Soul Police - The Charge Sheet

[Guest Beeks]

You have no history and by the looks of some of your statements no idea at times about Northern Soul.

I havn't been making comments about Northern Soul...I've been making comments on the bad attitudes of a minority of Know it alls on here

Maybe you should be better off keeping your mouth closed a bit more and learning a bit more before getting involved in stupid arguments

And why should I keep my mouth closed Chalky?.....ahhh...I see....just let them insult and belittle anyone they like? Not likely...especially 99 times out of a hundred...after following me around...the first wonderfully observed point comes from them in the first place...this thread being a prime example

With people who have been there, done it, worn the t-shirt out, even had beer spilt down it

There are so many more people on this forum Chalky...good people...who have done all of the above...Who don't feel the need to brag and belittle...to be honest...id rather learn from people like them than lower myself to associating with people who give this music a bad name

[Steve G]

bloody SOUL POLICE amount to nothing more than elitise egotistical anal-retentives

Are you Ian Levine in disguise?

Actually in all seriousness I do not believe the origins of the soul police have anything to do with playing original vinyl versus pressings at clubs. Certainly not round these parts (Beds, Herts) where NO DJ would play anything other than original vinyl - the matter doesn't even come into the equation. The origins of the soul police from what I remember where more about taste of music as in "Don't play Dean Barlow, you'll be in trouble with the soul police" or "I'd take that copy of Mickey Moonshine off the decks mate, or the soul police will have a word" etc.

References to vinyl and the soul police I think came much later, and the use of the term in that context came from those who were DJing without original vinyl as a kind of put down to those that had the vinyl.

[Guest Beeks]

Are you Ian Levine in disguise?

Actually in all seriousness I do not believe the origins of the soul police have anything to do with playing original vinyl versus pressings at clubs. Certainly not round these parts (Beds, Herts) where NO DJ would play anything other than original vinyl - the matter doesn't even come into the equation. The origins of the soul police from what I remember where more about taste of music as in "Don't play Dean Barlow, you'll be in trouble with the soul police" or "I'd take that copy of Mickey Moonshine off the decks mate, or the soul police will have a word" etc.

References to vinyl and the soul police I think came much later, and the use of the term in that context came from those who were DJing without original vinyl as a kind of put down to those that had the vinyl.

I dont relate the Soul Police to the vinyl aspect either...I appreciate the whole original vinyl stance...I relate them more to the unwelcoming superior condesending and quite frankly hilarious attitudes...people who think that soul music was only invented for them and try to push their opinions and taste onto others and who attempt to ridicule you if you do not share their blinkered vision of what this scene should be like...

Now that's Soul Police

[kathdj]

If I bought a record with my pocket money in 1966 that's as original as I'm bothered about. So arrest me!!

[Steve G]

If I bought a record with my pocket money in 1966 that's as original as I'm bothered about. So arrest me!!

NS records weren't being bootlegged in 1966, so you have no charge to answer Madam

[kathdj]

NS records weren't being bootlegged in 1966, so you have no charge to answer Madam

Ah but your honour - it could have been a record that was first released in 1964 and released again in 1966. Does that count as an offence or a minor misdemeanour?

PS NS records didn't EXIST in 1966!!

Edited August 27, 2008 by kathdj

[Steve G]

Ah but your honour - it could have been a record that was first released in 1964 and released again in 1966. Does that count as an offence or a minor misdemeanour?

Not even close, most of us were in short trousers then, now move along before you are arrested for causing a breach of the peace.

[Guest]

A.S.S.C.A.B's

[Guest soulmaguk]

I quite like the Soul Police, soul policing should be used more these days, in fact I have often stood in as a volunteer. My job is to warn repeating offender DJs that many of the pizz poor quality illegal bootleg 45s they play are hurting music lovers sensitive hearing, and will lead on to destroying their souls.

[Steve G]

Ah but your honour - it could have been a record that was first released in 1964 and released again in 1966. Does that count as an offence or a minor misdemeanour?

PS NS records didn't EXIST in 1966!!

Right that's enough. Caution for you, for the charge of editing your post after I replied to it.

Be advised that NS records DID exist in 1966, they just weren't called NS.

Now move along, or we'll have no option but to arrest you

[Steve G]

A.S.S.C.A.B's

W.T.F.I.T.A.A ?

[Guest]

W.T.F.I.T.A.A ?

W.I.O.F.Y.F.S.F.S !!

Clue for you, A.C.A.B.

