Guest Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 Ady is probably too tactful to point this out, but he was talking about our release on VHS tape some time years before the DVD release by Wienerworld. Each VHS package cost us a fortune - much more, ironically, than it would be now for the same number of DVDs which give better reproduction. We were all exhausted at the time from getting SWONS out but we could and should have supplied copies of their particular video for artists who asked. We did supply some, but others slipped through the net and that was wrong. Neil But no Amercian artist could have played an English VHS. That was even harder than playing an English DVD.
Guest Bogue Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 The reason why every fibre of my being tells me that you are NOT right here, is that most of these artists never got to perform their Northern Soul classics for us. Many have died since it was filmed. All the rest are already ten years older. I don't think it could ever be done again. If you only wanted to see the artists when they were young, then many would have died without ever being seen at all. Similarly, when I try to bring the Northern Soul sound to young artists, to capture the sound with people who look like the artists did back in the Sixties - Tammi Lavette, Vanessa Haynes, Tahira Jumah, Winston Ward, Verna Francis, Jennifer Dee, Shenton Dixon, Marvin Cotterell, Gerod Harris, then instead of appreciating what I'm doing, people block it and refuse to accept its credibility, even if I am trying to do what they secretly deep down inside would enjoy. As a test, try to watch the Vanessa Haynes video above with a REALLY open mind, forget for a second when it was recorded, and, if you're all too quick to discriminate against a performance because the artist looks too old, then surely something like this would appeal to you MORE rather than LESS. I don't feel good thinking it but unfortunately that's how it felt for me. I do understand what you say about never seeing them perform & I guess that that tragedy is akin to them not getting the records in the charts at the time. So I applaud your ethics & reasons for doing it but it still just didn't feel right for me. In contrast I bought a set of the 'The Beat' DVD's & I was just blown away by it ! Even though it's obvious some of them were lip syncing, the vibrancy & feel of the time is all there. Re the Venessa Haynes, I'm stuck on that one, I've got a PC problem & all i get is the Quicktime logo with a question mark through it. I've tried downloading Quicktime again but it keeps getting blocked. Anyone any ideas ?? I will make an effort to view them when I sort this problem Don't hold your breath on a positive reply though if it's a modern thing, I didn't like what I heard of Northern Soul 2008 & I have admitted to being a 60's Neanderthal It's just a personal taste thing & not personal.
chrissie Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 Do you live with your mum? and as addition to Donna's question, how would you react if someone elbowed your mother out of the way because she was being a tad annoying..................I know exactly how my son would react if it was me and he is a total pacifist. QoFxx
Ady Potts Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 Oh Ady, you're so so so witty. I'm so so so so so sorry it's not the only known copy on Brut records, and worth at least two thousand quid. but the intro does sound like the start of Tubby the Tuba, , honest.
Guest Bogue Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 A bit like all those old people who go out to soul nights at weekends and dance round like headless chickens thinking they are still 17, you mean Going to adopt a new stance in future at soul nights from now on, get myself a stool at the bar, G & T in hand and look amusingly down my nose at the young folks strutting there stuff...................trouble is if we all did this we would all be playing to empty dance floors..............I know I do anyway but I make up for it behind the decks doing headless chicken impressions, in fact when I am behind the decks I am usually the ONLY one dancing, just ask Steve G QoFxx That's it I'm already at that point & as I said the future for us is posher venues with smaller dance floors, no stairs (you will understand that one more now ) & a defibrillator plugged in by the decks ! And I wonder if that could be the reason we all want to be DJ's.... as the Soul Police keep reminding us on here every bloody week ?
Guest Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 but the intro does sound like the start of Tubby the Tuba, , honest. The intro of Vanessa Haynes ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Guest Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 Do you live with your mum? She lives in Miami, and I saw her in July for the first time in two years.
