Pete S Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 Anyone know anything about this - what country, is it a bootleg (I think maybe it is), if so when was it done? It's not Canadian. Nothing in the run off either except wlb-092313. cheers pete
Guest Roddy Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 Morning PETE IF I CAN OFFER YOU THE SAME ADVICE AS YOU DID WHEN I HAD A PROBLEM WITH MY EQUALISER ( "Just plug it in mate )
Pete S Posted September 3, 2008 Author Posted September 3, 2008 Morning PETE IF I CAN OFFER YOU THE SAME ADVICE AS YOU DID WHEN I HAD A PROBLEM WITH MY EQUALISER ( "Just plug it in mate ) Yeah I tried plugging it in Roddy but it didn't tell me where the f*cking record was from p.s., buy some records off me and I'll fix your equaliser
Guest Roddy Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 really skint mate business taking a downturn joys of consruction sorry
Pete S Posted September 5, 2008 Author Posted September 5, 2008 So does nobody know anything about this one?
Simon T Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 Anyone know anything about this - what country, is it a bootleg (I think maybe it is), if so when was it done? It's not Canadian. Nothing in the run off either except wlb-092313. cheers pete Odd that the number's 5001 and not 54100. Cock up at the pressing plant or maybe just a naff boot?
SteveM Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 So does nobody know anything about this one? Raynoma Gordy apparently bootlegged Motown records when she was running the New York office. Could it be one of those.
boba Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 Raynoma Gordy apparently bootlegged Motown records when she was running the New York office. Could it be one of those. the font on the small text (publishing, etc.) looks like it's an 80s font maybe.
SteveM Posted September 6, 2008 Posted September 6, 2008 the font on the small text (publishing, etc.) looks like it's an 80s font maybe. 80's. Thats interesting. Where would the demand have come from ?
45cellar Posted September 6, 2008 Posted September 6, 2008 (edited) Anyone know anything about this - what country, is it a bootleg (I think maybe it is), if so when was it done? It's not Canadian. Nothing in the run off either except wlb-092313. cheers pete Never seen this one before Pete. I have been looking around to try to find something, anything!. Not a known Printing Error as far as I'm aware >>> LINK (Searbear.com) <<< Looking at the label 2 colour (Black print on Yellow Label) must be a low cost press to produce. Got the Matrix correct on the Label & Deadwax but then to have 5001 instead of 54100 Very Strange. Raynoma Gordy apparently bootlegged Motown records when she was running the New York office. Could it be one of those. These copies must be out there somewhere Steve. I wonder if you have the correct answer to this mystery. ------------------------------------------------------- It could be from a another country. --Certainly unusual. I have seen a small number of scans from various countries, another reason for a 2 colour press perhaps similar to these Dutch Black/Silver or Orange/Black Motown map design. They used the GO prefix though. PopSike.com Apart from Canada using the Tamla Logo, and this Dutch Motown, how many other countries attempted to copy U.S.A. designs I wonder?. Edited September 6, 2008 by 45cellar
SteveM Posted September 6, 2008 Posted September 6, 2008 These copies must be out there somewhere Steve. I wonder if you have the answer. ???? Don't understand your post. I asked a question, didn't suggest I had an answer. Are you saying it didn't happen? As I asked Boba, if its an 80's boot, where was the demand from ?
45cellar Posted September 6, 2008 Posted September 6, 2008 ???? Don't understand your post. I asked a question, didn't suggest I had an answer. Are you saying it didn't happen? As I asked Boba, if its an 80's boot, where was the demand from ? It was this that I was referring to "Raynoma Gordy apparently bootlegged Motown records when she was running the New York office. Could it be one of those." Many have mentioned the Boots via Raynoma Gordy from the 60's. but we don't appear have any definite scans, I can't remember seeing any.
SteveM Posted September 6, 2008 Posted September 6, 2008 It was this that I was referring to "Raynoma Gordy apparently bootlegged Motown records when she was running the New York office. Could it be one of those." Many have mentioned the Boots via Raynoma Gordy from the 60's. but we don't appear have any definite scans, I can't remember seeing any. Aah right. No, I've never seen any that I know of despite having lots and lots of US Motown. I doubt I'd know what to look for to be honest.Gerald Posner (?) mentions it in his book on Gordy and states clearly that she was doing it after Barney Ales was shipped copies by a distributor. (Its late and I'll check the book tomorrow but I'm sure you get my drift. I'm sure you've read this and know much more anyway.
boba Posted September 6, 2008 Posted September 6, 2008 ???? Don't understand your post. I asked a question, didn't suggest I had an answer. Are you saying it didn't happen? As I asked Boba, if its an 80's boot, where was the demand from ? I was just speculating, I don't know if it's really a boot or not. However, while there wouldn't be a US demand for say, rare northern records in the 80s, there definitely were motown collectors, so it wouldn't surprise me if there was a boot of a motown title. It does seem like an odd title to bootleg though.
boba Posted September 6, 2008 Posted September 6, 2008 I was just speculating, I don't know if it's really a boot or not. However, while there wouldn't be a US demand for say, rare northern records in the 80s, there definitely were motown collectors, so it wouldn't surprise me if there was a boot of a motown title. It does seem like an odd title to bootleg though. I will run this by Bob Miner, who was a big US motown collector in the 80s, by the way, I will see him on Sunday and will ask him.