[Guest ScooterNik]

ACAB, ACAB, ACAB, All Coppers are....what was that last word again? I forget.

Not heard that in a long time!

Anyway... I've a full set of the copied Wigan Casino Anniversary patches, am I OK to keep them at home if I promise not to sew them on to a bag or vest top?

Thanks in advance....

[sister dawn]

Evenin All .... (someone had to say it) DON'T FORGET YOUR LOCAL NOT SO FRIENDLY VENUE BOBBIES.

[jocko]

I dont relate the Soul Police to the vinyl aspect either...I appreciate the whole original vinyl stance...I relate them more to the unwelcoming superior condesending and quite frankly hilarious attitudes...people who think that soul music was only invented for them and try to push their opinions and taste onto others and who attempt to ridicule you if you do not share their blinkered vision of what this scene should be like...

Now that's Soul Police

And what exactly are these blinkered visions you object to if you agree with original vinyl, what are these visions that people, by which you obviously mean me, are pushing on you. You need to be precise.

I repeat deal in facts, so far you never answer that question.

I retorted on here to your thinly veiled dig at me, but again you play the wounded, cmon back up your accusations, I only have 10 minutes before playtime is over.

I repeat I hate fakes, you want to keep throwing things at me they will get thrown back.

I suggest again you check your facts,

I'm off to Refosoul where I can carry on keeping this music to myself.

[macca]

I own two pressings, one I've already mentioned, the other is james bounty 'prove yourself a lady' on compass. I can't bring myself to get rid of them due to their sentimental value. I acquired them from ken cox's record bar at the wirrina in 1975/6. Two other pressings I bought back then but no longer have sadly are ede robin 'there must be a love somewhere' & ann d'andrea 'don't stop looking', an awful record. I bought them blind with that week's dinner token money, bless. This is getting a bit too confessional.

[Guest Beeks]

And what exactly are these blinkered visions you object to if you agree with original vinyl, what are these visions that people, by which you obviously mean me, are pushing on you. You need to be precise.

I repeat deal in facts, so far you never answer that question.

I retorted on here to your thinly veiled dig at me, but again you play the wounded, cmon back up your accusations, I only have 10 minutes before playtime is over.

I repeat I hate fakes, you want to keep throwing things at me they will get thrown back.

I suggest again you check your facts,

I'm off to Refosoul where I can carry on keeping this music to myself.

Touchy touchy Jocko...you got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?

Like you do every morning?

Was referring to Soul Police in general...no need to make it personal....the world doesn't revolve around you ya know

I've better things to do than make myself seem important on a website so im off to make a brew...you want one? calm those nerves?

[Steve G]

I own two pressings, one I've already mentioned, the other is james bounty 'prove yourself a lady' on compass. I can't bring myself to get rid of them due to their sentimental value. I acquired them from ken cox's record bar at the wirrina in 1975/6. Two other pressings I bought back then but no longer have sadly are ede robin 'there must be a love somewhere' & ann d'andrea 'don't stop looking', an awful record. I bought them blind with that week's dinner token money, bless. This is getting a bit too confessional.

I have bootlegs of several things which I bought in the 70s when I first got onto the scene and have never replaced with OV. You know those w*gan big hits that you could get in Russ's "booth". Even an early pressing of Sam & Kitty which one of the nasty bigger boys sold me for £4 at the back of the record bar as an original, Back then for us kids it was all part of growing up.

[macca]

I was going to ask you if you had anything you might want to confess Steve but thought it a tad cheeky of me. :-)

[Steve G]

I was going to ask you if you had anything you might want to confess Steve but thought it a tad cheeky of me. :-)

Probably plenty mate....but not on here....how are you anyway? Still in Spain?

[jocko]

Touchy touchy Jocko...you got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?

Like you do every morning?

Was referring to Soul Police in general...no need to make it personal....the world doesn't revolve around you ya know

I've better things to do than make myself seem important on a website so im off to make a brew...you want one? calm those nerves?

Okay, good, again you don't back your stuff up but lots of smileys.

Why didn't you answer my question.

I'm off to look for smaller fish to fry, may be difficult.

Love him or hate him it was hilarious when Mr Levine did the ignoring bit, so in my usual sheepish way I will follow

"I am ignoring this user, other than the odd chuckle, to myself only though, when he trips himself up verbally or metaphorically over his baggies"

Lets agree to disagree about your status and save the good readers of this board terminal boredom.

