Guest Rich Posted September 2, 2008 Posted September 2, 2008 I mentioned it earlier, as its one of my fave 100 Club tunes, I wasnt sure about JM, so Im pleased youve confirmed that Ady & of course who could forget the brill Hytones................also has anyone mentioned the San Franciscan TKO's...........whoa choon,........also Nancy Wilcox - Gamblers Blues.........................the 100 Club's contributions in them selves are almost endless. I also find it incredible that, some of the tunes are virtually only known to the 100 Club crowd, speak to almost anyone else & theyre in the dark over some of the best NS ever to have graced the decks.............. Russ 100 Club - that reminds me, didn't somebody play Al Apollo's 'I'm Walking' at the last 100 Club? And isn't said tune a post-Stafford record (pretty big one at that at one time - seemed to hear it out and about everywhere mid-to- late 90s?)
Chalky Posted September 2, 2008 Posted September 2, 2008 Ady: I'm pretty sure you would have played both Johnny Maestro and The Platters when guesting as Stafford itself, but no doubt that both went on to be monsters in the post-Stafford period. I'm sure someone will also say that Demanding Man was spun somewhere earlier than when it took off for Kitch in the early 90s. I've also got a sneaking suspicion that Kurt Harris was known far earlier in the scene's history than when it started to go big at the 100 Club. Demanding Man was played possibly mid to late 80's (not 100% sure of date) by Steve Smith. Think he said he paid a tenner for it. Sure he'll confirm if he reads this.
Andyf Posted September 2, 2008 Posted September 2, 2008 I mentioned it earlier, as its one of my fave 100 Club tunes, I wasnt sure about JM, so Im pleased youve confirmed that Ady & of course who could forget the brill Hytones................also has anyone mentioned the San Franciscan TKO's...........whoa choon,........also Nancy Wilcox - Gamblers Blues.........................the 100 Club's contributions in them selves are almost endless. I also find it incredible that, some of the tunes are virtually only known to the 100 Club crowd, speak to almost anyone else & theyre in the dark over some of the best NS ever to have graced the decks.............. Russ Nancy Wilcox utter brilliance. There was a Thelma Jones(?) unreleased track that Ady spun, but for the life of me I can't remember the title but it was the DBs
Garethx Posted September 2, 2008 Posted September 2, 2008 Was the Thelma Jones track called Don't Start Something?
Guest James Trouble Posted September 2, 2008 Posted September 2, 2008 Nancy Wilcox utter brilliance. There was a Thelma Jones(?) unreleased track that Ady spun, but for the life of me I can't remember the title but it was the DBs Is Gambler's Blues a classic though? It still tends to be a bit of a floor clearer in my experience. I'm not sure how popular it is, to be honest? Although it certainly should be a classic, awesome tune! I think Ady still has my teeth marks left in his arm from when he told me that he had a spare of it
Chalky Posted September 2, 2008 Posted September 2, 2008 Is Gambler's Blues a classic though? It still tends to be a bit of a floor clearer in my experience. I'm not sure how popular it is, to be honest? Think the same could be said about quite a few of the tracks mentioned on this topic. Many far from classics.
