Micky Moonshine - Going Rate?

[Steve G]

anybody intrested in joining the "micky moonshine"appreciation society?..

No not really, it did sound good bellowing out at the Casino, but that's about it. Now we have solved the mystery for once and for all time to get back to northern soul

[Guest moggy]

I would consider joining the

"How to make Moonshine Society"

[Guest gordon russell]

MICKEY MOONSHINE is actually.........MICKEY CRUZ.....when he was a bit younger

[Wiganer1]

No not really, it did sound good bellowing out at the Casino, but that's about it. Now we have solved the mystery for once and for all time to get back to northern soul

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DIDNT RUSS DISCOVER THIS???

LOL

[Mach]

remember someone telling me micky moonshine was john.e. pauls cousin..

[Pete S]

Just tried that number again and it re-directed me to "Planet Records" Strange

[Pete S]

According to my data:

Mickey Moonshine was issued once.

1974 - DECCA F13555

his other release

1975 - DECCA F13616 "Baby Blue" Did not have " Name It You Got It" on the flipside.

We have only ever had in on the F13555 and they all looked the same. I have been looking for the rumoured inverted matrix press for years and haven't come across it. If anyone has a scan of two different label design releases, I'd love to see them.

PS. I've just took a few minutes checking other UK Decca releases in and around, before and after F13555 they all have the master # numbers text the correct way up. Suggesting the F13555 master # ZDR55438 was never issued inverted.

I'd love to be corrected though..

John, you're right, I don't know when they phased out the inverted matrix but I've just looked at one from 1972 and it hasn't got it.

[Pete S]

What about PETER DOYLE ??

Ex Virgil Brothers & The New Seekers, he left the New Seekers at the end of 73 fed up with the industry & lack of money from it but later carried on as a singer/song writer. Definite Decca link

Why, they were on Polydor!

[Pete S]

Ok at least we know - and we also know that Pete Smith who wins all the pop quizs single handed was also wrong on this.

Does ian Levine concur?

It's Chris Rainbow

[Peter99]

I rang and the message machine came on

Beeeeeeep

"Hello this is Alvin Stardust here please leave your message after the tone"

[Prophonics 2029]

So back to square one we still have NFI I will start the door to door search again, anybody tried Wales yet.

Edited September 11, 2008 by Prophonics 2029

[Guest Bogue]

Why, they were on Polydor!

I dunno... it just sounded good .............. You seem very gened up on the New Seekers

[Guest Bogue]

Just thought of something else too, re the pink bits deeming a second press ........ I trust the Soul Police will be issued with nail files this weekend to check on the numerous plays out ? Be warned

Checked mine & it has pink bits ....... I hate you Godz !

[Guest Paul]

...Paul, thanks for the insight on the "colour" thing, very interesting.

Hello John,

I'm glad it helped.

Another point to consider is the drying process labels go through after they have been cut.

If they haven't used the right spec of paper or the oven heat is excessive or they are left in for too long the edges can curl upwards and the labels may be singed. At times they can burst into flames.

Other times, the colour properties are effected. For example, a white label can become off-white and a bright yellow label (for example) can become dark yellow. Some colours are more likely to be effected than others.

This is worth remembering because I've known people assume a record is a bootleg just because it appears to be a different shade to another. It may be the result of a different batch of labels or it may have used a label from a stack which was closer to the heat source or whatever.

This information may help to dispel a few myths at times.

Best regards,

Paul Mooney

[Guest Paul]

It's Chris Rainbow

Hello Pete,

I can see you're upset that Chris Rainbow wasn't Micky Moonshine. But what about Big Boris? What if I told you he was a member of Slade?

Would that be a good myth or a bad myth?

Best regards,

Paul Mooney

[Guest Paul]

Just thought of something else too, re the pink bits deeming a second press...

Just to clarify things a little more...

Please don't assume that a pink-back record label means something is a reissue. It may well be the other way around. That spec of paper has been used for many years.

