Why The Venom

[Guest sarahleen]

Aw come on. We're all friends here.

eerr it hasnt changed at all lol. iv got to stop drinking pints though,i know that .

[Russ Vickers]

as someone who went to wigan, various other nighters in the 80s and has just returned to the "scene" im dying to say something as i feel i have a fresh perspective on what its like now as compared to "then".

problem is IM TOO BLOODY SCARED TO SAY ANYTHING .LOL

It would be fantastic to hear your opinion, we're all just very passionate & I for one occasionally just get a tad frustrated with the blinkered approach, I think we all want similar things at the end of the day, to dance & have a good time listening to soul music, thing is some of us prefer to hear something a little different mixed in with the rest of the wonderful sounds played.

Please share your thoughts, we'll be very gently .

Russ

[Little-stevie]

one ofthe best and most incise post,s I have read on here,for too long I and many others have paid good money and travelled many miles to venues with mouthwatering anticipation only to have it ruined by dj,s who want to indulge themselves with their record collection, paying no heed to us punters ,playing god and dictating wots good for us ,hence tumbleweed blowing across the dancefloor. imho northern soul is about the music the punters love and not neccesarily what dj,s promoters ,and dealers think we want ,

Good points Barney.. I like a good mix of tunes but thats the problem, finding the right mix to keep all the punters happy..

I would like to be at the same venues as all my mates but not possible anymore , thare are all of in little splinters groups )

Sad to say that the different parties aint ever gonna come together again..IMO..

Many of us say that we would be happy with a good mix, buts its finding the right mix to keep all folk happy ..

[barney]

That's my point exactly. Nice one Dave.

the point is from where I stand the majority of the venues I attend are across the board types and most are well attended ,take yesterday for instance. had been working all day up at 5am home at 7pm completely knackered were,nt really bothered about going out .missus persuaded me to go to monaco to see friends, solid hour on the motorway slinging it down with rain over the top into indian country,got there .and on entering the champ was playin .all cares ,aches n pains were gone had a crackin night ,drank n danced a bit too much eh I,m 52.. sufferin today but will be back again .that is my opium .everybodies diffrent but that to me was a northern soul night

[Guest sarahleen]

been to a few venues sporadically over the years {west yorks}, didnt go out much as i brought my children up. recently iv been to prestwich and bury and had a fantastic time , met up with friends i hadnt seen since wigan . got a bit behind the eight ball {pints} and almost fell over a couple of times on the dancefloor, but will try behave at middleton and stoke , cant wait . maybe a few more oldies woudnt go a miss, but great to hear new stuff too.

[Guest sarahleen]

oh diplomacy eh?

wont be going to wigan thingy .

another thing id like to say and something i didnt think i would is that im sarting to feel a bit of sympathy for the djs . lets face it we are probably the hardest dancefloor in the world to please , as we stand there hands on hips waiting for the next song

[Steve G]

The question was why the venom?

I think that's quite easy to answer - for most people who were around Wigan was a big part of our life......

But we've moved on, and the scene has moved on. Today's scene is nothing like the late 70s when Wigan ruled OK.

Frankly dancing to those old Wigan sounds in a shopping centre with baggie trousers and vests with patches on has nothing to do with where many of us are now, and as others have said when talking aboput Northern soul it is a total embarrasment. The scene moved on after Wigan - Stafford, 100 Club etc. The only thing is dear old Russ didn't. So he still tries to create this aurra of Wigan Casino, and the longer it goes on, the more ridiculous it becomes to us.

I've got nothing against the bloke, but he's not part of the scene as far as I can see, and just trades on the Casino name. These folks that think the idea of dancing in a shopping centre "just like they did when they were 17", need to get out and support a few more soul nights that are reflecting life after Wigan Casino. It closed down nearly 30 years ago.

[Pete Eccles]

I will never understand why some on the scene seem to spend more time harping on about why people shouldn't be enjoying what they enjoy than they do getting on with what floats their boat, whichever side of the fence they are,

Lifes too short, just enjoy whatever it is you enjoy, and let the rest get on with it, live and let live,

Everybody has their own take on how it should be, it's pointless getting bitter and twisted coz everybody doesn't agree with your ideal world, coz they never will,

If a thousand peeps turn up at a shopping centre it just maybe because they want to, those that don't want to attend (me for one) can always get on with something else, and leave em to it,

Just a thought,

Pete Eccles

[Guest Brian J]

The question was why the venom?