Ady Potts Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 The intro of Vanessa Haynes ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Yes Ian, very nice
Guest Paul Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 Ady is probably too tactful to point this out, but he was talking about our release on VHS tape some time years before the DVD release by Wienerworld. Each VHS package cost us a fortune - much more, ironically, than it would be now for the same number of DVDs which give better reproduction. We were all exhausted at the time from getting SWONS out but we could and should have supplied copies of their particular video for artists who asked. We did supply some, but others slipped through the net and that was wrong. NeilHello Neil, I wasn't sure which issue of SWONS Ady was referring to but the same thing applies to both. You're to be admired for accepting it was wrong that some slipped through the net but it would have been an enormous task to make and supply a 'screener' copy to each and every participant. Best regards, Paul Mooney
chrissie Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 That's it I'm already at that point & as I said the future for us is posher venues with smaller dance floors, no stairs (you will understand that one more now ) & a defibrillator plugged in by the decks ! And I wonder if that could be the reason we all want to be DJ's.... as the Soul Police keep reminding us on here every bloody week ? Ahhhhhhhhh but Mamsey Pamsey is really an early doors, while everyone is stood round slapping each other on the back, heartfelt sort of soul rather than the hit the floor 100mph thing. As I always point out, I am not a DJ, can't afford it, don't want to be one, don't need the pressure. I am the sad old bird that plays the background music early on cos no one else wants the early set, and I like it that way QoFxx
Prophonics 2029 Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 (edited) Hello Neil, I wasn't sure which issue of SWONS Ady was referring to but the same thing applies to both. You're to be admired for accepting it was wrong that some slipped through the net but it would have been an enormous task to make and supply a 'screener' copy to each and every participant. Best regards, Paul Mooney That's dreadful you have tracked these people down, filmed them for nothing and they haven't seen or even have had to pay for a copy and know 10 years on you say Oh! a bit sorry. And you are still saying you are not gonna give every artist copy 10 years on. I would fook you right off. Your just as bad as the grave diggers after the box of records the artist has in the attic. How much can a video cost 10 years ago £1.00 each or £2.00 each and CD are what 0.04 p each to make. Edited September 5, 2008 by Prophonics 2029
Guest Paul Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 That's dreadful you have tracked these people down, filmed them for nothing and they haven't seen or even have had to pay for a copy and know 10 years on you say Oh! a bit sorry. And you are still saying you are not gonna give every artist copy 10 years on. I would fook you right off. Your just as bad as the grave diggers after the box of records the artist has in the attic.Hello Prophonics, I think it was very honest of Neil to accept it was wrong that some slipped through the net. It was a huge task and they also had problems with international formats. Best regards, Paul Mooney
Missing Link Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 I know this is not a fair thing to say, but personally I think being a performing musical artist in any genre is a young persons game & it never looks right seeing old artists perform, I would rather then just listen at this point in their career. My other gripe was the reworking of the existing songs of these artists, I think it might have been better to have split SWON's away from this totally. i.e. Just have the original backing tracks & then maybe a separate DVD included in the package which showcased the artists new material along with it ? These are just my personal opinions & I'm not saying I'm right In an ideal world there would be existing footage from the 60s,70s and beyond of all our favourite singers singing the Northern Soul 'monsters' but it has to be remembered that film and videotape were very expensive (particularly in the '60s - hence the wiping of many BBC television series including early Dr Who) and most of the singers were not 'stars' so extremely unlikely to ever appear on film. We are so used to the fact that anyone can now make films in the 'You Tube' generation with a camcorder which costs very little but back then this was not possible so Ian decided to do the next best thing and film as many Northern Soul singers as he possibly could. For this alone he deserves to be congratulated not scorned. The tape/ DVD is a very valuable document of Northern Soul music. I'm sure if footage had existed then he would have sought it out and compiled a documentary. I found a lot of the SWONS tape quite hard to watch because of the 'gimmicky' and very distracting effects and am therefore looking forward to seeing the new edits - the 'You Tube' clips have been very good. As far as the re-recordings go - would not the original recordings have sounded similar if they had had the same recording equipment as now? The implications of copyright have already been explained so no matter how much it would be desirable to have the original recordings it was not possible.
