrange to go out if only to a local do suggesting some love for the music. That they may or may not be too concerned with the format does not diminish that.

DJ Lazy seems a completely different kettle of fish whose sole purpose from the way I read it is personal glorification, second to making a few bob. Well, there's been a few like that and they weren't all playing boots.

I just don't think the original question leads to an "either...or" situation. Jocko rightly says that the collecting of OVO goes right back and forms the core of the scene for a lot of people. A quick aside here cos it wasn't always so in that I remember getting Tempos off Richard after it had been bootlegged for the price of a new release. The jocks and a lot of collectors used to off-load 45s when available to the masses and that only started to change I'd guess from mid '70's onwards. However there have always been those who bought bootlegs or a mixture of both and no one got too exercised about it.

Finally I'd refute the notion that the only way to hear good records is to travel miles to a "big venue" or allnighter. Im sure Steve G and others has done their share of small local clubs and have had people coming up to the decks to check out what they were playing; OK, in Steve's case probably with an ugly look and baseball bats but at least they were motivated by his selections. [Can't do "smilies" so this is an attempt at humour Steve]

ROD

Edited September 18, 2008 by modernsoulsucks

[Mike]

ok going to drop the recent member related posts in a moment

as member not got access and it doesnt really help things

ok posts removed

know it was a bit of a laugh but due to above think may be better

[Ian Dewhirst]

There's now some confusion in my mind as to what we're all talking about. My DJ Biffo is a nice guy who happens to love his NS but doesn't have all of it on OVO which doesn't make him less passionate than those of us who do. Pete60 pointed out to me that nowadays everybody has much more varied committments and responsibilities than when they were younger and yet they still take the time to arrange to go out if only to a local do suggesting some love for the music. That they may or may not be too concerned with the format does not diminish that.

DJ Lazy seems a completely different kettle of fish whose sole purpose from the way I read it is personal glorification, second to making a few bob. Well, there's been a few like that and they weren't all playing boots.

I just don't think the original question leads to an "either...or" situation. Jocko rightly says that the collecting of OVO goes right back and forms the core of the scene for a lot of people. A quick aside here cos it wasn't always so in that I remember getting Tempos off Richard after it had been bootlegged for the price of a new release. The jocks and a lot of collectors used to off-load 45s when available to the masses and that only started to change I'd guess from mid '70's onwards. However there have always been those who bought bootlegs or a mixture of both and no one got too exercised about it.

Finally I'd refute the notion that the only way to hear good records is to travel miles to a "big venue" or allnighter. Im sure Steve G and others has done their share of small local clubs and have had people coming up to the decks to check out what they were playing; OK, in Steve's case probably with an ugly look and baseball bats but at least they were motivated by his selections. [Can't do "smilies" so this is an attempt at humour Steve]

ROD

The would be the North East Yorkshire variety of sledgehammer humour then Rod?

Ian D

P.S. To get a smiley, you go to the box on the left and, errr, click on the appropriate smiley and it will drop it where you want it hopefully.

[Modernsoulsucks]

The would be the North East Yorkshire variety of sledgehammer humour then Rod?

Ian D

P.S. To get a smiley, you go to the box on the left and, errr, click on the appropriate smiley and it will drop it where you want it hopefully.

No it's Manchester humour where "knobhead" and "do one" are intimations of affection.

ROD

[Steve G]

[Can't do "smilies" so this is an attempt at humour Steve]

ROD

your best attempt yet Rod

[Steve G]

i thought this thread was about a list of some sort cant remember the last time i saw it !.....

I'll update it when I get a chance....

[Jumpinjoan]

Joan i've been going to scooter rallies and weekenders for many years, i've seen most of the top DJs...Russ Winstanley has even played for me at one of my nights(Eyes Down in Dry Bar) So this attending venues thing is wearing a little thin

WTF has Dustbin Stanley got to do with the DJ's you stated?

You cited Butch, Mick H, Andy Dyson and Cliff Steele by name - commenting on their record collections and the records they play in their DJ sets.

Have you ever seen them DJ?

And as for your "So this attending venues thing is wearing a little thin lol" comment - well I guess it would do when you aren't attending any of the venues you seem so keen to voice an opinnion on.

[Trev Thomas]

ok going to drop the recent member related posts in a moment

as member not got access and it doesnt really help things

ok posts removed

know it was a bit of a laugh but due to above think may be better

o.k. mike, thats fair enough......but you've got to admit, it was funny as fcuk, can i post it back up tomorrow when he's back off the naughty step

[Steve G]

South East

Letchworth Irish centre

Soul@Hitchinfc - Hitchin

South Essex Soul Club - Capones

West Mids

DOuble Deckers

Good times

Mids / East Anglia

Attic Club

Bentinck (Back Room)

Select Soul Burton

Willington

Creative Soul @ Silks Wellingborough

East Lincoln Soul Club

Cream Cracker

North / North West

the Junction Middleton jn

Bradford morley carr wmc

York Soul Club

DDA Room Lowton

Mark Bicknell's front room

Scotland

Basics Edinburgh

Spiders Web Edinburgh

Soul in the City Dundee

Real Deal Aberdeen

Black Trackin' Glasgow

South West

Soul Nights at Bridgwater Somerset

The SOul Side @ The Loft Bar, Bournemouth Uni

Go Go Children Bristol

And allnighters I can pretty certainly say based on the DJ line up

Lifeline

100 Club

Burnley

Hitsville events

Across the Board events which don't play bootlegs but play music on any other format

Orwell Wigan

3 Greyhounds

The Greatstone

Soul Essence

Have I missed anyone

Edited September 18, 2008 by Steve G

[Sean Hampsey]

Across the Board events which don't play bootlegs but play music on any other format

Orwell Wigan

3 Greyhounds

Soul Essence

Have I missed anyone

Right Steve.

Excellent initiative to make the distinction.

Sharpens up the Blurred edges we were talking about earlier.

Thanks for that!

Sean

[Chalky]

WTF has Dustbin Stanley got to do with the DJ's you stated?

You cited Butch, Mick H, Andy Dyson and Cliff Steele by name - commenting on their record collections and the records they play in their DJ sets.

Have you ever seen them DJ?

And as for your "So this attending venues thing is wearing a little thin lol" comment - well I guess it would do when you aren't attending any of the venues you seem so keen to voice an opinnion on.

I doubt any of the DJ's he mentioned have DJ'ed at any scooter rally Beeks has attended, have they been to any scooter rallies I still doubt he's heard them DJ.

[Jumpinjoan]

Have I missed anyone

What is it a list of Steve?

I do pay attention - honest!

[Jumpinjoan]

I doubt any of the DJ's he mentioned have DJ'ed at any scooter rally Beeks has attended, have they been to any scooter rallies I still doubt he's heard them DJ.

That's the point Chalks.

How anyone can have so much to say about things they know so little about is beyond me.

Edited September 18, 2008 by jumpinjoan

[Steve G]

What is it a list of Steve?

I do pay attention - honest!

Ha Joan. P1 Post 1.....a list of venues that play OVO.

My next challenge might be to list those that play interesting stuff versus boring stuff...but that would be just tooooooooo subjective and would lead to all manner of punch ups - so may just stay with OV v CR&P

Edited September 18, 2008 by Steve G