Guest James Trouble Posted September 2, 2008 Posted September 2, 2008 (edited) Think the same could be said about quite a few of the tracks mentioned on this topic. Many far from classics. Not wanting to be a anal, but think Chalky's making an important point here. I think KGF is closer to being a 'classic' than something like Gamblers Blues. A record such as Jo Jama is the perfect example, I'd suggest, of a 'modern classic'. A 'modern classic' should really be popular and well known across the country, and fills dance floors. It's doesn't have to be good, but it should be popular and well known IMO. Some great reading on this thread, thanks for starting it, Russ... Edited September 2, 2008 by James Trouble
Simon M Posted September 2, 2008 Posted September 2, 2008 (edited) Think the same could be said about quite a few of the tracks mentioned on this topic. Many far from classics. Yep classics come with time, and we are talking about fairly recent stuff . Hey an old DJ once said to me " Wont stand the test of time that one" I was playing Veda Edited September 2, 2008 by Simon M
Chalky Posted September 2, 2008 Posted September 2, 2008 Not wanting to be a anal, but think Chalky's making an important point here. I think KGF is closer to being a 'classic' than something like Gamblers Blues. A record such as Jo Jama is the perfect example, I'd suggest, of a 'modern classic'. A classic should really be popular and well known across he country, and fills dance floors. It's doesn't have to be good, but it should be popular and well known IMO Some great reading on this thread, thanks for starting it, Russ... Jo Jama I would agree with you is something of a classic now, accepted at practically every club it's played. Kings Go Forth, good yes but not gonna say what I think as this topic not about that. Yep classics come with time, and we are talking about fairly recent stuff . Yes standing the test of time is part of what it takes to become a classic, but it also has to be good. Some of those mentioned don't IMO come into that catagory. Some haven't been played since they were first covered up 15/20 years ago, others just not good enough. Hardly warrants them being called a post Stafford classic just cause they were played in that time span do they.
Simon M Posted September 2, 2008 Posted September 2, 2008 (edited) Yes standing the test of time is part of what it takes to become a classic, but it also has to be good. Some of those mentioned don't IMO come into that catagory. Some haven't been played since they were first covered up 15/20 years ago, others just not good enough. Hardly warrants them being called a post Stafford classic just cause they were played in that time span do they. Edited September 2, 2008 by Simon M
Prophonics 2029 Posted September 2, 2008 Posted September 2, 2008 (edited) Not wanting to be a anal, but think Chalky's making an important point here. I think KGF is closer to being a 'classic' than something like Gamblers Blues. A record such as Jo Jama is the perfect example, I'd suggest, of a 'modern classic'. A classic should really be popular and well known across the country, and fills dance floors. It's doesn't have to be good, but it should be popular and well known IMO Some great reading on this thread, thanks for starting it, Russ... Gamblers is still so very rare it sure hasn't had the plays it deserves. Joe is 1970 are you saying Modern as in the date or modern as a new sound Mill Evans Ain't You Glad top 100 in my book but it should have been played more before coming out on single. Elipses no as yet I think James. Edited September 2, 2008 by Prophonics 2029
Guest James Trouble Posted September 2, 2008 Posted September 2, 2008 Jo Jama I would agree with you is something of a classic now, accepted at practically every club it's played. Kings Go Forth, good yes but not gonna say what I think as this topic not about that. Yes standing the test of time is part of what it takes to become a classic, but it also has to be good. Some of those mentioned don't IMO come into that catagory. Some haven't been played since they were first covered up 15/20 years ago, others just not good enough. Hardly warrants them being called a post Stafford classic just cause they were played in that time span do they. Yes, my point is though that KGF is closer to being a 'classic' than NW-GB, as well as others on this thread being mentioned. As it is well known, popular and fills dance floors. So I agree on your point. And we've still got that appointment to speak about the KGF next summer, so we'll leave it till than haha How's this to add spice to the thread: Maybe in the same way as Chalky says that just because a reord wasn't played pre Stafford, it doesn't mean it's a 'modern day classic'. Maybe in the same way a record could have been played at Stafford or before once or a few times, but did not get noticed or accepted by the crowds, and has only become a 'classic' in recent years? Like Joseph Webster? Anyway, good thread
Simon M Posted September 2, 2008 Posted September 2, 2008 (edited) Hey James should we start a thread about Post Deep Funk classics , as that place gone right down the pan ? Edited September 2, 2008 by Simon M
Steve G Posted September 2, 2008 Posted September 2, 2008 Yes, my point is though that KGF is closer to being a 'classic' than NW-GB, as well as others on this thread being mentioned. As it is well known, popular and fills dance floors. So I agree on your point. And we've still got that appointment to speak about the KGF next summer, so we'll leave it till than haha How's this to add spice to the thread: Maybe in the same way as Chalky says that just because a reord wasn't played pre Stafford, it doesn't mean it's a 'modern day classic'. Maybe in the same way a record could have been played at Stafford or before once or a few times, but did not get noticed or accepted by the crowds, and has only become a 'classic' in recent years? Like Joseph Webster? Anyway, good thread Well there is also quite a bit of cheesy modern that wasn't really accepted at the time, but is now. I am thinking of things like Collins & Collins, Luther etc - played a bit but regarded as too slow for northern then.
