Simsy Posted September 12, 2008 Posted September 12, 2008 Spent many a happy evening cutting a rug to GNTS at my local youthclub as a spotty 13 year old. I still like it today. Catchy tune can't deny it. I've got it. Though because of when it was recorded and it's whiteness, is suffers imo of what james trouble was calling 'baggy northern' the other day?
Guest Posted September 12, 2008 Posted September 12, 2008 Catchy tune can't deny it. I've got it. Though because of when it was recorded and it's whiteness, is suffers imo of what james trouble was calling 'baggy northern' the other day? Original UK 1974 Pye 7N.45383 blue label copies of the disc - Nosmo " Goodbye (Nothing To Say) " / " Teenage Love " - were recalled by Pye shortly after the disc had received favourable reception after plays , and relaunched as Nosmo King & The Javells ...... Original copies of the disc are now a rarity ........ Malc Burton
Our Kid Posted September 12, 2008 Posted September 12, 2008 Original UK 1974 Pye 7N.45383 blue label copies of the disc - Nosmo " Goodbye (Nothing To Say) " / " Teenage Love " - were recalled by Pye shortly after the disc had received favourable reception after plays , and relaunched as Nosmo King & The Javells ...... Original copies of the disc are now a rarity ........ Malc Burton Didn't know it was released on blue Pye.Thought the 1st issue was just "Goodbye" on the Red & Purple format. Paul
Pete S Posted September 12, 2008 Posted September 12, 2008 Didn't know it was released on blue Pye.Thought the 1st issue was just "Goodbye" on the Red & Purple format. Paul That's correct
Guest Paul Posted September 12, 2008 Posted September 12, 2008 Hello, Can anyone remember if a DJ "discovered" it or did Pye A&R man Dave McAleer just guess that it would catch on? I was just fifteen at the time but I remember it fooled everyone. It was instant. And do I also recall that Dave Godin was impressed with it at the time? Best regards, Paul Mooney
Sean Hampsey Posted September 12, 2008 Posted September 12, 2008 Original UK 1974 Pye 7N.45383 blue label copies of the disc - Nosmo " Goodbye (Nothing To Say) " / " Teenage Love " - were recalled by Pye shortly after the disc had received favourable reception after plays , and relaunched as Nosmo King & The Javells ...... Original copies of the disc are now a rarity ........ Malc Burton No Blue Labels Malc... not in the UK anyway. The Irish' issue would have been Blue, at the time, if there ever was such a release (but I don't recall ever seeing one). Sean
Mak Posted September 12, 2008 Posted September 12, 2008 I think Jack Bollington from Derby was onto it quick as I seem to remember buying the original off him...... Ian D What!!!!!!!!!!!!! you must mean an original emidisc if it was off Mr Rockabilly Borrington
Paul R Posted September 12, 2008 Posted September 12, 2008 Going back to "Goodbye" in the early days of Disco demand, didn't dave Macaleer find the track on the b side of Teenage love, realise that it had potential and sent out emidiscs or promos claiming it was an American Black group called the Javells. I'm sure that copies were sent to various DJs plus Dave Godin, who liked it, but when the "con" was discovered was a bit pissed off although still liked the track. As I said before, I didn't like it and I thought at the time it smelled fishy . I felt very smug when the con was exposed. Funnily I quite like it now. Paul
Codfromderby Posted September 12, 2008 Posted September 12, 2008 original song was by freddie and the dreamers apparently
Ric-tic Posted September 12, 2008 Posted September 12, 2008 The Javells charted in November 1974. Maxine Nightingale charted in November 1975 The original Nosmo King Pye 7" was possibly released 6-9 months earlier than November 1974. original was 26/7/74
Ric-tic Posted September 12, 2008 Posted September 12, 2008 Good point. It was a 'claimed' record as the original Nosmo King came and went on original release without a ripple. I think Dave Macaleer may have had something to do with it and maybe passed it to Levine and Russ - one of 'em effectively covered it as the Javells I think...... dave macleer said he found this by simply playing through back catalogue at pye, trying to find northern soul-alikes ian are you saying levine played this? i dont remember this at all from the mecca, say it wasnt so
Prophonics 2029 Posted September 12, 2008 Posted September 12, 2008 So have I got this right freddie and the dreamers original version Nosmo King on Pye Javells cover up on Pye.
