O.v.o And C.r.&.p Venues

[Steve G]

Thread for listing venues that play:

Original Vinyl Only (OVO)

CD's , Reissues and Pressings. (C.R.A.P)

I'll start off

Letchworth Irish Centre - OVO

And also discussion on original vinyl, reissues etc.

Edited September 22, 2008 by Steve G

[soul45s]

Thread for listing venues that play:

Original Vinyl Only (OVO)

Bradford Morley Carr WMC

[chrissie]

Thread for listing venues that play:

Original Vinyl Only (OVO)

CD's , Reissues and Pressings. (C.R.A.P)

I'll start off

Letchworth Irish Centre - OVO

As you know I am of the OVO only persuasion, and when a soul night is bigged up on here by promoters, DJs and it looks worth the travel, only to get there to find one or two of the DJs are playing re-issues or boots when I could of stayed locally at a free entry event for probably a better night out it really hacks me off.

QoFxx

Edited September 14, 2008 by chrissie

[Steve G]

[Supercorsa]

In which camp would those that play carvers of LP & CD tracks fall?

[Simon M]

In which camp would those that play carvers of LP & CD tracks fall?

Yeah and re-issues of Little Major Williams and Halo

[Steve G]

In which camp would those that play carvers of LP & CD tracks fall?

I think if someone has made a couple of carvers of LP tracks so that they don't have to cart an LP box around - probably still OVO. I put a few of my cover ups on carvers - saves on sellotape and protects the original.

[Steve G]

Yeah and re-issues of Little Major Williams and Halo

This is a serious discussion Simon - away with your Pendulum and Marshall copies

the real challenge would be something like Al Mason - where the 12" came well before the 7" and then later still the singer himself legitimately reissued it. Probably all 3 formats acceptable on that one.

What we're really getting at though is venues that have jocks playing styrene boots from the 70s of big W*gan tunes and recent reissues of previously released stuff.

[Supercorsa]

I think if someone has made a couple of carvers of LP tracks so that they don't have to cart an LP box around - probably still OVO. I put a few of my cover ups on carvers - saves on sellotape and protects the original.

But in my opinion these wouldn't be originals, therefore could not be played at OVO event.

By the way I'm just playing Devil's Advocate.

[Steve G]

But in my opinion these wouldn't be originals, therefore could not be played at OVO event.

By the way I'm just playing Devil's Advocate.

I know, but it's easy to get hung up on these things and it all to become a bit anal. As said to Simon M really looking at venues that play 70s pressings of wigan biggies and recent reissues of previously issued stuff. No problem with previously unreleased stuff either - e.g. Hesitations last year Kent 45 - absolutely needed to be played at all venues and hasn't been played enough.

[Supercorsa]

Talking of anal, a thing I look out for is if DJ's put labels down when submitting playlists. I usually think that this is a tell tale sign to what sort of event it is. I think it should be compulsory on lookbacks to have at least two playlists from each event.

[Guest dundeedavie]

Talking of anal, a thing I look out for is if DJ's put labels down when submitting playlists. I usually think that this is a tell tale sign to what sort of event it is. I think it should be compulsory on lookbacks to have at least two playlists from each event.

a lot of people are protective of their playlists and NEVER post them up om forums ....they are sick to death of snide little gets ripping off their hard searching

[Steve G]

a lot of people are protective of their playlists and NEVER post them up om forums ....they are sick to death of snide little gets ripping off their hard searching

Yeah I can see that too.

[Pete Eccles]

Good thread in theory, but,

Who is gonna post 'we are a C.R.A.P venue?

Secondly if a promoter falsely posts 'we are an OVO venue' who is gonna question it?

Pete Eccles

[Steve G]

Good thread in theory, but,

Who is gonna post 'we are a C.R.A.P venue?

Secondly if a promoter falsely posts 'we are an OVO venue' who is gonna question it?