Chalky Posted September 2, 2008 Posted September 2, 2008 (edited) Gamblers is still so very rare it sure hasn't had the plays it deserves. Joe is 1970 are you saying Modern as in the date or modern as a new sound Mill Evans Ain't You Glad top 100 in my book but it should have been played more before coming out on single. Elipses no as yet I think James. As good as Gamblers Blues is it has suffered because of it's rarity and the fact that unless you hear Ady or JT out you won't hear it, there's many others just like this too. Unless they are played everywhere by several DJ's the chances of breaking a record these days are minimal. Unless of course it's just real good and gets people talking as in the case of the Parliaments in recent times. Edited September 2, 2008 by chalky
Guest James Trouble Posted September 2, 2008 Posted September 2, 2008 Gamblers is still so very rare it sure hasn't had the plays it deserves. Joe is 1970 are you saying Modern as in the date or modern as a new sound Mill Evans Ain't You Glad top 100 in my book but it should have been played more before coming out on single. Elipses no as yet I think James. -There are only two copies of Gambler's. I'd be surprised if it ever becomes a 'classic', certainly not outside of London, as I can't imagine either copy changing hands. It might become popular though, if it ever sees the light of day on CD... -"modern" as in "modern day classic". -Elipsis surely is a "modern day classic" / "Post Stafford Oldie"! Surely?
Prophonics 2029 Posted September 2, 2008 Posted September 2, 2008 (edited) The Kent or 100 club Ady rarity you don't realise how good they are till you get a copy and you can take it all in, the words the mix. You can down a pint faster than it takes to play a tune and remember less. Edited September 2, 2008 by Prophonics 2029
Guest James Trouble Posted September 2, 2008 Posted September 2, 2008 (edited) What about that "monster instumental" thing that Roger Banks plays? The double sided thing with the horn solo on one side, organ on the other? How long has that been popular for? Anyone got a sound file of it? Edited September 2, 2008 by James Trouble
Prophonics 2029 Posted September 2, 2008 Posted September 2, 2008 (edited) What about that "monster instumental" thing that Roger Banks plays? The double sided thing with the horn solo on one side, organ on the other? How long has that been popular for? Sure he spun it at The Dome. Well that's the first time for me I recall Edited September 2, 2008 by Prophonics 2029
Garethx Posted September 2, 2008 Posted September 2, 2008 Interesting points raised by everybody this morning. If the aim of Russ's thread was to identify A New Top 500, devoid of ties to the 'old order' then what we've had so far is just a list of tracks that may have received their plays after Stafford closed its doors. There have been undeniably brilliant soul records discovered since 1986. Have there been the amount that could produce a rival to the KR Top 500? I think that's open to debate. A great many of the tracks that have been mentioned wouldn't get in on a qualitative evaluation of either the amount of widespread acceptance they might have received or on how good they might be as records. Perhaps it's time to start wittling down the list to what I referred to earlier as cast-iron certainties. The three I mentioned above were the Jesse James acetate, Carla Thomas Never Stop and the unissued version of The Prophets on Shrine. Bubbling under that rarified postition would be stuff like The Vanguards on Lamp, The Sensations on Way Out and The San Francisco TKOs. In terms of nationwide, floorfilling popularity over time, Joseph Webster, Ellipsis and Joe Jama have to be considered on a list of certainly top 50 in the post-Stafford era. Much as we might find it unpalatable we may also have to conclude that Dean Barlow, Lou Lawton, Joey DeLorenzo et al have just as much right to sit in a pantheon of popularity. Bear in mind as well that the whole Crossover phenomenon as a strand of the Rare Soul scene is post-Stafford, but how many of those tracks (great as many are) have broken out to be classics on the Northern All Nighter scene? Arguably things like James Phelps, Willie Tee "First Taste of Hurt" and a few more, but which have had the presence to be contemporary equivalents of Frank Wilson, Yvonne Baker, Epitome of Sound etc. I'm not making judgements here, just maybe refining the focus of the thread. I would be interested to hear what everyone has to say. Gambler's Blues, great as it is, may never have the legs to break out of being a cult record: the fate of many current-day spins?