I think that's quite easy to answer - for most people who were around Wigan was a big part of our life......

But we've moved on, and the scene has moved on. Today's scene is nothing like the late 70s when Wigan ruled OK.

Frankly dancing to those old Wigan sounds in a shopping centre with baggie trousers and vests with patches on has nothing to do with where many of us are now, and as others have said when talking aboput Northern soul it is a total embarrasment. The scene moved on after Wigan - Stafford, 100 Club etc. The only thing is dear old Russ didn't. So he still tries to create this aurra of Wigan Casino, and the longer it goes on, the more ridiculous it becomes to us.

I've got nothing against the bloke, but he's not part of the scene as far as I can see, and just trades on the Casino name. These folks that think the idea of dancing in a shopping centre "just like they did when they were 17", need to get out and support a few more soul nights that are reflecting life after Wigan Casino. It closed down nearly 30 years ago.

Why is it always compulsory to try and belittle other peoples lifestyles and enjoyment?

'baggie trousers and vests with patches' is one of those derogotary statements bandied about

as though it was commonplace with the majority who like oldies. And even if it was...so what!!

I didn't go to the last shopping centre gig but if I went to this next one, it wouldn't be to dance

'just like I did when I was 17', or that 'I need to get out to a few more soul nights'.

It would be because I wanted to attend and that I didn't give a sh!t that someone,

somewhere, might just be up their own arse enough to be embarrassed that I did.

I don't know how many attended the last one but by all accounts it wasn't a bad turn out.

I very much doubt that the number of tickets sold this year will reflect a hopeless cause

and be any less than last year.

Wigan was a big part of MY life. So was Motown, Stax, Atlantic and the

majority of soul records in general that I listen to.

Everyone of them from a bygone era.

The last thing I am is embarressed by anything involved with any of them.

By the way, just to make it clear. I'm not an oldies fan, never have been per se,

I like what I like and give a hang what anyone else thinks.

[Guest Brian J]

I will never understand why some on the scene seem to spend more time harping on about why people shouldn't be enjoying what they enjoy than they do getting on with what floats their boat, whichever side of the fence they are,

Lifes too short, just enjoy whatever it is you enjoy, and let the rest get on with it, live and let live,

Everybody has their own take on how it should be, it's pointless getting bitter and twisted coz everybody doesn't agree with your ideal world, coz they never will,

If a thousand peeps turn up at a shopping centre it just maybe because they want to, those that don't want to attend (me for one) can always get on with something else, and leave em to it,

Just a thought,

Pete Eccles

I concur Pete.

Sorry I've probably just rewritten your post without seeing it.

[Guest gordon russell]

I hope it don't introduce any to the scene, they'll have the wrong impression of what NS is about from the off.

Russ has it spot on, get yourself down to real venues to support some real soul people not this faded NS dream.

Simon

Trouble is simon.....this is just how the wider public see the soul scene,bit of a joke,wigans ovation and frank bloody wison.

[Pete Eccles]

I concur Pete.

Sorry I've probably just rewritten your post without seeing it.

Just noticed Brian, but probably better put by you,

Amounts to the same really, baffles me why if somebodies way is the right way why do they spend so much time preachin when they could be enjoyin their way? Be knockin doors next spreading the word,

Pete

[Guest gordon russell]

Is this the first time in NS history that the 'Nighter' scene hasn't jumped on the opportunity to re-brand itself, or certain sounds played within it at least?

Would the loss of the term 'Northern Soul' lessen the current scene's impact to the outside world

dropped this tag years ago...along with terms such as....soulies,a way of life and keep the faith.Went to a nighter the other week,well attended,full of soul fans and a packed dance floor....not one item of clothing or bag full of badges that told the world they were soul fans...why?.....NO NEED.....they know what they like and thats enough atb tezza

[Guest gordon russell]

one last thought on this .......why after wigan shut has russ W not been out and about enjoying this wonderful music.For 20 yrs or more l have never had someone say to me ...saw russ W the other night at this place or that,having a great time he was.Then bingo up he pops like a bad penny with this

[Guest Matt Male]

Amounts to the same really, baffles me why if somebodies way is the right way why do they spend so much time preachin when they could be enjoyin their way? Be knockin doors next spreading the word,

Pete

If you mean me Pete then you've missed my point by a mile.