Ian Dewhirst Posted September 12, 2008 Author Posted September 12, 2008 dave macleer said he found this by simply playing through back catalogue at pye, trying to find northern soul-alikes ian are you saying levine played this? i dont remember this at all from the mecca, say it wasnt so Yep, a biggy @ The Mecca as well I'm pretty sure. I'm sure IL will concurr. It may have been a first-play there as I'm sure Dave Macaleer and IL were tight back then plus IL did the 'Solid Soul Sensations' Pye album for Pye, so there was definitely a conduit of some type.......... Ian D
Tabs Posted September 12, 2008 Posted September 12, 2008 I'm sure it was a Mecca play first. Played it tonight for the first time in decades. Sounds good even now, despite what the detractors might say. Yep, a biggy @ The Mecca as well I'm pretty sure. I'm sure IL will concurr. It may have been a first-play there as I'm sure Dave Macaleer and IL were tight back then plus IL did the 'Solid Soul Sensations' Pye album for Pye, so there was definitely a conduit of some type.......... Ian D
Guest thenogger Posted September 13, 2008 Posted September 13, 2008 NOSMO KING, YUK what an absolutely bloody awful record. The worst I have heard, it would have been better as an INSTUMENTAL. His voice was the PITS, yet the backing track was ok. thenogger
Guest oxo1961 Posted September 13, 2008 Posted September 13, 2008 Maxine Nightingale was recorded AFTER Nosmo King - that's unless he incorporates clairvoyancy into his act. Was`nt there some sort of out of court settlement for the backing Track being pinched from GBNT, `i,m struggling to remember!!!!!!
Guest oxo1961 Posted September 13, 2008 Posted September 13, 2008 Did`nt Nosmo appear on TOTP,s with 2 backing singers that turned out to be Secreterys from PYE??????
Ian Dewhirst Posted September 13, 2008 Author Posted September 13, 2008 Did`nt Nosmo appear on TOTP,s with 2 backing singers that turned out to be Secreterys from PYE?????? Yeah! The one on the right was OK wasn't she! Ian D
Guest Posted September 13, 2008 Posted September 13, 2008 (edited) Senior moment : why the hell I put blue labels I do not know - I should - and do know - better ......... I stand - in the corner - very much corrected ....... Malc Burton Can I come out - of the corner that is - now ? Am I forgiven for my faux pas ? Malc Burton Edited September 13, 2008 by Malc Burton
Guest Paul Posted September 13, 2008 Posted September 13, 2008 Yeah! The one on the right was OK wasn't she! Ian D Hello Ian, Are you getting mixed up with ABBA? They might have been on the same show. Paul Mooney
Sean Hampsey Posted September 13, 2008 Posted September 13, 2008 Can I come out - of the corner that is - now ? Am I forgiven for my faux pas ? Malc Burton Yes Malc, You are a Senior Soul Scene Citizen. You can do no wrong. (us young uns will have really no idea what effect all those tablets and treatments must have on ya!) Sean
Guest Posted September 13, 2008 Posted September 13, 2008 Yes Malc, You are a Senior Soul Scene Citizen. You can do no wrong. (us young uns will have really no idea what effect all those tablets and treatments must have on ya!) Sean You have no idea ......... Malc Burton
Ian Dewhirst Posted September 13, 2008 Author Posted September 13, 2008 Can I come out - of the corner that is - now ? Am I forgiven for my faux pas ? Malc Burton Well obviously it's highly embarrassing to not be able to recall the label colour of a Nosmo King record Malc, but we build in a bit of leeway for our senior citizens luckily. Ian D
Ian Dewhirst Posted September 13, 2008 Author Posted September 13, 2008 Hello Ian, Are you getting mixed up with ABBA? They might have been on the same show. Paul Mooney No mate. Luckily I can tell the difference between a Swedish boiler and a secretary from Mitcham. Come to think of it, closer than you may think........ Ian D
Guest Paul Posted September 13, 2008 Posted September 13, 2008 No mate. Luckily I can tell the difference between a Swedish boiler and a secretary from Mitcham. Come to think of it, closer than you may think........ Ian D I'm glad you cleared that up because in ABBA the "one on the right" was a bloke with a beard. And he looked quite butch. Paul
Wiganer1 Posted September 13, 2008 Posted September 13, 2008 I'm glad you cleared that up because in ABBA the "one on the right" was a bloke with a beard. And he looked quite butch. Paul =============== this was issued in the US on a PYE DEMO.....same as Wayne Gibson not in vogue but still its most desirable format as collecting goes...
