Most Expensive?

[solidhit]

Its one of those purist records that lacks that polished sugary appeal.. proper Northern.

Now I would have said it most certainly wasn't Northern. If someone was to ask me, "What's northern soul?", I would never play a record like that to him as an example. Even when you consider the sub-categories of the genre: mock motown, pop stompers, beat ballads, mid-tempo floaters, beach music, messy-hollow-recorded-in-a-closet-amateur-teenage-combo-adrenalin-fests, even r&b this is just so far removed from any of those types of sounds as to be completely unrecognizable to me as "northern".

I don't consider myself an "oldies" fan, and I'm very open-minded when it comes to new discoveries/sounds, but if you were to put this record next to any example of the above sub-categories of northern, I dont think this record would hold up well at all.

[Simsy]

What about a clean copy of Johnny On The Spot?

£4K touch last time we looked.

On the Frank Wilson 25k misinformation thing, that was Mark Lamarr. On one of those docu programme's last year.

[soulsalmon]

AND WHO SAID ITS AVAILABLE AT THE MOMENT????

I CAN SELL YOU ANY OF MY RECORDS FOR 26K IF THAT HELPS AND THEN THAT WOULD BE THE MOST EXPENSIVE

ALL AVAILABLE NOW ..TAKE YOUR PICK

GASHER

Send me list Richie,wife just won the lottery and i dont want her frittering it away on useless shit like houses and cars

[soulsalmon]

kenny burrell bought one for only 15k......not 25k atb tezza

Tez, it was my understanding that Kenny didnt actually pay that much for it in cash,but cash & trades ?

Salmon

[solidhit]

Greg, the Otis 45 is a perfect example of RnB edged Northern. 100% no question whatsoever over it being Northern Soul. I can't believe you can't tell.

I know a lot of US based dealers and collectors get mixed up, regarding the Northern genre, etc, but this one is really obvious. Have you not played it out load and felt it in your hips?, its a real northern dancer Greg.

I don't think I'm someone you can decsribe as "mixed up" when it comes to recognizing a northern soul sound, so let's agree to disagree on this particular record.

[Chalky]

Tez, it was my understanding that Kenny didnt actually pay that much for it in cash,but cash & trades ?

Salmon

mine too.

[Chalky]

Now I would have said it most certainly wasn't Northern. If someone was to ask me, "What's northern soul?", I would never play a record like that to him as an example. Even when you consider the sub-categories of the genre: mock motown, pop stompers, beat ballads, mid-tempo floaters, beach music, messy-hollow-recorded-in-a-closet-amateur-teenage-combo-adrenalin-fests, even r&b this is just so far removed from any of those types of sounds as to be completely unrecognizable to me as "northern".

I don't consider myself an "oldies" fan, and I'm very open-minded when it comes to new discoveries/sounds, but if you were to put this record next to any example of the above sub-categories of northern, I dont think this record would hold up well at all.

Greg, the Otis 45 is a perfect example of RnB edged Northern. 100% no question whatsoever over it being Northern Soul. I can't believe you can't tell.

I know a lot of US based dealers and collectors get mixed up, regarding the Northern genre, etc, but this one is really obvious. Have you not played it out load and felt it in your hips?, its a real northern dancer Greg.

I must be mixed up Andy, sorry but I don't consider it very good and can see why it stayed in Greg's box for so long. I can't imagine wanting to hear this played out at a northern venue

[Simsy]

The story of Do I Love You (Indeed I Do) (FULL ARTICLE LINK)

Reputedly the most valuable record in the world.

The original piece of vinyl was then sold by Les McCutcheon to a Northern Soul collecter called Jonathan Woodliffe, who sold it in 1979 to another DJ named Kev Roberts, who held on to it until 1989, when thinking that the Northern Soul was finally over, sold it to his future business partner 2 Tim Brown for a cool £5,000. Tim Brown then sold it to one Kenny Burrell for an even cooler £15,000, supposedly a world record price for an original vinyl single.

I thought KB's copy came from Martin Koppel? Does Tim Brown still have one?

[SteveM]

The story of Do I Love You (Indeed I Do) (FULL ARTICLE LINK)

Reputedly the most valuable record in the world.