Epic Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 Tune I like which is hidden away on an old Barbara Pennington (United Artists) album is "Spend A Little Time With Me" - I am surprised you haven't revisited that track more recently with the new artists you have worked with.
Prophonics 2029 Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 As far as the re-recordings go - would not the original recordings have sounded similar if they had had the same recording equipment as now There is nothing wrong with the original recordings they are fine, some have master tapes that sound even better than a record can sound.
Prophonics 2029 Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 (edited) Hello Prophonics, I think it was very honest of Neil to accept it was wrong that some slipped through the net. It was a huge task and they also had problems with international formats. Best regards, Paul Mooney Hey Paul you could buy a video recorded from the States and dubbed a few copies on your own back, I have Vietnamese bootleggers every day with video and now DVD copies of the latest film for a few quid. I really can't see any excuses for this at all, even to have asked the artist what he or she had thought of the finished work. Edited September 5, 2008 by Prophonics 2029
Neil Rushton Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 That's dreadful you have tracked these people down, filmed them for nothing and they haven't seen or had to pay for a copy and know 10 years on you say Oh a bit sorry. And you are still saying you are not gonna give every artist copy 10 years on. I fook you right off. Your just as bad as the grave diggers after the box of records the artist has in the attic. No, I am not "still saying" I wont give any artist a copy. Where did you get that from? And how do you justify the sarcasm of putting words in my mouth of saying I am "a bit sorry"?.. What I said was that some of the artists who asked for copies got them and some slipped through the net. Anyone who asked me got them. I never ever charged any artist for a copy. And I know Ian supplied copies to artists free to. What happened was that at the time of the release a few of the artists who asked for copies did not get them. most who asked for copies did. Some of the artists got copies and then realised they could not play them on their video recoders in the USA. Looking back what we shoud have done at the time was set up a system where all the artists automatically got a USA friendly copy of their video, not the UK Box Set. We did not do so but in the main if someone asked for a copy of course they got one with our thanks. Here's another way of putting it, like you say it's dreadful, we tracked these people down, they were delighted to be asked to relive being recording artists (just ask Chris Lalor who did some of the filming) and we spent over £100k (a lot of which has not come back) because we wanted to make an historical document, we generated money for the songwriters most of the artists who asked for copies got them and a few didn't. And you decide from whatever Rare Soul snobbish ivory tower you live in that allows you to tell me to fook off? In my career i reckon I have generated and paid well over £2 million in royalties to artists and songwriters, never mind what I have earned for writers and artists I have managed. How much have you earned for them? And are John Manship and John Anderson grave diggers for finding box of records?
Prophonics 2029 Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 I have just looked for a copy of SWONS on Ebay, and nothing no wonder you have made no money and now its all remixed and re-packaged to go out again so how far are the artist of getting any money back-back to square one.
Neil Rushton Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 . How much can a video cost 10 years ago £1.00 each or £2.00 each and CD are what 0.04 p each to make.