SteveM Posted September 6, 2008 Posted September 6, 2008 I will run this by Bob Miner, who was a big US motown collector in the 80s, by the way, I will see him on Sunday and will ask him. Cheers Steve
45cellar Posted September 6, 2008 Posted September 6, 2008 (edited) I will run this by Bob Miner, who was a big US motown collector in the 80s, by the way, I will see him on Sunday and will ask him. Thanks Mate, it would be interesting to find something out. I have been searching PopSike.com and found this one from PORTUGAL the numbering system is similar, (5009) but too many years between releases I suppose. Plus no picture of the label. --TMATS 5009 TAMLA MOTOWN Edited September 6, 2008 by 45cellar
Simon T Posted September 6, 2008 Posted September 6, 2008 I will run this by Bob Miner, who was a big US motown collector in the 80s, by the way, I will see him on Sunday and will ask him. Hi , I haven't seen Bob M for 20 years+ did he sell his collection? Did he ever replace the bulb in the bathroom?
boba Posted September 6, 2008 Posted September 6, 2008 Hi , I haven't seen Bob M for 20 years+ did he sell his collection? Did he ever replace the bulb in the bathroom? I don't think he lives the same place he lived 20 years ago, you know neighborhoods in Chicago get gentrified and the rents go up and renters without money have to move. Anyways, he does the radio show before mine, a doowop show on Sunday Night, 6-7:30PM chicago time, you can listen to him live at www.whpk.org, you could even call him. Sometimes people ask me for his email which is really funny because he still doesn't even have a home phone.
boba Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 I don't think he lives the same place he lived 20 years ago, you know neighborhoods in Chicago get gentrified and the rents go up and renters without money have to move. Anyways, he does the radio show before mine, a doowop show on Sunday Night, 6-7:30PM chicago time, you can listen to him live at www.whpk.org, you could even call him. Sometimes people ask me for his email which is really funny because he still doesn't even have a home phone. Bob Miner looked at it and said he thought it might be canadian but Pete S says it's not. He says it definitely wasn't booted in the US and assumes it's a press from another country.
45cellar Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 (edited) Bob Miner looked at it and said he thought it might be canadian but Pete S says it's not. He says it definitely wasn't booted in the US and assumes it's a press from another country. Thanks Mate. The Early Canadian stuff was on the Yellow Tamla Label but kept the U.S.A. Number whether it be Motown, Gordy etc. That 5001 Number does suggest another country as even on a Canadian copy I would expect 54100. Edited September 8, 2008 by 45cellar
boba Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 Thanks Mate. The Early Canadian stuff was on the Yellow Tamla Label but kept the U.S.A. Number whether it be Motown, Gordy etc. That 5001 Number does suggest another country as even on a Canadian copy I would expect 54100. Bob Miner did say that also. He surprisingly knew the original release number right off the top of his head, I didn't know he still remembered all the motown release #s.
Pete S Posted September 8, 2008 Author Posted September 8, 2008 Thanks to everyone for their contributions. It's not very often that we can't solve a mystery on this site so I'm sure someone will come up with a definitive answer.
Benji Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 the font on the small text (publishing, etc.) looks like it's an 80s font maybe. I agree, looks very "modern" to me too. Can't recall what the song is like but maybe a belgian boot? They did loads of pressings with original label design but used only one colour (usually black) if the original was multi-coloured. Does the yellow label match the yellow label of an original?
Pete S Posted September 8, 2008 Author Posted September 8, 2008 I agree, looks very "modern" to me too. Can't recall what the song is like but maybe a belgian boot? They did loads of pressings with original label design but used only one colour (usually black) if the original was multi-coloured. Does the yellow label match the yellow label of an original? I would love to answer that question but I can't find the f*cking record now!
Pete S Posted September 8, 2008 Author Posted September 8, 2008 I'm going to try and send up the original photo, sorry if it's very big but it may give more info
Sean Hampsey Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 Here's the proper one. That copy looks to me every inch a Modern pressing - Even uses a Microsoft font on the smaller print! No idea who did it though. What's on the flipside, Pete? Should be "Feel Alright Tonight" And what about sound quality? Any good?
Benji Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 I'm going to try and send up the original photo, sorry if it's very big but it may give more info definitely a bootleg.look at the tamla logo, so blurred it's obvious it was taken from another record. speaking of blurred, the poor print definition for both logo and title/artist is another hint.
45cellar Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 definitely a bootleg.look at the tamla logo, so blurred it's obvious it was taken from another record. speaking of blurred, the poor print definition for both logo and title/artist is another hint. Gotta say now that we have a closer look, that blurred print does make it look like a Boot. Now from a Mystery to a Whodunit, when and why.
Val (Chunky) Posted September 10, 2008 Posted September 10, 2008 My copy......slightly different to Sean's
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