Pete Eccles

I know. The punters I guess - but don't want it to get like a police state . Perhaps have a DJ charter then - Djs that sign up to playing OVO - that'll sort the wheat from the chaff.

[Steve L]

See below

[Guest gordon russell]

See below

thankfully there are venues were the promoters would not entertain this kind of rubbish....but sadly not around my area . oh hi steve how ya doing mate

[Guest gordon russell]

just a thought my above post does not in any way mean those men of utmost integrity at the ATTIC club who only play class atb tezza

[Steve L]

thankfully there are venues were the promoters would not entertain this kind of rubbish....but sadly not around my area . oh hi steve how ya doing mate

Not bad Terry, looking forward to Burnley - me and the big lad will be there

[chrissie]

thankfully there are venues were the promoters would not entertain this kind of rubbish....but sadly not around my area . oh hi steve how ya doing mate

Name them then Terry.......................as I am intrigued, Letchowrth - OVO, Ath (or wherever they move to) - OVO, Luton - OVO. I would be genuinely interested to know in any of the other venues in this area that don't play OVO and cant off think of any that I go to would not, maybe its because I tend to only go to OVO venues, and then the promoters can defend themselves instead of making a sweeping statement like this.

QoFxx

Edited September 14, 2008 by chrissie

[Guest]

Does'nt it ever get boring , going over the same old C.R.A.P ??? You will find that if you ask MOST punters , the ones who dont collect or dj , that they dont give a toss what a paticular record is on , they just go to dance and have a good time. I dj and DO play OVO , but i have dj'd along side dj's playing boots and pressings ,and i really dont care , the floor is your guide and thats the only guide you need. I understand that its a big deal to some and each to there own ,but you wont change anything , the people who just go out for fun , will still go to the do's playing boots etc that will never change , we all know to a point which venues play which records and choose accordingly , but i would never not go somewhere just because someone played a couple of boots i find it very sad if that is how some choose there nights , to me its who will be there and ATMOSPHERE isnt that what its really about ?? thanks for reading enough waffle now , luv Di xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[Steve G]

Does'nt it ever get boring , going over the same old C.R.A.P ??? You will find that if you ask MOST punters , the ones who dont collect or dj , that they dont give a toss what a paticular record is on , they just go to dance and have a good time. I dj and DO play OVO , but i have dj'd along side dj's playing boots and pressings ,and i really dont care , the floor is your guide and thats the only guide you need. I understand that its a big deal to some and each to there own ,but you wont change anything , the people who just go out for fun , will still go to the do's playing boots etc that will never change , we all know to a point which venues play which records and choose accordingly , but i would never not go somewhere just because someone played a couple of boots i find it very sad if that is how some choose there nights , to me its who will be there and ATMOSPHERE isnt that what its really about ?? thanks for reading enough waffle now , luv Di xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Oh please spare me "the punters don't mind" stuff Di. All DJs play some OVO as far as I can see (unless some play all bootlegs ), but the basic premise is that DJs sHould be booked who have the actual legitimate records to entertain the crowd - not Harry Ramsbottom and his box of pressings of big Wigan sounds. If the promotor doesn't have the DJs that have these on OV, then they've got the wrong DJ's.

Edited September 14, 2008 by Steve G

[Guest john s]

Go, Go Children - Bristol. All original vinyl, no reissues, carvers, bootlegs, CDs, iPods. No 70's, no modern, no disco, no Y2K.

[Steve G]

Go, Go Children - Bristol. All original vinyl, no reissues, carvers, bootlegs, CDs, iPods. No 70's, no modern, no disco, no Y2K.

You are doing a pretty good job of advertising your venue my friend.

[Guest john s]

I'm not sure whether you're being entirely sincere there - but I hope so!

[Guest]

Oh please spare me "the punters don't mind" stuff Di. All DJs play some OVO as far as I can see (unless some play all bootlegs ), but the basic premise is that DJs sHould be booked who have the actual legitimate records to entertain the crowd - not Harry Ramsbottom and his box of pressings of big Wigan sounds. If the promotor doesn't have the DJs that have these on OV, then they've got the wrong DJ's.