The original piece of vinyl was then sold by Les McCutcheon to a Northern Soul collecter called Jonathan Woodliffe, who sold it in 1979 to another DJ named Kev Roberts, who held on to it until 1989, when thinking that the Northern Soul was finally over, sold it to his future business partner 2 Tim Brown for a cool £5,000. Tim Brown then sold it to one Kenny Burrell for an even cooler £15,000, supposedly a world record price for an original vinyl single.

I thought KB's copy came from Martin Koppel? Does Tim Brown still have one?

It did Ian, and yes.

[Chalky]

Behave Chalky. The question/issue was, Is it Northern? The answer is definitely Yes. Whether you like it or not is a different matter, you have to have a very sharp ear for new undiscovered things. It doesn't mean your your mixed up, just not as sharp as others at picking up on new things.

new or not (though it has been known about for some time), northern soul for someone is not necessarily northern soul to someone else It's definitely not northern if you are going to compare it to Jimmy Burns, Al Williams or the Mello Souls. But each to their own, said it for so long now it would be boring if we liked the same stuff.

[Dazz]

Behave Chalky. The question/issue was, Is it Northern? The answer is definitely Yes. Whether you like it or not is a different matter, you have to have a very sharp ear for new undiscovered things. It doesn't mean your your mixed up, just not as sharp as others at picking up on new things.

I can certainly vouch for your sharp ear at picking up on new things Andy

Hope you are well mate

[Guest Brett F]

this was never and isn't, as far as I know, a 4-figure record, it shouldn't be in this thread I don't think

Well seeing as John Manship has had as many rare soul records through his hands than anyone else i can think of, and he rates it a four figure record, then i think i'll side with his judgement and not yours.

Brett

Edited September 8, 2008 by Brett F

[Dave Rimmer]

Tez, it was my understanding that Kenny didnt actually pay that much for it in cash,but cash & trades ?

Salmon

I thought there was more than one record purchased for that £15K as well.

[soulsalmon]

I thought there was more than one record purchased for that £15K as well.

My understanding as well Dave

Salmon

[solidhit]

Well seeing as John Manship has had as many rare soul records through his hands than anyone else i can think of, and he rates a four figure record, then i think i'll side with his judgement and not yours.

Brett

Is this actually listed by Manship with a 4 figure price somewhere? There are plenty of records on his "rarest of the rare" page that are not 4 figure records.

[Ian Dewhirst]

The story of Do I Love You (Indeed I Do) (FULL ARTICLE LINK)

Reputedly the most valuable record in the world.

The original piece of vinyl was then sold by Les McCutcheon to a Northern Soul collecter called Jonathan Woodliffe, who sold it in 1979 to another DJ named Kev Roberts, who held on to it until 1989, when thinking that the Northern Soul was finally over, sold it to his future business partner 2 Tim Brown for a cool £5,000. Tim Brown then sold it to one Kenny Burrell for an even cooler £15,000, supposedly a world record price for an original vinyl single.

I thought KB's copy came from Martin Koppel? Does Tim Brown still have one?

KB's copy was the original one which Simon nicked from the Motown library which went to Les McCutcheon then Johnathan Woodliffe. Not sure where it went after Johnathan. I'm pretty sure Tim got Martin's copy...........

Ian D

[Guest Brett F]

Is this actually listed by Manship with a 4 figure price somewhere? There are plenty of records on his "rarest of the rare" page that are not 4 figure records.

Hi , yeah in John's "Million Dollars of Rare Soul" (book), he gives it his top value (it's a 5 rating system, this one getting 5, ie. the most expensive rating)

Edited September 8, 2008 by Brett F

[Guest Brett F]

By the way Don Gardner gets a 4

[Ted Massey]

Kell Osborne - a law against the heartbreaker highland still only2 known?

[Guest Matt Male]

Little Willie - Loneliness - Vendellas - £5k? was 1500-2000 the last couple on ebay

Someone told me that someone on this site payed 5k for it. Must just be a rumour then, or i possibly missheard

On a separate note, how much would Little John - Just Wait And See - Go-Gate be? Must be up there surely?

[Guest James Trouble]

Someone told me that someone on this site payed 5k for it. Must just be a rumour then, or i possibly missheard

On a separate note, how much would Little John - Just Wait And See - Go-Gate be? Must be up there surely?

LWJ sold for £3k. I think it's outstanding, possibly the best funk/northern/Rnb crossover sound I've ever heard and near impossible to get hold of. Mark Forest told me that he has a copy, but I don't know anyone else? But at £3k I don't think it quite fits in this top trump deck of cards, or maybe it does?