[Dave]

Okay, good, again you don't back your stuff up but lots of smileys.

Why didn't you answer my question.

I'm off to look for smaller fish to fry, may be difficult.

Love him or hate him it was hilarious when Mr Levine did the ignoring bit, so in my usual sheepish way I will follow

"I am ignoring this user, other than the odd chuckle, to myself only though, when he trips himself up verbally or metaphorically over his baggies"

Lets agree to disagree about your status and save the good readers of this board terminal boredom.

Not in the same league as IL.

More swirling chiffon needed

[jocko]

Not in the same league as IL.

More swirling chiffon needed

I am just slipping into the High Energy swimsuit as described by Steve G, will add a dash of chiffon before heading off to that thread!

[Steve G]

I am just slipping into the High Energy swimsuit as described by Steve G, will add a dash of chiffon before heading off to that thread!

Eh?

That's James T that is going on about swimwear!

[Guest Roddy]

Right !

I dont normally get angry. but...

I have known mr Cosgrove for over 28 years and he meant this to be a funny thread (the soul police are still looking for you) !

I have known Jock for longer, he is one of the most genuine people on the scene in Scotland and has never been any less than a charming and knowledgeable friend / acquaintance.

More importantly he has always been up for a laugh !

I have disagreed with Jock numerous times over taste and direction of the soul scene over the last three decades but I still count him as one of my friends.

BEEKS GROW UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE THIS SCENE IS BIGGER THAN YOU OR I WILL EVER BE ! and as my grandad always said "if ye were important I'd listen tae ye, until then, away and throw pish at yersel !

[Guest Nik Mak]

Eh?

That's James T that is going on about swimwear!

It's funny loads of you complain about 'Some' Dj's who play carvers or boots but no one ever says who it is! I don't get that? If you feel that strongly about the issue why don't you name the offender so everyone can be warned! Or in reality it could be that it doesn't really happen that much it's just something to have a good moan about when there's nout on TV! OR no one else really gives a shit! LOL

[Mike E]

It's funny loads of you complain about 'Some' Dj's who play carvers or boots but no one ever says who it is! I don't get that? If you feel that strongly about the issue why don't you name the offender so everyone can be warned! Or in reality it could be that it doesn't really happen that much it's just something to have a good moan about when there's nout on TV! OR no one else really gives a shit! LOL

I think most of us know who they are that plays Boots. I think it devalues a venue especially as what happened to me at the weekend. I was Dj'ing earlier in the evening and someone came on at a prime spot playing Bootlegs, whilst I had most of the originals in my box that he was playing. Worst of all he was playing as though he was the top man. He fooled no one but do not think any of the promoters at that gig will be inviting him to one of their venues. Not this one anyway.

[Guest]

Are you Ian Levine in disguise?

Steve, I feel deeply wounded by this comment

start with my fingers and chop off bits of my body until i agree with the Soul Police point of view but please, please, please - I can take anything people want to say about me but not IL comments, that is getting tooooooooo personal

[kathdj]

Not even close, most of us were in short trousers then, now move along before you are arrested for causing a breach of the peace.

young . . . . or just in the venture scouts?

[stomper45]

That just smacks of exclusivety to me...Yes I agree...noone wants to hear their favourite record on a KFC advert but as far as playing a record out...whenever I DJ I want as many people as possible to hear great music...not just a small number of conneseurs...now in an ideal world everyone would have originals...and I suppose on the serious Northern scene that will ALWAYS be the case...but alot of DJs will play out various genres of music in bars/clubs in their catchment area...and I think in THIS environment it is perfectly acceptable to play reissues...saying that my reissues are now as we speak gathering cobwebs in the corner

Exclusivity damn right it is, an underground scene that has refused attempts to go mainstream and doesnt care what outsiders think. Why do you and others cite original has to be expensive. If you "wannabe" a dj, get of your arse and find some original cheap tunes that have your stamp on them.

Listening to some plonker play a load of thrashed out re releases or overplayed oldies that if i havnt got probably have on cd (horror) or on boot (naively as trainee soulie in some dodgy car park) at home isnt what got me into and kept me on this scene. Soul Police rules dont apply to non northern bars clubs other scenes can do what they want.

Ayup Andy yep we wont agree, your view of the future is plausible. Wheres all the fun in discovering new tracks its all been done for you, who would decide who the djs are as all have the same gigantic collections. Think by then it would revert to a live scene as no buzz in same ole same ole.