Prophonics 2029 Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 (edited) No, I am not "still saying" I wont give any artist a copy. Where did you get that from? And how do you justify the sarcasm of putting words in my mouth of saying I am "a bit sorry"?.. What I said was that some of the artists who asked for copies got them and some slipped through the net. Anyone who asked me got them. I never ever charged any artist for a copy. And I know Ian supplied copies to artists free to. What happened was that at the time of the release a few of the artists who asked for copies did not get them. most who asked for copies did. Some of the artists got copies and then realised they could not play them on their video recoders in the USA. Looking back what we shoud have done at the time was set up a system where all the artists automatically got a USA friendly copy of their video, not the UK Box Set. We did not do so but in the main if someone asked for a copy of course they got one with our thanks. Here's another way of putting it, like you say it's dreadful, we tracked these people down, they were delighted to be asked to relive being recording artists (just ask Chris Lalor who did some of the filming) and we spent over £100k (a lot of which has not come back) because we wanted to make an historical document, we generated money for the songwriters most of the artists who asked for copies got them and a few didn't. And you decide from whatever Rare Soul snobbish ivory tower you live in that allows you to tell me to fook off? In my career i reckon I have generated and paid well over £2 million in royalties to artists and songwriters, never mind what I have earned for writers and artists I have managed. How much have you earned for them? And are John Manship and John Anderson grave diggers for finding box of records? I am sorry to say I am not being sarcastic but deadly serious, I work for many people I give them my word my promise that's my ivory tower, 2Mill all I hear on this thread is how you have all lost money and made no profit so no payment has gone out to the artists I don't know your business mate but from what's been posted up we can only form one conclusion. If somebody knocked on my door after 40 years after I had recorded a song asking to film me and then nothing not even to see the finished work to see how I look that's where I would tell you to get off, at the next stop. John Manship and John Anderson don't bring these two into the equation to belittle my reply you know what I mean. Edited September 6, 2008 by Prophonics 2029
moodysoul1 Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 I think I can confidently say that I am the only person on this thread who hates this record, everyone else when they talk about IL productions state this as being amongst the best. Except me. no your not its crap!
Neil Rushton Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 I have just looked for a copy of SWONS on Ebay, and nothing no wonder you have made no money and now its all remixed and re-packaged to go out again so how far are the artist of getting any money back-back to square one. If you want to buy a copy of SWONS you can stiill get one from Wienerworld. What has Ebay got to do with anything? The new release is not something I am directly involved in, but what are you on about.......the previous releases would have recouped x amount of the costs, the new release if it sells will recoup more, and the more that is recouped the more closer you are to break even when there will be a profit to split. What are you on about "the artist getting money back"? The artsits didn't lay out any money to get back - we did.The songwriters - who in some cases are the same people as the recording atists - have been paid on every copy sold, including our VHS release. If you want to check go the MCPS.
Guest Bogue Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 In an ideal world there would be existing footage from the 60s,70s and beyond of all our favourite singers singing the Northern Soul 'monsters' but it has to be remembered that film and videotape were very expensive (particularly in the '60s - hence the wiping of many BBC television series including early Dr Who) and most of the singers were not 'stars' so extremely unlikely to ever appear on film. We are so used to the fact that anyone can now make films in the 'You Tube' generation with a camcorder which costs very little but back then this was not possible so Ian decided to do the next best thing and film as many Northern Soul singers as he possibly could. For this alone he deserves to be congratulated not scorned. The tape/ DVD is a very valuable document of Northern Soul music. I'm sure if footage had existed then he would have sought it out and compiled a documentary. I found a lot of the SWONS tape quite hard to watch because of the 'gimmicky' and very distracting effects and am therefore looking forward to seeing the new edits - the 'You Tube' clips have been very good. As far as the re-recordings go - would not the original recordings have sounded similar if they had had the same recording equipment as now? The implications of copyright have already been explained so no matter how much it would be desirable to have the original recordings it was not possible. Very true & I hope you don't see my post as being scornful to him, it was just my opinion of how it felt watching it for me,& I wondered if that may have been the same for others & or whether it may have been one of the reasons for poor sales ? I have said more than once that I feel his intentions & ethics were true. Let's remember here I splashed out a good bit of money for the DVD set, & I did that full of hope of it being something special, not as a purchase to criticize, but it just didn't work for me because of the reasons I've stated. Yes the songs may have sounded the same if recorded on todays equipment.... but that's the whole point..they don't.. that is why they are magic & why people, like IL, find it so difficult to authentically recreate it. I know music shouldn't be judged by how someone looks.... but I'm not doing that IMO.. with a record it doesn't matter, I enjoy listening. But with a performance live or on film the visual aspects do come into it. Try this extreme comparison.... Don Bradman is thought by many to be the finest batsman ever but very little footage exists of him in his prime...would it have done his mystique & reputation any good by bringing him back to play after he had retired when recording equipment was more freely available ? Would it have spoiled the memories of those who saw him in his prime & would it have made those who hadn't seen him think he was as good as they had heard ? I'm just muting the question not condemning.