Guest Posted September 14, 2008 Posted September 14, 2008 (edited) Well obviously it's highly embarrassing to not be able to recall the label colour of a Nosmo King record Malc, but we build in a bit of leeway for our senior citizens luckily. Ian D My sincerest thanks ........ You young folks are the salt of the earth : bless you all......... My testicle dropping has achieved further amusement , as I have had numerous text messages from well - wishers , and a phone call , asking me " is Nosmo there ? " , when I answered ........ Malc Burton Edited September 14, 2008 by Malc Burton
Guest swoz Posted September 14, 2008 Posted September 14, 2008 No Smoking is actually Chris Rainbow or was it steve jamerson
Guest Posted September 14, 2008 Posted September 14, 2008 (edited) or was it steve jamerson One last inclusion from me on the Steve Jamieson / Nosmo King discussion ....... SJ was not the only one to use the pseudonym of NK , and if I recall correctly , he cited the career of the gentleman named below , had an " influence " on him , hence using the name ...... H. Vernon Watson (1886-1949) , better known as his character Nosmo King, was a popular English variety artist . He was touring the music halls before World War I , but he remained relatively obscure until the 1920s , when he shot to fame as Nosmo King . When are we moving on to Vince Edwards ? ........ Malc Burton Edited September 14, 2008 by Malc Burton
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted September 14, 2008 Posted September 14, 2008 =============== this was issued in the US on a PYE DEMO.....same as Wayne Gibson not in vogue but still its most desirable format as collecting goes... ...and here's one I desired to collect earlier: ...I will forever maintain that, had this been discovered in the 'normal' run of things, rather than being the 'victim' of record company duplicity, it would be regarded as one of the all-time best British Northern finds. It's a really great record...
Wiganer1 Posted September 14, 2008 Posted September 14, 2008 ...and here's one I desired to collect earlier: ...I will forever maintain that, had this been discovered in the 'normal' run of things, rather than being the 'victim' of record company duplicity, it would be regarded as one of the all-time best British Northern finds. It's a really great record... ======== FOR ONCE TONY I AGREE WITH YOU!!!
De-to Posted September 14, 2008 Posted September 14, 2008 this is the french pic cover of "goodbye",who is the man ???? ,
Ezzie Brown Posted September 14, 2008 Posted September 14, 2008 um...........................goodbye i got nothing to say
De-to Posted September 14, 2008 Posted September 14, 2008 um...........................goodbye i got nothing to say i agree, ,but it was a big tune in the day!!!
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted September 14, 2008 Posted September 14, 2008 this is the french pic cover of "goodbye",who is the man ???? , ...Micky Moonshine! ...No it's Steve 'Nosmo' Jameson really...
Ezzie Brown Posted September 14, 2008 Posted September 14, 2008 i agree, ,but it was a big tune in the day!!! i know .i had it
De-to Posted September 14, 2008 Posted September 14, 2008 ...Micky Moonshine! ...No it's Steve 'Nosmo' Jameson really...tony i found this bit of info on a website, North country group Truth covered the Beatles¢Å¾¢ "¹í…"Girl¢Å¾¢ for a Top 30 hit; singer Steve Jameson charted again in 1974 as Nosmo King with the northern soul pastiche "¹í…"Goodbye Nothing To Say¢Å¾¢, but that¢Å¾¢s another story. Petula Clark, like Helen Shapiro a former child star, got with it and recorded John and Paul¢Å¾¢s "¹í…"I Want To Hold Your Hand¢Å¾¢, while actress Anita Harris of Carry On Doctor fame) got in on the act too with "¹í…"Here There And Everywhere¢Å¾¢. heres the link just scroll down to find the above bit of info, https://www.unionsquaremusic.co.uk/titlev4....&LABEL_ID=7
Guest Posted September 14, 2008 Posted September 14, 2008 (edited) this is the french pic cover of "goodbye",who is the man ???? , That man is Steve " Sol Bernstein " Jamieson ....... Malc Burton Edited September 14, 2008 by Malc Burton
De-to Posted September 14, 2008 Posted September 14, 2008 also found out this info on the band the truth, The Truth Frank Aiello Steve Gold The Truth were a British duo from London who took their name from a Ray Charles song, "Tell The Truth". They recorded for Larry Page and their recordings were issued on Pye then Deram and finally Decca. They were not a song writing unit and their singles were cover versions of songs by Donovan, The Kinks, The Left Banke and The Beatles. They stopped recording in 1968. Steve Gold later legally changed his name to Steve Jameson and re-emerged in 1974 with a top 40 hit "Goodbye, Nothing To Say" under the name Nosmo King And The Javells. He has more recently turned to comedy and performs under the pseudonym Sol Bernstein. 'Girl' / 'Jailer Bring Me Water' PYE (1966) UK Chart position #27. Ghoulz (2006) top marks mr rounce,
Sean Hampsey Posted September 14, 2008 Posted September 14, 2008 That man is Steve " Sol Bernstein " Jamieson ....... Malc Burton Is this the same guy, on the right, Malc?