Well Steve as i said EACH TO THERE OWN but i certainly wont be spending my fun time , running up to the decks to check whether its an original i've got better things to do. But you did hit the nail on the head when you said the dj's are there to entertain , and thats the whole point isnt it ?? we go out to be entertained and as far as i'm concerned i dont really care how they do it as long as they make me smile and dance. But this is just MY opinion as i said , everybody has one luv Di xxx

[Citizen P]

Oh please spare me "the punters don't mind" stuff Di. All DJs play some OVO as far as I can see (unless some play all bootlegs ), but the basic premise is that DJs sHould be booked who have the actual legitimate records to entertain the crowd - not Harry Ramsbottom and his box of pressings of big Wigan sounds. If the promotor doesn't have the DJs that have these on OV, then they've got the wrong DJ's.

Abso-f*ckin'-lutely!

Oh yeah,

The Junction

Middleton Junction-OVO

Tony

[Guest dundeedavie]

Well Steve as i said EACH TO THERE OWN but i certainly wont be spending my fun time , running up to the decks to check whether its an original i've got better things to do. But you did hit the nail on the head when you said the dj's are there to entertain , and thats the whole point isnt it ?? we go out to be entertained and as far as i'm concerned i dont really care how they do it as long as they make me smile and dance. But this is just MY opinion as i said , everybody has one luv Di xxx

look at it this way , if a venue is playing re-issue and bootlegs then the tunes they are playing have more than likely been hammered as originals for them to be booted so the venues aren't exactly pushing the envelope anyway

[Steve G]

Well Steve as i said EACH TO THERE OWN but i certainly wont be spending my fun time , running up to the decks to check whether its an original i've got better things to do. But you did hit the nail on the head when you said the dj's are there to entertain , and thats the whole point isnt it ?? we go out to be entertained and as far as i'm concerned i dont really care how they do it as long as they make me smile and dance. But this is just MY opinion as i said , everybody has one luv Di xxx

and i am not saying you have to. Your DJs should be clear on what they play, and if they don't have the original they should have the imagination to play something else instead. there are plenty of DJs out there who have good records that the punters like on OV - nobody needs to book the boot players - it's laziness. Steve

[Steve G]

So so far we have declared OVO venues:

Letchworth Irish centre

Bradford morley carr wmc

Good times west mids

Attic Club

go Go Children Bristol

the Junction Middleton jn

Basics Dundee

And allnighters I can pretty certainly say based on the DJ line up

Lifeline

100 Club

Burnley

.....

Edited September 14, 2008 by Steve G

[Guest dundeedavie]

So so far we have declared OVO venues:

Letchworth Irish centre

Bradford morley carr wmc

Good times west mids

Attic Club

go Go Children Bristol

the Junction Middleton jn

Basics Dundee

And allnighters I can pretty certainly say based on the DJ line up

Lifeline

100 Club

Burnley

.....

basics is in edinburgh , i'm in dundee

[Dave Moore]

Hitsville can be added to the OVO list. And that's 2 soul nights, an allnighter and an alldayer, plus 5 x 1 hour radio shows where I doubt there'll be a single repeat play.

[Philly]

basics is in edinburgh , i'm in dundee

So you are Davie.....

Soul in the City is in Dundee and they play OVO......superb.

Phyllis

[Ian Dewhirst]

I know, but it's easy to get hung up on these things and it all to become a bit anal.

A salutary lesson for people who hammer their OV, would be the other week where a famous name DJ had to have his records valued for legal reasons. Condition was marked out of 10 and he was averaging around 5-6 out of 10 on most of his top tunes. In real terms, this meant that his £200K book price of the records was reduced to circa £100-120K because of the relatively poor condition of most of them! This is because he is an OVO DJ and wears his records on his sleeve.