Prophonics 2029 Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 If you want to buy a copy of SWONS you can stiill get one from Wienerworld. What has Ebay got to do with anything? The new release is not something I am directly involved in, but what are you on about.......the previous releases would have recouped x amount of the costs, the new release if it sells will recoup more, and the more that is recouped the more closer you are to break even when there will be a profit to split. What are you on about "the artist getting money back"? The artsits didn't lay out any money to get back - we did.The songwriters - who in some cases are the same people as the recording atists - have been paid on every copy sold, including our VHS release. If you want to check go the MCPS. I read that Ebay is a world market and if it was my product instead of posting witty reply's to a potential customer I would be putting my stock on ebay for the world to buy a copy dig!
Guest Paul Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 Hey Paul you could buy a video recorded from the States and dubbed a few copies on your own back, I have Vietnamese bootleggers every day with video and now DVD copies of the latest film for a few quid. I really can't see any excuses for this at all, even to have asked the artist what he or she had thought of the finished work. Not sure I understand your point. I wasn't involved with SWONS, I was just saying what a big task it was for Neil or Ian or whoever to ensure than each and every artist got a copy of their performance or copies of the entire documentary in different formats. Neil has been honest enough to admit that some artists slipped through the net at the time. You seem to think it would have been a very cheap and easy task. Best regards, Paul Mooney
Prophonics 2029 Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 As I say mate if you read through what's been said this is the only conclusion one can come up with, I don't care to what to know your business but when its bandied about on the internet one can't help but see there are problems from the top.
Prophonics 2029 Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 (edited) Not sure I understand your point. I wasn't involved with SWONS, I was just saying what a big task it was for Neil or Ian or whoever to ensure than each and every artist got a copy of their performance or copies of the entire documentary in different formats. Neil has been honest enough to admit that some artists slipped through the net at the time. You seem to think it would have been a very cheap and easy task. Best regards, Paul Mooney You seem to think it would have been a very cheap and easy task. You said it not me I don't wish to know your business or if it was mine company see discussed on the internet. You seem to be contradicting your self now. Move on mate do you know any thing about the Mecca to tell us. Edited September 5, 2008 by Prophonics 2029
Neil Rushton Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 I am sorry to say I am not being sarcastic but deadly serious, I work for many people I give them my word my promise that's my ivory tower, 2Mill all I hear on this thread is how you have all lost money and maid no profit so no payment has gone out to the artists I don't know your business mate but from what's been posted up we can only form one conclusion. What are you on about "so no payment has gone out"? I will say it one more time - royalty payments HAVE BEEN PAID to the songwriters. In some cases the songwriters are also the artists, in some cases they are not. Ian put most of the money in to SWONS and by making the decision to make it so ambitious with 131 artists it meant he accepted he would be unlikely to ever make a profit. That was not bad or good business, rather he thought he would invest in something he believed in and if it did not make a profit that would be one of those things. The artists were never ever misled and told to expect to earn anything from SWONS, but we did the right thing and they were given a contract that if it did make a profit then 50% of that profit would be split pro-rata between them. How can you have a problem with that?
Prophonics 2029 Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 (edited) It sound like a very big IF to get to your 50o/o figure. As I say over this thread stuff has been said and it could be that in anger some key points may have been missed out. Edited September 5, 2008 by Prophonics 2029
Neil Rushton Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 I read that Ebay is a world market and if it was my product instead of posting witty reply's to a potential customer I would be putting my stock on ebay for the world to buy a copy dig! I haven't got any stock. SWONS DVD is released by Wienerworld not me and they have got an efficient distribution system for UK and overseas. The VHS we released is long deleted.