I don't care what anyone does, i don't care about the Wigan event and i haven't said anything negative about it(reread my posts). I don't care if Oldies Only nights up and down the country are rammed every weekend and i have DJed at probably the most successful oldies soul night in the country (Nuneaton Coop) so i'd be a hypocrite to say otherwise.

My argument was, and still is, that people who to events like the Wigan supermarket are on a nostalgia trip and only into the same batch of oldies that they listen to week in week out, then they go to other soul nights, don't bother reading the flyer and then intimidate DJs and moan like f**k about the music. I'd love to enjoy what i enjoy, it's a shame that there are plenty of narrow minded idiots out there ruining it for and others.

I'm not asking for anyone to share my view, i'm asking people to read flyers, stay away from soul nights if all they are going to do is moan, and for promoters to be truthful about their music policy.

Edited September 7, 2008 by Matt Male

[Guest Brian J]

Trouble is simon.....this is just how the wider public see the soul scene,bit of a joke,wigans ovation and frank bloody wison.

Honest question; Why does it bother you so much how the wider public perceive the scene?

They're not part of the scene so f*ck em!

Wigan's Ovation and it's ilk is probably hated more by the people you're criticising than you

because they always get tarred with that sh!te. Do you really think ANY 'proper' soulie

likes Wigan's Ovation, or even more so, likes being associated with it?

[Pete Eccles]

If you mean me Pete then you've missed my point by a mile.

I don't care what anyone does, i don't care about the Wigan event and i haven't said anything negative about it(reread my posts). I don't care if Oldies Only nights up and down the country are rammed every weekend and i have DJed at probably the most successful oldies soul night in the country (Nuneaton Coop) so i'd be a hypocrite to say otherwise.

My argument was, and still is, that people who to events like the Wigan supermarket are on a nostalgia trip and only into the same batch of oldies that they listen to week in week out, then they go to other soul nights, don't bother reading the flyer and then intimidate DJs and moan like f**k about the music. I'd love to enjoy what i enjoy, it's a shame that there are plenty of narrow minded idiots out there ruining it for and others.

I'm not asking for anyone to share my view, i'm asking people to read flyers, stay away from soul nights if all they are going to do is moan, and for promoters to be truthful about their music policy.

Matt, believe me if i had meant anyone in particular i would have replied directly to their post,

I was just expressing a general observation, as much out there as on here, on peoples passion to convert the world to their way of thinking,

Hope that clears things up Matt,

As for the most successful 'oldies' night, that's another story, but not getting into that one,

Pete Eccles

[Guest Brian J]

If you mean me Pete then you've missed my point by a mile.

I don't care what anyone does, i don't care about the Wigan event and i haven't said anything negative about it(reread my posts). I don't care if Oldies Only nights up and down the country are rammed every weekend and i have DJed at probably the most successful oldies soul night in the country (Nuneaton Coop) so i'd be a hypocrite to say otherwise.

My argument was, and still is, that people who to events like the Wigan supermarket are on a nostalgia trip and only into the same batch of oldies that they listen to week in week out, then they go to other soul nights, don't bother reading the flyer and then intimidate DJs and moan like f**k about the music. I'd love to enjoy what i enjoy, it's a shame that there are plenty of narrow minded idiots out there ruining it for and others.

I'm not asking for anyone to share my view, i'm asking people to read flyers, stay away from soul nights if all they are going to do is moan, and for promoters to be truthful about their music policy.

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Matt, I'm just designing you that poster to hang near the entrance!

[Guest Brian J]

I hope it don't introduce any to the scene, they'll have the wrong impression of what NS is about from the off.

Russ has it spot on, get yourself down to real venues to support some real soul people not this faded NS dream.

Simon

Surely if it did introduce new people to the scene, their first 'wrong impression'

would soon dissipate as soon as they attended a 'real venue' as you put it?

[Guest sarahleen]

i get slightly confused by people who say things like

"live and let live "

"i concur"

"lets stop bickering "

this is a forum after all , an exchange of views. as long as it dosnt get personal, long live the difference.

looking back to the last night at wigan ,people just walked away in resignation with a shrug as i remember it . if i was passing near wigan i might call in to the cafe for a cup of tea and a cream bun ,but thats about it . shopping malls are horrid places anyroad . my daughter is looking forward to going to a venue but i wouldnt take her to this and besides shed probably want me to buy her something and drag me round some shops lol

[Guest Matt Male]

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Matt, I'm just designing you that poster to hang near the entrance!