All it can show is the likelihood that a different batch of labels was used. It doesn't say which batch came first. And for some records they may have used two printers or the printer may have used two different batches of paper on the same job.

In many cases the labels were so neatly applied to the record (without any shattering or tearing) that you can't tell if they used pink-back paper or whatever.

If a record is known to have white-back and pink-back label copies, then it may imply there were two different pressings. That's all.

Paul Mooney

[Guest Bogue]

Just to clarify things a little more...

Please don't assume that a pink-back record label means something is a reissue. It may well be the other way around. That spec of paper has been used for many years.

All it can show is the likelihood that a different batch of labels was used. It doesn't say which batch came first. And for some records they may have used two printers or the printer may have used two different batches of paper on the same job.

In many cases the labels were so neatly applied to the record (without any shattering or tearing) that you can't tell if they used pink-back paper or whatever.

If a record is known to have white-back and pink-back label copies, then it may imply there were two different pressings. That's all.

Paul Mooney

I thought Godz said that they stopped using the black backed around that time so the pink would have been a second press ?

Thanks for sharing all this by the way, great stuff

[Guest Paul]

I thought Godz said that they stopped using the black backed around that time so the pink would have been a second press ?

Thanks for sharing all this by the way, great stuff

Hello Bogue,

In that particular case, yes, but I'm concerned that people might start applying this principal to other cases as a "general rule" of some sort.

That would result in mistakes.

You know what the soul scene is like for myths.

Paul

[Guest Bogue]

Hello Bogue,

In that particular case, yes, but I'm concerned that people might start applying this principal to other cases as a "general rule" of some sort.

That would result in mistakes.

You know what the soul scene is like for myths.

Paul

Why let the truth get in the way of a good hanging eh

[Guest mel brat]

Don't know anything about Mickey Moonshine, but BLUE MAX started this record off at the Cats I believe. After the Cats closed, he gave it a spin or two at the short-lived "Whispering Wheels" venue (also in Temple Street) in mid-1975 - covered up as..??? Pep and Ian Levine were also deejaying that night and Ian went wild over it, borrowing Max's covered up copy to play in his own set!*

Wigan spins came several months later... as usual.

(I have the evidence on tape!)*

Edited September 11, 2008 by mel brat

[Sean Hampsey]

(I have the evidence on tape!)*

I believe you Mel.

But thousands wouldn't

[arnie j]

Hello John,

I'm glad it helped.

Another point to consider is the drying process labels go through after they have been cut.

If they haven't used the right spec of paper or the oven heat is excessive or they are left in for too long the edges can curl upwards and the labels may be singed. At times they can burst into flames.

Other times, the colour properties are effected. For example, a white label can become off-white and a bright yellow label (for example) can become dark yellow. Some colours are more likely to be effected than others.

This is worth remembering because I've known people assume a record is a bootleg just because it appears to be a different shade to another. It may be the result of a different batch of labels or it may have used a label from a stack which was closer to the heat source or whatever.

This information may help to dispel a few myths at times.

Best regards,

Paul Mooney

brill, i love this kind of stuff

[Guest mel brat]

I believe you Mel.

But thousands wouldn't

Then let 'em ask Max Millward!

Edited September 11, 2008 by mel brat

[Guest gordon russell]

ted massey paid 1000k for it

[Bo Diddley]

Don't know anything about Mickey Moonshine, but BLUE MAX started this record off at the Cats I believe. After the Cats closed, he gave it a spin or two at the short-lived "Whispering Wheels" venue (also in Temple Street) in mid-1975 - covered up as..??? Pep and Ian Levine were also deejaying that night and Ian went wild over it, borrowing Max's covered up copy to play in his own set!*

Wigan spins came several months later... as usual.

(I have the evidence on tape!)*

I bought Max's copy from him in the shop on 11/11/1978 !!