Chalky Posted September 2, 2008 Posted September 2, 2008 Has anyone made a list of all the tracks mentioned (Russ ) so we don't have to keep going back over the pages maybe then we can whittle it down.
Prophonics 2029 Posted September 2, 2008 Posted September 2, 2008 Some good points made there garethx Yes Gareth's New Order
Eddie Hubbard Posted September 2, 2008 Posted September 2, 2008 Carla Thomas I'll never stop loving you , Ben E. King Gettin' to me, both Adys of course .Best ,Eddie
Simon M Posted September 2, 2008 Posted September 2, 2008 (edited) Some good points made there garethx Hmm his Dean Barlow comments are just too logical Edited September 2, 2008 by Simon M
Prophonics 2029 Posted September 2, 2008 Posted September 2, 2008 (edited) Gamblers has something always sounds a bit muddy or its on a stereo acetate, not a criticism could be there is more information on the disc that gets lost in the transcription from the decks. What about that record on Hull err Not Down By The Water Hole, a Dave Flynn record from The Dome, Hey Now Baby Humm, bugger I had a copy as well. Got it Leo Price. Edited September 3, 2008 by Prophonics 2029
Guest Rich Posted September 2, 2008 Posted September 2, 2008 Flash McKinley - I'll Rescue You - Bombay. Early Wilton spin. A few more Wilton things off the top of me head Betty O'Brien - She'll be gone. A big record for Saus. Gale Garnett - I'll cry alone. A big spin for Mouse before it seemed to hit big all over. A couple of left field spins for Roger B - Ol' Man River - Johnny Nash and Ben E. King's 'What a difference a day makes'.
Steve Plumb Posted September 2, 2008 Posted September 2, 2008 Anyone mentioned Flowers - For real? A late 80's Saturday afternoon weekender spin from Richard Searling that grew from there, or was it played earlier? I know RS got it from Bernie Golding out of IL's collection BUT wasn't aware of it til about '87? Be interesting to know if there's earlier spins for this or if RS actually played it at Stafford et al? Another, although not a monster 'Locations - Mr Diamond man' Sam spin from the early 90's Another 'not a monster' (but it hasn't stopped others ) - Norma Jean - I've taken over - Hep Me - mid 90's discovery! T'other side of Innersection..................God there must be loads of Crossover/70's/Modern not mentioned yet? Cheers Steve
Simon M Posted September 2, 2008 Posted September 2, 2008 Flowers was much earlier than 87 . I think Simon T and Nigel Parker mentioned it as a spin early 80's Its also mentioned in the John Anderson interview
Steve Plumb Posted September 2, 2008 Posted September 2, 2008 Flowers was much earlier than 87 . I think Simon T and Nigel Parker mentioned it as a spin early 80's Its also mentioned in the John Anderson interview Thought it might be Simon, considering it came from IL's collection in the first place! Thanks for the info! Cheers Steve
Eddie Hubbard Posted September 2, 2008 Posted September 2, 2008 Margaret Little - Love finds a way Blendels - You need love Stormy Wynters -Lifesaver Jesse James - Love is alright Best ,Eddie
Steve G Posted September 2, 2008 Posted September 2, 2008 On my shortlist would be 60s Parliaments Sensations Two Plus Two Margeret Little Chesterfields 70s Lil Major Williams Elipsis Joseph Webster
Russ Vickers Posted September 2, 2008 Author Posted September 2, 2008 I'll try & get a definitive list of all sounds we have mentioned on this thread up in the next couple of days, we can then maybe go thru it & see what we come up with, with regards to classics !!!!!.................should be interesting. Thanks to all again for keeping things interesting & positive. Russ
Guest Roddy Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 Sorry for the ignorance guys where was the "Parliments Cry no more" first played ?