Cheers mate

[Guest Matt Male]

i get slightly confused by people who say things like

"live and let live "

"i concur"

"lets stop bickering "

this is a forum after all , an exchange of views. as long as it dosnt get personal, long live the difference.

looking back to the last night at wigan ,people just walked away in resignation with a shrug as i remember it . if i was passing near wigan i might call in to the cafe for a cup of tea and a cream bun ,but thats about it . shopping malls are horrid places anyroad . my daughter is looking forward to going to a venue but i wouldnt take her to this and besides shed probably want me to buy her something and drag me round some shops lol

All your posts have been spot on Sarah.

I've calmed down now (only took me all day) and i'm off to iron my beer towel collection.

Edited September 7, 2008 by Matt Male

[Pete Eccles]

i get slightly confused by people who say things like

"live and let live "

"i concur"

"lets stop bickering "

this is a forum after all , an exchange of views. as long as it dosnt get personal, long live the difference.

looking back to the last night at wigan ,people just walked away in resignation with a shrug as i remember it . if i was passing near wigan i might call in to the cafe for a cup of tea and a cream bun ,but thats about it . shopping malls are horrid places anyroad . my daughter is looking forward to going to a venue but i wouldnt take her to this and besides shed probably want me to buy her something and drag me round some shops lol

So we shouldn't post unless we are disagreeing with something? i'm quite new to forum protocol but i am aware it's about differing opinions, but it being compulsory?

I have my preferences, musically, venues etc, but i just don't see the point in telling others their preferences (if different to mine) are wrong, and they should seek help to have the smile on their face on hearing Ruby Andrews removed,

But now i know the rules of the forum i will steer clear until i strongly disagree with someone,

Pete Eccles

[Guest sarahleen]

All your posts have been spot on Sarah.

I've calmed down now (only took me all day) and i'm off to iron my beer towel collection.

thanks matt , was starting to feel a bit delicate after the souled out film thrashing lol. happy ironing

[Guest sarahleen]

So we shouldn't post unless we are disagreeing with something? i'm quite new to forum protocol but i am aware it's about differing opinions, but it being compulsory?

I have my preferences, musically, venues etc, but i just don't see the point in telling others their preferences (if different to mine) are wrong, and they should seek help to have the smile on their face on hearing Ruby Andrews removed,

But now i know the rules of the forum i will steer clear until i strongly disagree with someone,

Pete Eccles

i never said its "compulsory" though i do take your point .

i was looking in the new member shouts {im new too} earlier and thinking , you poor things , little lambs bounding in here full of enthusiasm , just like i did . bit of a gateway to hell lol . after the souled out film thread believe me , i dont want to get in a mass off arguement with ANYONE in here ever again .

[Steve G]

Why is it always compulsory to try and belittle other peoples lifestyles and enjoyment?

'baggie trousers and vests with patches' is one of those derogotary statements bandied about

as though it was commonplace with the majority who like oldies. And even if it was...so what!!

I didn't go to the last shopping centre gig but if I went to this next one, it wouldn't be to dance

'just like I did when I was 17', or that 'I need to get out to a few more soul nights'.

It would be because I wanted to attend and that I didn't give a sh!t that someone,

somewhere, might just be up their own arse enough to be embarrassed that I did.

I don't know how many attended the last one but by all accounts it wasn't a bad turn out.

I very much doubt that the number of tickets sold this year will reflect a hopeless cause

and be any less than last year.

Wigan was a big part of MY life. So was Motown, Stax, Atlantic and the

majority of soul records in general that I listen to.

Everyone of them from a bygone era.

The last thing I am is embarressed by anything involved with any of them.

By the way, just to make it clear. I'm not an oldies fan, never have been per se,

I like what I like and give a hang what anyone else thinks.

think these Wigan nights have nothing to do with the northern scene anymore. they are totally irrelevant to it. I don't care what people do, wear or go, but I don't have to be warm and cuddly about it if I think they look daft. Exactly the same thing with Teddy Boys - I think they look daft too.

But soul WAS about being COOL, and trendy, going to seedy places to hear and dance to obscure records. As for oldies, I like oldies - just not the same bloody few all the time.