Edited August 28, 2008 by stomper45

[Guest Beeks]

If you "wannabe" a dj

That makes me chuckle sorry...I've Djed since I was 16 years old...not many on here can claim that...ive DJed not just to a working mans club in Bolton either...I've warmed up for some of the biggest DJs in the world including Kenny Dope Gonzales, Roger Sanchez and David Morales to name a few I also promoted and played in my own soul/reggae nights for many years...So I think im way past wannabe

To be honest if you would have taken the time to read my post you will see I agree with you...over the past few months ive been collecting a core of original records which dont break the bank that represent me and my music taste and im happy with the way im progressing my knowledge...when I decide to play my first purely Northern set i'll let you know...I think you will be pleasantly surprised

[Dave Rimmer]

That makes me chuckle sorry...I've Djed since I was 16 years old...not many on here can claim that...ive DJed not just to a working mans club in Bolton either...I've warmed up for some of the biggest DJs in the world including Kenny Dope Gonzales, Roger Sanchez and David Morales to name a few I also promoted and played in my own soul/reggae nights for many years...So I think im way past wannabe

To be honest if you would have taken the time to read my post you will see I agree with you...over the past few months ive been collecting a core of original records which dont break the bank that represent me and my music taste and im happy with the way im progressing my knowledge...when I decide to play my first purely Northern set i'll let you know...I think you will be pleasantly surprised

You might have DJ'ed in other music genres, but that counts for absolutely nothing when it comes to DJing on the Northern scene, and as your post clearly shows, you haven't DJed at all on the Northern scene, so you are still a wannabe DJ as far as Northern goes.

Edited August 28, 2008 by Dave Rimmer

[Guest Gavin Page]

Right !

I have known Jock for longer, he is one of the most genuine people on the scene in Scotland and has never been any less than a charming and knowledgeable friend / acquaintance.

More importantly he has always been up for a laugh !

I have disagreed with Jock numerous times over taste and direction of the soul scene over the last three decades but I still count him as one of my friends.

[jocko]

That makes me chuckle sorry...I've Djed since I was 16 years old...not many on here can claim that...ive DJed not just to a working mans club in Bolton either...I've warmed up for some of the biggest DJs in the world including Kenny Dope Gonzales, Roger Sanchez and David Morales to name a few I also promoted and played in my own soul/reggae nights for many years...So I think im way past wannabe

So you will know Reg at NRK then and Nicki Trax I assume, I spent 8 years working in this area, give me your real name and I will pass your regards on to them as assume you would deal with them quite a lot,

What clubs did you work with these guys at, as I know lots of the fixers from that time, maybe we were in the same clubs around that era.

Edited August 28, 2008 by jocko

[kathdj]

So you will know Reg at NRK then and Nicki Trax I assume, I spent 8 years working in this area, give me your real name and I will pass your regards on to them as assume you would deal with them quite a lot,

What clubs did you work with these guys at, as I know lots of the fixers from that time, maybe we were in the same clubs around that era.

So do we want younger people coming through to carry this music on or not?? Even though I have been llistening to this music since before some of you were born I must count as a wannabe DJ as my collection (started in 1964) was never bought to DJ with so I am buying things I like that mean something to me and replacing old scratched stuff.

Most of my DJ experience was with house music and I have even been in the hallowed DJ box at BODY & Soul (well it will mean something to Beeks anyway). Being a DJ is about having decent tunes, reading the room and the mood and responding to that. If someone wants to develop in a new genre surely that's good thing? Isn't it?????

[Guest gordon russell]

dj's who play boots,these fellas do just for their ego,no other reason.It would be bad enough if you had been asked to dj at a venue some miles away (because you have some nice/expensive tunes) when you get there the fella before plays 3or 4 of your tunes,but if he had played those tunes on bootlegs,you'd have every right to walk out.People don't travel miles to see a certain dj,they go because that dj has certain tunes you know your gonna hear and certain dj's are linked with quality tunes and sets.If dj's at a venue are gonna play bootlegs and the promoter has no problem with this WHY DO THEY NEVER ADVERTISE THE FACT. I know people who do this foul practise......thats why l never attend their rubbish venues..atb tezza

[Russ Vickers]

I swear to God! honest govener!

have a look on said site. the thread was something about acatates and a well know DJ actually contradites himself throughout saying that only orig vinyl should be allowed to be played out. five minutes later he is making the hypocritical statements that it was 'agreed' they could play carvers/boots so long as they had orig in box (this helped preserve the orig!!!! )

i was signed in as wiganjoker (and as a few guests) just to wind the situation up. he was going off his head each time his hypocrosy was pointed out.

all bloody hypocritical and elitism in my opinion as boots/carvers have been around since the scene began.