All this talk of money is pretty vile, but in the interest of this thread I've been offered £6k for my m- copy of Little John on gogate. I turned it down. So I guess it puts it up there somewhere with the other crazy, grotesquely priced master pieces of soul music.

So many records have offers refused on them, offers that will never be known about outside of small circles...

Edited September 8, 2008 by James Trouble

[Guest Matt Male]

LWJ sold for £3k. I think it's outstanding, possibly the best funk/northern/Rnb crossover sound I've ever heard and near impossible to get hold of. Mark Forest told me that he has a copy, but I don't know anyone else? But at £3k I don't think it quite fits in this top trump deck of cards, or maybe it does?

All this talk of money is pretty vile, but in the interest of this thread I've been offered £6k for my m- copy of Little John on gogate. I turned it down. So I guess it puts it up there somewhere with the other crazy, grotesquely priced master pieces of soul music.

Totally agree about Little Willie Johnson James, and agree that if i owned a copy of Little John i wouldn't let that go either.

Actually i thought you had recently bought a copy of LWJ? Just a rumour then.

[Dylan]

Mark Forest told me that he has a copy

that makes 4 I know off then. Way out of my league price wise but very good.

only 1 of these has been on the open market on ebay last or this year.

did you get one ?

[Guest James Trouble]

Totally agree about Little Willie Johnson James, and agree that if i owned a copy of Little John i wouldn't let that go either.

Actually i thought you had recently bought a copy of LWJ? Just a rumour then.

Yes, I have. I got the copy that was on ebay, off the person who won it.

Edited September 8, 2008 by James Trouble

[Garethx]

Has The Inspirations on Breakthrough been mentioned yet? A 45 that surely has to be up there in terms of long-proven rarity and constant (unsatisfied) demand.

[Prophonics 2029]

Can Lester Tipton and Margaret Little be added to this list after last weeks little splash out on the Bay.

Err suppose it would put them in the top 100 at the price they went for.

Edited September 8, 2008 by Prophonics 2029

[Simon M]

Yes, I have. I got the copy that was on ebay, off the person who won it.

Theres a few in Japan ! It a bit messy , the dance side

[Guest James Trouble]

Eddie Parker? Has that topped £6k recently?

There can't be too many crazy £5k+ soul records? That have actually sold...

[Chalky]

KB's copy was the original one which Simon nicked from the Motown library which went to Les McCutcheon then Johnathan Woodliffe. Not sure where it went after Johnathan. I'm pretty sure Tim got Martin's copy...........

Ian D

Jonathan's finished up in Tims collection, via Kev Roberts Kenny's was Martin Koppels copy purchased through Tim.

[Chalky]

Kell Osborne - a law against the heartbreaker highland still only2 known?

Great record Ted

[Ted Massey]

Great record Ted

I know mate wish i still had it

[boba]

Hi , yeah in John's "Million Dollars of Rare Soul" (book), he gives it his top value (it's a 5 rating system, this one getting 5, ie. the most expensive rating)

Gee, I guess the one that sold on ebay 6 months ago for 158GBP by a british seller that even quotes the manship million dollars book in the auction itself (which you can search on popsike and see for yourself), as well as manship's own under-4-figure recent auction sale must be wrong. And all the other info in the book that's wrong isn't wrong. It has been on ebay several other times for less too. Feel free to pay 4 figures for it though.

p.s. I love Andy's dig at Greg for being American...

[Harrogatesoul]

Yes, I have. I got the copy that was on ebay, off the person who won it.

How long has this been 'known' ? Obviously a lot of 45s mentioned are 'established' rarities - What of the new/recent rarities - difficult to guage in some respects but with the worldwide market I would have thought there's a fair few. The above track tho - F***** superb IMO.

As Chalky mentioned earlier ' Trade My Soul' E Williams.. Ranks as one of my all times that one. Cant be more than a few surely?

Rich

[Chris L]

I'll try, not sure if these are right though:

Antellects - Love Slave - Flodaviour - £6k?

Don't doubt it's value but what a tossy record

[Chris L]

There can't be too many crazy £5k+ soul records? That have actually sold...

You're right, who in their right mind would pay that for a piece of vinyl. There are

some seriously weird and wonderful people out there.....................

[solidhit]

p.s. I love Andy's dig at Greg for being American...