Guest Posted September 15, 2008 Posted September 15, 2008 (edited) Is this the same guy, on the right, Malc? Dangnabbit , Cappytain - it is Steve " Nosmo " Jamieson ! ......... So SJ's Sol Bernstein personna is based on Eddie Murphy's " Coming To America " character , Saul ....... Over to you , Eddie ........ Malc Burton Edited September 15, 2008 by Malc Burton
timthemod Posted September 16, 2008 Posted September 16, 2008 (edited) Steve 'Nosmo' Jameson was also previously a member of 60s beat group St. Louis Union, who had a minor hit on Decca with a cover of the Beatles song, "Girl" (which had a decent version of "Respect" on the other side. Wonder why his interview neglected to mention that? ... Tony, I think you are getting confused with the 'The Truth' who also covered Girl. Here's some info I found on the web. sorry duplicated some info from earlier! Edited September 16, 2008 by timthemod
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted September 17, 2008 Posted September 17, 2008 Tony, I think you are getting confused with the 'The Truth' who also covered Girl. Here's some info I found on the web. sorry duplicated some info from earlier! Yes, I happily stand corrected - although I have a pic of SLU from the time, and there's a bloke in there who is a dead ringer for Nosmo! At least I knew he was in a group in the 60s, surely I get a point for that! And what I said about the SLU version of "Respect" is still true, too...
Guest mel brat Posted September 18, 2008 Posted September 18, 2008 (edited) Going back to "Goodbye" in the early days of Disco demand, didn't dave Macaleer find the track on the b side of Teenage love, realise that it had potential and sent out emidiscs or promos claiming it was an American Black group called the Javells. I'm sure that copies were sent to various DJs plus Dave Godin, who liked it, but when the "con" was discovered was a bit pissed off although still liked the track... Paul This is pretty much what happened - not sure if it was Dave Godin or Frank Elson though. In effect, MacAleer sent out emidiscs to prominent DJ's saying something to the effect of "...we may be able to release this, if we can get the UK rights to it.. etc. etc." knowing all the time that it was a UK Pye recording. This con, along with the "Footsie" debacle, caused a huge controversy at the time, and soured the good relationship with the Northern scene that Pye records had been building around the 'Disco Demand' series. Godin laid into Pye big time for abusing the Northern punters' trust and so blatantly exploiting the goodwill of the scene. To me, it's a OK pop record that wouldn't sound out of place in the Eurovision Song Contest. Edited September 18, 2008 by mel brat
Sean Hampsey Posted September 18, 2008 Posted September 18, 2008 Dangnabbit , Cappytain - it is Steve " Nosmo " Jamieson ! ......... So SJ's Sol Bernstein personna is based on Eddie Murphy's " Coming To America " character , Saul ....... Over to you , Eddie ........ Malc Burton So Nosmo King... is really Eddie Murphy?
Guest Posted September 18, 2008 Posted September 18, 2008 (edited) So Nosmo King... is really Eddie Murphy? Pos'ble Musky , pos'ble ............ I am in the early stages of planning an event for late spring of 2009 , which will feature a well known name act , but in respect of all the renewed interest in Nosmo King / " Goodbye Nothing To Say " . I may forsake them and seek to relaunch the career of NK and The Javells ........ Oy Vay !! Malc Burton Edited September 18, 2008 by Malc Burton
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