IMHO the soul police are born from those afraid that others will do better spots than them and their egos will be dented

I played at one gig where i played all orig vinyl (and one re-issue) and tried to give the crowd something different from the same old top 500. have a guess which record had the floor PACKED

I have also seen another thread on here where a well known venue that you would think the soul police would be out in full force (including helicopters) and an extremely well known DJ is photographed playing CD's

bloody SOUL POLICE amount to nothing more than elitise egotistical anal-retentives

there now, thats made me a few friends on here

Mike

Would this record not have packed the floor if it had been on its original format............or are we saying, that said tune packed the floor because it was a re-issue/boot what ever ..............its not the record, its the format.

Russ

[Reg]

Oh no has this turned into another OV/boots/youngsters on the scene thread And it started off so promising as well

If only there was a sound button you could press when those subjects came up...instead of report to moderator maybe you could have the family fortunes aggh aggh sound or the siren from QI that they use when Alan Davies gets the question wrong.....

Roger and out

PC Reg Hollis

Edited August 28, 2008 by Reg

[Guest Beeks]

So you will know Reg at NRK then and Nicki Trax I assume, I spent 8 years working in this area, give me your real name and I will pass your regards on to them as assume you would deal with them quite a lot,

What clubs did you work with these guys at, as I know lots of the fixers from that time, maybe we were in the same clubs around that era.

I know neither of the above Jocko neither Am I as bothered as you might think about knowing them...I was a rostered DJ and played where I was put...as far as David and Roger were concerned I warmed up for them in SOAK in the corn exchange in Leeds as a favour as I was a friend of a friend of the promoter Tony Hannon

Kenny Dope was more recent in Sankeys here in Manchester...I worked for Fat City Records for a few years and Djed the circuit regularly.

Not that I need to explain myself to you Jocko...just have fun watching you try to pick holes in me...deride me about Northern Soul if it makes you feel better...but in the world of deep house I am King

Edited August 28, 2008 by Beeks

[Pete S]

I am just slipping into the High Energy swimsuit as described by Steve G, will add a dash of chiffon before heading off to that thread!

Do you mind, I'm eating my breakfast

[macca]

That makes me chuckle sorry...I've Djed since I was 16 years old...not many on here can claim that...ive DJed not just to a working mans club in Bolton either...I've warmed up for some of the biggest DJs in the world including Kenny Dope Gonzales, Roger Sanchez and David Morales to name a few I also promoted and played in my own soul/reggae nights for many years...So I think im way past wannabe

To be honest if you would have taken the time to read my post you will see I agree with you...over the past few months ive been collecting a core of original records which dont break the bank that represent me and my music taste and im happy with the way im progressing my knowledge...when I decide to play my first purely Northern set i'll let you know...I think you will be pleasantly surprised

That's the second time you've a mentioned Bolton working men's club.

Why is Bolton being singled out? Do you feel it's somehow representative of the

grassroots NS scene?

You know, the tired old clich of clothcaps and pigeons flying over terraced roofs that the media likes to project....

My grandfather was from Bolton, a Stanley, a veteran of the Somme & Suvla Bay.

His grandfather came over from Irish midlands in the wake of the Great Famine.

Nowt wrong with Bolton.

Did you know that Newton Aycliffe was also synonymous with Soul Beeks?

[Pete S]

That's the second time you've a mentioned Bolton working men's club.

Why is Bolton being singled out? Do you feel it's somehow representative of the

grassroots NS scene?

You know, the tired old clich of clothcaps and pigeons flying over terraced roofs that the media likes to project....

My grandfather was from Bolton, a Stanley, a veteran of the Somme & Suvla Bay.

His grandfather came over from Irish midlands in the wake of the Great Famine.

Nowt wrong with Bolton.

Did you know that Newton Aycliffe was also synonymous with Soul Beeks?

I hate Bolton and especially it's sh*t football team

[Guest Beeks]

That's the second time you've a mentioned Bolton working men's club.

Why is Bolton being singled out? Do you feel it's somehow representative of the

grassroots NS scene?

You know, the tired old clich of clothcaps and pigeons flying over terraced roofs that the media likes to project....