[Tomangoes]

You're right, who in their right mind would pay that for a piece of vinyl. There are

some seriously weird and wonderful people out there.....................

People pay more for stamps and coins, and you cant play them....................

Ed

[Simon M]

I know mate wish i still had it

Who has got em . I know Guy had one off Dave

[Tomangoes]

Bob, no dig at all, just stating a fact that many Americans, largely because they haven't had the benefit of being immersed the whole Northern scene here in England, that often they try and categorise what northern is, rather than being able to go by 'ear and feel'.

Surely Team GB?

Ed

[boba]

Bob, no dig at all, just stating a fact that many Americans, largely because they haven't had the benefit of being immersed the whole Northern scene here in England, that often they try and categorise what northern is, rather than being able to go by 'ear and feel'.

I agree with you, but Greg has been to England, gone to events, etc. He's as involved as an American can be with the scene. I would fully accept the criticism applied to me. Although I do have a better idea than some of the sleazy dealers trying to sell any random record as northern, I also am fully aware that I often have no clue as to what is actually a great northern record. I have even played records that I thought were really good to UK djs who told me they were not good northern records (they were still good records though...)

[Benji]

As Chalky mentioned earlier ' Trade My Soul' E Williams.. Ranks as one of my all times that one. Cant be more than a few surely?

Rich

at least two copies, 1 Roger Banks and 1 Joerg Brenner here in Munich.

[Sebastian]

Is this actually listed by Manship with a 4 figure price somewhere?

Manship sold a copy for £508 in one of his auctions on the 27th of June 2007. And as Boba mentioned there was a copy for £158 on eBay a couple of months ago. It might be a rare record, but unless this 45 has had a £2000 price hike during the past couple of months, it doesn't belong in this thread.

[Ted Massey]

Who has got em . I know Guy had one off Dave

I sold mine to Tim Brown in 2001 fror £5,500 Butch has the other

Guy, Steve Smith,Andy Spencer, Me then Tim i think

Edited September 9, 2008 by Tedsoul

[soulster22]

AND WHO SAID ITS AVAILABLE AT THE MOMENT????

I CAN SELL YOU ANY OF MY RECORDS FOR 26K IF THAT HELPS AND THEN THAT WOULD BE THE MOST EXPENSIVE

ALL AVAILABLE NOW ..TAKE YOUR PICK

GASHER

Oi Gasher,

i'll take your Vondells off of you if your a bit short but not for £26k.

Regards H (Soulster22)

[Dylan]

Jimmy Holloway was regarded as very rare but a few have sold on ebay this year and a couple of those were from a certain UK seller who may have more

bit annoying as I paid more for mine than what some copies are now selling for.

but that not taking away from the fact its a great record.

but its not huge $$$.

[Simsy]

KB's copy was the original one which Simon nicked from the Motown library which went to Les McCutcheon then Johnathan Woodliffe. Not sure where it went after Johnathan. I'm pretty sure Tim got Martin's copy...........

Ian D

Tim's copy is on the front of the Top 500 book with the water damaged label. Martin's copy went to KB.

[Chalky]

at least two copies, 1 Roger Banks and 1 Joerg Brenner here in Munich.

Butch has one too. Another version on same label by Larry Bright.

Anyone mentioned Timmy Carr - Workin' - Kee and Junior McCants - Try Me - King

[Corbett80]

'i MANAGED TO GET MICK H TO LET ME SMELL ,( touch and lick but dont tell him)...HIS COPY OF

the prophets .....ONE GOLD PIECE BEFORE HE PLAYED IT IN ABERDEEN

AND I BECAME A QUIVERING MESS OF LARD ON THE DANCE FLOOR

Fave shrine track by miles...

gasher'

Best record ever by miles

As Chalky mentioned surely Junior McCants one of the very rarest/impossible...booked in Tim's old guide at £10,000!!

Also:

Traditions on Artco

Combinations on Kellmac

Small Society on Cadde

Gloria Howell on Big City

Edited September 9, 2008 by mulf

[Guest Beeks]

arthur willis and the soulful dynamics the hurting is over

Definately one of my fave pricey records...love that ska beat

[Simon M]

I sold mine to Tim Brown in 2001 fror £5,500 Butch has the other

Guy, Steve Smith,Andy Spencer, Me then Tim i think

Tim hey , hes like a black hole