Simon M Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 (edited) On my shortlist would be 60s Parliaments Sensations Two Plus Two Margeret Little Chesterfields 70s Lil Major Williams Elipsis Joseph Webster Blimey Steve you said Ice and Ellipses etc were repetative and not very good , not so long ago Edited September 3, 2008 by Simon M
Steve G Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 Blimey Steve you said Ice and Ellipses etc were repetative and not very good , not so long ago I have changed my mind about Elipsis. It's quite catchy really, though has been played to death. So I am not suggesting play it, more that it is a post Staford classic. Still don't like Ice Reality - the lead is too off key and too repeptitve for my finely tuned ears.
Corbett80 Posted September 16, 2008 Posted September 16, 2008 JP Robinson - Our Day Is Here - Blue Candle Martha Starr/Ward Burton - Sweet Temptation Clara Hardy - Its You - unissued Arthur Willis - Hurting Is Over Jimmy Gresham - Feeling I Have Deon Jackson - Some Day The Sun Will Shine Passions - If You See My Baby Any of these pre Stafford or during? ps. Gareth mentioned Keni Lewis 'Not The Marrying Kind'....truly a life changing soul record....
Tony Turner Posted October 4, 2008 Posted October 4, 2008 (edited) This most interesting of threads has gone a little quiet. Does Helen Shapiro-He Knows How To Love me count as an inclusion. It shouldn't be, but is, very good imo. TT Edited October 4, 2008 by Tony Turner
Chalky Posted January 10, 2010 Posted January 10, 2010 did anyone make a list of these post Stafford Classics (Russ)?
Tomangoes Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 We all know & love the classics from the Golden era & they are well documented on the whole, even the tunes played during the 8ts, after the tourists had left the scene for dead, when the REAL die hard's kept the scene alive & vibrant with a twist have become classics & in many cases been revived over the last 10 - 15 years & enjoyed almost like newies again by the returnees that missed them first time around, but what are the classic tunes POST Stafford etc, we are constantly told nothing could compare with the discoveries from the Golden Era, but I disagree & wondered what your classics from the scenes more recent history (comparitively speaking) are or maybe you feel there arnt any discoveries from this period that can be considered classics. Here's a few from me: Jimmy Bo Horne - I Just Cant Speak - Dade Fortsom & Scott - Sweet Lover - Pzazz Parliments-This is my rainy day-Cabel Hamilton Movement-She's Gone-Look-Out Vanguards-Good Times, Bad Times-Lamp Johnny Praye-Cant Get Too Much Love-Sidewalk Trannels-Im Blessed With a Love-Flo Jo Barons of Soul-You Need Love Lil Major Williams-Girl Don't Leave Me/Girl Your So Sweet-Paladium/Williams 111 Walter & the Admerations-Man o Man-La Cindy Carla Thomas-Never Stop Loving You True Image-I'm Not Over You-Super Smash Camaros - We're Not Too Young - D'ar Cha Soul Incorporated - My Proposal-Coconut Groove Mello Souls - We Can Make It - Mello Hyperions - Why you wanna treat me - Chattahoochie Annabel Fox-Lonely Girl-Satin Chuck Cockerham-Have I the Right-Mala Barbara Lynne-Moovin' On a Groove-Jetstream Ruby Andrews-Just Loving You-Zodiac Jesse James- love is all right-Shirley Joey Delorenzo-Wake Up To The Sunshine Girl- Mi Val All the unissued RCA