I would have thought that many of these records were really too valuable to be played on an assortment of decks which can only devalue them massively. And collectors and buyers put such a premium on the condition that I'm surprised people would actually risk playing a 5K rarity out on wildly differing equipment. They must be nuts. It's not much fun listening to 'em if they're beaten up or have 'styrene burn'.

Also, I'm noticing a few people now playing boots of their own rarities becuase they don't want to risk wearing out the originals. So if someone has an original Billy Woods on styrene and obviously doesn't want to risk ruining it so plays the bootleg instead, is that acceptable?

Also isn't the whole OVO thing really about money? Namely, whoever can afford to have a boxful of the the most valuable records? If someone won the lottery tomorrow and went on a huge buying spree they could be challenging Butch by mid next week couldn't they?

Playing the format game can only restrict the scene in a wider sense. It strikes me as being elitist for elitist's sake if you see what I mean and will eventually fragment the scene even further because really, 98% of the customers don't even know whether OV is being played or not. They don't mind!

I think that it's really different strokes for different types of events. On the cutting edge of the rare biggies scene naturally everyone would be expected to play OVO. That's the nature of the beast and the kind of gig where an OVO policy possibly makes sense. Although I'm increasingly seeing boxes of carvers at quite a few different gigs these days. As one famous DJ from another 'Rare' scene told me, he doesn't spend £2K on a record to wear it out in a few months. He makes carvers of EVERY rarity he owns and keeps the originals at home.

But you'd seriously have to be stupid to be playing OVO rare oldies on a regular basis. To risk wrecking a Joe Mathews, Billy Woods or Mel Britt to different needles every week is either just plain stupid or a great way to depreciate both your financial and emotional investment by 50%!

Ian D

[Guest Paul]

The recession (...sorry, I meant "credit crunch") will solve a lot of problems.

Nobody will be able to afford to buy rare records, nobody will be able to afford to travel to gigs and nobody will be able to afford an internet connection to discuss topics like this on forums like this.

Things will be so bad than even a free MP3 copy will seem quite expensive.

Paul

[Sebastian]

I think if someone has made a couple of carvers of LP tracks so that they don't have to cart an LP box around - probably still OVO.

With that reasoning, you might as well put your LP-tracks on a CD and play them from that format. It's no different than playing them from a carver. Just bring the LPs! I mean seriously, it's not like you're going to be carting around 100+ LPs. Carrying 5-10 LPs isn't heavy.

the real challenge would be something like Al Mason - where the 12" came well before the 7" and then later still the singer himself legitimately reissued it. Probably all 3 formats acceptable on that one.

I don't get why anyone who collects original releases is interested in reissues like the Al Mason 7" releases? The 12" is the only original release, hence the only acceptable format in my opinion if you have a strict OVO policy.

[Roger Williams]

I know, but it's easy to get hung up on these things and it all to become a bit anal.

You mean by starting a thread of this nature? :lol: :lol:

[Mark Bicknell]

So so far we have declared OVO venues:

Letchworth Irish centre

Bradford morley carr wmc

Good times west mids

Attic Club

go Go Children Bristol

the Junction Middleton jn

Basics Dundee

And allnighters I can pretty certainly say based on the DJ line up

Lifeline

100 Club

Burnley

.....

You can add another O.V.O venue to the list Steve, only one punter and one DJ though 'Bicknell's Bedroom' pretty good across the board music policy played on first class equipment, decent stylus changed on a regular basis.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

[Dave Morris]

I always try to book dj's who have and play O.V.O.for On The Soul Side @ The Loft Bar, Bournemouth Uni.Also believe the other promoters down here do the same.

Dave.

[Ste Henderson]

Although I agree with OVO and the reasons behind it, dont you think it is getting a bit out of hand, much akin to an elitest/fascist movement , where if anybody dared to play a boot they will be taken out to the smoking area and shot

Steve

[Steve G]

You mean by starting a thread of this nature? :lol: :lol:

Hello Roger, nice to hear from you

Edited September 15, 2008 by Steve G

[Steve G]

Although I agree with OVO and the reasons behind it, dont you think it is getting a bit out of hand, much akin to an elitest/fascist movement , where if anybody dared to play a boot they will be taken out to the smoking area and shot

Steve

Not at all - think most people agree there are too many venues and too many DJs. Perhaps a cull of the bootleg players will bring a degree of stability?