[jocko]

Could I just point out a few hypocrisies and contradictions here!

You want the 'oldies' to 'clear off' and start their own nostalgia scene!

Shouldn't that be the other way round? They've been there since day one, the rare scene hasn't. Why should a well established 'brand' make way for a less popular one?

I am not sure I agree with this, my understanding the oldies scene only happened at Wigan when M's opened, this was before my time, but from 79 onwards, other than the Wigan oldies night, all through the 80's and up to mid 90's there was no nostalgia scene to speak of and certainly not on the scale of current times, I seriously suspect that those into this Nostalgia scene did not stick around during that period so not quite clear on what you base the above on.

I agree about the popular branding, but I think this is Matts point completely, leave the term Northern Soul to the nostalgia scene and let them "keep the faith" as long as they want to, the progressive Northern scene, what is out there, can then get on with whatever its called and then every one lives happily ever after, theoretically.

I never understand this term "rare scene" that is bandied about now, I used to like the idea of the term rare soul to differentiate but suspect that term is now devalued as people seem to associate that with some scene playing the same 100 rarities over and over, not really any different to the nostalgia scene really, just likely records discovered more recent (e.g. 20 years ago as opposed to 30). To me the term rare soul should be about the quality of music, and the people, as it used to be.

I am sorry but I completely agree with those embarrased at the continuation of the stereotypical view of NS, why shouldn't we be, its turned into the very thing many of us hung in there to get away from. I don't know you Brian but from what I read from you in here, I would be very surprised if when you got into this you would have been happy watching it turn into the circus that Rock & Roll was then, so not sure why you think others should find it any more acceptable now.

Its been said a million times, although I think I will claim credit to saying it first, there is no one Northern scene now, hasn't been for a while. However even as someone who is a distant cousin to whatever it is now, I still get hurt watching what it has turned into and watching just how far removed from the original sense of something different it is now.

Edited September 7, 2008 by jocko

[Guest Brian J]

So we shouldn't post unless we are disagreeing with something? i'm quite new to forum protocol but i am aware it's about differing opinions, but it being compulsory?

I have my preferences, musically, venues etc, but i just don't see the point in telling others their preferences (if different to mine) are wrong, and they should seek help to have the smile on their face on hearing Ruby Andrews removed,

But now i know the rules of the forum i will steer clear until i strongly disagree with someone,

Pete Eccles

I would concur again Pete but I don't want to confuse anyone!

[Pete Eccles]

i never said its "compulsory" though i do take your point .

i was looking in the new member shouts {im new too} earlier and thinking , you poor things , little lambs bounding in here full of enthusiasm , just like i did . bit of a gateway to hell lol . after the souled out film thread believe me , i dont want to get in a mass off arguement with ANYONE in here ever again .

Sarah, i wouldn't worry too much about the new members, most of em will be coming here to 'change the world' and tell anyone that disagrees how misguided they are,

[hipshaker 05]

hmm, an outbreak of common sense.

I will never understand why some on the scene seem to spend more time harping on about why people shouldn't be enjoying what they enjoy than they do getting on with what floats their boat, whichever side of the fence they are,

Lifes too short, just enjoy whatever it is you enjoy, and let the rest get on with it, live and let live,

Everybody has their own take on how it should be, it's pointless getting bitter and twisted coz everybody doesn't agree with your ideal world, coz they never will,

If a thousand peeps turn up at a shopping centre it just maybe because they want to, those that don't want to attend (me for one) can always get on with something else, and leave em to it,

Just a thought,

Pete Eccles

[Prophonics 2029]

i never said its "compulsory" though i do take your point .

i was looking in the new member shouts {im new too} earlier and thinking , you poor things , little lambs bounding in here full of enthusiasm , just like i did . bit of a gateway to hell lol . after the souled out film thread believe me , i dont want to get in a mass off arguement with ANYONE in here ever again .

You could always start a new thread about your views and see if like minded people respond, sure it will put hairs on your chest it has on mine. .

I would like to go and see if there was anything that resembles a real Casino memory left but I doubt it, nearest I have been to that was at The Forum for the Kent 25th anniversary, the shear scale of the room, the faces of people you now and don't, the music, all those nook and crannies where you can find yourself in deep conversations. Dream on.