It is still in the white card cover he used at the Cat's. He covered it up as "Manny Charles" - "Darling I surrender". This was to create the impression that it was really by Charles Mann. It originally had a MECCA sticker on it to cover it up. I removed said sticker - wish I hadn't!!

No pink paper involved with this copy. No doubt Max can add to the story.

Edited September 11, 2008 by bo diddley

[Guest mel brat]

I bought Max's copy from him in the shop on 11/11/1978 !!

It is still in the white card cover he used at the Cat's. He covered it up as "Manny Charles" - "Darling I surrender". This was to create the impression that it was really by Charles Mann. It originally had a MECCA sticker on it to cover it up. I removed said sticker - wish I hadn't!!

No pink paper involved with this copy. No doubt Max can add to the story.

I was thinking he'd covered it up as Donny Mann(!), as I think there was a current release in 1975 by a "real" Donny Mann, but you're probably right. Maybe he changed the name - anything more credible than Mickey Moonshine!

Still, he could have covered it up as "Moonshine, Music and You" by Micky Greene

Edited September 11, 2008 by mel brat

[Peter99]

Still, he could have covered it up as "Moonshine, Music and You" by Micky Greene

Nice one Mel!

[Guest Paul]

I just had a call from PAUL CURTIS. His former publisher told him I had enquired about him and he wondered what it was about.

He is amazed at the myths and found it all very amusing.

Paul said he recorded "Name It You Got It" at Decca's number 2 studio and he remembered they had a "Who is Micky Moonshine?" poster campaign in London to promote the single.

He hasn't written a pop song for a few years but he recently wrote another musical and is now writing a book.

He's been very successful as a writer but he sounded pleased that "Name It You Got It" has received so much underground attention.

Best regards,

Paul Mooney

[Peter99]

I just had a call from PAUL CURTIS. His former publisher told him I had enquired about him and he wondered what it was about.

He is amazed at the myths and found it all very amusing.

Paul said he recorded "Name It You Got It" at Decca's number 2 studio and he remembered they had a "Who is Micky Moonshine?" poster campaign in London to promote the single.

He hasn't written a pop song for a few years but he recently wrote another musical and is now writing a book.

He's been very successful as a writer but he sounded pleased that "Name It You Got It" has received so much underground attention.

Best regards,

Paul Mooney

Wicked!

[Northern Soul Uk]

Just thought I'd add my two penneth for what it's worth, erm 2p?

I still think it's Paul Nicolas That's what i was led to believe as far back as the Casino days.

here is another excellent example of British pop which may or may not have been picked up by the Northern scene yet, not heard it out like but I was put on to it by a VERY good friend of mine and a VERY regular contributor to 'SS' As you will notice, same label and produced by the same person 'Pip Williams' from 1974.

[Prophonics 2029]

And it has the pink and blue paper, is it any good.

[Northern Soul Uk]

Yes, great female vocal dancer, not quite as full on as MM, but very good all the same. Definately worth getting hold of. So put me right, does the pink backing paper signify that it is a re-press? I did read the earlier posts but it all got a wee bit confusing. My Micky Moonshine also has the pink backing.

Edited September 16, 2008 by steveluigi

[Guest bradcam]

Okay turds. I started this post and now find I'm filled with regret for doing so I can clarify that as soon as my cheque clears I have a copy winging it's way to me. No celebration required

[Guest Gogs]

Okay turds. I started this post and now find I'm filled with regret for doing so I can clarify that as soon as my cheque clears I have a copy winging it's way to me. No celebration required

I am waiting on a copy as well great record imo but i paid through paypal and don't have to wait on a cheque to clear but i will still celebrate (i think i've got a can of lager in the fridge) .

[Peter99]

Okay turds. I started this post and now find I'm filled with regret for doing so I can clarify that as soon as my cheque clears I have a copy winging it's way to me. No celebration required

Turds! You ungrateful bar steward. Not only did you find a copy of the record you wanted you nearly found out who it was by!