Prophonics 2029 Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 I haven't got any stock. SWONS DVD is released by Wienerworld not me and they have got an efficient distribution system for UK and overseas. The VHS we released is long deleted. Explains it then and no second hand copies as well.
Guest Paul Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 You seem to think it would have been a very cheap and easy task. You said it not me I don't wish to know your business or if it was mine company see discussed on the internet. You seem to be contradicting your self now. Move on mate do you know any thing about the Mecca to tell us. I haven't contradicted myself at all. If anything, I'm in danger of repeating myself but I don't think you've understood what I've been trying to say. Paul Mooney
Guest Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 You're to be admired for accepting it was wrong that some slipped through the net but it would have been an enormous task to make and supply a 'screener' copy to each and every participant. More to the point, it would have been unrealistic.
Neil Rushton Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 It sound like a very big IF. You must be a Thatcherite who believes everything has to be profit driven and nothing else is important?. Why are you focusing on the artists getting a share of the profit for their performances when as I have tried to explain once the decision was taken to make the project so ambitious there never ever was likely to be a profit - it had become, whether you like it or not, a labour of love. The artists did not do it because they were promised money, they wanted to be remembered and their performances preserved for posterity. But one of the on going costs were royalties earned by the songwriters for every sale and these have been paid.
Guest Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 That's dreadful you have tracked these people down, filmed them for nothing and they haven't seen or even have had to pay for a copy and know 10 years on you say Oh! a bit sorry. And you are still saying you are not gonna give every artist copy 10 years on. I would fook you right off. Your just as bad as the grave diggers after the box of records the artist has in the attic. How much can a video cost 10 years ago £1.00 each or £2.00 each and CD are what 0.04 p each to make. You're talking utter bollocks. I have already explained that US artists cannot play a UK video tape or a UK DVD. Plus we licensed the stuff to Wienerworld and each set is very expensive and I had twenty copies to go round, which included video editors who worked on every single track, and promotional copies for magazine review. Your post shows a misjudgement on your part. We did more than our best and I think we deserve support not criticism.
Guest Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 CD are what 0.04 p each to make. In what universe ?? Bizarro World ???????
Guest Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 (particularly in the '60s - hence the wiping of many BBC television series including early Dr Who) 108 classic episodes , lost forever.
Guest Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 Tune I like which is hidden away on an old Barbara Pennington (United Artists) album is "Spend A Little Time With Me" - I am surprised you haven't revisited that track more recently with the new artists you have worked with. "All Time Loser" was even better.
Guest Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 There is nothing wrong with the original recordings they are fine, some have master tapes that sound even better than a record can sound. Yes and they would have collectively cost so much money to have legally acquired the rights to so many songs, that the project could never have been made without being funded as a charity by Donald Trump. It was never going to make any money anyway, but at least it got made. Another hundred thousand pounds just to licence the rights would have crippled a millionaire. Not to mention record labels only grant three year licenses, so they would all have run out anyway. I wish people would examine the business side of acquiring records before they make comments such as this.
Guest Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 Hey Paul you could buy a video recorded from the States and dubbed a few copies on your own back, I have Vietnamese bootleggers every day with video and now DVD copies of the latest film for a few quid. I really can't see any excuses for this at all, even to have asked the artist what he or she had thought of the finished work. What ?? WHAT ????? if a video is UK system PAL, which is 625 lines and 50 cycles per second, how is it supposed to convert to US system NTSC, which is 525 lines and 60 cycles per second ?? Back then, a standards conversion machine costed three million quid.
Guest Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 And you decide from whatever Rare Soul snobbish ivory tower you live in that allows you to tell me to fook off? That's the Neil I love. HE'S BACK.
Guest Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 I have just looked for a copy of SWONS on Ebay, and nothing no wonder you have made no money and now its all remixed and re-packaged to go out again so how far are the artist of getting any money back-back to square one. A long long long long long long long way. I have sixty six thousand pounds in unrecouped costs still to recover, which is still part of my mortgage, which is about to shoot up in November when the fixed rate runs out, so I have probably now doubled the amount over the last ten years in compound interest that I borrowed to make the bloody thing in the first place. I'm not sure I like your preaching.