Edited September 7, 2008 by Prophonics 2029

[Guest Brian J]

I am not sure I agree with this, my understanding the oldies scene only happened at Wigan when M's opened, this was before my time, but from 79 onwards, other than the Wigan oldies night, all through the 80's and up to mid 90's there was no nostalgia scene to speak of and certainly not on the scale of current times, I seriously suspect that those into this Nostalgia scene did not stick around during that period so not quite clear on what you base the above on.

I agree about the popular branding, but I think this is Matts point completely, leave the term Northern Soul to the nostalgia scene and let them "keep the faith" as long as they want to, the progressive Northern scene, what is out there, can then get on with whatever its called and then every one lives happily ever after, theoretically.

I am sorry but I completely agree with those embarrased at the continuation of the stereotypical view of NS, why shouldn't we be, its turned into the very thing many of us hung in there to get away from. I don't know you Brian but from what I read from you in here, I would be very surprised if when you got into this you would have been happy watching it turn into the circus that Rock & Roll was then, so not sure why you think others should find it any more acceptable now.

Its been said a million times, although I think I will claim credit to saying it first, there is no one Northern scene now, hasn't been for a while. However even as someone who is a distant cousin to whatever it is now, I still get hurt watching what it has turned into and watching just how far removed from the original sense of something different it is now.

Sorry I can't respond to all your comments at the moment Jocko

although I do accept and agree with a lot you've said.

I'll try to reply later.

[Guest sarahleen]

I would concur again Pete but I don't want to confuse anyone!

hey you lot , i might be girl but my dad brought me up to be a 5ft 7 welterweight . im the one at the bar ordering pints with a strong yourkshire accent . lol

[Pete Eccles]

hey you lot , i might be girl but my dad brought me up to be a 5ft 7 welterweight . im the one at the bar ordering pints with a strong yourkshire accent . lol

Mines a Magners at the next Prestwich, i'll be the one on stage playing whatever the people who have paid for a night out would like to dance to

[Guest sarahleen]

Mines a Magners at the next Prestwich, i'll be the one on stage playing whatever the people who have paid for a night out would like to dance to

your on . loved prestwich by the way

[Guest gordon russell]

Honest question; Why does it bother you so much how the wider public perceive the scene?

They're not part of the scene so f*ck em!

Wigan's Ovation and it's ilk is probably hated more by the people you're criticising than you

because they always get tarred with that sh!te. Do you really think ANY 'proper' soulie

likes Wigan's Ovation, or even more so, likes being associated with it?

hello brian...have in the past been asked by lots of folk (work,down the pub ect ect )what music do you like,have given up telling folk,because as soon as l say 60's/70's rare soul or words to that effect......they all say the same pretty much. "OH you mean NORTHERN SOUL" I know what you mean wigans ovation,fank wilson ect ect ..."do you wear baggy trousers?,have you got a wigan badge,do you do the northern soul dance" and frankly it makes me cringe.These folk might not be part of the scene and as anyone who knows me will tell you generally l don't give a toss if people don't agree with me,but this scene has been part of my life for 38 years and l hate to see it looked upon as a joke by outsiders,its bad enough that parts of it are a joke anyway,without that.It's the comercial side of things that perpetuate this .........NOT THE REAL SOUL SCENE ...atb tezza

[barney]

Mines a Magners at the next Prestwich, i'll be the one on stage playing whatever the people who have paid for a night out would like to dance to

WELL SAID THAT MAN

[Prophonics 2029]

hello brian...have in the past been asked by lots of folk (work,down the pub ect ect )what music do you like,have given up telling folk,because as soon as l say 60's/70's rare soul or words to that effect......they all say the same pretty much. "OH you mean NORTHERN SOUL" I know what you mean wigans ovation,fank wilson ect ect ..."do you wear baggy trousers?,have you got a wigan badge,do you do the northern soul dance" and frankly it makes me cringe.These folk might not be part of the scene and as anyone who knows me will tell you generally l don't give a toss if people don't agree with me,but this scene has been part of my life for 38 years and l hate to see it looked upon as a joke by outsiders,its bad enough that parts of it are a joke anyway,without that.It's the comercial side of things that perpetuate this .........NOT THE REAL SOUL SCENE ...atb tezza

Do you think its time we changed the name to some thing else, to re-invent or a make over. I get the same, I say to people who ask I like soul 45's from the US blah blah blah so I do them a CD and 10 out of 10 say hey that's a great CD I have some Kent LPs from a few years ago thanks.