Thats fookin gratitude ain't it! Fookin turds.

[Guest Bogue]

Noticed the other day in the sleeve notes for the 'The Northern Soul Scene' CD, the one with all the Decca & Deram uk releases on that they go along with Pete's theory of it being 'Chris Rainbow'. And it mentions all that gumph about the inverted matrix !

So someone didn't do their homework on that one

[Pete S]

Noticed the other day in the sleeve notes for the 'The Northern Soul Scene' CD, the one with all the Decca & Deram uk releases on that they go along with Pete's theory of it being 'Chris Rainbow'. And it mentions all that gumph about the inverted matrix !

So someone didn't do their homework on that one

Did I ghost write the sleeve notes for John Reed by any chance

[Guest Bogue]

Did I ghost write the sleeve notes for John Reed by any chance

Did you really ? ........... Bet he won't be asking again if he reads this thread

[Pete S]

Did you really ? ........... Bet he won't be asking again if he reads this thread

No, I don't know or remember, I know had something to do with them though, probably gave them hints at some of the tracks they'd never heard of...

[Pete S]

Right, I've dug out my copy of that cd and can say for definite: there are two lots of sleeve notes, one is an overview of Northern Soul, which I did not write (I would not have made the mistake of saying The Puff Adder by Mike Vickers was covered as Boogaloo Investigator for a start) but I did do the sleev notes that accompany each track except for ones like David Essex which I admit to never having heard. Some of the stuff I wrote has been rewritten slightly. But I do remember doing it, no one is credited with the sleevenotes. I told them to include the great Stevie Kimble and Truly Smith tracks at the time, which they did. And Sonny Childe's version of Giving Up On Love which was unknown.

[Guest Bogue]

Right, I've dug out my copy of that cd and can say for definite: there are two lots of sleeve notes, one is an overview of Northern Soul, which I did not write (I would not have made the mistake of saying The Puff Adder by Mike Vickers was covered as Boogaloo Investigator for a start) but I did do the sleev notes that accompany each track except for ones like David Essex which I admit to never having heard. Some of the stuff I wrote has been rewritten slightly. But I do remember doing it, no one is credited with the sleevenotes. I told them to include the great Stevie Kimble and Truly Smith tracks at the time, which they did. And Sonny Childe's version of Giving Up On Love which was unknown.

Like where they put 'Chris Rainbow' when you specificaly wrote... 'Paul Curtis'

Not a bad CD actually is it ? Some really good stuff on there. And even the stuff from David Essex, Elkie Brooks & Brotherhood Of Man, which I was dreading when I bought it, isn't as horific as you would imagine.

Would have love to hear that David Essex track by a real good Soul crooner like Lou Johnson or somebody

[Pete S]

Like where they put 'Chris Rainbow' when you specificaly wrote... 'Paul Curtis'

Not a bad CD actually is it ? Some really good stuff on there. And even the stuff from David Essex, Elkie Brooks & Brotherhood Of Man, which I was dreading when I bought it, isn't as horific as you would imagine.

Would have love to hear that David Essex track by a real good Soul crooner like Lou Johnson or somebody

No I wrote Chris Rainbow on that day around 16 years ago, because my information was correct. Until I was proven wrong last week. But nobody in the years between has ever disagreed!

Edited September 16, 2008 by Pete S

[Guest Paul]

No I wrote Chris Rainbow on that day around 16 years ago, because my information was correct. Until I was proven wrong last week. But nobody in the years between has ever disagreed!

Hello Pete,

You might (or might not) be interested to know that Val McKenna's "Love Feeling" was co-written by a woman called Joan Komlosy from Bradford who was once married to Don Powell, the former Slade drummer.

I somehow stumbled on that bit of trivia after Manus had mentioned Val McKenna last week. He'd heard she was from Newcastle.

Best regards,

Paul

[Northern Soul Uk]

Anyone listened to the 'Barry St John' tune yet?