Guest Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 all I hear on this thread is how you have all lost money and maid no profit so no payment has gone out to the artists I don't know your business mate but from what's been posted up we can only form one conclusion. If somebody knocked on my door after 40 years after I had recorded a song asking to film me and then nothing not even to see the finished work to see how I look that's where I would tell you to get off, at the next stop. The artists got exposure, which led to live gigs, and trips to England, and Kev Roberts' US Soul Trips, and all sorts of benefits, including exposure now on YouTube, which gets them more live gigs, as many have thanked me recently. I'm getting a little tired of justifying myself. It's starting to feel like the Spanish Inquisition
Prophonics 2029 Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 I haven't contradicted myself at all. If anything, I'm in danger of repeating myself but I don't think you've understood what I've been trying to say. Paul Mooney I have been away reading the back pages I still don't think its clear.
Guest Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 If you want to buy a copy of SWONS you can stiill get one from Wienerworld. What has Ebay got to do with anything? The new release is not something I am directly involved in, but what are you on about.......the previous releases would have recouped x amount of the costs, the new release if it sells will recoup more, and the more that is recouped the more closer you are to break even when there will be a profit to split. What are you on about "the artist getting money back"? The artsits didn't lay out any money to get back - we did.The songwriters - who in some cases are the same people as the recording atists - have been paid on every copy sold, including our VHS release. If you want to check go the MCPS. Paul Mooney already helped us prove this point. But sometimes, no matter how patiently you try, you just can't reason with some people. Kev Roberts tried, but in the end told them what he thought of them. I am equally tempted to, but if I do, and get banned, I will no longer have the right of reply that I craved for years, to not have to read such utter bilge garbage crap bullshit and have to put up with it without a chance to answer back, and at least TRY to make some poor deluded misguided fool see the error of their ways.
Prophonics 2029 Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 More to the point, it would have been unrealistic. I am sure you would like to see how you looked before a video was put on Release.
Prophonics 2029 Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 Yes and they would have collectively cost so much money to have legally acquired the rights to so many songs, that the project could never have been made without being funded as a charity by Donald Trump. It was never going to make any money anyway, but at least it got made. Another hundred thousand pounds just to licence the rights would have crippled a millionaire. Not to mention record labels only grant three year licenses, so they would all have run out anyway. I wish people would examine the business side of acquiring records before they make comments such as this. So its not the same for video as when a record is dubbed from a disc or from a master tape for a CD Release.
Guest Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 Let's remember here I splashed out a good bit of money for the DVD set, & I did that full of hope of it being something special, not as a purchase to criticize, but it just didn't work for me because of the reasons I've stated. The new set will be much better as far as all the videos look. But it is not and never will be emant to replace SWONS. It is meant to complement it. SWONS has 400 interviews with everyone from Tony Cummings and Dave Godin, to Adi Croasdell and Mark Bicknell. The new 200 video box set is just a greatest hits song package all remade to look wonderful and fresh and new. People should have both, not one at the expense of the other. SWONS has Roger Eagle, Tony Petherbridge, Alan Smith, Dave Godin, Martyn Ellis, all giving fascinating interviews, and they've all gone now too.
Prophonics 2029 Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 What ?? WHAT ????? if a video is UK system PAL, which is 625 lines and 50 cycles per second, how is it supposed to convert to US system NTSC, which is 525 lines and 60 cycles per second ?? Back then, a standards conversion machine costed three million quid. So its not possible to get a UK & USA recorders and plug them in to do a few home tapes.
Guest Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 As I say mate if you read through what's been said this is the only conclusion one can come up with, I don't care to what to know your business but when its bandied about on the internet one can't help but see there are problems from the top. The more you spout, the deeper your hole gets, as you clearly haven't grasped the reality of making a project like this. If you don't like the way we did it, then you go off and do better, and then come back and compare notes.
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