Edited September 7, 2008 by Prophonics 2029

[Russ Vickers]

hmm, an outbreak of common sense.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm yep, c'mon sense would be never to have got drawn into the fiasco of this kinda thread again......!. Totally agree with Jocko, Steve G & Terry tho'...........the scene I'm into is very, very far removed from this kinda event & to reiterate on the thread topic, I have so much venom because I love this sh*t with all my heart & soul..........I cant help it & the life blood of the scene is a turn over of interesting records, forgotten oldies, unknowns, semi knowns & from any era or genre of black music, so long as it has the xfactor, guess what I love oldies too & a well thought out set with a classy oldie thrown into the mix or two is absolutely fine by me.............I still like the idea of a relatively underground & special scene, championing under valued artists & music, thats what it was all about wasnt it ???????????. RW continues to use the name of WC to commercialise NS with the aim of conning as many people as possible into beleiving his version of NS & making a shed load of dosh at the same time. If you enjoy it fine, but be under no illusion that you are being manipulated to aid RW pension fund...........fact !!!!!!. And yes, Im sure he is a very nice bloke, but wake up & smell the coffee, there is so much hypocrisy in this event from all paries concerned that it would take a week to cover it...........the non existent drug problem at WC according to RW for one..................& dont forget we were the devil incarnate to the council & most locals.........& now they're having a celebration in a shopping centre all nicey, nicey, lovey, dovey fluffy NS all those nice old people dressing up & remembering the lovely old WC, IT WAS A DIRTY, DRUG FUELLED DEN OF ENIQUITY, WITH SOME REALLY NASTY PEOPLE INVOLVED IN ALL KINDA SH*T, as an aside it was musically brilliant most of the time too..............its unbeleivable...............now someone is going to come on here now & try & justify it hahahahaahahahahahah .

Russ

[Guest Matt Male]

I never understand this term "rare scene" that is bandied about now, I used to like the idea of the term rare soul to differentiate but suspect that term is now devalued as people seem to associate that with some scene playing the same 100 rarities over and over, not really any different to the nostalgia scene really, just likely records discovered more recent (e.g. 20 years ago as opposed to 30). To me the term rare soul should be about the quality of music, and the people, as it used to be.

I agree Jock, i have problems with the term 'rare' soul as well, as i said earlier. It's probably because if you play a few quality cheapies you leave yourself open to the accusation of 'that's not rare, it's only a tenner' or whatever. It's a tough one, people like labels and people like to know what to expect from a soul night's music policy (which is fair enough) and use the label as a guide.

A term i've used for a while is 'rarely played' or underplayed which covers most bases for me (although as someone stated earlier rarely played can equal 'unpopular') and is a term i watch out for on flyers.

[Ted Massey]

Perhaps we can invite RW on here and do a IL now wouldnt that be fun

[Guest sarahleen]

i agree russ there was definatley a dark side to wigan casino, some nasty peices of work . i was only young but id already been going out drinking in bradfrod leeds and halifax and the casino had a lot of friendly people but there where qiute a few who you avoided . the drugs where endemic, like a rash all over the place.

just realised i said 'agree". oh dear

[Prophonics 2029]

I see your point Russ but RW didn't hold the ladder for the guy getting into the chemists or tell the guy home many pills to take for a Friday oldies an a Saturday weekend bender he only instigated the played of Joe 90 not a prison offence but still criminal.

I don't begrudge him trying to earn a buck its not as thou its a weekley event if he makes 2 or 3 k out of it how long will that last on food bills, gas electric .

IL gripes about having to pay The Dells a total of one thousand pounds to appear on his video a thousand pounds a thousand pounds a thousand pounds a thousand pounds

I phookin spent that on a record last week how long is that gonna last 3 or 4 band members in their 60ts

A thousand pounds

Edited September 7, 2008 by Prophonics 2029

[Steve G]

I will never understand why some on the scene seem to spend more time harping on about why people shouldn't be enjoying what they enjoy than they do getting on with what floats their boat, whichever side of the fence they are,

Lifes too short, just enjoy whatever it is you enjoy, and let the rest get on with it, live and let live,

Everybody has their own take on how it should be, it's pointless getting bitter and twisted coz everybody doesn't agree with your ideal world, coz they never will,

If a thousand peeps turn up at a shopping centre it just maybe because they want to, those that don't want to attend (me for one) can always get on with something else, and leave em to it,

Just a thought,

Pete Eccles

Hey from what I remember the vast majority that did turn up last year were very scathing of it. Couldn't get drinks, queues everywhere, crappy sound system, poor tunes, Champaigne VIP area (for which people paid extra) was just some cordoned off seats and a slice opf pizza and warm pomagne etc...