from Ady Ben E King-Give It To Me Cody Black-Its Our Time To Fall In Love-Gig Eddie Billups-Ask My Heart-Peachtree Potentiall loads more...........so what are your post Stafford era tunes, you feel deserve classic status ???????????? Russ The tourists left? They obviously came back again now. Maybe they realised what they were missing. The Golden era had one advantage and that was the number of suitable tracks to pick from. If a record dates from that period and it only started getting plays at Stafford and the like, its highly likely because it was a throwback. Ive read loads of threads on here where a 'new discovery' is well known by the 'elder statesmen'. In any case Im just glad some of those listed got a second chance to get the adulation they deserve. On a positive note theres been less pure pop records plugged over the last 20 years, so thats a bonus, but a record is judged on its quality way above when it got popular. The main worry is how long can new quality tunes be introduced? And thats been asked since 1977..................... Ed
Little-stevie Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 (edited) Edited January 13, 2010 by little-stevie
Guest SteveJohnston Posted November 16, 2010 Posted November 16, 2010 (edited) some of these might of been mentioned,,sorry if they have been but here goes---- SOUNDS OF PHILADELPHIA-LOVE KEEPS ME CRYING C/UP[bUTCH] GENTLEMEN FOUR-GIVE ME LOVE-C/UP[90S BUTCH PLAY ,,EXCELLENT] SHERRYS -WORLD OF HAPPINESS[bUTCH] TRAMELS-BLESSED WITH A LOVE[PHILADELPHIANS C/UP.ROB MARRIOTT] BOB COLLINS -MY ONE AND ONLY GIRL HYPERIONS-WHY DO YOU TREAT ME[ESCORTS C/UP.R MARRIOTT] TIM ROSE-I GOT A LONLINESS ROCKY GILL -ITS NOT THE END JOHN TEE-CRAZY GERALD SIMMS-ALONG CAME SADNESS[C/UP-BUTCH-FANTASTIC] TWO PLUS TWO-LOVE WILL CONQUER ALL[sERVICEMEN C/UP-BUTCH] the DILLY DILLY THING on mala?????? MARTHA STARR-SWEET TEMPTATION FOUR GENTS-YOUNG GIRLS BEWARE LITTLE RITCHIE C/UP[CARL FORTNUM] T.C LEE AND THE BRICKLAYERS SOFTIQUES-BASHFUL ATHEN ROUGES-SHE WONT LOVE ME[C/UP-VONDELLS ] B.J.THOMAS-DONT LET ME DOWN??[DUKE BAXTER C/UP-ION] CAMAROS-NOT TOO YOUNG JIMMY RAYE-GRAB IT BABY GRAB IT STANLEY EVANS-WE GOT A GOOD THING CLYDIE KING-I GOT TO BREAKAWAY[C/UP] IDOLS-CHECK HER OUT[sOUL BROS SIX C/UP-GARY SPANCER] DELEGATES OF SOUL -I LL COME RUNNING BACK[HARMONICS C/UP-BUTCH] STEVE MANCHA-HE STOLE THE LOVE THAT WAS MINE?? JOHNNY SYLES-IM SATISFIED I've been looking out for anything by the Softques ever since this post & just had the postman delver "two kinds of boys" On the sheldon look-alike disc, what a sound bloody love it is there any other records out there i should be looking out for by this soulfull girl group? Steve J Edited November 16, 2010 by SteveJohnston
Chalky Posted November 16, 2010 Posted November 16, 2010 I've been looking out for anything by the Softques ever since this post & just had the postman delver "two kinds of boys" On the sheldon look-alike disc, what a sound bloody love it is there any other records out there i should be looking out for by this soulfull girl group? Steve J Visit Sitting In The Park, Boba did an interview with them not so long ago.
Guest DeeJay Posted November 17, 2010 Posted November 17, 2010 Ady Pountain and Keith Minshull had this at Stafford Pat Brady used nto play it at Bradford how about Sir Ceaser Show me DJ
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