[Guest topcatnumpty1]

Hi,Steve--just had a listen to Barry ST.jOHN-----as you say not as in your face as NIYGI---But still not bad.

N.b have you found my signed L.P.--"Rare Stamps"-Steve Mancha/J.J. Barnes(British) --that i left with you At Leeds Central one Saturday nite in 1978 LOL!!!!

Best

Tony Coleby

U.T.T.

[Northern Soul Uk]

Hi,Steve--just had a listen to Barry ST.jOHN-----as you say not as in your face as NIYGI---But still not bad.

N.b have you found my signed L.P.--"Rare Stamps"-Steve Mancha/J.J. Barnes(British) --that i left with you At Leeds Central one Saturday nite in 1978 LOL!!!!

Best

Tony Coleby

U.T.T.

Heheh!! LOL, no mate, never even saw it Tony , honest, no honest I mean it. Sounds like a good album though with those artists on it. When you say you left it with me, do you mean intentionally or accidently? That bloody swish'll have it.

Edited September 23, 2008 by steveluigi

[Pete S]

Just thought I'd add my two penneth for what it's worth, erm 2p?

I still think it's Paul Nicolas That's what i was led to believe as far back as the Casino days.

here is another excellent example of British pop which may or may not have been picked up by the Northern scene yet, not heard it out like but I was put on to it by a VERY good friend of mine and a VERY regular contributor to 'SS' As you will notice, same label and produced by the same person 'Pip Williams' from 1974.

Despite being female, Barry St John was actually Chris Rainbow

[Guest topcatnumpty1]

Heheh!! LOL, no mate, never even saw it Tony , honest, no honest I mean it. Sounds like a good album though with those artists on it. When you say you left it with me, do you mean intentionally or accidently? That bloody swish'll have it.

Steve----i had loaned the L.P. to someone(?) and they returned it about 10 p.m but my wife and i were busy dancing and talking!!!!!) and i gave it to you behind the decks and i said i,ll collect that at 2 a.m.We then went to Wigan with Pat and Lynne and i neglected to get it.Years later when i lived back in Leeds(Stourton) i asked Mally the postman to ask ----you lived in Beeston then---but you said you,d sold all your Northern(you were in your acid/garage/trance/weirdo period) LOL

bEST

Tony and Rani Coleby

[Northern Soul Uk]

topcatnumpty1 said:

Steve----i had loaned the L.P. to someone(?) and they returned it about 10 p.m but my wife and i were busy dancing and talking!!!!!) and i gave it to you behind the decks and i said i,ll collect that at 2 a.m.We then went to Wigan with Pat and Lynne and i neglected to get it.Years later when i lived back in Leeds(Stourton) i asked Mally the postman to ask ----you lived in Beeston then---but you said you,d sold all your Northern(you were in your LOL

bEST

Tony and Rani Coleby

Heheh! funny that mate (acid/garage/trance/weirdo period) LOL, No the only stuff i sold was my 7" singles to a guy called Brian who was a collector and he still has them. When I got back into the Northern, I asked him to sell them back to me and he wouldn't. So I asked him if I could just see them so that I could remember what I had to buy back again, but he wouldn't even do that. He said "it'll only make you upset". The Albums that I had I kept, and still have BTW, nothing too spectacular though, and definately not a signed copy of 'Rare stamps' I wish! Actually I went on to be a bit of a celeb in Leeds, being the first person to play House music in the city, so did ok, but the soul still runs through my blood and that's why I'm back. By the way I saw Mally at the 'Irish centre' do in Leeds a few weeks ago, still looks the same. A top night too, maybe you'll go to the next one on November the 1st, I'm topping the bill and a few other jocks on the night..

Nice one Tony.

[Sunnysoul]

I remembered this old thread when I stumbled on to this Portugese only picture cover of  .... Micky Moonshine !

 

Note that the tune is written by one (Paul) Curtis presumably ....