I don't really care if people want to go to this, or what they choose to wear - just don't want it associated with Northern soul - for the same reasons as Terry says.

It is not what northern soul IS about.

So maybe we do need to change the name then.... ....cos this stuff is a million miles from where I am or want to be.

[Russ Vickers]

I see your point Russ but RW didn't hold the ladder for the guy getting into the chemists or tell the guy home many pills to take for a Friday oldies an a Saturday weekend bender he only instigated the played of Joe 90 not a prison offence but still criminal.

I don't begrudge him trying to earn a buck its not as thou its a weekley event if he makes 2 or 3 k out of it how long will that last on food bills, gas electric .

IL gripes about having to pay The Dells a total of one thousand pounds to appear on his video a thousand pounds a thousand pounds a thousand pounds a thousand pounds

I phookin spent that on a record last week how long is that gonna last 3 or 4 band members in their 60ts

A thousand pounds

I agree Tony, but there is a tendency to forget the dark side of WC & RW is guilty of glossing over this, as is the local authorities who all now seem to court the Casino myth, that was my real point really.....hope your well BTW.

Russ

[Pete Eccles]

i agree russ there was definatley a dark side to wigan casino, some nasty peices of work . i was only young but id already been going out drinking in bradfrod leeds and halifax and the casino had a lot of friendly people but there where qiute a few who you avoided . the drugs where endemic, like a rash all over the place.

just realised i said 'agree". oh dear

Yellow card one more and you're off

[Steve G]

I see your point Russ but RW didn't hold the ladder for the guy getting into the chemists or tell the guy home many pills to take for a Friday oldies an a Saturday weekend bender he only instigated the played of Joe 90 not a prison offence but still criminal.

I don't begrudge him trying to earn a buck its not as thou its a weekley event if he makes 2 or 3 k out of it how long will that last on food bills, gas electric .

IL gripes about having to pay The Dells a total of one thousand pounds to appear on his video a thousand pounds a thousand pounds a thousand pounds a thousand pounds

I phookin spent that on a record last week how long is that gonna last 3 or 4 band members in their 60ts

A thousand pounds

Cost Chris Burton about 34K to bring them over a few years ago. They were still massive in the late 90s aqnd could fill a hall anywehere in the USA.

[Prophonics 2029]

I agree Tony, but there is a tendency to forget the dark side of WC & RW is guilty of glossing over this, as is the local authorities who all now seem to court the Casino myth, that was my real point really.....hope your well BTW.

Russ

Great Russ thanks and your self hope you are well and fully frooked from a weekends madness.

It is a strange one I bet they will dress up the local kids in a parade through the town centre to celebrate.

[Guest gordon russell]

l said l used the term....60's/70's rare soul or words to that effect because l would be absolutely loathed to use the term northern soul,mainly to try and avoid the kind of responses...that l inevetably got and lets face it the soul we like is not main stream,today or back then....so l consider the term "rare soul" to be a fair one,but will change that when l hear DEWY BLACK or TOMMY and the DERBY'S on the JOE WHILEY radio show lol,or if they become chart toppers lol atb tezza

[Russ Vickers]

I agree Jock, i have problems with the term 'rare' soul as well, as i said earlier. It's probably because if you play a few quality cheapies you leave yourself open to the accusation of 'that's not rare, it's only a tenner' or whatever. It's a tough one, people like labels and people like to know what to expect from a soul night's music policy (which is fair enough) and use the label as a guide.

A term i've used for a while is 'rarely played' or underplayed which covers most bases for me (although as someone stated earlier rarely played can equal 'unpopular') and is a term i watch out for on flyers.

To me the term 'rare' is not always about the availability or cost of a record, but the rare quality within the grooves...........also who knows how rare a record is until their is a demand, a well spent tenner from the right tut box on what you beleive is a good ditty............ also expensive doesnt always equate to rareity either. Just my opinion.

Russ