My grandfather was from Bolton, a Stanley, a veteran of the Somme & Suvla Bay.

His grandfather came over from Irish midlands in the wake of the Great Famine.

Nowt wrong with Bolton.

Did you know that Newton Aycliffe was also synonymous with Soul Beeks?

Sorry Macca...didn't mean to offend, ive got a few friends in Bolton and we all have banter...after all....again no offence...I can afford to take the piss...they are Wanderers fans!

Edited August 28, 2008 by Beeks

[Russ Vickers]

I think I am a fully paid up, card carrying member of the 'Soul Police' ............because I beleive in trying to do the 'right thing'. Some people use the phrase to ridicule those that speak out about certain things on the NS scene that they disagree with...........as with everything there are extremes, but if trying to do your best to promote & enjoy the music we love in the traditional manner, these traditions having been passed down through the years & is generally excepted as being the norm & the correct etiquette is being a Soul Copper then........ allo, allo, allo.............. instead of seeing it as a slur I wear my constabulary badge with honour !!!!!!!!!!!!.

Russ

[Guest Beeks]

I think I am a fully paid up, card carrying member of the 'Soul Police' ............because I beleive in trying to do the 'right thing'. Some people use the phrase to ridicule those that speak out about certain things on the NS scene that they disagree with...........as with everything there are extremes, but if trying to do your best to promote & enjoy the music we love in the traditional manner, these traditions having been passed down through the years & is generally excepted as being the norm & the correct etiquette is being a Soul Copper then........ allo, allo, allo.............. instead of seeing it as a slur I wear my constabulary badge with honour !!!!!!!!!!!!.

Russ

Haha now that I dont mind...more like the local Bobby of Soul than the Soul Gestapo

[Guest SteveC]

Not that I need to explain myself to you Jocko...just have fun watching you try to pick holes in me...deride me about Northern Soul if it makes you feel better...but in the world of deep house I am King

He's actually making you look quite silly but there again I suppose you'd think you'd have a good chance of winning "Pop Idol" too

[jocko]

So do we want younger people coming through to carry this music on or not?? Even though I have been llistening to this music since before some of you were born I must count as a wannabe DJ as my collection (started in 1964) was never bought to DJ with so I am buying things I like that mean something to me and replacing old scratched stuff.

Most of my DJ experience was with house music and I have even been in the hallowed DJ box at BODY & Soul (well it will mean something to Beeks anyway). Being a DJ is about having decent tunes, reading the room and the mood and responding to that. If someone wants to develop in a new genre surely that's good thing? Isn't it?????

wtf are you on about, repeat it in English.

If you read my post you might have twigged, I too have been to Body and Soul, as I was at the Shelter and most recently at Francis K monday night Space gig, I used to be pretty good friends with Dave Camacho and Victor Simonelli if we want to name drop, if you dont recognise these names I suspect you are on about a differing house scene, although exactly what it has to do with any of this I really don't know.

Did you actually read what I said or as usual you look for the same argumentative point. Exactly what young person are you talking about, aint no young people on here, and exactly what new genre are you on about

[Guest Beeks]

He's actually making you look quite silly but there again I suppose you'd think you'd have a good chance of winning "Pop Idol" too

Ahhh...making me look silly is he?

I think my replies as ever have been reasonably polite and articulate in the face of quite obvious provocation...and to be honest Jocko making me look silly is a bit of a contradiction in itself...but thanks for looking out for my welfare

[Guest Mrs Simsy]

never mind the Soul Police,what about the Thought Police.

Next time you're at home ,just about to play that pressing your mates know nothing about...............and there's a knock at the door...................

6Ts Mafia - Soul Police.... Pah

What we need is a feckin Talc Police

All got a bit personal hasn't it officers? Thought this thread was ment to be a bit of a laugh?

[Russ Vickers]

To be honest Im sitting here wondering why Im getting involved in all of this again.............but as I see it, certain issues on the NS scene are a matter of courtesy & tradition, yes, we should all question & push the boundaries, but as one of the only people to come out of the 'Police Box' on this thread, I dont see some of our traditions 'as the law' but just a guide line as how to conduct your self as a Promoter/DJ/Collector or punter, on the whole these have occured naturally almost, as a way of 'self policing'.........other wise we would have no ethical frame work or code as to what is excepted behaviour etc.....................f**k me, what am I on about ..........almost make it sound like a 'secret society' .........eeeeerrrrrrmmmmmmmm maybe we were once upon a time.

Russ