[Roger Williams]

Hello Roger, nice to hear from you

Good to know this kind of meaningful debate still rages on in 2008 Steve.

[Steve G]

I would have thought that many of these records were really too valuable to be played on an assortment of decks which can only devalue them massively. And collectors and buyers put such a premium on the condition that I'm surprised people would actually risk playing a 5K rarity out on wildly differing equipment. They must be nuts. It's not much fun listening to 'em if they're beaten up or have 'styrene burn'.

Also, I'm noticing a few people now playing boots of their own rarities becuase they don't want to risk wearing out the originals. So if someone has an original Billy Woods on styrene and obviously doesn't want to risk ruining it so plays the bootleg instead, is that acceptable?

Ian D

God is anyone still playing Billy Woods? Surely hammered to death at this point, and should be left alone for a few years. You know the bigger problem is the amount of DJs I see still back-cueing their records. I am always bolocking people for it.

[Epic]

This thread tends to rear its ugly head every couple of months & quite frankly it never actually changes or achieves anything IMHO.

No doubt that in the next couple of weeks there will be "Wigan Anniversary" nights up & down the country - they will be well attended - they will not be "pushing the envelope" - they will play, no doubt, overplayed oldies. Will they all be on original vinyl ? doubtful - & I don't think the paying punters will really care.

Give it another 6-8 weeks & we can debate all this - AGAIN!!!!!!

[Ste Henderson]

Not at all - think most people agree there are too many venues and too many DJs. Perhaps a cull of the bootleg players will bring a degree of stability?

Agree, a Northern Soul Inquisition?

[ricticman]

So so far we have declared OVO venues:

Letchworth Irish centre

Bradford morley carr wmc

Good times west mids

Attic Club

go Go Children Bristol

the Junction Middleton jn

Basics Dundee

And allnighters I can pretty certainly say based on the DJ line up

Lifeline

100 Club

Burnley

.....

Soul Nights @ Bridgwater ; ovo

[Jellybean]

So so far we have declared OVO venues:

Letchworth Irish centre

Bradford morley carr wmc

Good times west mids

Attic Club

go Go Children Bristol

the Junction Middleton jn

Basics Dundee

And allnighters I can pretty certainly say based on the DJ line up

Lifeline

100 Club

Burnley

.....

Add the "Double Deckers soul club" to this list.......

JB xxxKTFxxx

[Mak]

So so far we have declared OVO venues:

Letchworth Irish centre

Bradford morley carr wmc

Good times west mids

Attic Club

go Go Children Bristol

the Junction Middleton jn

Basics Dundee

And allnighters I can pretty certainly say based on the DJ line up

Lifeline

100 Club

Burnley

.....

Steve the East Midlands has taken a right good bashing lately , and rightly so. So to try and redress the bvalance a little bit here are a few more OVO'S

BENTINCK BACK ROOM

SELECT SOUL , BURTON

WILLINGTON

There may be a couple more venues and I'm sorry if you have been left out.

It don't look good doe's it for the size of Notts , Derby, Leis , .Surely it can't be any worse in other parts of the country.

Maybe there should be two forums on here O.V.O'S and C.R.A.P and they should be encouraged to post there playlist , Im sure that would sort the wheat from the chaff

[Maark]

Not at all - think most people agree there are too many venues and too many DJs. Perhaps a cull of the bootleg players will bring a degree of stability?

So if I see a load of miserable looking f*ckers wearing bowler hats, red carnation and ties, dragging hapless dj's from thier Northants beds and culling them to death in the street, I can assume this is the soul police?

Edited September 15, 2008 by Maark